Tyreem Powell flips to Rutgers.

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Beat me by a minute dagnabbit

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You're flipping to Rutgers?

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Seems like an odd reason to flip to Rutgers

I live <30 minutes from Rutgers so bye guys I guess

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

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You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Dude!

It's just a helicopter.

Bummer.

Recruits who switch because coaches have helicopters (UNC...cough...Larry) tend to not work out. Probably not the guy for us.

We put the K in Kwality

I'll do it one better. Bet he doesn't play his entire career for Schiano. Guy almost bankrupt the program when he left to go fail at Tampa.

We put the K in Kwality

"It came down to relationships," Powell told NJ Advance Media Thursday. "Now I'm up there with my former teammates and (assistant) coach (Fran) Brown and coach Schiano."

He wasn't committed enough, so I will think of him no more.

Guy almost bankrupt the program when he left to go fail at Tampa.

That was more of a Rutgers problem than Schianno problem

Twitter me

Imagine losing the highest-ranked recruit of your current class to Rutgers with your more or less Defensive Coordinator in Waiting already on your staff, and you didn't make the announcement like four months earlier when it may have salvaged what will be the lowest ranked recruiting class of the modern era.

It's easier to imagine if the college that's really close to his house and recruited his high school teammates replaces their coach with someone who coached the NFL and has a helicopter that he visited the local high schools in.

We'll see how that works out for him, but it goes with the territory.

I really appreciate the consistency you exhibit with your posts. I don't agree with them in most cases, but admire the consistency and tenacity. Kudos.

What don't you agree with about that post?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

jham wasn't DC in waiting

everyone wanted either gray or jham until odom and walters were available

saying that keeping tyreem powell would've happened if we announced jham as DC 4 months ago is unfounded conjecture at best at asinine at best

jham wasn't DC in waiting

Enough people close to the program have said he's been calling the plays for at least half the season.

saying that keeping tyreem powell would've happened if we announced jham as DC 4 months ago is unfounded conjecture at best at asinine at best

Assuming you mean at worst, then to that I would say it really doesn't matter. You're completely missing the point.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Calling the plays does not mean you're the DC in waiting. It would be ridiculous for Fuente to not wait to see where coaches ended up at the end of the season. This whole rhetoric of we should have announced jham at the beginning of the season is so dumb.

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Look, I don't know if it's true or not. But where there's smoke there's fire. And all evidence points towards Hamilton being groomed for the job during the season.

It's so strange that folks used this narrative to defend the Hamilton hire. But now that it doesn't work for this narrative we are tossing it.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

You can groom someone as an option at DC without committing to them. These things are entirely independent.

If you want to jump within your company they have all the ability in the world to let you shadow someone in that role now. You learn about the role, they learn about you handling aspects of that role. When the opens up and it's an extremely important role it would be silly not to do due diligence looking for the best fit.

I'm not using anything about what he may or may not have been doing during the season to defend the hire but that's part of hiring internally anywhere you have the ability to test them out in a role as part of their "interview"

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If Hamilton was calling plays, how come every time the camera panned to Bud, he was giving somebody a devil horn sign or some other play? I have no way of knowing, but I would imagine it was more like a shadowing than a taking over of the play calling. If Bud's health was on thin ice like it appears, it may have been necessary in case he had to miss a game or something.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

"[The official visit] played a huge role, hiring coach Fran and then seeing my recruiter coach get fired was all hectic in the same weekend," Powell said.

Hopefully Fuente saw this one coming.

I'm sure he did.

But he was losing Bud, and putting together the right staff on defense was a lot more important than one recruit, or any of them, really.

We ain't got no staff at the moment, I ain't skeered

Dadgummit.

Opens up more spots for that #TX2VT movement that's coming our way. Best of luck to the young man.

The numbers always work out.

Unfortunate, but I can't really blame the guy when Schiano probably has New Jersey high school guys excited for the first time since... Schiano. The appeal of playing with current teammates, and staying close to home can be underrated.

That being said, hopefully VT can gain a little momentum this weekend with some TX boys, or someone like an Alante Brown (on OV this friday).

Damn we just got big dawgged

We got local dawgged.

Almost the whole class could flip EXCEPT FOR A FEW PLAYERS and honestly, who would care? Get the new coaches set up and the returning players healed and squared away and get ready for 2021...It sucks to lose this one as it did the WR but at least LB and WR are positions of strength. The portal and JUCO have made things not hurt as bad...

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Praise Portal.

But I think you're right. This isn't the most critical class. Still, we shouldn't be giving it a 'pass'.

Almost the whole class could flip EXCEPT FOR A FEW PLAYERS and honestly, who would care?

The entire class is a few players.

A few players out of the few players that we have in this class. =)

FIRST DOWN, HOKIES!

Bring me all of the Texas DE's pls.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Ehh no disrespect to him but we got better coming in

Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

He was our highest rated recruit.

Like i said tech is gonna have higher rated players in this class

Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

I'll believe it when I see it. Been too many big recruiting weekends and crystal balls in the past to get excited about defensive line recruits that may be interested in VT.

Here we go again

Throw that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here. Maynard James Keenan. 1991

Probably mutual. No one at VT is going to say they're pulling an offer or that there is someone they want more. I get that he has a decent rating but no telling what's happening behind the scenes

If this is the case, we started at the wrong end of the list.

Exactly

Nowhere to go but up ...

Reach for Excellence!

VT Football: It'll get after ya!

Proud Hokie since 2004.

Is it possible that we might actually end up with a negative number of recruits this cycle?

The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me.

Something, something, something, the numbers always work out...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

Unless the kid is a generational talent, losing out on one guy isn't gonna kill us

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He was our highest ceiling prospect in the 2020 class. Freaky frame/athleticism combo at Backer. Probably would have taken a year or two, but he looked like a great fit there.

Obviously won't derail the program or anything like that but still a noteworthy loss.

Now I think we will feel better about it moving forward if we land Bryant and Wooten at positions of greater need (DE) in the ESD window. That would redirect our momentum back in the right direction.

Agreed, good elaboration, I didn't feel like typing that much, lol

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

But it'd be cooler if we didn't lose recruits to Rutgers.

Sure, it'd also be cooler if we didn't lose recruits to anyone and signed all 4 and 5 stars too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I can't be too sure man but if I had to guess I'd say that signing 3 star kids away from Rutgers is easier than signing "all 4 and 5 stars" just a guess

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Wait, he's a 3 star? That changes everything. s/

A lot of what I read on here indicates we shouldn't even waste our time chasing 3 stars!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Says a lot about this recruiting class then considering he was our highest rated recruit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

So we'll loop back to the fact that one 3 star guy is not going to make or break the program.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

By that logic we should be okay with losing the rest of the class.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I fail to see where losing 1 recruit is = losing an entire class, regardless of stars

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What you're saying is being interpreted as "losing 3 star recruits doesn't matter" and our entire class is 3 stars

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Except I'm not saying that it doesn't matter. Losing any recruit matters.

What I said was losing this one particular recruit is not going to make or break the team, unless he's some kind of generational talent, like I said originally.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Mutual parting. Good luck at Rutgers, he will need it

I haven't seen this reported anywhere else yet. We in on another potential Backer prospect we like more?

LOL. VT would lose Jim Brown and Jerry Rice, and our fans would say "mutual" or "we pulled our offer". lol Always

This guy wasn't Jim Brown or Jerry Rice.

We've got 99 problems but losing an NJ recruit to Rutgers isn't one.

no he wasn't not even close, but my point still stands. That's ALWAYS the narrative.

The only problem here is that he shouldn't have been our highest rated recruit to begin with.

Lol who upvotes this shit. Straight making shit up, it was not mutual

This is a bad look. "Good luck... he will need it" sounds so petty. A teenager changed his mind in the biggest decision of his life. So what?

It's strange to me that we have a skeleton crew of a staff trying to keep guys committed a week before signing day. I have no idea why you would choose to make these changes before signing day and not have a new staff ready to roll.

We've been hearing more changes and replacement guys are coming after the bowl game. The big question I have is why you would out some guys now, not fill the jobs, then finish later. Either wait, or fill it out quicker than what we're doing.

If the rumors about this weekend are true, then the 2021 class will begin to take shape nicely, I'll admit. It's just extremely concerning that a coach that has preached the importance of ESD chose to hang these kids in limbo leading up to that day.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

It's strange to me why you would keep coaches on the team that you know you are going to get rid of just to trick 17/18 year olds to sign with you on ESD. That sounds like a great plan for a new coordinator to follow to earn trust.

Since the coaches are, in fact, state employees, I have to imagine that all of the hiring process has to be followed iaw state rules.

I agree, that's why we shouldn't have waited a week to get started lol.

And yes, I am a state employee. College football hires can be done much more expeditiously than my hiring.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Also, keeping guys that the previous coaches (either Mitchell or Wiles) recruited may not be important to JHam if he wants to change things up. Maybe they'll let them go and start in on other recruits that they want more for 2021 and don't use the scholarships for 2020, or maybe pick up someone from a juco?

In any year that we replace a coach who also recruits, you are going to have recruits decide to change their mind based on that. People implying that we should have kept Mitchell just so we can keep some recruits are short sighted. When would people prefer to off-load a coach? Plus this upcoming recruiting class is not strong. He wasn't going to make or break the team. All his buddies apparently are going to rutgers, and his primary recruiter got let go. Easy choice. I mean good luck at Rutgers but he's not competing against us so it's really no bother to me.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

fwiw he'll either be a senior or r-Jr in 2023 when we play @Rutgers

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

A recruit changed his mind?! Shocker! That happens almost never, like so rare it's only every... single.... year.

Meh. Nothing to see here. Move along

Wait move along? My fan instructions say here: "panic, question coaches, question historical recruiting, ignore bigger picture."

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Not only did he change his mind, but he's staying home now that the school closest to him has a competent coach. I get it, it sucks, but this makes all kinds of sense for the kid.

Be honest... Our top rated recruit bolted for Rutgers.... Rutgers... whose coach has been there 5 minutes. Be honest when you blindly defend recruiting.

Be honest... Recruits change their mind every year for reasons understood... and not. Be honest when you blindly assign deeper meaning to things you have only superficial knowledge of.

Our recruiting class is 80th in the country. That's honest

Agreed. But reasons and meaning of recruiting performance on overall class are not the same as the reasons and meaning behind this one recruit flipping. That's also honest.

Honestly if you look at the juco and transfers combine it with what appears to be a late push, this class may be in decent shape considering the size. Let's cross our fingers and wait until the dust settles.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Where do you think it will stand after #TX2VT?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I'm much more excited about JR Walker than I am upset about losing Powell.

Nasir Peoples is a sleeper in the Chuck Clark mold as well.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

I'm also excited about JR Walker, and that's exciting news if Nasir Peoples is in the Chuck Clark mold, but Tyreem wasn't a safety prospect for us. He was a Backer all the way.

Even better given Dax will be a 4-year player, Tisdale's huge upside, Barno's got a couple years with the redshirt, and Ferguson is still raw/getting bigger.

Powell was looking at 2-3 years to see the field assuming he could put on 20-30lbs and keep his speed.

Despite Artis' redshirt we still need another Mike prospect in a big way.

"Dick to Hyman? DICK TO HYMAN!" - Guy in Lane Stadium crowd when Richard Johnson hit Josh Hyman on reverse pass in 2004.

I would be more excited if Nasir Peoples and JR Walker were actually in this recruiting class.

I get it, it sucks losing a recruit. But to the people saying we should have kept Mitchell because of this, you NEVER keep a coach for one recruiting cycle. If Fu thinks it is time to move on, then it's time to move on.

Promoting JJ to head basketball coach is the primary example of why you don't staff solely for near-term recruiting concerns.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think that the continuity of the previous 25 years allowed VT to avoid the empty recruiting classes that often are associated with major staff changes. This was a significant asset for VT that helped mitigate some of the handicaps that the program has when compared to many of the upper echelon programs.

A massive overhaul of the defensive staff combined with the small size of this year's class hopefully will limit the negative impact of this recruiting cycle as it will be represented by a diminished percentage of players on the roster.

That makes way too much sense.

So the 2016 class is not "Fuente's" because, well recruiting relationships take years to build, and Fuente just didn't have time- takes years to recruit a kid. But when Bud Foster announces he is leaving before the season, and Mitchell is fired 2 weeks before signing day, well you can't recruit well in that environment, all these late changes. OK, which is it?

It actually appear that the simple premise that changes in coaching staff can have negative effects on recruiting in the short term can be applied to the 2016 and 2020 recruiting class; it is not an either or situation.

It is not uncommon to have recruits look elsewhere when there is coaching change. This could be because:

  • the personal relationships required to have a kid sign over their football life are built over time;
  • there could be concern about the unknown aspect of the new culture;
  • there could be concern about the stability of the program;etc.

This is not a VT issues as this also correlates to the hiring of new employees in the business world too.

I only stated that the short term, negative impact, of the changes to the VT football coaching staff are going to have a more limited impact due to the size of the class. If the major coaching changed occurred with a class double this size, the negative impact would be greater.

Sort of hard to recruit for defense when you're losing your defensive coordinator. Also, was Bud really recruiting all that hard if he was having health issues and thinking of leaving or having made the decision?

Transition years aren't generally good recruiting years.

Both.

I am only upset because this guy had a nose for the football, always seemed to square up the ball carrier, and laid some serious lumber when he arrived. Other than that, he was one player and at lease we lost him to the appeal of staying home rather than some other P5 school 8 hours away.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Said it from the start, wait to judge this class until the end of signing period.

Gobble Till You Wobble

So playing Devil's Advocate a little bit.

We let go of a coach and a kid he was the main recruiter for decides to flip. That will happen. Is it possible that if we make some good hires, a few kids currently committed elsewhere will flip our way?

No. Doesn't work that way. VT loses recruits via flips, we do not gain flips. Your kind of dangerous thinking would shatter long held beliefs of many a Hokie fan.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Nester? Rivers?

I didn't think the s/ was necessary.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I received and welcomed your sarcasm. I am ashamed at trying to think rationally.

Please accept my apologies and the leg I awarded you for bringing me back to my senses.

You and fernley are going way against the fan guide here. I'd tread carefully with your logic and thinking.

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"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Virginia Tech : loses top rated recruit to Rutgers- the worst team in the B1G, whose coach has been there a week.

Also Virginia Tech: Recruiting is fine, Better than ever in fact.

Did we not just fire 3 coaches directly related to their misses on the recruiting trail? Or am I missing something.

If they fired Burden due to recruiting, we are in deeper trouble than I thought. At minimum, none of the other coaches have been held to that standard if so.

We'll never be in deeper trouble than you think.

Well we used to have winning seasons, beat UVA and out-recruit wake. Things have never been better!!

We went 8-4 this year. Is that not a winning season?

We beat UVA 15 seasons in a row. Did you really expect it to last forever? Is losing to them 1 time in 16 seasons the death knell for VT football as we know it?

We've out-recruited Wake every season until this year's recruiting class (which hasn't actually signed yet, so is incomplete). The only reason we're actually rated lower than Wake is because of class size (18 commits to 10 commits). By average player rating we're above them.

Stop making things out to be so binary. We're having a bad year in recruiting because of a wide range of factors. But, the product on the field is on an upswing, with plenty of promise for future years, including in recruiting (e.g., TX2VT).

stop bringing logic to the discussion! /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

I actually like Burden but wish he was coaching WRs instead of RBs that move made no sense.

I think he was an ok recruiter but for being our VA beach guy and our RB guy who takes the blame for missing on most of the VA kids and what about high profile RB misses like Ford and Slade. He had ok success but say he was killing it on the trail wouldn't be correct.

my speculative crazy theory: Fuente only kept Burden around for recruiting connections in Virginia, and maybe some continuity - not his coaching ability. Switching Burden to RB coach was done to mitigate the impact of his limited coaching skills, as it is the position with the lowest requirement for coaching ability.

Once it became clear that Burden wasn't getting done in the recruiting, it was time to move on.

I don't think that sounds crazy at all

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Did we not just fire 3 coaches directly related to their misses on the recruiting trail? Or am I missing something.

We did just fire three coaches and we've got a new D-coordinator for a week. That's a fair justification. But we lost the recruit to a school that just fired their coaching staff and has had a new head coach for about a week... seems to me like it was a fairly even playing field with that regard and we lost out, reasoning/justification being that we have new staff.

I'm totally fine with losing the recruit. I'm sure he wants to play football with his high school friends. Great, go for it. I've learned to not get bent out of shape over recruits. But to excuse it to staff turnover doesn't make sense to me when he went to a place with recent massive staff turnover...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I think it was more that he had friends going to Rutgers, and Schiano came to his high school in a helicopter.

It is what it is.

I wasn't addressing this recruits situation.

I was simply saying that the head coach obviously felt that there was an issue with recruiting and is in the process of making changes to address it.

Reading this thread has me like

“Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?” -McHokie540

Does the Clay's hiring shed any light on why he might have decommitted? I don't know enough about Clays' defensive style to know if Powell would have been a bad fit. Anyone have a hunch here?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I do have a hunch. His lead recruiter and closest coaching relationship Mitchell was fired AND his position coach Bud retired... add in the desire to play at home with his friends and it's a great recipe for a flip.

it's one guy.....................

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."