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His track speed definitely doesn't translate to football speed IMO
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# | Northwestern Football Players Take Steps to Be Represented by Union San Diego
It isn't going to get any better. Unless, there is another guard he is going to bring in, they are done with that class. They aren't going to get a forward in this class, which makes sense, since guard is the spot that has no depth right now.
No D in Rogers and all that...
I get what you are saying.
I'm all for allowing student athletes who aren't on a free-ride to find part-time jobs.
I most definitely am not for student athletes, amateurs, being paid to play.
I like the tradition and (relative) purity of amateur athletics in the U.S.
maybe someone inverted their supply/demand curve.
Hey, now all we need to do is draft LT3 in the 3rd round and a couple years down the road we might see a replay of "The Catch" to win Super Bowl L, and hopefully this time the refs get it right...
Fantastic news! Not a Steelers fan, but I'll root for Coale in any jersey.
Maybe you need to take a minute and chill out. You're the one making sweeping negative statements about athletes. He has every right to be offended.
I agree with your point to, I have no problem with the NCAA making money off of me being a basketball player but when they profit from my name or my athletic performance and I get nothing, I have a problem with that.
It's exactly like what bar1990 said - If I'm on an academic scholarship for Computer Science, and I write an app in my free time, the institution who funded my education isn't going to limit my income, why would it be different for athletes?
We don't have to be athlete's but we do it because we love it, we are competitive in an athletic way
USC - Reggie Bush. Allowed to live in a mansion rent free to attend USC.
COOL, DC belongs in NFL and as we ALL know it was a catch!
Technically I agree... I was speaking of revenues, not profits.
All things being equal, I think the NCAA is a ridiculously bloated and mostly irrelevant entity. It is the UN of College athletics, big on talk, big on relatively toothless "sanctions", and in the end, a bunch of self-absorbed bureaucrats whose only marketable asset is Finding Ways To Waste Time While Looking Important.
But the fact is that I'd go out on a limb and say that only 10% of all student athlete's have 100% full scholarships. And not every big basketball or football team is fully funded with the (89 for football and 8 for basketball) or whatever full scholarships. Also schools don't give out a lot of full rides because they need to divvy up the $ to stay relevent/good at a sport.
But the 90% of athlete's that get 3k or less the NCAA tells them hey you can't work and make $ to pay for everyday things or else its called an improper benefit. The NCAA needs to do one thing or the other not both. Like I stated earlier if they let us work summer jobs and get paid I'm sure that would help.
I agree with you regarding Coach Wolfe and his being able to handle the coaching better than JJ by far. He has brought it some significant talent and was dealing with a total rebuild of his roster.
While I disagree with points 1-3, you pose legitimate arguments. Not be disrespectful, but argument 4 is flat out wrong.
[Having a job] not only negatively impacts the preparation for the intern-level job you are supposed to be undertaking while a student that the university compensates you for, it also impacts your abilities to be a student
The whole point of college is to train for a profession. On-the-job experience is the best thing you can add to your resume. By preventing an athlete from getting a legitimate internship, you are directly countering the entire purpose of a college career, and could be costing the student athlete tens of thousands of dollars (that is not an exaggeration - look at the difference in starting salaries between students with internship experience vs. without - there's a big difference between a $45k starting salary and a $65k starting salary).
Another scenario: What if a player has kids, siblings or a family to support? Do they have to live off the athlete's stipend too? Are they supposed to just coast until the athlete graduates with a degree and gets a job?
Yet another scenario: If a player can maintain success in the classroom and on the football field, why not give him the opportunity to undertake a more responsibility? That's what happens in all other aspects of academic and professional life - if you succeed in one situation, you are give the option to take on more responsibility.
[A job] also introduces numerous possibilities for various violations to occur with boosters giving incredibly inflated paychecks for little to no work done.
This is absolutely a complication, and IMO the only legitimate reason for limiting athletes on the free market. The NCAA is a mess, they need rewrite the rule book, simplify it, add measurable, consistent punishment procedures, and AFTER doing all that, the should search for legitimate ways to allow athletes to explore the free market.
These kids have it VERY good in college right now, and the mindset that they don't have it good enough because they don't like the rules in place are just head shakingly stupid.
They do have it good, but why should they settle for good? Coaches, fans, and players won't settle for anything but the best on the field, why should the players settle in their professional life?
Another question - If I'm on an academic scholarship for Computer Science, and I write an app in my free time, the institution who funded my education isn't going to limit my income, why would it be different for athletes?
I'm of the belief that it's wrong for a governing body to limit an individual's earning power. If I'm a college tennis player, why can't I run a tennis camp for kids during the off season? If I'm a computer science major who runs track, why can't I create and charge for an iphone app? I understand the complications with boosters and preventing a competitive advantage, but the NCAA needs to find a way to allow athletes to enter the free market.
***DISCLAIMER: much of my argument surrounds the fact that student athlete in question actually goes to school with the intent of getting an education.
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# | Northwestern Football Players Take Steps to Be Represented by Union Technically the NCAA should make zero....they should bring in enough to cover costs and hold an operational reserve as a non profit organization.
The calls are already happening to try to increase stipends and the smaller schools are consistently voting it down, its also what is leading to talks of the power 5 conferences breaking off to form a higher level of NCAA sports.
My bigger problem here is the discrepancy between SCHOLARSHIP Athletes and Non Scholarship Athletes. All of these conversations have been lumping them into one pool but the rules from the NCAA generally apply to both regardless of financial package and the Incredible Packages you refer to only apply to one group. Non scholarship athletes make up a large portion of the total athlete pool in the NCAA and many of these athletes have to scrape by to make it through school. This kind of stipend would go a long way to helping these athletes as they progress through their athletic careers.
I honestly could see a huge uproar in the next 2-3 years and college sports could be going out the door.
So it doesn't occur to you that those scholarships could simply be revoked and given to students eager to represent their Institutions on the field and, oh yeah, BONUS, get their education for free?
I get your point but do you really think a booster would pay 50k just for a kid to go to school and play sports?
I think there is no real right or wrong answer with this topic.
If you ask any collegiate athlete if they feel like they deserved to be paid a stipend (1-3k a year) for their help in bringing in billions of dollars to the NCAA and millions of dollars for their school they would say yes. Especially since the NCAA and schools "market" and use their names to earn that $
And what specific reason would we fire Wolfe for? Just because he is a leftover? He has turned around the program from where Dunkenberger was taking it. He has brought some quality youth that will lead this team for the next couple years. He has shown he has connections to be able to get ACC level players to Blacksburg. The current bad stretch is on the players not making the plays, not on his coaching.
And as crazy as it sounds, he inquired about Seth being fired the year previous to it happening. Had Seth been let go a year earlier, it is likely Coach Wolfe would be in charge of the Men's team instead of the Women's. And personally, I think he'd be a heck of a men's coach as his coaching style would resonate more with the guys than it does some of the girls.
Yup, lots of little gimmicks.
half court shots for a student to possibly win $1000 tuition, winning tickets based on a page in your program, Special reserved seating for one season ticket holder a game, kids spin on a wiffle ball bat and then have to hit three free throws first to do it wins a $X to concessions
But the NCAA makes billions of dollars off of so called "Amateurs"
So what?
Should the NCAA make less? Should they make zero? For every 1 whose likeness generates revenue, how many do not but still receive all the benefits their free-ride provides?
Your problem seems to be other people's money.
If you don't like that the NCAA and the University is making all this cash that helps support a lot of non-rev athletics, you should be arguing for the NCAA and the University to stop using specific athlete's likenesses for generating revenues.
Instead, you are arguing that athletes should be getting better compensation on top of the incredible packages they already enjoy, relative to the average student.
And you ignore that whole camel's nose under the tent-flap aspect of all this: Once you start paying student athletes, you can be sure that every year will come calls to increase the stipend.
Very little good can come from paying student athletes, and a whole heap of bad will almost certainly occur if we start.
URI which is a much smaller school has local businesses sponsor break t-shirt tosses, etc during every TV timeout/break. Get the local elementary schools playing during half time, etc.
Student athletes are allowed to work summer jobs, with much less restrictions than full-time jobs during the school year. During the school year, you are limited to 10 hours per week, but you could theoretically work a full-time internship during the summer, provided that you can show you didn't get it because of your status as an athlete.