Fall Fishing Thread

OK, over 500 posts and my computer doesn't like it, so we say goodbye to the summer months and head into what a lot of people consider the best time of year for fishing.
With a hurricane looming and many of we coastal types a bit wary, it may be a few days before we know what kind of fishing will be around for us in the salt, but that shouldn't shut down the freshwater stuff.
Great time for smallmouth, and the season should help alleviate some of the crowds of summer on the water, and we haven't heard much from the trout fishing crowd lately, so let's dive into the Fall with our questions, suggestions, tall tales, fish tales and pictures.

I was scheduled to go floundering today, but with the impending weather event, I've decided to take care of stuff that I don't want to worry about in the wind and rain, so I'm off the table until next week. Somebody out there is catching fish, though, so let's hear from you.

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OK, just got an email from one of my oldest and dearest friends, Hokies together since the early 70s. He just finished building a house at Surf City, NC and of course, we're all worried about Dorian. On the brighter side, though, his neighbor told him a fellow anchored up in a boat and fishing mud minnows at the dock next to his caught and released a 38" redfish this week. He had already heard that the fishing along his dock and those around him was good, with black and red drum caught regularly, and he's psyched. We'll be down there in a few weeks and hope to get out. He just got a 21.5' Carolina Skiff with trolling motor, so hopefully we'll get in on some drum action if the 'cane allows us to go. We had a vacation house there last year and were unable to go because of last year's hurricane, so I'm taking a wait and see approach. Sill, good to hear big fish are in the inland areas there. He's pulling his boat off the lift and out of the water and leaving in advance of the weather and our thoughts are with him and all of our friends up and down the coast.

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Going to Carlisle, PA for the weekend to golf for the first time but will be smuggling a 5 wt fly rod with me even though this is supposed to be a fishing free trip we are going to be right next to yellow breeches creek which is supposed to be excellent if you have a trout mind which I dont but hoping some Joe Humphreys videos can help me figure some stuff out.

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Those golf course ponds can have some fine fishes hiding out as well, but it's usually not easy to fish them. My dad used to just skip a couple of holes and catch up with his buds after tossing bass bugs on the course ponds, but he was in good standing with the club and his buds and it was cool. Most courses forbid it, but the biggest crappie I've ever caught was a 2-1/2 lber from the Penn Park golf course in Charlottesville.

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Per the usual, you mentioned something that gets me fired up. Golf courses can kiss my ass when it comes to no fishing. I'll gladly ninja fish all of them. Seeing the destruction of the forests and farms around my home growing up for golf courses was so depressing, not to mention the years of constant construction traffic. Then on top of it the residents complaining about the noise our chickens and peacocks would make. I can understand them not liking a peacock call, but those people did move out to the country and the golf courses themselves would fire up sirens to alert golfers of impending thunderstorms, usually in the middle of the night, waking up people a half mile away. If anyone wants to read a highly entertaining story about me arguing with the golf course over the sirens, I'll gladly send it you.

I walked around one neighborhood course "trespassing" on Christmas and the no fishing signs were everywhere. They drained multiple farm ponds, killed all of those fish, only to rebuild the dam and refill them with dyed blue water. I haven't been back home in fishable weather but if I am, I'm going to go fish those ponds in plain daylight just to annoy the course management.

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Yeah I know why they dont want people to fish them but its kinda dumb and I've always enjoyed fishing them when the time is right. The one right by my familys place has the Conodeguinet river running along it which is great trout fishing as well so not going to be bringing bass bugs but instead some trout flies, though I believe my collection I use for the VA brook trout might be a wee undersized.

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Add in the nitrates and who the hell knows what else they put on all that green grass. The Pete Dye course is fouling the New River, not to mention all the riverside trees they cut down so their golfers could see the river better. Of course, float by there and count the hundreds of golf balls on the bottom and you know what those guys like to do while waiting to tee off. One of the local guides up there, an asshole from jump but I'm with him on this, once was floating by with clients and a foursome sent some balls way to close to his boat. He pulled up on shore and confronted the golfers, got the management involved and had his say. He and I shared the outrage and it was likely the last thing we ever agreed on, but I'd have backed him up in a skinny minnit if I could have.
I've played enough golf to understand the addiction, but I found pretty quickly that a bad day fishing is far better than a good day on the golf course, and it ain't even close.

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They've really trashed that whole stretch down through there. I'm glad someone spoke up. I bet a person could do some water testing and raise a decent stink.

That testing has been done, but with the Radford Arsenal nearby, I think the golf course gets a pass. Don't get me started on the arsenal.

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Totally agree. Everyone gets a pass it seems.

I grew up golfing and fishing so I had to learn how to respect both sides of the spectrum. A good way I always was able to fish the ponds was play a couple rounds at the course, get to know the guys in the pro shop, and ask to fish late afternoons after I would play. I almost never got turned down as long as I respected people passing through.

My three largest bass I have ever caught have come from the 18th hole of the Kingsmill golf course. My fishing buddy worked there as maintenance as a summer job throughout high school so they would let us fish after 6-6:30 in the summer (best time to fish in the dog days anyway imo).

These were about three years ago and the course was closed that day so we were allowed on a little earlier:
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These aren't my largest from that pond, just a quick link to some of the fish I caught there.

All were caught on 10" Zoom Ol' Monster curly tail 'Gooseberry' color.

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Fished the Mattaponi this am. 4 ditch pickles landed. Only saw one bowfin and he would not commit. Conditions were excellent. Very weird day.

Guiding on it again tomorrow and then Thursday I am fishing the Holston in TN, but for smallmouth on the lower section. Friday I drive to Nashville for a bachelor party. Will be fishing for future ex-girlfriends.

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Hey Hokiefly. Went on a float trip on the Shenandoah in early August when my family went to Massanutten for the week. Went out with Kevin Whitfield and Tommy from South River Fly Shop as our guides. They were great guys and a lot of fun to fish with. Told me to tell you hello.

Fishing that day wasn't great although we caught about three good smallies all on poppers (or my brother did). I got stuck with little guys (the 2016 edition according to Tommy) and a few small panfish. About three quarters of the way through our float, storms rolled through the surrounding areas and dirtied up the water shutting the bite completely off.

Still a fantastic day on the water.

Born and raised in Bristol. I really need to go back and do some fishing down there. The North Fork up through Saltville is a "hidden" gem for smallies.

Yep. My biggest smallie came on a tiny torpedo just above the bridge going to Hayters Gap.

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Ha! Small world. I went to high school in Saltville. Hayters Gap is a good spot. There are some 5-6lb plus smallies in there.

Fun fact time here. My friend and oft mentioned fishing guide Chuck Kraft is responsible for the Baby Torpedo. He ran a sporting goods store for a while in Charlottesville, and talked the Heddon rep into having a bigger version of the Tiny Torpedo made for him. He just thought the Tiny was a bit small and was always into bigger fish on the James. The rep talked the factory into making a gross, in one color (I forget which) only and he used them and sold them and wanted to order more. Next thing you know, the Baby Torpedo was rolled out. Once I discovered the Baby, I never bought another Tiny, but the Tiny certainly catches a ton of fish

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As you know, I love to fish, especially with my family. I have fished with some combination of my 6 kids at least 4 times in 2 weeks. We don't always get to the water this frequently, however a combination of holidays, boys trips and new piers at our local fishing hole has given us some windows to wet the hook. Below is a recent trip I took with my 7-year old son. We were invited to travel with some other dads and their kiddos to a private lake owned by an oil company, a 10 acre stocked bass pond sitting in the middle of 700 acres of hunting grounds. We drove through a mile of mud, two locked gates, 500-head of cattle and active oil rigs/pump stations to get to this spot. It was beautiful. We took out a small "pond prowler" boat with a trolling motor to reach the deeper pockets. We pulled up about 10 bass on the day, the largest in our boat being 4 lbs. I both celebrate and regretfully say that we did all this during the BC game. It saddens me to miss the Hokies play, but I was also grateful that I avoided the highs and lows of a disappointing loss, all the while spending time with my boy. Was a win-win for us Texans. We fished from the bank early, then finished the afternoon and evening on the water.


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Good stuff!

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Cobia report: The same guy I went with on Monday caught 14 cobia yesterday sight casting. Two were 50"+. They still seem to be inland of the CBBT which is odd for this time of year. They were sight casting, I'm assuming pitching live eels and bucktails.

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Lack of catching (10" flounder and a blowtoad) this long weekend at Sunset Beach. I had issues with my new kayak which was only part of the issue along with the winds and tides. I had one of the fins on the pedal drive come unthreaded. I lost tension in my rudder so I couldn't steer regularly. I have fixed both of the issues now. The pelican catch 130HD fishes well. I was able to maintain position while dock fishing and fishing oyster beds in creeks. Can stand up easily and paddle while trying to sight fish flooded grass.

I've fished the pier there but I've never had much luck. Have you been able to catch much there before?

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I had some very moderate success in the past two trips. On my own, I've caught a few undersized flounder, a 17" flounder, spike speckled trout and random assortment of trash fish. I went out with a guide last May to learn more about the area. Caught some undersized flounder, a couple nice black drum, couple small trout, and busted off what we think was a big drum. This was all in the sound area.

Was just there a few weeks ago and there were a few ladyfish, flounder, and some puffers from the bank.

Fishing Tubbs Inlet or just a good looking stretch of beach? It was blowing out of the East when I was down there and Tubbs was pretty rough water. Looked drummy but didn't have my heaver.

Mackerel from Australia
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Looks pretty identical to our Spanish.

Yes. Although it fought more like a trout. This was the only gamefish I even saw besides one giant herring (about 12 pounds-looked just like a ladyfish) and a big giant trevally (50 pounds) that looked like it wanted to try and eat this mackerel when the guy used this one as bait.

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Interesting. Bet it was cool to see the GT. I know that's a bucket list fish for people.

It buckled my knees. I went to buy a Penn Fathom combo at BCF (their version of a Bass Pro type outdoors super store) because they had the combo priced at $119 american dollars for their father's day sale. But, the local store was out of stock. If I had hooked that fish reeling in the mackerel, I think it would have been a quick tragedy. All I had was a Tidemaster 10-20lb fast action travel spinning rod and a 3000 Stradic.

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Australia is a bucket list place to fish for me. Giant Trevally, Queenfish, and Barramundi on the inshore and the Murray Cod in freshwater. It really is a top notch place to fish in the world!

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Watching River Monsters added alot of fish to my bucket list. The murray cod look like something that would be unreal.

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Murray Cod are phenomenal because they act like a bass....except grow to insane sizes. They still eat jigs, swimbaits, etc. You could be in a small river and catch a couple that are 5 pounds then hook into a 30 pounder in the same place with the same bait. Mental stuff!

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Need to look into stocking them in a pond here would be nuts if you could get a fish that size in a small lake here.

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Wipe out everything in the pond!? Probably have a time getting them into the us!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

I want to go back and catch trevally and then head north to go marlin fishing.

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GT's (GEETS as my buddy has told me they call them when he went) are one of the hardest fighting fish in the world. Sheer muscle and power....like a Jack Crevalle that took bull shark testosterone.

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After tackling the jack crevelles this spring the GTs are definitely up there hell the big JC's are a horse on medium heavy gear they can kill you but man theyre fun fish I cant imagine the big ass GT's like they catch in the indian ocean.

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"Who was that guy?"

"I don't know, he was wearing a mask."

I always thought the buffs looked stupid. But if it isn't too hot and you can keep them from steaming your glasses, they are a life saver.

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I will Post humpback whale footage once I have it uploaded.

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Whale footage from Platypus Bay (also where they catch black marlin off the beach and on light spinning tackle in their summer). Also, if anyone wants koala or me feeding a wallaby footage, I am happy to share it.

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This is the same area where we were whale watching. I really want to go back and try this on light spinning gear. You fly fishing guys would eat this up.

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That is surreal. It hurts my head to see marlin be caught in that kind of setting.

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Something that has passed me by and I will never do is scuba Australia.

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Saw 15 bowfin today on the Mattaponi. They wouldn't show until dead low. Shots at 8, Four hooked, two landed, along with two small bass. Client was cool except for stepping on a spin rod and snapping it like a twig. I should have told him to properly stow it. He offered to pay for it, I declined. Hope to fish with him again soon.

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Inbetween my vacation/hurricane prep got back out to my parents lagoon for baby tarpon. Turns out there are a couple bigger ones in there. Hooked into one that was at least 24" got him jumping all over until he tangled the line under the anchor for the fountain and that was all she wrote on the next jump,

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Will be interesting to see how Dorian effected the outer Banks with the direct hit I'm sure there's substantial damage to piers on the ocean and Ocracoke got walloped again waiting to hear back from the rental company on the state of it all

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Avalon pier is gone.

RIP Avalon and NH piers. 😔

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Do you think they will rebuild?

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Still waiting reports from my two friends with houses on the NC coast. One in Nags Head, an older cottage off the beach a couple of blocks, the other in Surf City, also a couple of blocks off the beach. We're scheduled to go to Surf City in two weeks to a rental that we got hurricaned out of last fall, and it is ocean front, so we're wondering. My buddy's house there is brand new, he'd moved in 8 days before having to evacuate. Well elevated and well built, he's hoping for the best, and my buddy in Nags Head wasn't too worried about more than typical shingle damage. Hatteras got slammed, the piers obviously took a severe hit, as they are so prone to do, and Ocracoke is out of business for a while and seriously flooded. Next day or two should provide clarity, and our rental is the least of the worries out there, but for all concerned, I hope things can get rolling again down there asap.

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Yeah, we are supposed to head down to Nags Head next Saturday for a family vacation. Waiting to hear the status of our rental. I believe the house is new construction so fingers crossed it held up well.

Where's the beef?

Our house last year only lost a bit of boardwalk and stairs to the beach, but the island was so clobbered, they shut the rentals down.
Hope you get to go, and the new construction is a plus. The folks down there depend on you and yours getting there and spending beaucoup fluce to keep them fed this winter.

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I would love to be able give them a lot of my money! Hope your friends down there are all safe.

Where's the beef?

My Surf City buddy is back down there now and reports no discernable damage. He said the locals said the beach was now wider.
Still don't know about Nags Head. Fingers are crossed for there. My friends there don't live there full time, so they didn't stick around. Both sets are seasoned beachers, though, and take hurricanes seriously enough to abscond when advised.

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Ocracoke got hammered and route 12 is washed out in multiple spots so itll be interesting to see how badly its damaged but last year it took 3 weeks to repair the road so I would guess similar time frames with this washout being worse. The Island itself is shutoff has no potable water and no power so only essential folks are down there to help clean up after the flooding and the rest are being evacuated out of there until water and supplies can get back down there. would also imagine the channel needs to be dredged in a serious way.

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Portsmouth Island is undriveable at the moment. There were some cuts created from the sound to the ocean side.

I'll be running the whole backside of Portsmouth from Lookout next week looking for redfish. Will be interesting to see the changes.

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Still waiting for an update from the realty company on my families house on Ocracoke but should be okay as high up as it is we keep the bottom floor empty for a good reason

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Okay trout people I need some guidance. Spent the weekend scouting mountain streams and Yellow Breeches Creek in Pennsylvannia all weekend and man those bodies of water are fishy, didnt have a license due to time limits but will be going back up in october to give it a swing. Only issue I havent a clue on nymph fishing unless its under a dry fly so if anyone has any advice on what flies might work I'm all ears. The creeks and rivers are limestone based and have plenty of big rainbows and browns and the mountain stuff has good populations of brook trout.
Any advice on trout fishing is welcome I'm going to do some serious research into a good fly shop to go to in the area and today found a few floatable stretches which should allow me to hit more remote stretches.

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Tennessee report:

Fished a lower section of Holston with a friend in his drift boat on Thursday. Target was smallmouth. Pretty flat and slow moving section but the surroundings looked like the New. My friend invited a local guy to fish with us as well so he could show us the secrets of the river. This guy was as local as it could get for East Tennessee and only threw olive flukes with black flakes. He did pretty well with them and caught several up to 16" but none of the monsters he bragged about being in this section. I matched him fish for fish on the fly, but it took me hours to figure it out. They wouldn't touch any of my staples. I fished everything. Nearly every fish he caught puked up brown and olive crayfish. They wouldn't eat any crayfish flies. I finally locked in on them on a small chartreuse minnow pattern that has been my most successful smallmouth fly ever, except usually I use white.

The boat ramps were littered with garbage, which was frustrating. I picked up a lot of it and got some strange looks doing so. One good fishing section was filled with hundreds and hundreds of discarded tires. So depressing. The local guy didn't find them to be an issue or eye sore. He was a nice guy but being a conservationist of his local waterways didn't seem to be a top priority.

I enjoyed the float, it was 11 or so miles and we were on the water for 14 hours. Long day and I was beat from fishing and rowing but as a boat we probably landed 60-70 fish overall. Biggest at 16.5".

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As for Nashville...... wow. This will be a two or three day hangover. The fishing on Broadway is off the charts. I'm not joking, looking at open jobs there this afternoon. I could make that move. Such a cool place, great food, great music scene, everyone is happy and having fun, lots of beverages, best fly shop in the country and the actual fishing in surrounding waters is very good, loaded with trout, musky and smallmouth. I cannot wait to get back.

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As for Nashville...... wow. This will be a two or three day hangover. The fishing on Broadway is off the charts. I'm not joking, looking at open jobs there this afternoon.

I recently took a 4 day weekend to Nashville. I will never be back. Not because I didn't have fun or I hated it but because I do not think my body could survive going back to Nashville.

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New Orleans is the same for me. Damn, did I have a great time both times I've been there, both Sugar bowl trips, '95 and '99. Way too easy, way too smooth and fuzzy, and waaaaaayyyyy too dangerous for long term survival. Glad I went, and I won't swear I'll never be back, but I get your drift about Nashville.

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As the one and only Jimmy Buffett says, "livin' and dyin' in three-quarter time."

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Man. Makes me miss middle Tennessee. Definitely some of the best fishing, both kinds.

Fly South Fly Shop?

Yes, right across from Hattie B's. That is the most well stocked fly shop I have ever set foot in. Talked with the owner again, he couldn't be nicer. The guys that work in there are great.

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I agree. I spent many lunch hours in there when I lived there. I really could use a Caney Fork trip right about now...

I keep hearing about that river. Smallmouth in it?

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Probably. But mainly managed for trophy trout. One of my most frustrating days of fly fishing (ever) was watching a pod of at least 8 roughly 22-26" brown trout sip midges for over two hours and I had nothing close enough to get them to eat. I threw everything I had and they followed several offerings but never committed. It's an absolutely gorgeous river too. I received a warm welcome and great advice from the folks at this forum: Trophy Fishing TN

Nice day out today on the salt, but the fish were disinterested. Caught several of various species, but not much to write home about. One nice trout, one nice bluefish. We were mainly getting my buddy's Grady trailered to a ramp and back on the water after the hurricane and some maintenance, so were were less than serious.

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Have the tides returned to normal post Dorian in your area?

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Seem to be.

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Cool, thanks!

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They still biting the usual stuff? Gonna be down there this weekend was gonna take the canoe for a spin and cast at a few docks if the weather holds

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Yep I'd be willing to bet so, but other than yesterday around Gwynn's Island, I haven't been out since the blow.
I did watch local guide Chris Newsome chum up some small stripers for his fly rodders yesterday there at the bridge and he was working a couple of nearby docks as well, so I'd say it'll be worth it for you to give it a try.
By the way, my buddy Hal up the Piankatank is considering selling his Carolina Skiff. Don't have specifics, but it's a smaller one with maybe a 50 hp 4 stroke and a trolling motor. Sure would up your game locally, but I know you have a lot on your plate with housing and marrying and all. But do let me know if you have any interest and I'll check into it.

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Let me know if that ends up happening. I have a friend around Mathews that's been looking for a little skiff like that.

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Will do. He's waffling. Bought it a few years ago to explore up Dragon Run and around the upper Piankatank where he lives, but keeping that and his old Grady up and going is starting to annoy him.
I have emailed him and asked for the particulars and I'll let y'all know when he responds, but I think he's still trying to talk himself into justifying one way or the other.

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Any details I'd look at just out of curiosity probably couldnt afford it at the moment but I'm interested atleast. any additional info is welcome. I'm gonna get me some gulp and see what the east river holds this weekend and will report back if I find anything.

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If memory serves me well, it is a 15' skiff with a 50 yamaha 4, don't know the years of either. Not sure on the make/model of the trolling motor, but it's only a couple of years old. I've fished out of it a few times, seems good to go. He bought it maybe 4 years or so ago, and I believe he paid 2 grand for it then, but I won't swear to it. He keeps his gear in order, though, so if the price is right, it'll be a good boat for somebody.

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Ahh well thats more my price range if he decides to sell pop me an email on it and I'll check it out.

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If and when.

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Well, that didn't fly. My friend has decided to go another year to see if he gets enough use of the skiff to justify keeping it, but when he decides to dump it, and he likely will in the next year, I'll let y'all know.

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Good for buyers, value drops 10% a year!

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Gheenoe's the design intrigues me. Seems like a suitable small water, back water craft. I live in northeastern N.C. so that is the area that would see the most use. Any users thoughts would be welcome.

A few folks in here have used them and some have one still theyre a nice boat that are straight forward and simple to use and you can rig up in a million ways if you want.

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I know Fly Guy had one and maybe Dave had one. Could definitely be a good backwater weapon.

Dave bought a solid, though very used 15'4", but probably should have bought Flyguy's 13' when he had it up for sale. The 15' 4" is rated for more HP and load. I put a TM on the front and I can stand and fish comfortably. However, the back seat is further from the transom than I'd like. I have to pivot all the way around to start the outboard and change gears. I'm old, and getting measurably/noticeably lazier and less flexible by the minute.

The Gheenoe is in fact a backwater, skinny water "weapon". They will also do what the manufacturer claims in open water, but it is not a pleasant experience in a chop. Will you sink? No. Will you be happy about being in a Gheenoe at that moment? Also no. However, if where you are fishing is remotely suitable for a canoe, it will be fabulous for a Gheenoe.

I live on a backwater tidal cove in St Augustine and right before Dorian, a young couple in a 13' with a 9.8hp and TM on the front came in there fishing on the super high tides (it's not usually a very good place to fish for more reasons than I can explain here) so I walked over and asked him about it. He had done what I did...buy a used one and fix it up. Said the 9.8 didn't overpower it, they just had to take it easy in the wind out on the ICW. So take that FWIW.

Gheenoe is a very good option for some applications. But there are other options as well, especially if you are going to trailer whatever you get.

Had a 13' for a year and a half before buying the Hewes. I liked it. It would be an excellent Pamlico sound boat chasing redfish on the flats. I would only go on mostly calm days. It would not be fun in 20 mph wind. They have some great stability. I could stand up and pole or fly fish in it without much worry of falling over. It would float in 4 inches of water with me and a friend in it.

Rated for a 5 Horsepower. I had a Honda 5 on it that wouldn't get it up on plane, the engine never hit full RPM. Couldn't say how it truly performs at maybe 12-15 mph?

What scares me about it is no bilge. That thing gets some water in it.... not going to be good. I'm sure one could be installed. I do not think they take wakes well in my opinion. Went through some in some deep water with my girlfriend at the time and splash came over the bow. A bit scary for a mid-February redfish trip.

They are badass boats. I thought the 13, despite being told it could be put on top of a car, was too damn heavy to do it easily. I ended up put it on my kayak trailer and that was a pain in the ass.

A friend of mine has the 15' for fishing Mosquito Lagoon and he loves it.

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Going out tomorrow. I still have yet to throw my fly rod that I've had for nearly a year now. I've had one creek that has had a fish in it every time I've hit it. My only goal this weekend is a fish on the fly.

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Nailed a solid 16" trout on a skitter walk. Followed that up with a small redfish on a doa CAL. Then picked up the fly rod...it had been over a year since I casted and the 15mph wind didn't do me favors. Luckily we were in small creeks and didnt need a ton of cast distance. Threw Flyguys slider missed on a small red. Then saw a small bonnet head digging around in the shallows figured lol he won't eat this. He tried but I panicked and figured my redfish leader probably wouldn't hold up regardless.

Nothing on the fly today. Winds are supposed to be worse tomorrow.

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Didnt even try on the fly today....gonna have to get better at casting in the wind.

Did manage 4 trout that were 1" under and a flounder that was 1" under all on swimbaits.....was really hoping to dial up some ceviche but one trout isn't going to make much.

Edit: forgot the highlight of the trip. I've taken my dad fishing a few times, he doesn't get to go much and hasn't fished much since spincasters were popular. Every time we go out the wind howls he has never caught a target species while fishing with me....today he caught two trout and it was awesome.

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That IS a highlight.

Alright. Heading to Nags Head tomorrow. Whats in the surf and what are they biting on? Thanks!

Where's the beef?

Puppy drum and trout if you can find a hole. The chartreuse or white gulp with a red jig head will get both. Small chunks of fresh mullet chunks on a dropper loop double hook bottom rig (do not use the wire double hook rig they sell in tackle shops!) should produce small puppy drum.

I know people have been trying for big drum, but outside of Rob's wife, I have not heard any surf guys getting one. She got hers at the Oregon Inlet jetty.

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Thanks French. Will using the wire double hook rigs greatly reduce my likelihood of catching something? Im lazy. Hah.

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In my experience, yes. Greatly. I tie my own in advance by the half dozen or so. Put each one coiled up in a zip lock bag and stuff in your tackle bag. I use fluoro.

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My opinion is that it depends on what you're after. Panfish, like spot and croaker don't care about the metal and clunky appearance in my experience. Definitely, trout and reds are more likely to bite a more subtle presentation. Another fish that doesn't care much one way or the other is the bluefish. Give 'em meat on a boat hook and they'll eat it. I often will buy the steel leadered stainless hooks with the bullet float on the wire and use them with cut mullet on the top hook, with fishbites or shrimp on the bottom hook using the stouter wire two hook rigs they sell. You can still catch drum with them, but I do agree that a fluorocarbon rig will likely catch more drum. Also, I've noticed the smaller the drum are, the more likely they are to bite such a rig, but mainly it's the prevalence of numbers. If the surf's full of them, they'll bite it readily as school competition comes in to play. I've also caught numbers of 2-7lb reds and blacks on wire two hook rigs off of Ocracoke when the water was full of them, so they will hit them situationally quite well. I just wouldn't count on it always being the case.
I have a reputation for being lazy, though in fishing I can be pretty anal, but if all you're after is the typical smallish surf dwellers, nothing wrong with the wire two hook affair. If flounder are around, you might want to have a freshwater rod and toss Gulp chartreuse swimming mullet, 4", on a red gotcha style jig head at least a 1/2 oz. The flounder are often fairly close in and are always on the bottom, so a slow bottom hugging retrieve is in order. This will also catch the attention of blues, drum and trout, and you'll be losing tails if you get bit much, but it's a lot of fun as opposed to sitting around drinking beer and waiting for something to hit your surf rod in the sand spike (NOT that there's anything wrong with that!). Again, though, flounder will hit the regular rig, but if they're biting and you want to target them, lose the metal rig for more productive fishing. If they're in the surf and hitting bottom rigs, you'll catch far more on the Gulp rig than the bottom riggers, and likely bigger fish as well if they're around. I am also a shameless imitator. If I see someone doing well in the surf, I grab a beer and go a-talkin' and askin', and do what I need to to get in on the action, but just as often, I have folks coming up to me.

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Use 30 pound mono or fluro and tie using a dropper loop. See this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0uFJez60xk

For the record, puppy drum are my white whale. I have caught big ones, but can't catch the smaller ones. Also, the dropper loop knot is without a doubt the hardest besides a bimini twist for me to tie.

ADDENDUM: My buddy Jake got a big drum yesterday off Jennettes's.

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Thanks. Im here for a week so i'll try my hand at tying one up myself. Its pretty rough here. Saw surfers catching 7-8 ft curls earlier.

Where's the beef?

Drum water. Buy fresh cob mullet and use the heads with a 10/0 octopus circle on a fishfinder rig on the beach near Oregon Inlet. Several nice ones were caught yesterday and today. Will be tough fishing in rough water, but they will be chewing.

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Rough water also brings in the bluefish. You'll maybe need to get a sputnik style sinker to hold bottom. Wish they'd have had them back in my heavy surf fishing days. Let us know how tying the bottom rigs goes for you. I've used hundreds of the wire ones and caught thousands of fish on them over the years, so I don't have the same aversion others seem to have for them, depending on the quarry.

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I have not caught an American fish since June. Arkansas on Tuesday. Saudi Arabia on Sunday. #Soon

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Where in Arkansas?

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Conway. It is a fly in Tuesday, fly out Wednesday deal. Then Sunday to Saudi Arabia, following Friday to Missoula MT for a wedding, then Monday in Allentown PA. Then I am f'n done.

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Flyguy has no contacts in Missoula?

Not off the top of my head, but I do know people in most places. Ask around at a bar, you'll probably get a free beer or a punch in the face at the drop of my name.

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I am not there long enough. My schedule:

9/27- depart Riyadh at 1:45AM- fly to Frankfurt, Germany at 7:15AM
Depart Frankfurt at 12:20PM, land at Dulles at 3:15PM
Go home and shower, grab a different suitcase
Depart Dulles at 10:15PM for SFO. Land on 9/28 at 1:15AM
Depart SFO on 9/28 at 6:00AM- Land in Missoula at 11:15AM

Go to hotel. Shower and change.

Wedding at 4:00PM
Reception
Sleep at hotel.

Up at 5:00AM. Depart for Denver at 8:00 Sunday AM 9/29
Arrive in Denver at 9:55AM
Depart Denver at 5:00PM. Get home at 10:30PM

Drive to Allentown PA on Monday AM.

I am fooked.

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Jeez dude. That blows. Can you take a week fishing trip after all that shit? I hope so. You have my extreme condolences. Good luck.

Planning to take off at least Oct 18-27, and hopefully another week.

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That trip would literally kill me now! Tell me they send you first class or at least business!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Business for the trip to Saudi and back. Montana will be in economy.

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Hoping this next hurricane stays south and just whacks Florida instead of curling up to NC. Sorry Dave and any others down there.

I am heading to Cape Lookout for a few days either tomorrow evening or first thing Monday morning... Fishing on my mind. French, hope I catch a big one for you.

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May a 15 pound albie be in your future.

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Flyguy will beat me like a rented mule but I'm headed back to Chick R tomorrow. My buddy with the boat has a HO for it. What can I say.

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

A buddy of mine just bought a mountain house near bentonville. Any insight on good spots in the area?

Where 675 crosses the south fork of the Shenandoah River north of Luray has a low water bridge adjacent to another bridge. That area has produced good fishing for me pretty consistently as far as bank fishing goes. Floating the entire stretch of the south fork is always a fun time. Good numbers and size of smallmouth are available. And can't ask for much prettier a river and scenery. Mossy Creek Fly Fishing does guided trips and they've had pretty good success this year it seems, based on their social media accounts and fishing reports.

Finally got out in the mobjack and found some tailing reds yesterday morning tides were perfect for the sunrise trip and after messing around a bunch on saturday I managed to get 7 drum in the boat and 9 speckled trout, a few lizard fish, a small small flounder and a very determined spot. Never thought I'd find myself chasing tailing reds in VA so that was a great time gonna go back next weekend a few times to see if I can try some other areas I liked the look of but never fished it since I found some spots that were actively producing. Most of the puppy drum were in the 12-16 inch range with one with 6 spots. Did however find a few big ones tailing and got one I stalked for a bit before he finally fell for the shrimp he ended up being 24 inches and felt a solid 6 pounds. Then snagged another around 21 inches that managed to almost pull me under a dock before I weaseled him out of the pilings with one hand holding the pier to keep from going below. Nothing beats getting dragged all over a creek to start the day. Loved seeing tons of small speckled trout everywhere no big trout today but so many dinks it brings me some hope the good numbers are returning.

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Sweet! That looks like a hell of a good time.

Very cool, 'nator. I haven't found the tailing reds yet, and my trout neighbor Hokie Paul, fished yesterday with nothing but dinks to show for it. His big red was 16". I have been hoping the reds would filter into the local scene as September rolled on. The 21" you got would've ended up in the skillet had I met it. Those Gulp shrimps are the real deal, aren't they? I have 3rdGen to thank for my conversion, and I won't hesitate to thank him any chance I get.

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You have taught me plenty Fish. That's the beauty of fishing with other people. You learn something from everyone you fish with.

Agreed. Hoping to fish with both of you again soon when I get off the road.

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Same here French! You need a break

To you and 3rd thank ya for the bait reccomendations once I figured out the pace they wanted them at it clicked and I was getting fish almost every cast. The water felt significantly cooler this weekend as well so wonder if thats what turned the reds so far inshore. I still have plenty to learn on the salt scene but this is a good start and I kind of know what to look for next weekend when I'll be venturing further out to try other creeks. Set out thinking I could atleast snag a ribbon fish but only got a few lizardfish on saturday had one big fish eat but pull off in the pillings on a pier as well damned barnacles.

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The mobjack was on fire this past weekend. A friend and I caught 15-20 trout, 7 keepers including a fat 22" on Saturday. Two of my friends fished it Sunday and caught 20+ trout. Another friend fished it Sunday and caught 10+ puppy drum and a few decent rocks. The trout were on artificials but the drum were on peelers.

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What did they get the rocks on by chance I was pitching artificial shrimp and getting into lots of the small trout but no big ones unfortunately was hoping to snag some rockfish somewhere this upcoming weekend. Wonder if I need to try a swimbait for the rockfish. Hard to beat peelers for the drum though if I hadnt have gotten them to bite the shrimp I was gonna chunk a crab to throw at them because seeing them tail I knew they were hungry.

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I believe they got the rockfish on peelers also. I think the biggest rock they got was in the ~25" and the biggest drum was ~22".

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Not much can turn down a well presented peeler crab. Might get a few gulp ones to chuck at some piers to just test it out.

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The stripers will eat that Gulp shrimp in a heartbeat, and they absolutely love the swimming mullet as well. They seem to like a little higher hop on the retrieve than the reds. I get the trout on them both on the bottom with my usual incremental retrieve, but also on the shrimp when keeping it twitching in the middle of the water column.
Really glad to hear about all the drum out there. Between the Hokies on Sat. and my birthday stuff yesterday with Mrs. Fish, I was out of action this weekend. Chores are keeping me around today, but these reports have me thinking about getting out tomorrow.
And don't neglect the bait that worked best for us that year the drum were shallow and plentiful...namely, Gulp (of course) Jerk Shad, rigged on an offset worm hook fished weightless in the shallows and around the grass. The hook tip can be skin hooked for a weedless presentation, but if you land it near them, they'll blow up on it like an M 80 went off. We used mainly 5", but as the fish averaged bigger, went to 6" for the extra weight and longer casts. Used 4/0 Gamakatsu or Owner offset worm hooks, but would also use 5/0 for the 6" baits. For us, chartreuse and white combos worked best, but we also got them on electric chicken color as well.

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Happy birthday fish heres to many more! Do you guys use popping corks or not then? I was getting bites without a cork but once I switched to a popping cork I couldnt get away from the fish the trout in particular went nuts even the drum tailing in the shallows werent spooked by the rig landing near them. Was gonna rig up another rod with a more subtle approach for this weekend upcoming to try and be more stealthy or atleast trail a mullet or swimbait behind the boat incase a flounder is around. Gonna try some of the scented shad baits Zman has as well as gulp to see if they work but the gulp stuff held up well for me this weekend better than I thought it would atleast. Also I was working a 1/8 ounce long shank hook gotcha head the shorter bigger hooks didnt seem to get good hookups like the smaller longer hook as well.

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I don't use popping corks. Trout do love them, and I see a ton of people using them out there, but I haven't had any trouble catching trout when I find them on my old tried and true. As for when the reds were around and feeding in the shallows, we're talking 6-10'' of water here, popping corks weren't indicated. Those jerk shad cast a country mile on light line, so you don't need the casting weight, and those fish weren't going to miss seeing the baits land if they were anywhere close. We were also having to work the jerk shad high up to avoid bottom and weeds, so they made their own kind of noise and ripples as we would hop them up and even out of the water on short jumps. I've heard of guys even trolling with Mirrolures under popping corks, they definitely do have a use, I just haven't migrated there yet. I did dedicate one entire day to throwing peanut bunker under popping corks, but all I caught was bluefish, and little ones at that. That was a year that trout weren't plentiful, though, and reds were nonexistent inshore. I talked to some guys the other day who'd been fishing the Guinea Marsh and they had some nice trout on a popping cork with a curly tailed grub under it, but also said they did just as well with Mirrolures. Go figger, I guess, but I think if you find the fish, many approaches will suffice. I am constantly reminded that there isn't a fish out there than can only be caught one way.

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Popping corks can be useful but most of the time I'm looking all around and can't singularly focus of the cork. Most useful in shallower water. You want the leader to be shorter than the depth of the water so your lure is elevated off the bottom. You probably want 2.5'-5' of water to use it. It does force you to fish slower which is a key for trout especially when it gets colder. Another different fishery is using bigger popping corks on the Neuse River big drum run to cause lots of noise to draw the attention of the drum. People are using them from 5' to 20' of water. Either way you can only use a couple feet of leader or else it gets tough to cast.

To answer both of you guys I was fishing deeper drops from 2 feet to 8 feet of water sticking to deeper stuff but even in the 2 foot sections on the oysters bars the cork worked to good effect. Beats the hell out of me how a large clunky thing making racket improves chances but I'm all for it working as well as it does. So I'm assuming you guys just straight rig it on a gotcha jig and play it slow so I wasnt far off at the start just wasnt going slow enough I guess. I was damn happy to have some 15 pound mono leader around for that though with all the crap I was fishing around the big drum did a number to my leader on multiple occasions and the trout didnt seem to mind it. Contemplated chucking my electric chicken colored paddlerz made by Z-man that are scented paddletail baits but thought they would be too big and clunky. I couldnt keep constant track of the drum either it was briefer surface stuff wonder if a gurgler fly would work as well.Think a flounder would prefer a a shad bait or a shrimp more slowly pulled behind the boat? Kinda want to get one to finally catch a decent one after too long of a time not seeing any.

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I have heard different things but one is shrimp popping on the surface or other game fish feeding. I generally take a 5 second pause. Line to popping cork to 18" to 2' of leader and a 1/8 or 1/4 oz jig head. If it's only 4" it wouldn't be too big. Shad would probably be better but Fish uses the curly tail mullet for flounder.

Huh I was popping more often then 5 second waits. That said I would slow it down to longer than 5 seconds just to try it since this is all brand new stuff for me. I was working it on a 3-4 foot leader on a 1/8 ounce jig head figured the lighter the better to give it a slower action. The next few trips will all be experimental as well to keep trying to open up the world of inshore stuff to me. Just thought if flounder are about drifting a mullet or swimbait along the bottom behind me might pick up a odd flounder or two.

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It can work but they are hitting it on the fall/pause most of the time. Correct thinking on light jig head. That could work as long as your bait is scented.

Huh the more you know I guess I prefer lighter stuff anyway now that you say it the pause was when I got most bites if I noticed some movement I'd hit a slight twitch and let them have it till the cork made a big move and as always let them set the hook themselves. Gonna try out some Zman big eye jig heads as well just to see. If they wont hit the scented gulp trailed behind the kayak I'll throw a flounder rig on and chunk a menhaden on it.

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Gulp will work for flounder, but I wouldn't just drag it along and expect much. If you aren't going to work the bait, use the flounder rig and chunk o' bunker. Better find a better place to catch them, though. The few I've caught in the East have been the kind you can put in your wallet and not notice. Or read the newspaper through them. I'm catching more in the North this year than ever, but all shorts as well. Just not many flounder to be had locally, but who knows, you might get lucky. They'll hang around docks also, and like the reds, will lie in the shade on a hot day up under the dock. Flounder hang out where lizardfish hang out, so if you're getting one and the other's around, you should know. They hit the same stuff, and supposedly are every bit as good on the table if you can get one big enough to bother with.

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It's giving scent like bait would though with potential to get more action. A drum fishing seminar put on by tournament anglers, they would make a carolina rig and put gulp shrimp as the bait since they can only use artificial lures. I've caught a few nice flounders by leaving lures unattended on the bottom so it's not the worst idea.

Yeah, I've done that too with them just lying, not decent flounder, but if you're just dragging them around, it seems like the bunker might attract more attention. Croaker are famous for eating Gulp lying still, even after the tail is gone. Maybe drag it under a popping cork and give it a twitch between casts and paddle strokes?

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It works but it's not something I'd say is effective. I was fishing a gulp behind a cork off one side of the boat when my bud started nailing trout on the other so I left it still and got my other rod. Caught a trout then my other rod bent over from a red that was fun.

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My $.02...

Go to WalMart, Academy, or Green Top (on line) and spend no more than $4 on a 3 pack of Storm 3" (1/4 oz) bunker color WildEye shad.

Buy EXACTLY this. DO NOT substitute any other size, brand, or color. And DO NOT pay more than $4.

If you get them, tie one on with a loop knot and fish it with a slow to modest, comfortable, steady retrieve from the near the bottom to the middle of the water column. Your 2-8' water is perfect. Cast it out, let it fall (unless you are over oysters), and swim it back.

I would be shocked if this doesn't consistently catch fish. I consider this kind of the gold spoon of the swim bait world and I have one and often two rods rigged with them every time I go fishing.

edit: This one...red eye, hint of bronze, translucent holographic belly, dashed lateral lines...

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I will buy a pack Dave. I've never really settled on a swimbait I love/fish consistently.

My only catch in Australia was on this size storm shad in the peanut bunker color.

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I do agree with your choice, but have also done well with the croaker color. Good advice on size, color and presentation. Stripers, errr rockfish here, do like this bait for certain, and I got two bookend 10 lb gray trout one night off of the CBBT on the croaker color. The 3" size works for a variety of sized fish, too. Good call.

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My buddy who introduced me to this bait about 15 years ago went on a guided trip down in the Port Orange area last year just to learn his way around. Guide starts fishing with his stuff, the other client (another friend of ours) follows the guide's lead. After my buddy is quickly up about 5 fish on both of them and they haven't had a nibble, guide says, "so, what's that you're throwin'? I think I gotta get me some of them".

I'll give it a look and grab a pack for the upcoming weekend, the ideas in here are giving me plenty to think on gonna try to get out both saturday and sunday and try some new areas unless theyre back where I found them this weekend. Funny how with all the insane innovations in fishing tackle that the old tried and true spoons and storm shad can get it done.

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I don't think scent matters at all if the bait isn't still, paused, or suspended. So the profile, sound, light reflection, and movement is everything. All this bait lacks, in my opinion, is a rattle tube.

I don't think this bait will always outperform others. I've had a lot of luck with Slayer tails and I'm going to try some Zman baits this fall. But if I'm starting from scratch on what is the hot bait or I'm just trying to find fish, my first 2 choices are the storm shad and a gulp shrimp.

The Zman swimbaits are my staple in florida the diezel minnows in 3-4 inches caught everything regularly in pilchard color and if we had brought more gulp we wouldve stuck with that but the toothy fish dictated we needed something tougher.

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Red jig head with a gold sparkle Diezel minnow is my money speckled trout bait in the OBX off the piers. Love them.

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I lucked into them one year fishing the Bay Bridge Tunnel for stripers at night, and won't be without them since. I carry a few different colors, including the chartreuse/pearl-ish ones that schoolies love, but agree that Storm Wild Eye is the only one to buy of all the swim baits in all the world. I do like the darker colors at night and the lighter ones during the day for stripers, but that could be an unfounded supposition as I haven't done a comparison test. Calcutta makes a good swim bait as well, but if I could only have one, it's the Storm.
As a guide in my day, I always encouraged both using my stuff and not using my stuff if that's what my client wanted, and depending on where it came from, like Mizmo Teaser Tubes from Ken Penrod, I'd adopt a well performing bait. 95% of the time, the guy using my stuff caught more fish and the other guy would be using it within an hour, but that 5% was helpful to me to grow my experience. At first, it rankled me that a fellow would spend so much money to go on a guided trip, then ignore the guide's advice, but the proof was in the pudding and even the more stubborn of them came around after their buddy was up by double digits or got an early citation on my baits.

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Yaeh, my buddy went with the guide just to learn how to get around in a new area (he recently retired and moved). If the guide had produced on something different, I'm sure he would have switched.

I like the red eyes for down here. Only 3 wild-eye patterns come with red eyes...the mullet color doesn't come in 3" and the golden mullet isn't translucent. The latter loses side by side to the bunker every time...we've tried...a lot.

For me, Storm also comes with a better hook than Berkley and other clones. Maybe it's because they are owned by Rapala VMC, maybe not. But it's less bendy.

VMC makes a good hook

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Looks like a mummichog color combo to me.

Also, I can tie that in a fly. Give me a few days when I return home from NC

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Hell I could net a few chogs and use them too if I get desperate I remember the days as wee kids we would use small flies and try to catch mummichogs off the pier. Desperate times

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Pretty fish! BG workin' for ya?

Loving it with the mojo bass rod as well. Needed every ounce of the drag on the 3000 for that bigger drum he pulled me around for a nice bit left right too and fro. The family got a good laugh watching me get pulled around the creek in the kayak and to my joy the rod handled well considering it was under alot of pressure. The 21" fish was under a dock and I had to horse him out from the pillings which aint easy in a kayak but the rod did the trick. The rods sensitive as hell which is great for slow bouncing jigs and artificials and getting a good hookset so they dont swallow the hook.

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excellent!

Well done Hokienator. Sent a close friend of mine to Mobjack this morning and he only caught two small trout.

Perhaps I need to stop traveling so far to get my ass kicked by the wind. Yesterday evening they were calling for 8-10 today at Cape Lookout and 10-12 Tuesday. Well at 4 pm today it was blowing what I would say was 18-20. Got the crap kicked out of me trying to find bull drum. Tomorrow they are now calling for 14-18 with gusts to 22, and Wednesday 18-22 with gusts to 30 and Thursday 22-28 with gusts over 35. Good reports of reds, trout, spanish and lady fish off of the beaches, but that's not worth knocking the cartilage out of my knees.

Photo of my boat blowing around in the wind

Trying again tomorrow morning and then deciding whether to head back home to RVA or pray the weatherman is wrong in the other direction for Wednesday and Thursday.

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Maybe this blind squirrel found the acorn but we will see this weekend gonna try again to see if I can find the bigger drum again that was too much fun. Nothing worse than when the weatherman gets it wrong, or right for that matter.

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I think you were on to something fishing up the creek instead of in the main water. I wouldn't have been fishing there had I gone out, I'd have stuck to the main rivers and ignored that skinny water you found the drum in. You are literally the only person I've heard of that has caught more than one over 15" in a day. Couple of folks have lucked into bigger cruisers, but not more than one in a day, and they were targeting trout so they weren't in that backwater stuff. They're getting some big ones sight casting out around the Spit as they're looking for cobia, but you seem to have won the puppy drum award from what I've been hearing. I've been here for 7 years now and still haven't seen even one tailing red even when they were plentiful and shallow, so maybe you should concentrate on that creek stuff. Hope the wind settles down for you this weekend, it's scheduled to blow for a few days. I'd definitely have a jerk shad or fluke rigged up weightless, you'll enjoy the action if you find the fish.

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I have seen exactly two tailers in all my time fishing out there over the past seven years. Have seen some schools of the puppies swimming around but most I have caught have been blind casting.

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I'll keep to the spots that are similar to what produced last weekend, found them saturday evening then thick in the morning definitely influenced by the tides though once it went slack the action dropped and 11 am rolled around and it went quiet. I've never seen them tailing before here so hoping this wasnt just a fluke couple of them wandering in one morning but we will see, if it blows bad I'll just bring an anchor and find covered water I wasnt planning on running out to the mouth unless it was gonna be calm. I'll grab a fluke or two and keep them ready. Gonna have the fiance with me this weekend so if theres a fish around she will find it no doubt.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Better to be lucky than good! Sometimes it just happens that way. Bad thing, they have tails and no homes, so they might move on ya!

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Thats my only worry is that by saturday they will have moved on but we shall see it was fun to get something that sized inshore for once. Makes ya think about moving to texas or louisiana for the fall or winter months.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

So, what do I need to know about zman baits? I know they don't store well in certain plastics and will melt/bleed on other soft plastic baits.

If I leave one on a painted jig head, will it take the paint off? If I leave one stored on a rod, will it mess up the finish on the blank? If one is lying on the bottom of the boat, will it mess up the gelcoat? Will they melt the eye on their own trout eye jig heads?

They are stretchy!

Had one left on a jig head and it never took off the paint.

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there is one plus!

Don't store them with other soft plastics...best to just keep them in their bags but they are fine in planos. They do not screw into screw lock jigs. Sometimes they're a pain in the ass if you don't line the hook up just right and go to redo it the hook doesn't want to backout.

Don't have to worry about them affecting paint, gelcoat, or rod.

Absolutely the most durable soft plastic on the market.

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Second this, I found out the hard way dont put them in with other plastics or they melt and gel and its messy and oily as hell. Just do what he said keep em in the bag it can be somewhat cluttery but you'll be able to make em last much longer that way. They are nigh destructible just be sure to hook it straight when you put it on or youll get twists in your line as well. The chinlok hooks they sell are perfect for weedless rigging regular offset worm hooks wont be able to hold the plastic up on the hook as well if you have nibblers around to tug on the baits tails.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

The straight hooking is essential on all plastics, especially the ones with resistance tails like paddles or curly tails, and even for cut bait if there's current or you're dragging it. When walleye fishing, I tip my jigs with minnows hooked in through the mouth and out through the top of the head, and if it isn't straight, the jigging will twist the line to the point of having to fix it, generally by cutting off the bait and letting the line out into current or dragging it behind the moving boat to straighten it out, a pain in the butt.
As for melting plastic, Gulp will flat out melt too if it is in the hot sun too long. My buddy left a pack in the top pocket of his black fishing bag on a 90 degree day, and all the curly tails on his swimming mullets melted into each other and he lost more than half a bag of that high dollar stuff.

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The Zman stuff is weird it doesnt like somewhat melt it goes straight into a melted sticky goo pile of unreasonableness that you can hardly tell used to be a bait. I'll add a picture up later when I get home of my one box thats I discovered this weekend.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Were you using swimbaits with em? look good for stuff like shrimp baits as well.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Swim baits and DOA shrimp.

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so thread it on like a regular weedless offset?

yupp

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good! something I need to spend money on, lol.

Anyone been to Primland, or fished around Primland? Going next week (Tue-Fri am, then hopping up to Blacksburg for the Duke game) and hoping to hit a few of the ponds. Any local knowledge down that way would be nice.

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You strollin' through some high cotton there nerf.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Scheduled a few nights away with the GF after she received a substantial bonus check a few months ago. And works out with the VT game. AND with the baby coming between Thanksgiving and Christmas...one last hurrah away.

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Blowing 30-40 in Cape Lookout. Back home in RVA for 3 days, then heading back Saturday post blow.

I did get my trailer lights completely fixed and working today.

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"fixed and working today". Operative word, ''today".
Heading to Surf City Saturday for a confabulation of 15 of us Hokies (well, all but a couple), friends since 71-72. We'll do a little fishing, but a lot of "friending". Also getting a drive by breakfast with my old Highty Tighty buddy who flunked out with me back in '69 after our first sophomore semester. Haven't seen him in over 40 years, so we'll have a lot to catch up on in a couple of hours.
Drum have been the target down there, so I'm hoping to get a bunch of puppies and who knows? My friend who built down there has a Carolina Skiff (21.5') a 115 Yamaha 4 stroke and a trolling motor, so we'll have the right craft to work the docks on the ICW side. Looking forward to that.

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enjoy!

Yes, today is the operative word.

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Dave, here is my version of that swimbait you had posted previously. I personally think the color combo is more "mummichog" than bunker/menhaden.

I'm debating putting a lip on it to make it wiggle like a Rapala.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2nm3XPBx3l/

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If I can find the puppy drum this weekend I'm bringing the shrimp and M4 flies you tied me to see if I can get one on the fly.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

that's a great pattern! you really, really, really have an eye for it.

don't know "mummichog"...same as a mud minnow? Ours are a little greener/than the gold in the swim bait, buy yeah, pretty close.

This is as close as I've seen to the Storm in the store in a soft plastic; in hand it's actually a little lighter than the photo. It is a saltwater assassin color pattern ("panhandle moon"). I have some but have never fished them much and can't really comment one way or the other. That tail doesn't generate as much motion as I like : )

I've used my share of assassins, but mostly in the fresh water. I know people here speckled trout fishing that use assassins regularly and swear by them. I think they have something going for them despite the tail, and the action of the retrieve puts that in play. I've caught a lot of fish on them hopping them out of the water and doing the top water twitch, and a more aggressive tail wouldn't hop out so cleanly. Just postulating. I haven't been using them since I discovered Gulp, though, and my old stand by the Super Fluke sits in the bags and boxes. Flukes and Jerk Shads have a do nothing tail themselves, and also caught and catch plenty. The Gulp shrimp we]ve been using also just has a flat tail, so I've now tied myself in a knot trying to figure it out.

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I've always liked the assassins that the tail goes down to a point. They seem to have the craziest action.

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My favorite bridge rockfish lure, by far. But, they don't hold up well if bluefish are around. BKDs are really nice too.

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They don't hold up well to anything. I got 4 bit in half last weekend. I'm assuming trout but honestly with how that plastic is I wouldn't be surprised if it was a drum.

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Mummichog / killifish = mud minnows from what I've read over the years. I'm sure there are a variety of species all called the same thing.

I only called that color combo mummichog because the bunker / menhaden imitations I tie are white and olive with a splash of pink and chartreuse. The lure you posted looked more brown / pearl to me. I've seen "mud minnows" from several different colors of all olive to black and olive, black and pearl, brown, brown and white and the very coolest that I found in NC, an olive variety with a bright orange belly and white tipped fins. Of course I'm going way into semantics here, but I'm a nerd when it comes to marine life, so I digress. Throw a fly or a lure in a natural color at a fish and if properly presented, 60% of the time it works every time.

I like hearing the opinions on fishing colors from anglers all over because it is so interesting to see what we each have confidence in, like your red eyed jig head with brown and orange and blue flash. I love doing unique color combos like that and it makes tying even more interesting.

If anyone else has some specific color combo they love, post it on here and I'll turn it into a fly.

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Anyone know any good boats to go out on in the Ft. Lauderdale area? I'm going to be there for a week and am trying to out out at least once.

Short report because I can't keep my eye lids open. Got down to Cape Lookout yesterday, headed straight to my favorite flat. Another gill netter on it. Sigh. Poled it for an hour an a half regardless. I was ten seconds from moving to a new spot when I saw some shrimp jumping out of the water. Nice red was lit up, looking for them. My fly landed five feet to the left of him and he crushed it. 27" on the dot. Drank 10 white claws to celebrate and watched an incredible sunset.

Today I found albies but they were eating snot and not staying up. Did some serious exploring, I bet I covered 100 miles today. Rode my boat from the tip of Cape Lookout all the way through Beaufort Inlet, up the ICW to near the end of the Neuse. Found some bait and threw a pop-n-fly with a special clouser on it. Monster redfish appeared underneath of it only 10 feet from the boat, but wouldn't eat. Almost gave me a heart attack. Easily a 40inch plus fish.

Guiding the next two days.

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