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I'm not trying to argue that Seth should have been given another year. In fact, I was surprised as the days passed after the end of the season that we didn't hear about him being canned.
I guess my main argument was that, given the choices of either giving him another year or firing him in mid-April, you should give him another year. Since we didn't fire him in March, even if we were losing a couple players and coaches, it would have cost much less in terms of damage to the program to hang onto Seth for another year than to bring in the "best available option" so late in the offseason.
That's Knowles right?
Ford is a possession guy as is cam Phillips. Harrison is the faster of the WRs im just saying hes not one of the faster guys in the country.
Teamwork online.com and tell me how many internships are paid. I also had an internship with the Cleveland Browns and it was unpaid. Most internships are for class credit.
It was exciting because VT could hang with and beat up on better teams. Every game was winnable - Maryland - Eastern Shore - #1 Duke/NC/Wake Forest. That made every game worth watching
Deron Washington didn't hurt either.
I don't think a single starter ever skipped town on Seth... Maybe Finney-Smith, but he was a complex case.
BBall players transfer all the time when they realize they will never leave the bench. Thorns, Garland, and Boggs couldn't hang in the ACC - it's that simple.
Atkins was a great shooter and would have probably started on a thin team had he stayed. His D left something to be desired and that was a big part of why he didnt get big minutes as a fresh/soph.
Actually, 10 hr/wk at $8/hr would be $80/wk, considering that with that income they'd be well below the personal exemption amount of about $5500. And even if they went over, the first tax bracket is up to $9k (post-deductions and exemptions), at 10%. If they somehow make more than 14k, their tax rate on any additional dollars is 15% up to $36k. There will be some state taxes, but those are a good bit less than federal, and there's also some SS and Medicare deductions, but overall it's nowhere near 25% unless you're making a bit above the poverty line.
I know $80/wk isn't much, but that's about $350 per month, which amounts to $1400 per semester. That is about in line with the stipends that they always ask for.
Also, can you provide a source to your 90% value? That just seems very high.
i wouldn't call the product exciting. watching his brand of offense was painful even in victories.
3 parts to this:
- i don't want to completely trash him. he did yeoman's work raising the profile of the program, but his time had come and gone
- how and when it was done was extremely poor
- if jj isn't the right guy, that's a poor hire, but that doesn't mean seth should have stayed
I keep thinking, yes, he was thrown into an awful situation with little chance to succeed.
I also keep thinking, I have not seen any improvement since he became head coach.
So...my point being...it IS possible to know after 2 seasons that he is not the answer and go ahead and fire him.
I know everyone says he is a nice guy and deserves another year, but honestly...I think we do have the right to do a Rob Chudzinski on him. If it ain't workin', it ain't workin'....go ahead and make the move Hokies if you feel he is not going to be the coach 2 years from now, why wait??
Virginia Tech has more national titles than UVA had fans at their spring game
Tickets are already "free" for students as it is. There is a lottery, and you can pick up your ticket from Cassell if you win. These days, you always win, because there's just no interest in going to the games.
And even beyond that, at least in years past, as soon as the game starts they would start letting students in the left side entrance if there were still empty seats, as long as you had your student ID. I'm not sure about this year, since I haven't been to a game, but I'd imagine it's the same way.
My point is, the students already don't have to pay to go, if they want to, which is why less than 400 are actually paying for season tickets. The problem is just that they don't want to go.
Aside from what happened between him and Weaver, I'll never really understand the position of the fans that said Seth had to go after the 2011-12.
It's so sad to see Cassell right now. It's like 2004-2011 never really happened. All that positive momentum was for s#!+
He may have had his faults, but he always wanted what was best for Virginia Tech. Seth engaged the students unlike any coach I've seen at VT in the last 10 years. For many seasons, the VT BBall product was as exciting and competitive as any other in the ACC.
Seth completely changed how VT BBall was perceived on a national level. The team and his television charisma brought real exposure to the program. He did all this without getting in trouble with the NCAA and without ever really embarrassing the university. He was a tireless worker and a winner. He made all those big-game football collapses somewhat bearable because he was the anti-Beamer against top 5 teams. (In his time at Virginia Tech, Greenberg was 3-3 against top-ranked teams, with all three losses coming on final possessions) Seriously, what more do you want?
2 losing seasons in 9 years playing in the Big East and ACC.
5 top 4 ACC finishes
Do the fans really understand how difficult it is to field a competitive team in bball in the middle of no-where?
The top-25 is almost all university's in big markets. Wichita State may be a cinderella, but its a cinderella playing in a town of 400,000 people. Football does fine with alums coming into town on the weekend, but you need real local support ($$$$) when playing multiple m-f games in bball.
You need a very special coach to overcome this. At one point we had that coach.
Buying a jersey now
Trust me, I'm well aware. Some of the guys that sit at press row saw him practicing before a game a couple weeks ago and didn't recognize him since they are use to seeing him in a suit. When I told him who it was, they came to the same conclusion that a lot of other people make, that he would be the starter this year had he been eligible. With him and Devin next year, PG is set, but SG still needs some depth since Adam has injury issues and Ben is interchangeable at the 3. So JJ getting the 3 recruits he is getting makes a lot of sense since Eddie will be gone and there is a need for depth as this season has shown.
Greenberg was pretty polarizing around campus up until he was fired. I know I was somewhat surprised that he wasn't fired at the conclusion of the season, but I was glad he was given another chance, and most of my friends felt the same way, but I did know people that were very glad he was gone.
I know my thoughts were, even though we lost a bunch of games that last year, the vast majority of them were close. We were always at least competitive under Greenberg, which was a HUGE improvement over the Stokes era, which I remember all too well.
When he finally was fired, it was a surprise, because I knew that we wouldn't be able to find anyone worth their salt as an ACC coach in mid-April. Yes, Greenberg probably should have been fired, especially in light of all the allegations made against his ability to play well with others. But I felt that by the time Weaver made the decision, it was the wrong one, as it would probably put our program back at least a couple years, as opposed to the one year it would take letting him stick around for another season. And look where we are now.
But now a days 90% of internships are unpaid. And 10 hours a week at 8 dollars an hour after taxes you could make 50 60 dollars a week. That's nothing to write home about
Anyone think it's extremely odd that Slye only made 4 field goals all year? I have no idea how many he attempted, but that seems like a minuscule number even for high school.
As a Steelers fan...this made my day
YESSSSSSSSS So excited about this! He IS the next Hines Ward! 
Well unless those students possessed the same level of talent and ability...I would find it hard to believe that financially it would make sense for institutions to continue providing those scholarships.
I would love the chance to suit up and play for VT, but I highly doubt anyone is going to pay to see me do it. And when you get down to it, thats what this is all about. Are you good enough that someone will pay to see you perform your craft?
And if the answer is yes, then I think everyone has the right to use what leverage they have to protect themselves now and in the future (be it from injury, cost of medical care, financial opportunities, etc)
Keep in mind that Mueller the german guard will be eligible next year after being forced to sit this year
Yeah, I think a booster would do just that. I mean look at SMU. Hundreds of thousands of dollars went through that "slush fund," and that was in the 80's. Eric Dickerson would've gone to Texas A&M, had he not received a brand new car payed for with booster money.
And yeah, if you ask anyone if they would like more money for whatever they're doing, I'm sure they would all say yes. I understand the argument, and like I said, the system in place is far from perfect, but I'm convinced paying athletes will cause a lot more problems than it will solve.
Sorry, but I had to downvote this. I respect your opinion and can see your arguments for a few of the points, but strongly disagree on point 4 and really have issue with this statement:
" free education to graduate debt free from an institution you have no business being associated with"
Seems to me you are taking the approach of lumping this entire argument into the context of athletes of "big revenue" sports, and then taking it a step further by implying that all of those athletes do not possess the ability to get into a school on their own merit, with or without athletic prowess. Seems to be a good deal condescending to a lot of athletes, not just the SIGNIFICANT percentage of NCAA scholarship athletes that will receive zero compensation from their sport of choice while in college and even less compensation from their sport of choice as a profession after graduation.
Playing NCAA level sports might be an "intern level" position for a select few that have the extraordinary talent to play at the next level. But its not if want to work in finance, or marketing, or HR or literally any other field after your college playing days are over. What is the problem with the being able to get experience or earn money legitimately while a scholarship athlete? God forbid some kid's lack of performance on the field doesn't line the coffers of the NCAA with quite as many dollars just because they have the skills to also become gainfully employed.

Knowles is pretty fast, but I really like polk. Kid is an absolute burner