Caleb Farley FMIA Column

Caleb Farley wrote a piece for FMIA, Peter King's weekly NFL column:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/02/lamar-jackson-ravens-nf...

While I don't believe he intended to criticize VT specifically, his description of what made him uncomfortable is not a good look for the school. He states people are going to Myrtle Beach and then returning to campus with no COVID testing, and on at least one occasion they were all packed together without face masks.

I'm sure more players will opt out across the country, and I for one am doubtful there will be a season this fall anyway, but still the school should be making every attempt to keep players safe while they are there.

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Sadly VT has been silent about testing numbers, so they won't have much of a leg to stand on if (when) this is confirmed.

I believe most colleges will try to be as non-transparent as possible regarding testing numbers because of how quickly it's going to ruin the thin veil of "we can do everything pretty close to normal this fall, please send us your tuition money** (**that is 100% non-refundable)!"

At High Point this summer, during their 'Summer Advantage' program - basically pre-college for those already on academic probation lol - they had a student test positive for COVID. Contact tracing linked him to a couple of close friends he had spent time with in close proximity, and they were told to quarantine. Yet despite this, High Point refused to administer tests to his friends to see if they had also contracted the virus. I truly believe schools will do similar things to limit the number of cases on campus to give off an air of normalcy. And I believe it's not only unethical, but irresponsible as well.

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most places are going to try and plausible deniability their way through this and it is grossly irresponsible

This year at Virginia Tech, at our workouts, I started having deep concerns about staying healthy. Guys were going home, going to Myrtle Beach, coming back to campus, and we weren't getting tested. We're all together, working out, close to each other, and you have no real idea who might have it, if anybody might have it. One day I looked around, and we were like 100-deep in our indoor facility, no masks. My concern grew more and more.

His peek behind the scenes makes it easy to understand why he opted out. On a non-football level, this is all very relatable, the worry of your physical bubble popping.

Agree. If my teammates were not taking this seriously I would have opted out as well. All it takes is one person to compromise the team, and if multiple were out there not following distancing protocols and coupling that with limited or no testing then this was a no brainer of a decision.

For me this also puts a whole lot more context in to what we're seeing in the PAC-12. Sounds like there are similar safety issues, the only difference is the players in the PAC-12 have chosen to do something about it.

This part of the piece instantly made me think of baseball. That's basically what's going on with MLB. There's really no standards beyond what's in the ballpark. Guys coming and going, loosely regulated masks wearing during workouts, etc. And as we've seen, MLB is having a breakout issue with multiple teams that if they don't course correct quickly, will wreck them. You gotta think the same thing is going to happen with college sports or any whose guidelines are that loose.

If I was a PR person, I don't think that's the stance I would be taking

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Most coaches wouldn't. At most the PR department will develop a blanket statement but you never put yourself in a position to even appear like you are contradicting a valued player.

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If I was a PR person, I don't think that's the stance I would be taking

Seems to be a recurring theme with us lately

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Fuente not wanting to comment on something others feel is important? Weird

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Fuente not wanting to jump into a buzzsaw? Smart.

Fuente isn't the guy to tapdance this kind of thing.

I'm not sure he meant it in any kind of malicious way but him adding that Fuente tried to talk him out of leaving instead of supporting him doesn't come across as the best look either.

Lot of ammo for the anti-Fuente crowd here.

IDK, he also says that Fuente was gracious and supportive once Farley told him his mind was made up.

I'm much more concerned about having lots of unmasked players together in one space.

I don't anticipate many programs will have people practicing and playing in masks.

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If you follow the players on social media, it's really no secret what some of them have been up to. I'm probably more surprised that people are surprised to hear that college students are going to the beach.

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EDIT: it was fixed when I refreshed the page

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accidentally hit the downvote to -197 instead of the upvote to +4 but fixed it in less than a second... immediately though to myself "gee hope nobody saw that"

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I don't know that it's surprising, but this article does a couple of things:

1. Puts in front of NFL fans that may actually be less aware of college athletes' lifestyles (most are likely not following VT players' Instagram accounts)
2. Ties that behavior and a seemingly insufficient response to Virginia Tech

Sure it may be true at most colleges and maybe VT isn't any worse than other schools...but this write up made it about VT and exposed it to a huge number of NFL fans.

Boys will be boys, every program in the country will have at least one player to go full Lou Williams.

Which is why we won't have a full college football season. They're kids, soon to be surrounded by tons of other kids. The entire football team could be perfect, and it still wouldn't matter.

To me the issue was they weren't tested coming back.

Or to expand on that, the fact that it seems like we are not doing any testing at all.

I mean isn't being unmasked together just going to be inherent to the sport and to college in general? I don't see how they're going to have in-person classes, dorms, showering, eating halls, football practices etc on a college campus without this occurring on a wide scale.

Exactly. If we're not comfortable with a contact sport come Fall, I can't see there being any football, and I don't exactly see players wearing masks during games. Now, maybe the plastic face shields on the helmets would be a good idea, but to force players to wear anything more than that would be ridiculously unhealthy. Some of these behemoth lineman would be hyperventilating or worse on a regular basis wearing masks, and don't ask them to run a no-huddle offense. That could be deadly.

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I think it would be easy to think that but unless there is a significant difference between the nature of running and playing football (which there might be - I don't know) ,this story would seem to say otherwise

A few weeks ago, a doctor put on six surgical masks at the same time to prove it wouldn't affect his breathing. He wore a pulse oximeter, a device that measures oxygen saturation, as proof. Unsurprisingly, the medical gadget confirmed his blood oxygen levels stayed within normal parameters. Another doctor performed an even more audacious task to dispel the hypoxia myth; he ran 22 miles and monitored his oxygen with the same type of device. The conclusion was identical: Face masks do not reduce the flow of oxygen, even if you're running and need a much higher intake of air to supply the increased oxygen needs of the muscles.

Dr. Tom Lawton from the Bradford Royal Infirmary in Yorkshire, England decided to run with a face mask on to fight misinformation and the spread of fake news about face masks. His oxygen levels never fell below 98 percent during the course of his run โ€” any value of over 94 percent is considered normal.

That being said, I do think there is a mental component. When I'm wearing I mask I definitely feel like I'm not breathing as well, even if it's just in my head, and I imagine that could be a factor that the study doesn't take into account.

So the conclusion seems somewhat flawed. The article says "Face masks do not reduce the flow of oxygen". Surgical masks are not the same as an N95 mask, even if you're wearing several of them. They allow airflow around the edges where N95 masks have a better seal, as well as thickness. Surgical masks, because of the airflow around them, aren't going to be good for close proximity. My understanding is mask protects against spit particles that would contain coronavirus, whereas the social distance protects against aerosolized virus particles that a surgical (or similar) mask would not by diffusing it into small enough concentrations that would prevent infection. Or am I misunderstanding? I haven't been reading the Coronavirus threads, so hopefully not contradicting something in there. But if my understanding is true, this "study" only demonstrates that one type of mask that allows air flow around the perimeter won't suffocate you while exercising, not prevent virus spread in close quarters.

None of this is a good look for VT and the Athletic Department.

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Glad he spoke out about what he saw. It may not be a good look, but that could be what's needed to start a push to safeguard players health.

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So the NFL isn't going to let people go to the beach?

Sure.

Not at all what I'm saying. If a player makes the decision to go out and get some vacation, then there needs to be health conscious consequences enforced by the team. More frequent testing and taking steps to self isolate.

Farley is making it sound like he could go to the beach, come back, and not have any extra precautions from the team. That's the messed up part.

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When it comes to actions that effect a large portion of people, I totally agree.

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Not trying to be a "I'm sure this is the case on most campuses" person but that's literally it. I can guarantee you it's happening everywhere and it is an easy excuse to pull to sit this year when you're likely going to be a top pick regardless. He can workout where he feels safe while also minimizing his injury risk. Hell he gets a year of not even risking a concussion and still being able to potentially sign for millions. That in itself is huge. Let's be real, amateur sports really shouldn't be happening at all this year until it's all under control. They aren't being paid (yeah yeah schollies etc) so they shouldn't be forced to make to make a decision between their and their family's health and playing ball just to put money in other people's pockets and entertainment.

Yep. There is no standard across the board anywhere on how to handle this, it's literally different state to state and even county to county within the same state. It's total butts.

This is probably going to come out for a lot of schools but given that Farley is the first high profile college athlete to opt-out, we're going to go through the ringer.

I don't blame him one bit for coming forward with this either.

Does not paint the best picture but probably similar experiwncesto 100+ other programs around the country...

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I wish I could give you more legs for creating the word "experiwinces".

It's brilliant.

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No really, don't. That word was perfect and should be acknowledged as such.

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What's crazy is a whole group of players when a VT equipment person posted about the work they have done with trying to create a barrier to be worn with helmets a few players were quick to to say hell no they would not only not be wearing it they wouldn't play this season if required to wear it. That VT equipment person quickly deleted that tweet. So not only is this an issue that Tech staff should be asked about but how do you deal with players who flat out refuse to wear a mask? Bench them? That's not going to be a great look.

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Probably will be a moot issue since there won't be a season.

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Equal parts hindsight and disastrous policy and monitoring. Uggh do better VT - this is people's health we are talking about here.

Is the Fu and Vice mask picture just the latest version of the staff-sitting-around-the-table-post-Baylor picture? It's a bummer that Justin doesn't feel the need to give any comment on things that seem important to the overall program. There's a staff that can help him with this, he doesn't have to scribble notes on the back of a Dasani wrapper in the heat of the moment.

It's inexcusable to have that many people in the beamer barn while not wearing masks. Very bad look for us.

Agree with the concern, but current VA phase 3 guidelines allow gyms to operate at 75% capacity with no mask required while exercising.

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Phase 3 also says that all employees are required to keep a minimum of 10 feet distance and wear face coverings, and everyone is to have a temperature screening before being allowed to enter the facility (note: will be interesting to see if that PAC-12 effort becomes a reality and if the students will become "employees" of the state, in which case those first two things would likely apply).... Caleb's interview didn't exactly say that those things were NOT being done, but he also didn't say that they were being done.

Could be a staged photo op, or could be business as usual but here are two employees wearing face coverings

I wanna see face masks, and not the 15yd penalty variety.

It also requires 10ft spacing to be maintained.

the Beamer Barn is a large enough volume of air that it is closer to being outdoors than indoors. Especially when all the garage doors along the practice field side are opened up. You cannot play / practice football without getting up close and personal with other players, so a team gathering in a large, airy space is not a big concern to me relative to the other exposures they're going to be having.

The lack of testing is more concerning to me. Without regular, frequent testing there is very little chance of containing/squashing an outbreak.

Pretty good piece by Farley. Also this part:

So last Monday night, I went to Coach [Justin] Fuente's office. I was so nervous. I just took a deep breath and told him my decision. He tried to talk me out of it. But I was firm. What I will always respect about Coach Fuente is, he said he loved me and will always be a Caleb Farley fan. That meant the world to me.

'he tried to talk me out of it' sounds pretty bad, although it might've been a 'I think it would be better for your career to stay' conversation. Either way, the ending of this paragraph is good.

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Of course he did. I'm glad Farley was honest about it. The cliche that coaches spout about not trying to encourage players one way or the other and only prodiving "info" is total bullshit. Of course Fuente tried to get him to stay. Fuente is paid to win games, and Farley is arguably his best player. If the walk on running back comes into Fu's office, its a different conversation. Anyone tells you otherwise is full of shit.

I'm seeing more and more people on boards and click bait articles that are failing to actually read the last bit of that quote.

It's 2020. Nobody reads articles, they read headlines.

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And they only do that because they want to post a response based on what they already thought before they clicked it.

Also, it's a bummer to think that the inability to adhere to strict COVID standards for the team cost them a generational talent at CB.

Farley isn't going to be the only "generational talent" to opt-out of the season, he's just the first one to do it.

He's the only one at Tech though, and maybe it's wishful thinking to believe that tighter restrictions would have kept him here, or that there will even be a season...but they wouldn't have hurt.

If Hendon or Tre were in the same situation as Farley (projected first-round pick with a unique family situation), I think they made the same decision. I think maybe Dax is the only starter who would have stayed.

Hoffman definitely leaves if he was the first O-lineman off the draft board given what's going on with his mom.

Granted, it's a bad look but IMHO, even with the tightest regulations, Farley was going to leave. Pure speculation on my part.

Getting off-topic but is Farley a "generational talent"? Kendall Fuller was on the field less than 5 years ago.

I love Farley and feel awkward even posting this since I don't want to knock him. I'm just thinking he is one of multiple DB's of his caliber at VT in the past 20 years (a generation).

Those terms get thrown around a lot, and it lessens their true significance, but he is a 6'2 200+ corner with 4.3-4.4 speed and is first in all the detailed coverage metrics. Ypa per target, QBR when targeting, etc.

He's definitely not a common-type athlete, at the very least.

perhaps "generational draft prospect from a Hokie perspective"

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No, I get it, I just needed to hype a Fuller. I don't know if Farley was in a position to be the #1 overall pick, which does seem to be a generational thing in this program, but he was in a position to be the highest pick since Vick and the highest DB pick since DHall, if not higher (DHall went #8 overall).

People wanted him benched 2 years ago. DLo and Kendall are generational talents as has been pointed out. Farley made one all acc team

I mean, he was coming off an ACL injury, it was the first time in his life he played corner and he'd just lost his mom..and the 2018 team may be one the most toxic locker rooms in VT history lol

Not trying to be a dick but Kendall and DLo were in different situations as freshmen. Not disagreeing with you, but not apples to apples comparison.

Damn good player, best player this century never coached by Beamer, generational talent status was within reach if he stayed and balled out.

Getting off-topic but is Farley a "generational talent"? Kendall Fuller was on the field less than 5 years ago.

Five years is a college football generation.

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Love Farley. D Lo Hall- an all american, top 10 pick, and multiple NFL pro bowler, and likely hall of fame indcutee is a generational talent. Farley made one all ACC team and has had trouble staying healthy. Just being realistic here.

So when does the interview come out where all of Clemson's first rounders talk about how safe they feel?

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Today is a bad day to have an athletic director and head football coach who believe everything can be kept quiet and behind closed doors.

Obviously the COVID protocols will be above Fuente's level....I'm honestly interested in what Whit Babcock is doing this afternoon. It's a national story. Respond to it.

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Correct. political pressure alone... the media will be all over the "you are making them play during an epidemic but not paying them" narrative. Huge shitshow.

My prediction is they're still going to try. We might get a game or two in before something crazy happens that forces the season to be cancelled.

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I've seen rumors that the big games like OSU-Michigan and RRS are being moved up to the start of the season, so I agree they'll probably have 2-3 games and see how it's going then.

Not sure when he saw the 100 deep, but I was under the impression that some of the work outs weren't sanctioned by the school. I thought a lot of players returned to school early and were able to do work outs, but coaches and others couldn't run those due to NCAA restrictions.

If this is the case, then I'm not surprised at all that Fuente wouldn't comment and that things may have been running a bit ramped. If you have a bunch of college kids with no authority there, do you really anticipate them being strict on themselves?

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Thanks for sharing this. I assumed this was the case since it isn't air conditioned but nice to have it confirmed. With the context of a giant open air facility the bit about practice seems much less concerning.

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This is a fabricated story at this point. Coaches should not answer direct questions about current or past players and the damn beamer barn is an outdoor facility...they were following guidelines. As for testing, I would think that is beyond the head coach.

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Disagree that it's a fabricated story. Are you saying Farley statements were not made? And as HC, CJF is responsible for the football program, so he is responsible for PR involving the football program.

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And the statement is out now. Coaches don't answer calls from reporters because they could easily get trapped fielding questions for which they don't have data for. Delaying the response was absolutely the correct move.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Being opaque in the first place was the wrong move. You're missing that here.

I agree with you a lot about program transparency but this is a situation where I feel like the more information you give the more questions you get and the more you have to explain when things fluidly change.

If there would have been more transparency, I am not sure it should be coming from Fuente either. Yet he is getting blamed for a non issue today.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

You have every right to have this opinion and I'm sorry you're getting down-voted for it.

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I won't downvote you for your opinion, but I'm going to disagree with you here:

His continued closing off of the program to fans/general public is ridiculous, especially considering how much he is paid and it's a huge part of the job or why he gets paid.

Where in his contact specifically does it mention that he needs to keep his program open to fans and general public?

I'm real sorry that you feelings get hurt because your aren't told every single detail of every single coaching decision. But that's literally not his job.

Full disclosure: I'm not a CJF apologist or think that he's immune to criticism (he's not). I actually have concerns, however "closing off the program" isn't one of them.

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I have to disagree here because I've seen several credentialed VT reporters/related sports media members comment that the program became more closed off under Fuente. I do believe they have made recent efforts to rectify this and open things up more.

Unfortunately, they really haven't. I'm very happy TKP is not dependent on media access.

I'll definitely defer to you. I should have clarified that their recent steps have been baby steps like increased social media access and YouTube specials. That doesn't really signify that the program has given increased access to media members.

I shouldn't have to qualify this, but in no way would I ever expect to be "told every single detail of every single coaching decision." as you wrote. I never meant that, because that is ludicrous. It is common knowledge among every VT fan that the program is now more closed off to the fans/general public under CJF, so I shouldn't have to refute this. And my feelings aren't hurt. I guess you misunderstood my post. CJF needs serious help with PR because that "IMO" PR is his biggest weakness, whereas with Beamer it was one of his strengths. And PR for the VT football program IS part of his job as HC. Dabo certainly is the face of Clemson football, and Beamer was the face of VT football. They both excell(ed) at PR.

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Are we surprised that Fuente struggles so bad at PR? Recruiting and PR go hand in hand and we aren't exactly good at either.

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Fuente is definitely not great at PR but I am having a real hard time pinning anything today on him. He declined comment on a sensitive player related issue (something every coach would do) and a cohesive pair of statements was released from the school/Fuente.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I think the issue was that this whole thing could have been avoided if proper precautions were taken. Fuente & Co didn't think far enough ahead to realize that if something 'leaked,' it would be a bad look.

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It's just another brick in the wall of why Fuente, at times, doesn't seem like the best leader for this program. Multiple off seasons of insanity, lackluster recruiting, and most recently closing off 2019 with UVA/Kentucky/Baylor will do that to you.

While today's comment, or initial lack thereof, seems like a minor misstep on its own, it's part of an alarming pattern at this point.

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This is the pattern. When media doesn't get a story one gets created. In this case, it wasn't even bad journalism. A bunch of beat writers posted Fuente denied comment, and the National vultures jumped on it. This was NOTHING.

Transparency could soften the edges, but in this case transparency is just as likely to invite more attention to a matter no coach or program wants in the spotlight. It is a lose lose because this whole fucking pandemic is a shit show.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

You're blaming the wrong party here.

A bunch of beat writers posted Fuente denied comment,

That is actually the process of good journalism. It means the local writers took the time to reach out to Virginia Tech and Fuente and asked for a comment to include their side and perspective in their story before it was published. That's a balanced approach to journalism, and every communications professional should understand this.

It is shame on Virginia Tech athletics communications for, at the very least, not responding with a statement with their side, which would have been included in any story, and then subsequently picked up by the national folks.

Direct your ire at the proper party.

I don't disagree with you. I don't blame the local sportswriters. But I also don't blame the school for having no immediate comment about a player's specific comments. The statements that did follow were not that delayed in reality wheras during that small window real time it was presented as crickets from the administration. My bigger point is that now that the cards are on the table, it is a non-story but folks were presenting it as some sort of last straw for Fuente.

Edit: an original answer that a statement would be forthcoming would have been better than no comment. Which may or may not been the intent but was obviously not communicated that way to those inquiring.

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I stand by original statement, I think Tech wasn't proactive enough to help create / control narrative. (That's been a theme several times now.) I did however, misread part of your original comment above. I thought you said it was bad journalism, that's why I pointed out it wasn't. My bad on that.

Media moves so fast these days, it's critical to respond with a statement. There was about a 2.5-hour gap from Norm's original tweet until the first Tech statement came out (or at least hit my inbox). That's an eternity, Tech has to do better.

This is a bit of a sidebar: I mentioned it to friends in a private conversation, but Tech needs someone stronger in communications department to push Fuente out of his comfort zone. Similar to having strong voices challenge a CEO or founder. It provides balance. I have reached out to Tech multiple times since about February with a variety of interview requests and they have all been denied. That's all free publicity for Tech that they're squandering. The department doesn't leverage the local beat enough either. Those folks have a tough job, and no access makes it tougher. Look at the work they did before, they basically wrote fluffy features about the players from the local areas the paper cover. Now it's squat.

It's weird how they started that video series with the coaches and players and seemed to be giving fans (I'm sure not the media) more of the "access" they wanted. Then it just seemed to stop. Do you guys have any insight as to why there weren't more of those videos?

COVID happened. Now we get the "Take it to the House" series m. Which I post every single one of them on here. But few people comment that they are watching so not sure it is reaching the audience they want.
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Ugh, I must not be TKP'ing hard enough. Just got done with an insane month though.

Thanks for the link!

It is crazy that a 2.5 hr gap is considered slow, but I agree if that is the demand they need to work on their comm department.

Curious if you have listened to the sons of Saturday podcast? I haven't finished it yet but I thought it was an excellent glimpse at Fuente.

Also, I thought the most cringe worthy statement was the one about travelling players not being tested. The statements seem to subtly contradict that which makes me wonder if there were trips made under the radar?

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Whenever Fuente opens up and engages he is great. Very candid and cerebral. He's a pretty smart guy. Whenever I hear him speak to the "fanbase" I initially think two things:

1. Given the time, he is the right guy for the job.
2. Why the hell doesn't he open up more often.

I know he's a keep to himself guy, but he's doing himself and the program a disservice by not opening up on a regular basis.

The only thing I'd add is Fuente may have seen this as a very sensitive issue regarding player safety and wanting time to formulate a response, so declining at the moment in order to prepare a response. I know I've read "was not immediately available for response" which I take to mean the journalist attempted contact, but didn't wait for a response if the person didn't answer right away and didn't want to wait on a breaking story. I don't know how common that type of thing is and if that was Fuente's motivation, but if so, I can understand wanting to take the time to craft a careful statement about player safety. The problem is that because Fuente has been so closed off to the media, the assumption always seems to be he just doesn't want to engage (and it feels like a fair assumption).

For what it's worth, I didn't think your original comment violated any guidelines or warranted a negative response. It was a stern different perspective for sure, but you kept it inbounds.

https://hokiesports.com/news/2020/8/3/football-virginia-tech-athletics-s...

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"The health and welfare of our student-athletes and staff, as well as the Virginia Tech and surrounding communities continues to be our foremost priority. All Virginia Tech student-athletes are tested for COVID-19 and screened before being cleared to participate in any athletic activities. In addition, follow-up testing protocols are performed on a regular basis in accordance with Centers for Disease Control, ACC and NCAA recommendations.

"In addition, daily screening protocols and monitoring measures are in place in accordance with the standards established by the Commonwealth of Virginia, Virginia Tech and Montgomery County public health officials. An abundance of caution continues to be utilized to ensure all equipment and facilities are sanitized and cleaned appropriately.

"Student-athletes and staff have been issued personal protective equipment to wear in indoor areas. The Beamer-Lawson Practice Facility continues to be utilized in an open-air configuration in accordance with health department guidelines

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The only problem with that article is you have a now former player saying the testing was not done in accordance with the article.

(Edited per comment below).

That's not true. The only thing in the interview article that might be in conflict is what Farley said about players leaving and coming back and not getting tested.

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I think everyone has covered the health threats this poses enough, so I'm going to talk about something else that might be a factor in the future. If the staff refuses to acknowledge Farley's concerns and only tries to cover their own asses, Farley might not want to vouch for the staff or school in the future. Let's say he's a first round draft pick and becomes a pro bowler in a few years. Wouldn't that be a great recruiting tool for VT? Wouldn't the coaches be trying to get Farley back to VT during a bye week? Wouldn't it be good PR for Farley to be spotted wearing VT gear in an NFL setting? Well, if Farley feels he has been wronged by the school and painted to look like the bad guy, he is probably not going to want any part of that. I sincerely hope VT doesn't screw this up, not only for the safety of others, but for future positive PR for the program.

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It seems only 247 added the full quote from Farley in after the original article. Here is what he said, "So last Monday night, I went to (head) coach (Justin) Fuente's office. I was so nervous. I just took a deep breath and told him my decision. He tried to talk me out of it. But I was firm. What I will always respect about coach Fuente is, he said he loved me and will always be a Caleb Farley fan. That meant the world to me."

The original article is linked above in its entirety. I don't follow what you mean.

I guess what I mean is that I keep seeing others that seem to be reading the other articles and commenting on the subject. Like that there was bad blood. I was mainly commenting on the poster above worrying about bad blood between the staff and Farley - and, I just don't get that from what Farley said. CBS, NBC, Yahoo, Norm Wood and just about every other reporter out there wrote articles that left out that full quote by Farley.

I knew this was going to be a shitshow when I read the article at 2 AM last night.

For what it's worth, I'm almost certain that Farley did not in any way intend to cause an anti-VT/Fuente response, as evidenced by his brother's tweet.

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Based on that Tweet alone, I don't think that supports your claim. Josh could be referencing the million reporters probably trying to contact Caleb right now, or a zillion other things. For what it's worth, I don't think Caleb had any agenda here. His words read simply as a first-hand account of the situation and how that guided his decision.

I can see how I worded my post too strongly and sure we can't know exactly what's going through Josh Farley's head when he posts that tweet, but it would make zero sense at all for him to tweet that based on the reception today if the FMIA story was meant as a shot at VT/Fuente.

I'm not trying to be a headache but from my perspective: story is released -> reporters have overwhelmingly negative response toward VT football program/Fuente -> brother of player tweets that "reporters are something else." Seems extremely likely to me that the implication of the tweet is that reporters are missing the point of Farley's column. No, I wouldn't publish that analysis in the New York Times without confirming the details but it seems like a fairly logical interpretation for a message board post.

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I hear you, but all I am saying is it's highly likely Caleb's phone, email, text, Instagram, etc... is blowing up right now because reporters want a comment/interview.

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the question I think people have implied but haven't explicitly stated - Why are they not testing players regularly, especially those who return to campus after being away?

The answer, the only logical one I can think of, is that VT (and likely most institutions) would rather not know. An asymptomatic player testing positive and potentially exposing the rest of the team, the quarantining, etc. would be too disruptive to operations. It's a scary proposition that is likely being played out all across America the globe.

You are assuming they aren't testing and then making up a narrative to fit the assumption. Read the HokieSports article that Fireman linked and quoted and you'll see it says testing protocols are performed on a regular basis. It's not detailed but I'd say it's counter to your assumption they aren't testing.

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Maybe they test only players that return from Virginia Beach, but not those that return from Myrtle Beach...

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Virginia Tech Football Statement
"I spoke with Caleb earlier today and I feel much better about the context of his comments regarding his
personal concerns regarding COVID-19. In our conversation I also told Caleb that I will always love and support him and that I'm looking forward to cheering him on as he pursues his dream of playing in the National Football League. We at Virginia Tech will always wish Caleb Farley and his family the very best.

"One of my most important responsibilities as the head coach of the football program at Virginia Tech is to put the best interests of our team, our players, our coaches and our staff at the forefront of every decision we make. We are entrusted with that task every day. I have the utmost confidence in medical guidance provided by our Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Mark Rogers and our Associate Athletics Director for Sports Medicine, Mike Goforth, as well as the plan they are implementing along with our campus officials to allow our team to train and prepare for the upcoming season. I appreciate their tireless work and support the procedures they have put in place for our team."

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I'm not sure if this statement makes me feel any better. Fuente feels much better about Caleb's comments in what way?

Likely that he read the article and interpreted it as Farley throwing shade but then talked to him and clarified that it wasn't Caleb's intention to be critical.

Sure, I never thought that Farley made these remarks to drag the program through the mud.

But since he did say them, is VT/Fuente going to do any type of evaluation or assessment? Perhaps the program thought they were taking adequate measures, but with the feedback from Farley's comments, maybe it's time to do another benchmark and see if there are ways we can improve our protocols. Seems like we are sticking to our guns.

Yeah this statement was... not good. Is there no one to draft/edit/proofread/approve these statements?

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One - not surprised at all, but a bit disappointed that my Alma Mater allowed itself to get black eye'd like this. I do highly suspect it's like this at most if not all other schools too, but of course, Virginia Tech gets popped for it.

Two - I agree with Farley's decision to opt out. I quite going to my gym for the same reason Caleb notes. I shelled out the money for a barbell and weight set, and then went and bought a bunch of lumber and hardware, and I now have a squat rack in my garage.

Three - hopefully this lights a fire under someone at VT and we get some protocols in place for player safety. Testing, masks, etc. I don't see a problem with traveling to the beach, or anywhere else, but given that a player will be in regular very close contact with other players, more so than many students (except the players that are good at getting into the freshmen girl's pants, lol!), I think it's warranted to at least have a protocol - you travel somewhere, when you come back, you do the test. Period. I don't think it's too much to ask. We have a chance, and now the motivation, to become a leader in getting better about this instead of being more fodder for more of these articles. If I were Fuente, I'd be all over it, actually (while keeping my mouth shut to the press!)

A protocol like the thing mentioned in the statement by the athletic department? It's astounding people read this article and just assume it was just anything goes.

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At least MLB is on the fast track to re cancelling the season so this won't be the lead story in the next sports news cycle. Sheesh

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We already have TCU taking some heat off.

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That one is really confusing me. Patterson tells a player to STOP using an offensive word, and people are mad at Patterson?

And now Colorado State has jumped in to really take the spotlight away. Thanks Dude.

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Yep, if it can be a national shitshow story, VT can find it/be in it. Maddening. I remember Bud getting dragged hard because of player "fines" because some asshole reporter posted a bowl money "fine" chart. fuck off. They weren't "fines", they were "you won't get all of your EXTRA bowl money if you are an asshole".. but we get dragged. Now it's basically every time VT gets mentioned nationally.

Seriously how is this Tech's fault? How is it Fu's fault?

After the pictures of the big crowds at Hokie House made the rounds on social media last week, I knew a story like this was inevitable. Probably just the tip of the iceberg for something that is going on nationally, but the fact of the matter is, this is just another off-season with our school getting dragged through the mud for stupid missteps and it's getting tiring. Seems to be an annual occurrence nowadays and where we become a national embarrassment for some stupid reasons and I very much wish it would stop.

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In defense of Hokie House, they submitted photo and video evidence to VDH and VA ABC, who found they were in compliance with the governor's orders and occupancy limits. A low-angle picture made it look a lot more crowded than it was. They are voluntarily reducing their maximum occupancy further to avoid any perception of wrongdoing. Students choosing to go to bars is a risky behavior and is frankly stupid at this time, but it's important to know Hokie House didn't do anything wrong. What troubles me more is some of the comments on the photo by students who simply don't think COVID-19 is a big deal.

To be fair many many schools say the same thing. Iowa, Washington State, TCU, OKST, Texas And that's just recently long term Miami, anOSU and Tech even under Beamer with the "fines" issue years back.

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Yea I agree that this is on par with the Beamer/Foster fines system a few years ago. Players have a voice now, so it's a lot harder for this shit to get swept under the rug.

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How can college football be played without the players being subject to regular testing?

That was the comment/question at the end of the article. My answer is, "There should be no football, and in fact, there should be no sports played right now. Period."

If there is a season...therse no way the schools/conferences/ncaa can avoid the PR nightmare if multiple kids come down with it or if, god forbid, any kid has a severe reaction from it. I know they want all the kids to take on the liability by signing something but that is definitely not how it will play it NOR SHOULD IT. In the very least there should be weekly testing and plans for taking care of/quarantining kids that have it. I havent heard any school have plans for those things. If a kid gets sick, they should get full medical care for as long as they need it.

I think the mix of liability and PR is going to end up stopping the season either before it starts or soon after it starts. When the first few kids get COVID, they'll have to suspend the season.

In parallel to this: If the ACC was smart they'd get in front of that inevitable PAC-12 fiasco and start getting those 6 year scholarships (or eligibility + 2 scholarships), medical for a few years after eligibility, etc (everything but the pay). You know the SEC is going to do it, BIG 10 will do it, ACC can't be the conference behind all of that.

Just wait until a star player tests positive but is asymptomatic, and a coach finds out before a rivalry game, destroys the evidence, and plays him anyways.

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Most of the country is going to "get" Covid 19 at some point. That's inevitable. It's such a contagious unknown virus that it is going to happen. The good thing is that overwhelmingly you probably won't die from it. We are going to be on an even more strict "lockdown" soon though, so buy your toilet paper. But at some point a "positive" covid 19 test can't be treated other than a positive flu test- or else we will have a true societal collapse.

Let's not let this spillover into another thread. We have a Coronavirus thread to catch all this stuff.

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The only failure I see here is the initial no comment. That's was a mistake. Other than that, I think a lot of people's Fuente bias leads them down additional paths based on one Peter King article, a guy who will skew a quote to fit his narrative.

I agree with you except that I don't see how Peter King skewed things- he just published Farley's own words on the situation. I don't know if King made additional comments on Twitter or anything which pertain to your comment but I didn't see King taking an inherent angle or stand in the column at least.

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I think he could have asked follow up questions to clarify, but he had the money quote so he knew he'd get some extra clicks

I thought the point was that Farley wrote the column and it was presented without comment. Didn't seem like an interview or Q&A.

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That's how I took it too. But I've seen comments similar to Dave's from others, so I've been wondering if I've missed something. To me, it seems all King did was provide him the platform and the audience.

I guess I just feel like a guy with 40 years of reporting experience should at least ask the kid, "hey this is how I interpret what you're saying, do you want to clarify?"

Instead it becomes a gotcha moment to get clicks. I just expect better.

And it's dave. We had that discussion last month...

Farley's response looks like an email describing his thought process on how he came to his decision. I don't think it's an interview and reporters don't need to go back and forth to clarify statements, and there' really no time to do that.

Schiano always struck me as one of those guys who views getting sick as some sort of personal failure or weakness.

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Wouldn't the players getting it now, before the season, be better than during the season - ala the Florida Marlins or Arizona Cardinals? Having to postpone two weeks of games and quarantine everyone will wreck a season.

Wouldn't the players not getting it all be better than getting it?

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Absolutely. But Covid is not like Gonorrhea. Most people are eventually going to "get" covid 19, and there is not much you can do about it. It is the nature of a virus of it's type- highly contagious, unknown, new, etc. Most American's are going to have a positive test at some point. We need to brace for that.

Yes, but stories like the OU OL above having heart issues after COVID changes the narrative from "most people are going to get it, it's harmless to young people" to "there's a small chance that this can derail your NFL career". If what's reported above is true, then perhaps being a bit cautious in prevention is appropriate.

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What are the heart issues? How severe? How long-lasting? Are they truly due to Covid, or were they discovered because of all the tests/screenings that he was receiving? How many Indiana players tested positive? I'm not sure I have seen a number, but they did say in the article that most of the players were back practicing as of Friday.

We, as a country and society cannot over react to the very small percentage of cases that have bad outcomes. DC is right, a lot of people have to get this. The lockdowns did not work in stopping the virus spread; it only delayed it in many parts of the country.

Moving forward, if you are healthy and under the age of 65/70 know that you have a very high likelihood of survival. The high risk population should take extra precaution and we should try to protect them. We have to pivot to a model that is sustainable for years to come. Lockdowns and partial lockdowns and business closures are not sustainable.

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Most other major world powers took swift action and were able to partially reopen within a couple months with only a fraction of a percent of their entire populations even catching the virus. There's no reason that "a lot of people have to" catch COVID.

what "most other major world powers" are you talking about? A lot of people already have caught it.

I wrote up a fairly long list for you, but realized that there's a 16th "Coronavirus Discussion Thread" for a reason and am choosing to not continue the discussion in here.

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Andy Bitter had a good piece in The Athletic, where he basically said that VT is fulfilling their legal obligation, but players/fans may expect them to go beyond that. VA is in Phase 3 of reopening, meaning that indoor facilities can operate at 75% capacity. Given that the Beamer Barn has a capacity of 250, 100 people would be within the 75% capacity limit of phase 3. Also, the practice facility is 'open air' with the garage doors open, and additional ventilation steps. He also noted that VT did nothing to address/comment on the Myrtle beach issue.

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Yep, and if VT is within legal guidelines, any virtue signaling beyond that is 1. Hindsight, and 2. Not helping at all. If you are uncomfortable with Virginia's legal guidelines, don't participate. To participate within the states guidelines, get Covid, then complain about the guidelines after the fact does not do anybody any good.

Not necessarily virtue signalling, if the state legal guidelines are not enough for a football program. If the program really does need to do more to ensure the players' safety, then they damn well should, not hide behind "we did all that was legally necessary".

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The newest sons of Saturday podcast with Fuente is a must listen. I only made it half way through this morning but it is a very refreshing side of Fuente.

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+1 - really enjoyed it. Sucks that this got overshadowed by interpreting Farley's comments

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it was an excellent listen. It was nice to hear Fuente's side of things

I liked how they kept trying to make "fulosophy" a thing lol

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I finished it this evening. It was a good job touching on a variety of topics. I liked when he spoke about his emotions and detaching himself from play calling. He complimented Corny for putting the qbs in the best situations to succeed (something I think Corny doesn't get enough credit for). Also, he clearly thinks highly of the returning O line.

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Hell I liked when he was talking about hanging around his daughters and how much he likes The Dark Night. It's like Joe says above, he's a smart likable dude and the more he opens up to fans the better off he is from a PR standpoint.

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For what it's worth, the other comic books movies that I think are very good include (as you mentioned) Thor: Ragnarok, Spiderverse, X2, and Infinity War among a few others. So I don't think my comic book movie choices are that outlandish as all of those were critically well-received.

However, if we are counting Logan as a comic book movie that is actually my choice. I don't generally think of it as one for whatever reason.

I have a hard time getting into any Spiderman movie. I think it is partly because it seems that the writers pick and choose when Spidey has super human powers and when he is vulnerable. Overall I have comic movie fatigue. I missed several in the Marvel universe and dont even have a desire to fill in those gaps. Batman was an except for me because he is just a dude with cool toys in a city of psychos. That said, Afleck Batman was horrible and I dont expect the new one with Cedric Diggory as Batman to be great either.

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Big time. It doesn't affect me too much though because that's not my preferred style or genre of film anyway, and I have basically an endless backlog of old movies to sift through.

Little more insight here from Caleb on the Today Show.

Interesting stuff for sure, cant help but wish him the best. That all said at the very end of the clip where it cuts off al rokers expression is priceless.

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The biggest piece of information that I took out of this interview was that his dad was/is living with him in Blacksburg. Makes a lot more sense why he would be concerned about contracting it and giving to his dad.

Thanks for posting this Today show clip.

I gotta be honest, bad publicity or good publicity, this is putting Farley's name out there and VT out there. People don't remember specifics over time (unless it's really, really bad, and this isn't that bad).

Putting the VT brand out there nationally is good in the long run, and seeing a Tech player get a lot of press is good, too.

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Early on, it was very relevant to the discussion because of Farley's revelations as it relates to pandemic protocols within the program. At this point it's only tangentially related to the Farley situation and we have a thread for this.

When do we expect the first depth chart to be released? /s

I personally hope the best for Caleb, and I also hope that no other players opt-out. I will respect their decision if anyone else chooses to opt-out. I'm guessing the next bit of news will be a positive case amongst the team/staff/or someone only slightly removed from the team/staff. Hoping that is handled well when it occurs and that it has short-lived effects.

Sorry - I took the bait and responded to a comment here. My bad.

It's all good. The overall point of this post was to limit it from turning into a second CV thread. I knew there would still be some people who were browsing through the "new replies" and would respond to something before they even saw my post above you.

Honestly I would like to see Whit and Fuente take the stance that any athlete not comfortable playing or participating in workouts will be fully supported by the University and have their scholarship and other benefits honored. Even if that were to mean that Virginia Tech does not field a team this year if the season even happens.

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Great post, I don't think we are all that divided and we all actually agree on most points. Keep players safe that want to play, support players that don't or are concerned, and try to improve our safety measures for all involved. Everyone is frustrated and angry, which is understandable given unprecedented circumstances, but they are just that. There is so much anger on here every day. Let's just have a marginally reasonable discourse. If we can't, who is to judge others that can't either. You may right, I might be wrong, maybe it's someone else, but take a breather, regroup, and navigate what was unimaginable 12 months ago.

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Good to hear and thanks for the link! I must have missed that this news cycle

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Well at least we aren't Colorado State. I expect this story to dwarf the Farley comments in short order.

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If that story has legs, I imagine there are going to be a bunch of "former CSU coaches encouraged coverups" stories.

This certainly won't be the last story of this type. I'm sure there are way more out there.

Must be kicking himself now for not entering the draft. He's losing out on a lot of money right now

Only if the NFL actually has a full season.

I don't think so, at best he would have been a late round draft pick this year, but definitely wouldn't have been first round, doubtful for second or third. Farley benefited the past couple of months by getting press as one of the top returning corners and potential first round pick next year, he didn't have that buildup last year.

He could have used another season putting up similar stats to last year to solidify the case for top ten pick or first round pick. He might be ok and get the benefit of the doubt with scouts looking at his potential, so hopefully he gets taken in the first round next year.

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Micah Parsons (PSU) has also opted out

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We may benefit from an opt-out tracking thread or just a general is-the-season-actually-going-to-happen tracking thread.

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My guess is that the former thread would gradually shift into becoming the latter thread.

I liked the idea of an opt-out discussion thread. Rondale Moore opting out is another huge hit for college football and seems worth mentioning/discussion but it doesn't belong in this thread and I can't say it's worth a new thread.

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Trevor Lawerence is the most obvious person to opt-out. Consensus #1 draft pick, already has a natty, no real reason to risk injury. I don't get it.

His family's already rich and he will still be a first round pick if he tears his ACL this season.

His family's already rich

Not privy to his parent's finances but I'm pretty sure they don't have Patrick Mahomes money. Ain't talking bout rich, talkin bout wealth.

He's gonna get life changing money either way. Tua sustained a trauma injury that usually only occurs in car wrecks and still went 5th.

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I get what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree.

With caps on how much rookies make, it's about getting to the second contract as quickly as possible. Tua got drafted fifth but it remains to be seen how much the hip injury hurt him. If he's back to 100%, great. If he not and he never gets back to what he was, the odds of maximxing his potential are cripplied.

There's a thin line between having Mahomes' career and RGIII's.

I agree with that, but my point is that Trevor is coming from a different situation than many of these guys. He has a lot more to fall back on with or without football, AND he will at least get a draft signing bonus no matter what happens to him on a football field this year. Tua's signing bonus was $19.6M. That is life changing if he never throws a pass in the NFL. Same will be the case for Trevor.

I agree, at the same time, the concept of opting-out is relatively new to college sports (granted a pandemic is new too). I think it comes down to three things for Farley...1) FEar of infecting his father during the season 2) Fear of injury, since he has a history, and who knows if he has been dealing with any minor injuries during the off season that have him feeling nervous and 3) he's probably expecting another 8-5 type of season (I guess 6-4 this year)

Lawerence is not living with his parent(s) (I do not think), does not have a history of leg/back injuries, and is expecting another special season. Clemson probably won't have any of their NFL prospects opt-out, because when you have a dominant group like that, you want to be a part of it, and it elevates things to a different level. I think it just cirucmstance; Farley's circumstances are very different than Lawerence's.

Me thinks that it is something Dabo is preaching to them to make them stay. Klempson had what three #1 draft picks on their DL that inexplicably came back to play another year when they didn't even need to. That almost never happens at VT. Beamer and CJF must handle that situation differently.

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I would have to agree. But it could also be that Dabo and staff are in a position to do that easily, because they're winning at such a high level. We have all heard D-Hall say how much he regrets not coming back for one more year.

The flip side of this is you would think after you've accomplished essentially all you can at the college level and won a natty or two, it would be time to just move on. Instead Clemson really fosters a team mentality and gets people to stay when it makes little sense personally for them to do so. Contrast that with the VT 2016 offensive exodus we saw, when we legitimately had a chance to make some national noise had everyone returned in 2017.

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Maryland quarterback Josh Jackson has decided to opt out of the upcoming season, Maryland football coach Mike Locksley announced Friday morning. Jackson, a senior who started nine games last year, will forego his remaining eligibility and focus on academics and beginning his professional career. The decision comes as a growing number of athletes are opting out of their seasons because of COVID-19 concerns.

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I always thought Jackson would transfer down to be The Guy for a year. Of course that was before Covid.

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Given how he played last year, I think Maryland opted out of Josh Jackson.

Probably don't have to keep track of Farley until the combine/workouts and NFL draft, but he's listed at #11 on the CBS draft board and I read somewhere that he's signed with Drew Rosenhaus, so he probably won't drop for opting out.