Buzzketball Central: #11 Virginia Tech Hokies (18-4, 7-3) at Clemson Tigers (14-8, 4-5) 12PM ESPN2

Date/Time: Feb. 9, 2019 / 12 p.m.
Opponent: Clemson
Site: Clemson, South Carolina (Littlejohn Coliseum)
Radio: Virginia Tech IMG Sports Network
Talent: Jon Laaser & Mike Burnop
Talent: Doug Sherman & Cory Alexander
Live Stats:
Game Notes: Virginia Tech
Sirius: 84 XM: 84 Internet: 84

Tail of two teams

Buzzketball is on the road to face the Clemson Tigers. Clemson is coming in winners of three straight albeit against the dregs of the conference, with wins over Pitt (2-8), Wake Forest (2-8) and Georgia Tech (3-7). The Hokies venture in to Clemson off their first home loss to the Louisville Cardinals.

On the road, at noon, hopefully with a packed arena as that might be the only saving grace for this team that seems to need a high energy environment to prosper. We do not need another recurrence of Penn State and the concrete shoes that the Hokies seemed to wear in that game. As thin as the Hokies roster might seem with all the injuries and other drama, they likely are as deep as this Clemson lineup considering only about six Tigers see meaningful minutes.

This will be the Thirty fifth meeting between the Hokies and Tigers. Virginia Tech leads the all-time series 19-15. Hopefully the Hokies come out with the same energy they have had most of the season and control the pace of this game early.

The Tigers are coached by Brad Brownell, who has been at Clemson since 2010. He has finished with winning teams in all but one year guiding the Tigers. They are a consistent middle of the ACC team throughout his tenure. Brownell is 163-121 in his time at Clemson, leading them to the post season in four of his eight seasons. Overall, he is 330-206 as a head coach with prior stops at Wright State and UNC Wilmington.

Defensively, the Tigers focus primarily on a smothering man to man defense. The Tigers have forced opponents into over 15 turnovers per game. Their interior defense with Elijah Thomas has held opponents to the 24th lowest shooting percentage inside at 45%. They don't exactly struggle around the perimeter either, where opponents are shooting 36%. Early on this team dominated the boards but so far in conference play that has seemingly evaporated. In their last contest though, Wake Forest had 18 offensive rebounds but only managed 12 points from those second chances. It shows that their defense doesn't relent even giving up second chances.

Offensively, Clemson runs a constant motion offense which with his current group of players has been focused primarily between Point Guard Marquise Reed and their Primary Post Player Elijah Thomas, who together account for 32.3 points of Clemson's 71 points per game. Expect to see quite a few pick and rolls involving both of these players.

Tigers Backcourt

Marcquise Reed, (#2) 6'3, 188 Lbs Senior Guard comes in averaging 19.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 3.2 APG and 1.9 SPG. He is shooting 32% from outside and attempts four per game. He also shoots 81% from the free throw line. This is Reed's second season with the Tigers after transferring from Robert Morris. Reed will be used to break down the zone defense that the Hokies like to play, crossing the middle of the court to create space for drives or passes. Also expect to see him play at the point a majority of the game. He is the one guy they have that could possibly will them to victory as an one man show.

Shelton Mitchell, (#4), 6'4, 200 Lbs Senior Guard in his second season with the Tigers after transferring from Vanderbilt is averaging 11.2 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 3.1 APG and 1 SPG. The Hokies didn't have to contend with Mitchell last season as he got hurt before Tech faced the Tigers. He also will be seen handling the point duties when Reed is not. He is shooting 46% inside, 29% outside, and 80% from the line.

Sophomore Clyde Trapp (#0), 6'4, 196 lbs is averaging 6.6 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 1.7 APG and 1 SPG. Trapp is essentially the sixth man, coming in for any minutes Reed or Mitchell are on the bench for. He shoots 53% inside, 34% from outside and 62% from the free throw line.

Tigers Frontcourt

Elijah Thomas, (#14) 6'9, 245 Lbs Senior Forward is the center of the Tigers show in his second season after transferring in from Texas A&M. He does a bit of everything on both ends of the court. He is averaging 13.2 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 1.2 APG, and 2 BPG. He is shooting 66% inside, doesn't shoot threes and hits 67% from the line. Thomas does have a tendency to get in foul trouble but when that happens, the Clemson size on the floor actually gets bigger, as the two backups for those situations are 6'10 and 7 feet.

Sophomore Forward Aamir Simms (#25), 6'7, 248 lbs, from Palmyra, VA presents a pretty strong physical presence down low. He is averaging 9.3 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 1 APG and 1 BPG. He is shooting 58% inside, 34% outside, and 70% from the line.

Senior David Skara, (#24), 6'8, 213 lbs in his second season with the Tigers after transferring from Valparaiso. He is averaging 8 PPG, 4.4 RPG and 1.6 APG. He is shooting 59% inside, 39% outside, and 73% from the line.

What to expect from Clemson?

Clemson working the paint. The Tigers score almost 55% of their points in the paint, and another 20% from the free throw line. Obviously not all of the free throws are attributed to the paint but a considerable amount are. You are looking at a team that relies on interior scoring for almost 70% of its total scoring.

This is a very experienced lineup with some solid size down low. Four seniors in the starting five and typically three post players in the game at any one time. This isn't the fastest team but once they get in their half court set, this is a difficult team to find quality shots against.

Expect to see a full court press utilized quite often by Clemson, even if it is just perfunctory to slow the ball from reaching the half court. Every second they take off the clock is that many fewer passes the Hokies have to find an open shooter. It also shortens the window for their short bench to get into foul trouble and reduces the total possessions their opponents have to create offense.

The Hokies

Tech needs to be focused and moving around on offense to limit the Tigers ability to get in passing lanes and create turnovers.

Tech needs to be able to get to the basket frequently but doing so intelligently. Don't overcommit so much that you essentially hand your opponent the ball at the rim. Get into the body of the Clemson bigs and they will respond by fouling. It's been their one big weakness defensively this season.

Outlaw or Hill have to deliver some outside punch in this contest to keep the Clemson defense from closing in on the lane. Need to get at least five trey's from these two on the game.

The Hokies will likely continue to struggle offensively with Robinson likely out for this contest. The Hokies need to come out with their energetic defense and create a large gap between these two squads. I would hope that Buzz turns the pressure all the way up, especially coming out of the gate.

Expect a high paced game, Tech needs to get out and run early and often. Change the pace of play so that the Tigers are forced to constantly reach for opponents. Speed is one major advantage the Hokies have in this contest.

In Closing

Clemson will look to kick start their offense through Hokies turnovers leading to uncontested trips to the lane. The Hokies have to limit these opportunities. Don't let the Tigers hang around. Close out on the perimeter and open up a double digit lead by the half.

Keep the pace fast and fluid, moving the ball and themselves and create the openings that either lead to fouls or open looks.

The Hokies win 69-61 by being stout on defense and hitting their shots. Shutting down the Tigers in the paint while getting their bigs in early foul trouble will create some space between these two teams. Take that step towards the tourney by notching the 8th conference win.

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When in doubt. Nap it out


*Enter sandman intensifies*

When in doubt. Nap it out

last I checked, Clemson is favored by 3. Home court advantage can be attributed to anywhere from 2.5-6 points for NCAABB. So I guess the betting public is assuming we're about Clemson level good without JRob/Horne. I believe...

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I take it there's no news on the Nolley front. Is he still awaiting his scores from the re-test? If that's the hold up, who's grading these things, the USPS? Shouldn't have to burn a redshirt year because of NCAA incompetence. This is probably the most ridiculous case of player eligibility that I've ever heard of. Test scores too low - ineligible, test scores too high - ineligible. It's almost as bad as the shrinking tackling window in football or the strike zone in baseball. Pathetic!

And one more thing........GET OFF MY LAWN!!

"That man was violating a city ordinance, and I was just doing my duty to enforce it." - Mike Curtis

"You boys in there smokin' rope?"-Johnny Unitas (circa 1973) to his San Diego Chargers teammates

Buzz already said he and Clarke will not be playing this year.

Slightly OT for today

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Gotta admit that's pretty hilarious.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

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The guy in the image was part of the disasterous Fyre Festival and the image is a still from the Netflix documentary where he revealed that in order to get water released by Bahamian customs, he had to go perform fellatio on the Bahamian Customs Minister, and came to the decision that he would do it to save the festival.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Important points of information: He's a homosexual and no fellatio was actually performed but he walked into the Custom Minister's office expecting to give him a David Blowie.

Literally just watched the documentary on Netflix. Was not expecting that scene at all.

It really is amazing how terrible our offense is right now.

Is it basketball season yet?

I have no doubt in my mind, we lead the country in fouling a three-pointer shooter.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Terrible foul to take by NAW

VB born, class of '14

Man our offense is hard to watch without Robinson

Can someone explain to me (& not that I'm complaining) HOW (other than #qualityloss) are we still ranked #11 after Louisville shellacking??

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Sure here ya go: it's because rankings are released Monday morning and the Louisville game was Monday night.

New app rankings don't come out until

Cuz it was Monday and they haven't released new rankings yet

Even with the Louisville loss we are 10th in the NET rankings so we wont drop significantly until losses build up. Its pretty common with rankings to keep getting votes because you have been there rather then having to find someone new to vote for

Thx. It escaped me.

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Bede has a knack for picking the ball up at the key for no reason

Man we are going to have to play inch perfect the rest of the season until 5 gets back. Minimal fouls, make our shots, and avoid turnovers. With 6 guys. Hell of a task

VB born, class of '14

Blackshear come ooooonnnnn


Not a fan of arenas that make the primary cameras be on the same side as the benches so all you see is the player heads and you dont see the coaches most of the game

Holy shit can we please stop fouling 3 point shooters

God damn I hate stupid fouls... 3 easy points Bede you dont need to try and block a shot 38 feet from the bucket

Keep calm, Gobble on

Man we're running around with our heads cut off whenever they make a pass on the perimeter today

So I see the trend of teams shooting well from the arc is alive and well.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

We need two graduate transfers next year or expect some serious shrinkage.

Not sure what more NAW needs to do to get the whistle. Ridiculous

We are a middle of the pack ACC team right now.

Is it basketball season yet?

Well five years ago we were the worst program in the ACC so I'll take it, haha.

Is it basketball season yet?

Bound to happen when you are down to 7 scholarship guys available to play

Transfer portal needs to givith otherwise next year we're more fucked than UVa on Thanksgiving Weekend.

Not sure why you got downvoted. I would agree with that assessment.

Some people just really don't like the truth sometimes

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

I may die before NAW gets those fouls called

Keep calm, Gobble on

Probably (most of us might).

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Man Ahmed Hill has missed some easy shots. We could really use his streaky shooting in the 2nd half & have him or NAW get hot from 3. Or Outlaw

On a related note.. Ahmed Hill is now 1-20 from 3 in his last 20 attempts. That's absolutely terrible. We need him to turn things around or this losing streak will continue

And by losing streak you mean 1 game?

Hokies a 5 seed in the bracket reveal on CBS playing UC Irvine. Committee gave strong consideration to Tech, Texas Tech, and Villanova for the 16 overall seed

What's good at the half...
100% from the free throw line: 6-6
Only 3 turnovers. They have 7
Winning the rebound game 18-16
Leading points in the paint... 14-6
Also fast break points... 6-0
More steals... 5-2

Why are we behind...
Fouling the three-point shooter doesn't help
They have 7 blocks
We're only shooting 32% (25% from three) and we had, I think, 3 shot clock violations

Go Hokies

Why are we behind


Yeah, the defensive rotation has been very poor.

Is it basketball season yet?

No call for the elbow to Outlaws head there

Foul and a travel? Pick one you cant miss both

Keep calm, Gobble on

sure they can when they put their hand on that wad in their pocket

Hey guys great game plan. Let's drive wildly & throw a terrible shot up right in front of the guy that has 8 blocks.

I think theyre trying to draw fouls... we need to drive and dish more

Keep calm, Gobble on

Need more of that Blackshear WOW

Outlaw loses the ball and swims around on the floor once a game

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

It's almost as if no one on this team WANTS to have the ball and make things happen

Bede needs to take those looks and make the defense crash to him.

Keep calm, Gobble on

Blackshear has the hot hand we need to keep feeding him. Too much isolation by NAW right there

Da U is frustrating the tarholes (right now).

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Daily reminder ACC officials are trash

VB born, class of '14

How the fuck was that a foul on NAW?!

Man we just can't get over that hump to grab a lead. Wtf.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I hate these kinds of games. We hang around, but once we get close, a big call or shot goes against us and we go into a scoring drought. I don't see this one going our way.

Holy shit this ref is out to get VT. Two terrible calls in a row & no-call when Outlaw gets hit on the 3 attempt

Jamie Lucky acting like Teddy V

Go Hokies

Yep I'm done with this. ACC officials are so substandard it's absurd. Blackshear was arm barred away from the rebound and get called for the foul. Horse shit and we see this bullshit nightly

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

Eventually I may have to stop watching basketball due to poor officiating, it's too infuriating.

The usual crap calls that impact the game. Horrible call on MAW and then ridiculous on Blackshear. Why do we never seem to get that same home cooking?

And now the makeup calls.

Sometime I wonder if the acc refs don't like buzz

the call on Thomas was bad

Go Hokies

Make up calls inbound

VB born, class of '14

2 make up calls there

What a block by outlaw! Great rotation

VB born, class of '14

they really don't need to do make up calls. they've called 14 on them and 11 on us

Go Hokies

Consistency zebra crew, consistency please.

Is it basketball season yet?

Crazy the contrast between the football and basketball team- basketball team gets ravaged with attrition/injuries and they still have a "fuck you, pay me" mentality.

Looks like no one wants to take the shot for us

How are these refs this bad at their jobs?

Were you honestly expecting a fair & impartial game called??

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Can't seem to figure out how to get under 3 now.

Same as the UL game, every time we pull it close, we self destruct. 30% from the field doesn't help.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Come on Bede you can't miss that & then give up a 3 on the other end

It's only a 6 point game, but the way we're not only missing, but refusing to take, big shots, it feels like 15. That last 3 felt like a dagger, if only because NAW is out of gas and no one else wants to step up and win the game. Looks like Clemson is getting a nice, shiny quadrant 1 win.

What do we have like 4 threes today??

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Bede with 0 points over the last 2 games & ahmed hill 1-20 from 3 in the last few games.. Both have absolutely killed us on the offensive end

Playing near 40 minutes 3 games in a row might have an effect on shooting 🤔

VB born, class of '14

This program has A LOOONG way to go and this season has confirmed it.

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The fact that we are all a bit bummed about this game and one's like it is because this program has come a LOOOOOONG way since Buzz arrived.

Is it basketball season yet?

Agreed. That's correct. But still not far enough (obviously).

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This is far from the truth. We have seven scholarship players available, one that Buzz would definitely prefer not play and the other he would rather see play five minutes not the 16 to 20 he is being forced to play. Most of these other programs have their bench intact to at least fall back on when required. We dont currently because Khadim Sy, Chris Clarke, Landers Nolley, Tyrece Radford redshirting and now Horne and Robinson injured. Thats six expected scholarship players not available. Are there things that need improvement? Sure but its not a LONG way to go. Robinson being in there alone likely changes the outcome of both the Louisville and Clemson games. If we had won both of these you wouldnt have had a word to say.

Robinson is one of those rare players that makes everyone around them better. His value is so much more than his own stats.

And if Buzz gets Jalen Cone to commit he is likely the next JRob. He is small but he has the killer instinct especially passing the ball.

Any chance Cone reclassifies to 2019?

Buzzketball without 5 is so far a boner killer. This is why I'm so worried about next year. There's only six guys that Buzz can 100% count on (Bede, Kabongo, Miller, Gordon, Wilkins and Gultekin).

0% chance NAW comes back. Atticus Taylor may not commit. Clarke is already dismissed. Radford is an unknown quantity. Blackshear may decide to leave and go play in Europe like his dad. Horne and Gordon may have to take medical redshirts. Nolley may never ever be eligible.

There has to be some sense of urgency from Buzz's part to either A) Bring in some impact freshman (A quick glance at our offers on 247 doesn't inspire a lot of hope) or B) Really take a look at the transfer portal after the tournament and roll the dice.

What if Buzz goes the Fuente route & nabs some JUCOs??

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This was more in reference to the fact that we're not at the point where if we're down 1-2 JRob-like players, the team will be able to compensate (see win anyways).

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Wow do we miss 5. This is a completely different team.

Team is completely NOTHING without him. Seriously, the rest of the team's/players' weaknesses are not only exposed, but amplified.

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We're also missing Horne. And Clarke. And Nolley. Have some perspective

VB born, class of '14

Oh, I agree. ZERO argument on that.

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The rers are one thing but jesus christ does no one wanna shoot the ball?

Keep calm, Gobble on

44 points with 3 min left. That's about it.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Remember when we regularly dropped 80? That was fun.

Pep Farm remembers meme.

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Well that's likely game. Serious question: Can this team make it to .500 in ACC play without Robinson? I'm not sure that happens

[Pun FULLY intended] I think it's a TOSS-UP.

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Yes, we can get 2 wins out of


I say we finish anywhere from 8-10 to 11-7.

Oulaw and NAW need to take the shots. Even if they are not super open. Amazing how different this team is without 5.

Remind me to never start off with the let's go again

When in doubt. Nap it out

Yeah I don't think we're pulling this one out. Just gonna middle along and lose by 3-6

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

NCSU didi it, so can we!

Edit: Maybe not (NAW just fouled out)

Is it basketball season yet?

No FG in over 7 minutes LOL. Jesus Christ our offense is abysmal

I get how crucial 5 is to the offense. But to have *zero* contingency plan with him out is just pathetic. I don't see how or why Buzz would stick around after this year, because it's gonna be rough without 5, NAW, Hill, Outlaw....

The challenge is what we have left runs out of gas because they have to play more. MAW was out of gas at the end. Missed a 3 short and then the front end of a one and one. If he sits for 5 more minutes those probably all fall - and that 5 points. Plus being tired leads to fouls. MAW and Blackshear fouling out is a direct result of playing too many minutes.

Cant contingency plan around a lack of bodies.

It's not like we were steaming along early in the game and then hit a wall, the offense as a whole is just sluggish and out of sync. I can't honestly say I see the personnel on the roster to make that better.

This is game #5 that I've watched. With my viewership the team is 0-5. When does this officially be called a curse?

When we were 0-2. Please stop

Did you break 5? You might have broken 5.

This team without Robinson is hard to watch and they might go straight back to the basement next year

not sure this team has another acc win. too soon to start drinking?

Have some faith. Georgia Tech and Pitt up next. Even without 5 these are definitely possible.

Do we win another game without Robinson? We've struggled to even break 50 with him out.. this season is a huge WHAT IF

Ridiculous. NAW has to foul knowing he is going to foul out while Bede and Hill basically just stand there with plenty of fouls to give. What a joke.

First b-ball game I've made in 10 years. This blows.

Using /s is for cowards.

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Our offense hasn't been this bad in a couple of years. We need someone to figure out the PG spot before ACC Tourney time or March will be short lived.

Is it basketball season yet?

Bede is the guy he just doesn't know how to take that role and own it. he's trying instead of doing. He got tossed in and aint ready. I want to see him take those looks from 3 and not feel like he has to force shots, drive and if you aint got it dribble it out. We look so lost without 5 and no one wants to step up outta the comfy spot.

Keep calm, Gobble on

I'm not a big basketball fan, this is my first tech basketball game ever. I heard great things about the team but obviously it was incorrect because they go and loose to an Unranked Clemson, probably my last basketball game.

Okay, go back to rooting for whatever team you used to bandwagon, we don't need you

Could use Tyrie Jackson right about now.

I think the last couple games settles the debate about Med turning to crap in conference play

"I regret nothing. The end." - Ron Swanson

He misses Robinson setting him up. No clean looks without the attention a defense had to pay to 5.

Med has skills but on offense if his guy has a good first step he just can't juke and get by him. Without a traditional spot up shooting form (ball above the head) he can easily get blocked with a player standing back a few steps from him. That means the guy's first step doesn't even have to be that good to defend him. Med has to get by him in three steps instead of one or two. Its just fundamentals... traditional set shot makes them have to guard you close which opens you for a drive. His J is actually pretty good to the point where I'd say practice catching and j-shooting immediately. I would guess at least 25% from 3-pt land... but they'd have to drape him to cover which would open up the drive.

Love the kid...just wish he had a couple of aspects to his game that would likely get him to Europe if not some NBA time.

I have so many problems with these kinds comments. First of all, they are overwhelmingly negative to players who have done nothing but play their hardest since day 1. Our team isn't great right now, but they deserve our full support and dismissing these kids as "crap" is disrespectful. Second of all, they are clearly blanket statements from people not knowledgeable enough about basketball to provide any real insight. Yes, Hill does not have the skillset to be our 2nd option on offense, which he has become. Hill benefits exponentially from Robinson's presence due to the latter's ability to move the ball, penetrate, and give guys like Hill good opportunities. Since (a) Hill is taking mostly bad shots from 3 due to our lack of creativity, (b) he is probably very fatigued which affects shooting, and (c) I think there is a mental block given what I've seen in warm-ups where against Louisville he wasn't shooting well. If you're going to make negative comments, IMO you should at least provide some actual thought like that. Not "Hill is crap."

Again, I wouldn't read too much into it. I believe he's inferring that Hill's play has gone to crap (not Hill himself).

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I've never felt like Ive wasted my time before watching a game.

I just watched a bunch of kids look like they don't want to play. So many looks from 3 that no one took. Everyone is going through the dribble stop look, what fucking defense is gonna bite on that? Within the first 10 minutes I could name the 3 Clemson players to watch for, not one VT player stood out.

We are so much better than this regardless of 5 being out but I felt like I wasted my fucking day getting ready and watching this game

Keep calm, Gobble on

the win probability chart on ESPN is depressing. Whenever we were within 2 points, they had us favored (slightly). Goes to show that the metrics think we're the better team. Can't beat the refs and the painfully timed Clemson 3s though.

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Well the metrics probably expected us to shoot better than 20-something %

It's disapointing and somehow encouraging at the same time.

We were in that game until the last 60 seconds shooting abysmally.

Expecting this team makes the tournament, I'm not sure how far they get, even with JRob. They've had a few extremely ice cold games like today on their resume now.


Our scoring output the last three games. Well below our season average. Last time we played GT, we only scored 52. Our next home game might not be any prettier.

Is it basketball season yet?

it never fails, the number of made threes against us by some no-name bench player.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

That's not why we lost though. We lost because we shot 28% from the field


"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Their entire bench made one three pointer. Shelton Mitchell is by far a starter and averages almost 12 points a game. Before his injury last year he was in the conversation for ACC player of the year and was a shoo in for 1st Team ACC but got hurt. Doesnt mean he should have had all the open looks he got but definitely not a bench guy

I thought there was a backup that came in and made a couple, if not, my mistake.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

It's bad enough when Bede is out there not looking to shoot the ball despite being wide open many times or never really bothering to attempt to shoot on drives, but its so much worse when everyone else becomes allergic to shot attempts as well. Blackshear was really the only one that stayed consistently aggressive (Wilkins was to a degree with his limited minutes tbf). Clemson got much more aggressive on defense once they realized even a little bit of pressure was gonna shy us away from attempting shots. This loss is definitely because Robinson is out and guys aren't use to filling the role his plays, (NAW being the primary initiator of offense, Bede actually having to look to score) but they really need to let it fly and live without the outcome. I'd rather live with a loss from an aggressive but terrible percentage than to lose being passive. That 2nd half from 10 minutes to the end of the game was just a big pile of nothing. If you're gonna pass up shots, at least drive and flop hoping to sucker a ref for a foul.

EDIT: Reading this back, I don't want it to sound like I'm totally hating on Bede. I'm just saying we know what his game is right now and he's not going to give you scoring. I'm just pointing out that we're already basically playing 4 on 5 on offense, so when everyone else is offense shy, we're in BIG trouble.

NAW + Hill + Bede + Wilkins: 6-37 from the field

Bede has absolutely no offensive game, Hill can't shoot at all right now (1-17 from 3 over the last 3 games - he was even missing most of his 3s in warm-ups against Louisville), NAW is not able to fill Robinson's shoes whatsoever.

We're just a bad team as it stands. We'll probably wind up being like an 8/9 seed in the tourney because I can't see us winning many of these games down the stretch. What a shame, we could have been so much better this year...

I haven't read all the comments here but by God when will our fanbase accept that basketball officiating is terrible and never consistent. Some of our fans act like refs only make bad calls against us. Watch other basketball games they're bad everywhere against every team.

Blaming a game on refs when our offense is miserably bad and we go 7 minutes without scoring and having guys completely not knowing what's going on is laughable.

(add if applicable) /s

Some of our fans act like refs only make bad calls against us.

While I'll agree that they don't only make bad calls against us (and for the record I agree completely with the premise of your comment), I believe that even without a comprehensive study, there are stats and data to support that they make bad calls MOSTLY to ABOVE AVERAGE against (this also includes missed calls on the opposition) us.

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This team is not a top 25 team without 5. And honestly my expectations for next season are extremely low. I have 0 faith in Bede, and even with Clarke and Nolley potentially contributing, I just don't see a PG that can be the engine that moves this team forward. This season has truly shown me the importance of 5. If Bede doesn't develop a jumper this off-season, it's a wrap.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Well shit, guess I'll just stop watching then.

"They'd rather win football games, you'd rather be sophisticated. Go like baseball loser."
-Colin Cowherd


Your choice 🤷🏾‍♂️

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

Very few of our kids have BIG summers. You have to add something to your game every summer... and come close to adding two other things. I feel like AW had a big summer. How we get these PGs who arent' further along in their sophomore year? Believe he thought he'd always be behind Pig. Developing new skills is very hard in-season in the ACC. With that said this summer I think he's got to learn to stop and pop, and he's gotta learn how to drive the lane. Yes he will be the arse kid at the playground that is always driving to the hole sometimes recklessly, and sometimes getting banged.... but to learn how to drive you gotta do it wrong a whole lot. I want to be optimistic, as this kid has a ton of potential and its not just on the defensive side of the ball. But he has to believe that he is the alpha male (developing) who needs to take the ball to the hole.

And at the same time he's gotta develop the stop and pop jumper. Be an arse for the summer, cut the hair a little closer, we'll be mistaking him for 5 next year.

Worth pointing out this system of hoops requires every one to be better with the ball than they are playing now. I was really hoping to see kids who had drilled ball handling skills for five days straight. As it is I can barely see a difference between this game and last game. Again summers have to be BIG if you want to reach the top of the ACC, Europe, NBA. AW wants to be a point guard in season... he's gotta dribble lower IMHO... means he'll be sitting at least an couple inches lower which totally messes with your timing, makes you feel slow to shoot and even pass. Hard to do in season, not so hard in summer. Not picking on AW, thought he had a big summer last summer.

This team develops some better skills and skill linkages this year, they could be a much stronger team when 5 comes back. Not seeing it yet, but hope it happens.

I know everyone is disappointed but we kept it to a close game even though it was a road acc game that we shot 28% from the field. Don't lose faith on this team, chances are our shots will fall better the rest of the year.

How much longer is Robinson expected to be out?

First of all, it's a given that when 5 is not in the game, this is a completely different and less talented team. Second, #3 is not an ACC caliber guard. I don't like to talk bad about our players but I just think he is in over his head right now. Too small without a killer jump shot (like Miami's little guy). Third, I have said this since Buzz came here (and I LOVE BUZZ) but we need height. One guy over 6'10" who is prone to pick up stupid fouls whether justified or not, is a killer. Clemson at one time had 11 blocked shots to our big fat zero. Injuries have been an issue this year but if you look back over Buzz's time here, injuries have always been an issue. Bottom line, 5 needs to get healthy ASAP or our season could really turn for the bad quickly. I still love the team but these are just glaring issues.

Just got to find a way to go .500 over the next seven games.

It's gonna be tough to go 3.5 - 3.5.

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