He was tabbed as someone to watch coming into this week by the Huff Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/senior-bowl-2014-logan-thomas_n...
Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas: The 6-5, 256-pounder has very good mobility for his size and was able to take care of his body during his up-and-down career with the Hokies. He has a big arm and would have likely put up big numbers on the stat sheet with better surrounding talent. However, a quarterback will always be judged by wins and losses, so Thomas has a lot to prove leading up to the draft. He is not very mechanically sound in the pocket and has forced too many throws during his time in Blacksburg. He has a chance for a fresh start this week, though, while working in a pro scheme with good surrounding talent.
First day of practice went pretty well from all accounts:
http://thevikingage.com/2014/01/24/senior-bowl-logan-thomas-qb-virginia-...
Thomas has driven scouts crazy with his erratic play over the past two seasons, but its possible that he might have enjoyed the best day of any quarterback on either roster [the first day of Senior Bowl practice]. He delivered the ball with excellent velocity and zip in drills and looked like a confident passer from the pocket. Additionally, Thomas flashed timing and anticipation on a handful of throws in 7-on-7 that showcased his potential as a passer in a pro-style offense. Now, the impressive showing will not erase the two seasons of bad film put up by Thomas, but it could entice a team in need of a developmental prospect to take a chance on a 6-6, 254-pound athlete with intriguing physical tools.
Another good mention here on NFL.com for Thomas
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000315962/article/logan-thomas-aaro...
Apparently day two of practice didn't go so well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/1/21/5332752/senior-bowl-day...
For the North squad, the quarterbacks Tajh Boyd, Stephen Morris and Logan Thomas struggled. While the wind was whipping hard all day, all three quarterbacks had issues placing the ball. Morris looked the best of the bunch, but that's not saying a lot. Boyd has mechanical issues and had issues getting the ball to the outside. Thomas threw wobblers or was just generally off target. After practices, Thomas told me that he's raw as a quarterback, despite being a multi-year starter at Virginia Tech. Thomas is working with quarterback coach George Whitfield to improve his front leg in hopes that it boosts his accuracy.
Overall, the news was fairly good regarding his willingness to improve on issues and his overall ability to play the position from the standpoint of the four days of practice:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20140122/logan-thomas-seantrel...
Logan didn't have the performance in the game that he would have liked, which fortunately most of the pro staffs don't actually stay for, more choosing to stay just for the practices during the week prior. He went 4 for 5 for only 18 yards, but took five sacks on the game. At least two of those were pure line breakdowns (although on one Logan probably should have adjusted the blocking as it was obvious the guy was blitzing). He looked haphazard at best running the offense, but the South side defense had some pretty incredible talent and gave the entire North team fits all day. The South won the game 20-10 with Logan having little effect one way or the other unfortunately. I was really hoping he would be able to have a break out game or have at least enough impact to get mentioned in the post game write-ups as someone to watch.
He wasn't highlighted as a Faller in this writeup on Yahoo, (unlike two other ACC QB's Boyd/Morris) but he didn't get himself mentioned in the Risers either:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2014-senior-bowl-10-risers-011512951--nfl.html
This interview though is what I hope the scouts and team coaches took most of their cue's from as far as who Logan is:
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014interview3.php
How did you feel you threw the ball today?
"I could have done a lot better today. I wish I could have a couple throws back, obviously. It was a good day overall. I'm still learning. Learning a lot, and the more you learn the better you are."What were some of the points you got from coaches on some of those throws you are talking about?
"Just throw a checkdown. Something like that, but for me, I just have to take my time and make sure I'm on my P's and Q's and get it done right."This is an important week for you to answer some questions. Is that a lot of pressure on yourself?
"No, I've had the pressure on my shoulders for awhile. I understand and know it. I don't let pressure get to me at all. I'm always kind of like this, even keel, with a smile on my face; whether things are going good or bad, I'm in the middle."What do you feel you need to show scouts?
"Just that I can be accurate and make good decisions. Take care of the football. Show that I have command of an offense and that I can be a great leader."Who are some of the teams you've met with?
"I met with everybody except the Giants, Colts, Redskins and Broncos."You always seem calm and composed.
"That is one of my biggest traits. That is what I've been taught all my life. The vocal part I worked on, and my coaches told me that it's okay to jump on somebody and tell them we need to get going. You can't be on them bad all the time; you have to be encouraging and being out here is tons of fun."
Overall I think he probably helped his stock as far as getting drafted but he didn't do anything to really change the conversations already being had on whether he could go anywhere from a second to fifth round pick. Lets hope Senior Day and the Combine show some steady improvement for him as he works with George Whitfield and he ends up in the higher picks.
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Thanks, for the summary. Logan has been nothing but class while at VT and I hope he gets a chance with the right organization.
I remember reading 2 years ago that unless someone plays particularly well or poorly that the game actually doesn't matter so much for scouts. Practice is where it counts. They go to the practices to see how the player performs individually to see if they might fit their team's need, and how the player does with instructions that are given by coaches.
Sadly as a backup for Eli might have been a good spot for LT.
They drafted Ryan Nassib last year. Unless they go the Broncos route and draft QBs in consecutive years, I don't see them drafting LT3.
Nassib? Who's she?
5 sacks? How many snaps did he play?
4 series, with 1 first down if I remember correctly. So maybe about 15 snaps. His line really did an awful job. 2 or 3 of the sacks had nothing to do with Logan. He could have stepped up and checked the ball down a little better, but he was still getting pressure when he went to his second read.
On one play he got chased down from behind on a bootleg, but the left guard barely got a hand on the guy speed rushing off the edge. He also had what I thought was a nice throw to his receiver on an out route, but the guy slipped so it looked way off.
Most of the scouting was done during the week, and the game stats won't do much to change his stock.
15 snaps, 10 of which the play call called for a pass. Here's a break down of all of his passing plays:
2nd and 18: pass complete 3 yds
3rd and 15: sack -8 yds
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2nd and 13: sack -12 yds
3rd and 20: pass complete 9 yds (defense had 5 yd penalty just before)
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2nd and 1: pass complete 2 yds
2nd and 8: sack -5 yds
3rd and 13: sack -7 yds
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1st and 10: incomplete pass
2nd and 10: pass complete 4yds
3rd and 6: sack -7 yds
Heres another review by Walterfootball who I wouldnt really call an official analyst, but is generally pretty impartial and has been doing a player by player break down for several years. Here's what he says about Thomas for the game (also has individual practice breakdowns on the site)
Third round pick would be a win, as long as it's in the right situation.
It sounds like the scouts love his upside but note that he will need some work.
What I'm NOT hearing is that he doesn't have the talent to succeed at that level.
Not a surprise.
Too bad we didn't have a QB coach with Loefler's training ability when he was a freshman.
It sounds like his ability to be coached is excellent which is another thing that will earn him a spot and a start someday.
I am very happy for him.
The question is, had Loeffler been here, would he have made him a QB in the first place or steered him to TE where many had projected him?
QB.
QB.
QB.
If Lefty had been around when we were recruiting Thomas, Boyd, Manuel, etc, I think we would have had a much better chance with those other guys, which would have allowed LT to stay at tight end. Now, if Thomas and Lefty arrived at the same time (and we had already missed on those other guys), then yes I think he would have kept him at QB and we'd have a 2nd year starter getting ready for the OSU game.
QB. The talent was lacking at that position.
QB.
QB
QB.
I'm not sure if I got this. Did all of you say QB?
I would also expect coaches to look into using him as an old school style tailback. Taking snaps. Throwing the ball. Running.
QB.
This doesn't sound so bad. Means he pretty much stayed where he was in the NFL's eyes from before the Senior Bowl.
He's gonna sit, Like Tyrod has been. But hopefully he gets to develop further and get better and then get an opportunity later.
I saw two series, six plays (with two punts). Three of the six plays were sacks.
And I thought our O-line had issues.
And forgive me if this is off-topic here...but who drew the map for North and South? VT and Miami are both north, but UVA, Florida, and FSU are all south?
I'm with you.
Its kinda nitpicking, but if you have to name teams, divisions either make it fit or make it nondescript.
(Thinking of you, Atlantic and Coastal divisions.)
Thanks for the effort, but this is really nothing but a smattering of amateur opinions among a sea of widely varying amateur opinions -- few of which have anything to say other than spewing conventional wisdom and fantasy league quality observations. The real pros aren't going to share their opinion -- or if they do, it's likely superficial at best or misinformation, at worst.
The thing that amuses me about these guys is that they not only pontificate about who will be picked when before the draft, but then have the balls to evaluate the real pros after the draft by grading them on how they picked in comparison to how the amateurs thought they should have picked.
Like a few years ago when Mel Kiper insisted that Jimmy Clausen was a top 5 pick (which he clearly wasn't) and then when he slipped to mid-2nd round (which means that only 1 team had him that high), he praised the Panthers because they got a 1st round talent in the 2nd round (when, in retrospect, he was more like a 6th round talent picked in the 2nd round). He did the same thing that year with Terrance Cody and Sergio Kindle too (who have both dramatically underachieved as 2nd round picks, let alone 1st round picks). Dreadfully wrong on all three.
We can only hope that Kiper lives up to his promise to retire if Clausen doesn't become a successful NFL QB. But unfortunately like all of these reporters posing as professional talent analysts, they'll just keep on projecting and analyzing because fans and their sportswriter brethren (who go so far as quoting each other's opinions as though they are reporting facts) still give them credence and never do any retrospective look at how poorly these guys project player prospects.
The most valuable piece of info in the summary is that the real pros -- the ones with their livings depending upon making more good draft picks than the other guys -- didn't even bother to stay for the game.
Is Clausen even on a team anymore?
I think he's still on the Panthers roster. But it didn't take Carolina long to realize they'd made a mistake since they took Cam Newton the following year. So essentially Clausen was a wasted 2nd round pick.
I think Clausen would have been a wasted 4th round pick. I was astounded when the panthers traded up to get somebody that nobody was going to pick before the 3rd round at the earliest.
His O-line was pretty horrendous. Didn't give him a chance to make any plays.
QB.
Damn, I was on my way down here to do this.
Thanks for the summary. Agree with the comment that all analysts except French are completely worthless POS, but I found the articles interesting. Read an article on one of the sites about David Meggett. Holy crap.... talk about a worthless POS. Shame on the NFL for allowing that guy to be employed. Have to believe some saw the behaviour long before he had court cases. Stand up for injustice lest it be perpetrated on you.
Heard this over the weekend as well...
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Our motto is "Publicity at any cost!"
TEAMBROWNIE continued to lurk in the shadows, recording all of TEAMPIE's signals.
I've noticed a certain dessert group missing from this conversation/debate for the entire time I've been a part of it.
considering this thread is about LT in the NFL I feel it's appropriate to finally introduce #TEAMSUNDAE to the table.
So, once again TEAMPIE CREAMPIE wins.
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