OL/Center John Harris Entering the Transfer Portal

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A major factor was probably the competition at center with Brock Hoffman, Hudson and Hoyt all vying for playing time. Best of luck to him

Next season, Virginia Tech will have a heated competition for center. Hudson returns as the incumbent starter, Hoyt has starting experience, and former Coastal Carolina starter Brock Hoffman - who was denied an NCAA waiver for immediate eligibility - will factor in as well.

The numbers might end up working out if we are going after a few other targets.

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The numbers always work out. Hope he has a good playing career at another school.

I am not thrilled about this. I liked Harris and his potential.

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I know he was just a r-Fr but he looked lost to me in the 1st half vs ODU.

After I made my post below and did some additional reading I recalled what I saw watching that ODU first quarter/half. Agree, he did not look ready.

He looked good vs BC

How many snaps did he get vs BC? My memory is Hoyt when down fairly late in that game.

Good luck John, an best of luck

I liked Harris and his potential.

Guess he didn't think the same.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

What bugs me (in general, not just this case) is that this shows a general lack of confidence in themselves to go out an win a starting job. Going to work and making a competition out of things doesn't just make you as an individual look better but it forces everyone around you to push their limits as well. If we have players that are more inclined to take the easy way out rather than compete then that's an issue that started with the lead recruiter and failing to make a proper read on character.

I'm not a big fan of Freshman leaving because of playing time. But in not sure it's a as much of a character issue as it is just the way of the world. The instant gratification factor that is ingrained in America knows no age.

Companies make decisions based on their stock next week and not next year. People cant be bothered to go to a bank to deposit a check. Hell Amazon has same day shipping because next day is to far away. Bingeing TV is huge because no one wants to wait a week for a new episode. People at work get upset if you don't respond to email in less than 3 hours, I wasnt at my desk chill people. People are paying other people to drive thru mcdonalds for them.

So the next time a coach gets fired (for losing) before his contract is up we need to get upset that the school didn't give them a chance to compete and prove themselves.

For most of these guys this is their last chance to play football. If you can start somewhere else and that's what you want to do then fine go play. It's a game and you only have so long to do it.

I prefer for people to put in hard work and see the results of that work but at the end of the day hard work rarely gets you what you want. Which is sad.

Not even one pickle reference?!? -1

Nor a cucumber reference either.

You went on a bit of a rant there, but I agree with the Freshman transferring part. I don't know if its the recruiting pitches or what, but it seems more and more these players think they should all be starting in 1-2 years. It seems just a decade ago the progression was the first year was a learning and lifting year to get the freshman ready to play, soph year was expected to be a backup, junior and senior years would be when you start. I guess I don't expect a player to not see a path to the field so early, but maybe the coaches made that vision clearer recently. r-Fr or true Fr seems too early to be thinking transfer.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I agree, but I wonder if we just assume it's ego driving all of these kids to the portal when it may sometimes be the opposite - introspection.

Some kids may have arrive with grand ambitions, but after awhile they realize "whoa, these guys are really good" - and decide maybe P5 football isn't the right place for them (maybe with some nudges from coaching staff...).

For 99% of us who have played competitive sports at some level(s), we've been confronted with a similar reality at some point. I have to think this factors into some transfer decisions, not "I should be playing more - and such & such school or coach is keeping me from my dreams of the show".

I agree. He may want to play but knows at his best, he will be playing only as a senior. He could transfer, move to G5 or FCS and be able to play as a SO. I don't always assume it is due to a lack of a drive to compete, but rather they get 1 chance at this and want to make the most of it.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Where did you have Austin Cannon on VT's depth chart last December?

It doesnt matter what we think anyway. What matters is what the player thinks. It sucks for depth building but talent is going to start settling into lower level programs for playing time. I think most transfer players will ultimately be disappointed but I guess I cant blame them for chasing their dream. It does baffle me to some degree that these ultra competitors would ever just give up on competing unless coaches are being brutally honest and giving them that advice.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

It doesnt matter what we think anyway. What matters is what the player thinks.

True, but DC's statement about Austin Cannon is the reality of the situation, not necessarily what 'we think.' If playing time is what is facilitating this, I think most of us would hope there is an adult in his ear to at least point that out.

I agree. My point was that if he is truly comparable to Austin Cannon, he has to believe that he can compete to earn a spot. There could also be 1000 different reasons for his decision, but I find it hard to believe be doesn't have the adults in his ear.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Don't take this as trash talking a kid with tons of potential...but whether you think you can, or you think you can't....you're probably right.
He hasn't transferred yet. Maybe he'll change his mind.

JP

yeah sorry about the rant, it's what happens when I should be going to sleep but I am on the internet instead.

So, there's a lot to unpack here....

First of all, everyone assumes that the player (in this case Harris) made the decision to leave - that's not necessarily true. He could've been pushed out or asked/recommended to leave by the staff. He could've been asked to switched positions. I think it's a unfair assumption to believe that players are driving the decision to leave, not coaches.

Companies make decisions based on their stock next week and not next year.

FWIW, this is more an issue with shareholders of companies rather than companies themselves

People cant be bothered to go to a bank to deposit a check. Hell Amazon has same day shipping because next day is to far away. Bingeing TV is huge because no one wants to wait a week for a new episode.

People are paying other people to drive thru mcdonalds for them.

This is where I fundamentally disagree with you. Time is the one equalizer across race, country of origin, gender, social status, etc. We all have only 24 hours in a day. If you can spend your time doing things that actually matter to you - whether that's spending time with your family and friends, working on a hobby, or earning more cash - instead of running errands all day, I'm all for it. If you can build flexibility into your day by watching TV when its convenient for you, not when it's convenient for the network to broadcast it, then I say go for it!

People at work get upset if you don't respond to email in less than 3 hours, I wasnt at my desk chill people.

That's a personal problem. You need to coach your team how to better identify urgent issues, and prioritize accordingly. If they can't go three hours with you, then there's bigger issues at hand.

For most of these guys this is their last chance to play football. If you can start somewhere else and that's what you want to do then fine go play. It's a game and you only have so long to do it.

I prefer for people to put in hard work and see the results of that work but at the end of the day hard work rarely gets you what you want. Which is sad.

There's a balance between having grit and busting your tail, and learning from your mistakes and failures as fast as possible. If you must pass an obstacle in order to reach your goal, sometimes it's a lot smarter to go around that obstacle then repeatedly bang your head against it until it breaks.

Finally, I think it's also unfair to assume that transferring is the 'easy way out.' He might've come here, built a ton of great relationships, just to have the coaches tell him they want him to switch positions, or that he's not the right size for a new scheme, or that they just want to use his scholarship elsewhere. He might be picking to leave a place where he's become comfortable because he wants to get on the field.

TL;DR - don't confuse maximizing productivity with laziness

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The largest shareholder of companies are typically on the board and are making the decisions of the company. But even then if the shareholders want instant gratification then well that is a societal issue, and doesnt really change my point. But yes this is a public trade company thing not an all company thing. However, more and more companies are working to get bought so they see their payout sooner than if they built the company from the ground up.

You have a great point about saving time. No amount of money in the world can buy a second of time. I was trying to make the point of people want things instantly not saving time. I know lots of people that now won't watch an episode of a show until then season is over so they dont have to wait between episodes. This is different than me recording episodes because 8pm on thursdays don't work for me. People want same day delivery of crap they buy at amazon. People just want things now and have no patience.

The email thing isnt everyone but I know lots of people both inside and outside of work that expect responses from people quickly. It's not just me they want it from. Heck some days at work I don't have a chance to log on to a computer so people should know if they need me to find me. Only so many places i could be.

I think we are trying to say the same thing at the end, I just didnt word it well enough. most of college players only have so many games left in their career. If you want to play then find a way to make that happen. I didnt mean to sound like transfering is the easy way out because so far it isn't. Very few transfers have really made a difference especially if they weren't starting. There were lots of transfers that didnt get picked up last season.

I wish that everyone that comes to VT finds what they want out of being a Hokie. If that means working hard for it and reaping the rewards at VT then that is awesome. But lots of times hardwork isn't rewarded. By transferring it means that they didnt get what they wanted from being a hokie. I feel like the best thing a university can do is to help you achieve your life goals even if that means giving you the tools to succeed years later. I want VT to do that for every Hokie as much as it has done that for me.

TL;DR - don't confuse maximizing productivity with laziness

TL;DR - OK, Boomer.

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lol I thought about saying that as I was typing, but decided that it was a tad too snarky, and a bit lazy

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It's the culture of the day. Remember Tua? He was asking his dad if the USC offer was still good. That he wanted to play, to go somewhere that "it would be less of a challenge". That was the week before the NC with Hurts at QB.