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I was a student at Tech and never bought season tickets. I lined up and got tickets at a window. I also used my girlfriend's university athletics card. Am I a booster?
LOLUVA and havoc: You and me. We wouldn't do this. Crazy idiots like Nevin Shapiro and that guy that poisoned all the trees just might.
Buying a Ticket = legally binding contract: Where on my ticket does it say it is a legally binding contract? I have not signed my name to anyone contract nor have I read any terms. There is no contract when you buy a ticket.
Universities don't accept unlimited liability. In fact all universities have massive insurance policies and legal teams to protect themselves from claims of unlimited liability. They would fight any claim to the contrary.
And my point that university cannot control every single person that buys a ticket still holds. They cannot be held liable for the actions of all these people. Do you believe they can be? Then for example let's say Joe, a casual fan, buys a ticket and gets smashed in Bburg, then stupidly drives home and kills someone. In the wreckage the cops find a game ticket in the car. Is the university liable for his actions? Do they need to pay millions to the family of the deceased? No. because they cannot be held liable for the actions of the masses to which they have no hope or means to control. Just as if that same fan leaves the game and tweets a recruit: Come to VT and I'll get you laid. The university cannot be held liable for that because they have no control over that fan.
Schools, universities, and companies don't own Facebook, yet they use Facebook posts as reason to suspend or terminate student and employees.
That wasn't even the point of my original reply, but I went off on a tangent there. Point is, you would not associate with these kids in anyway if they were not prospective football players for Virginia Tech. Most of the tweets are most likely sent to make the kid feel liked or appreciated by the fan base done in an attempt to sway his decision to their school. All in all it's probably not a rule that will be enforced all the time, but one that exists just in case they need it.
....He said Scheme....
Our motto is "Publicity at any cost!"
the NCAA doesn't own Twitter. It's the property of a wholly separate incorporated entity. The NCAA can't use your casual tweets against you or against the university. The universities have no means in which to control anyone on twitter either and therefore will never accept liability for them.
They only way anyone gets penalized is if someone who has already signed under the NCAA tweets something. Such as a booster, coach or athlete. Any fan can tweet any recruit they want and the NCAA can't do anything about it.
Even if a casual fan (not a booster) were to tweet a recruit and say something dumb like: "hey, I'll give you 50k if you go to VT." Do you think the university will get in any trouble? The university cannot control everyone in the entire world on twitter. They have no right to stop you from saying what you want to another individual. The NCAA can do nothing. If the recruit accepts it from a casual fan then and only then can the NCAA do something, and that's against the recruit by barring them from playing.
I agree with the old adage "If you live by the three, you die by the three." For what little of Hokie basketball I have watched this year, it seems to be our mantra. I see so many guys out there kinda moving the ball around and then someone will just jack a three because we couldn't do anything else. I see very little motion on offense, especially against man-to-man, which is how to beat a man-to-man. So really, our misguided love of three-pointers (although we started off the year hot from behind the arc) is really a small part of a hapless offensive "scheme," which has been indicated in several instances in comments above.
One thing I will add is that I don't think it's time to call for JJ's head just yet. I will wait till next year. Last year was almost a wash because of the late, scattered nature of his hire. He needs at least two full, uninhibited seasons to really prove his value as a coach. To me, the current season is his first "real" season at Tech as HC.
Finally, I'd like to commend the TKP community for supporting all Hokie sports and the entire Hokie Nation, win or lose. We are certainly a passionate and knowledgeable fanbase when it comes to football, but I'm always glad to see people chiming in on basketball, softball, wrestling, or whatever. Cheers!
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It's not debatable according to the way the NCAA rules are worded.
I have always had trouble finding the actual bit in NCAA regulations, but if you search "(school name) booster" you'll likely find some document where that school details what qualifies you as a booster, and what you are and are not allowed to do, and all of the ones I've seen include "season tickets" in the qualification section.
the NCAA may want me to be labeled a booster but I've never signed any formal agreement with them that makes me liable to their rules.
Assuming you've never bought season tickets (either as a student or otherwise), then the NCAA does not label you a booster, and for the most part this whole conversation doesn't apply to you.
I can just buy tickets to LOLUVA and wreak havoc.
I said this as a joke in a different thread a couple weeks ago, but yes, by NCAA rules it is true. However, it is extremely unlikely that you'd attract any NCAA investigative attention towards the 'Hoos, and you'd be stuck with season tickets. An overall loss, in my book.
If you are not a booster but simply a football fan then buying a game ticket does not make you a booster, whereby if you contacted a recruit the university could be penalized.
I'm pretty sure I didn't say that, and I'm fairly certain that it's wrong. As long as you don't meet the definition put forward by the NCAA (which merely attending a game does not), then technically you are not violating any rules by tweeting a recruit.
First, because the university cannot hope to control every single person that buys a ticket.
If you buy a ticket through the ticket office, you have to sign a legally-binding agreement, and you could be held liable. The NCAA rules don't target anyone who only buys tickets through the second-hand market.
Secondly, because universities will not accept unlimited liability for everyone as defined by the NCAA's rule.
Actually, I bet they do, otherwise they wouldn't be members of the NCAA. Now, granted, that doesn't mean that if sanctions were to come down that the schools wouldn't be able to fight it and have a good chance to beat it, but that's not the point of my posts. Also, see my point above.
I hope I don't pee!
Just don't tweet him to tell him that...
I never "owned" a car with an 8-track player, but my dad's 1974 BMW 2002 with one was basically mine until I went to Tech. Sweet ride, 4-speed manual, leather interior. The only problem was you couldn't change the cassette with it in R, 1, or 3. Also the carburetor was crap so you couldn't actually let it idle, you had to give it a little bit of gas. Although now I consider that a feature since I can slip a clutch with the best of them.
Hypothetically...my new Twitter handle is "Wealthy_ClemsonBooster4Life"...
I just tweeted all their recruits and told them that the have inherited money from their wealthy great uncle who died with no heirs to claim the money...if they commit to Clemson they will receive 1 million bucks.
If the NCAA ever punished a team...JUST ONCE...it would open the floodgates of joke tweets, fake tweets, malicious tweets....the NCAA would be buried and overwhelmed.
This^^^^!
And Nantucket, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, Blackfoot, ACDC, The Outlaws,...
The list goes on and on!!
To put it planely. If any of these kids weren't playing football and there was a chance they'd go to VT would you be following or tweeting them? I'd venture to say no, you wouldn't. If you are tweeting them you are trying to get them to go to VT by showing how awesome and receptive the fan base is; you are trying to sway the decision of a student athlete to go to a certain school over another.
Sure it happens on campus all the time by students and visitors, but on twitter you're doing it in a very public and very documented medium. What you say to a kid while passing him on your way to class isn't very traceable, however trying the same thing on twitter leaves a nice trail of evidence.
Kinda nitpicking considering he included the word "perhaps" in the sentence.
Yeah, I trust the NCAA to develop (or even bid out) a secure website to collect enforcable LOI signatures. I'm sure no crazy fan would try and hack it to try and entrap prized recruits into going to their school. </sarcastica>
I do agree that faxing the letters are silly though. These days it would probably easier to scan and email them. I assume the original still needs to be forwarded on and could continue to be.
So If I bought UVA season tickets because I enjoyed watching them go 3-10....even thought I hate UVA...that makes me a booster? Season ticket purchase is debatable also.
These are the kind of things that are making me lean towards letting JJ go, the failure to identify advantages. He is good at adjustments on the defensive end (not always good on execution) as you see him switch from man and zone coverage based on what is going on but doesn't consistently adjust on the offensive side. I guess you have to run an actual offense first before I could hope you could identify ways to exploit the other teams weaknesses.
Maybe we shouldn't let children on Twitter then....maybe some parents should take a tiny bit of personal responsibility for their kids and GET THEM OFF TWITTER!
We wouldn't be having this discussion if these "children" were not on Twitter.
I don't play basketball, I was trying to be generous.
yes, I agree that members of schools and the NCAA must follow a set of rules. And their tweets could be used against them to penalize them, and have. But that cannot be applied to the general public because the schools and the NCAA have no means to enforce punishment for non-members. So if casual fan (who is not a member) tweets a recruit nothing will happen. no one gets penalized.
i don't disagree with what you are saying. yes, people would not follow these kids if they were not going to play sports. But that still doesn't mean that the NCAA can penalize universities or recruits for the tweets of a casual fan. If the recruit accepts then they will get into trouble. Mostly by being declared ineligible to play sports. But the fan can keep tweeting to his hearts content and the NCAA can do nothing about him.