SI Interview with Tyree "Showtime" Saunders

Thought this was a pretty good interview touching on a guy we've heard a lot about throughout his recruitment on here

Virginia Tech Football: Freshman Wide Receiver Tyree Saunders Ready to Make His Presence Felt in Blacksburg

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Great write up. Looking forward to watching him shine.

That pinky will continue to haunt my dreams.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

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great news fellas! the pinky is fixed!

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Nice interview.
They can fix that finger you know?

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

Fans often criticize coaches for how their actions might come across to recruits and players, when we should really be listening to what the recruits/players say directly about the coaches. I myself have been critical about how certain things have been handled, but I have tried to keep the negativity amongst my friends and family and off of public platforms where anybody can access and react (primarily recruits). When I hear the players' perspective I always feel much more confident in our program. LETS GO!

keep the negativity amongst my friends and family and off of public platforms where anybody can access and react (primarily recruits)

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

the stuff that passes for "Sports Illustrated" nowadays is so sad. Frank Deford and Jackie MacMullen wrote for SI for christ sake.

I've had a continuous subscription to SI since the fall of '75 when I enrolled at Tech. I grew up reading it, and I didn't want to miss a single issue when I was away at school. It was that good, and remained that way for many, many years. Now, 12-14 issues/year? It's sad...

In addition to those two, Dan Jenkins, George Plimpton, Bingham, Bamberger, Rick Telander, Rick Reilly, Alexander Woolf, later even Steve Rushin. Photograpy by Walter Iooss. When Reilly's column was on the last page, sometimes it was hard not to read that first.

no one subscribes to magazines anymore. so for SI. they still write the same quality stuff they have just expanded. now instead of getting 120 pages of everything "major" in the sports world (some of which even the biggest sports fan could care less about, ex: a 5 page article on mariah Sharapova for a rabid football fan vs a 8 page special about dale jr for a nba fanatic) honestly its a smart move by SI. simply put a website has a lot more room to talk about a lot more things and recruiting is a big deal to thousands of CFB fans why not get in on the money train and write about it? I know personally a big time writer that left 247 to join and headline Florida's recruiting coverage for SI and lets just say he got a substantial raise to do so.

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Sports Illustrated letting any hack write for "them" and becoming bleacher report 2.0 is not a good move for anyone.

Strong disagree that it's the same quality. Much less emphasis on longform journalism and reporting as opposed to regurgitation of facts you can find anywhere. The voices that made SI what it was are long gone.

Plus half the staff got gutted in October.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/sports-illustrated/

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Aw, come on....you subscribed for the articles?....we all know it was really for the swimsuit issue.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Ha ha, I did mention Walter Iooss...

Pretty stoked to have Tyree in the program. Glue guy. Has a lot of potential, too. WR group needs some instant depth and I think he can really add to that this fall.

Agree- and he wants to be a Hokie.. we need as many of those as we can get

Excited for this kid to get in the program. Already out recruiting for us and being a great ambassador to the program.

Andy Bitter also had a 1 v 1 interview on The Athletic with Saunders. My two big takeaways from that one:

  • I can see why the wide receiver rules would drive certain players away, but I like it, and I love that Tyree is embracing it
  • Coach Wiles, (Tyree's lead recruiter) after being fired (for lack of a better term), still advised Tyree to come to Tech. He easily could've guided Tyree elsewhere. True Hokie.

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Can you elaborate on the WR rules?

Literally everything a WR does in practice is recorded, tracked, and tabulated on a whiteboard and the playing time is a meritocracy from that. Can't really get too much more specific than that without breaking CG regarding paywalled content

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just curious, does it say which coach is responsible for putting that system in? Jafar? Corny? Fuente?

Jafar is easily inferred

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Very interesting. Do you know if this is a common practice across cfb? or unique to the WR room at VT?

i have no insight, no clue, and no connections

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

if I ask you one more time maybe things will change!!!

ive been in other wr rooms and never seen anything like what VT has. I took a picture of it when I was at VT to basically use in my own practices as a coach (which I do a lot of schools I visit, just try and snap some pics of things coaches have hung up around rooms and various rules etc so I don't think itll be a problem with me sharing this with you guys) this is what it looks like. its updated Everyday though not just from games. players know where they stand and what the expectation is. (edit; got it)

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This is really cool, but I'm shocked it's not a monitor with real time updates. That would be relatively cheap and easy to do!

you think the people are joking when they talk about how outdated our facilities are? lol. but in all seriousness I think a couple things... a. this is jafars thing he brought it in and made it for his guys (I didn't see it or anything similar in other position rooms) b. he keeps it posted at all times for everyone to see so there is no question as to why someone is or isn't playing more than someone else/ it eliminates favoritism and the "coach doesn't like me" it relies on facts and the facts are there for everyone to see you want a spot earn a spot, make the best of every rep because were keeping track. c. we do have multi media screens in the position room that they use to watch film, go over plays, install, and post bullet points etc things like that I just think for something you want up at all times as a constant reminder a poster is the best route.

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Thanks for the extra insight! I love that everyone knows where they stand all the time. I'm a big believer in big data, so that kind of transparency is great in my mind. I don't think the whiteboard part hurts, but I work in technology so when I see things that could be a bit better with tech, I'll always point it out and want to help. Overall, I think this is great tool and I'm happy VT uses it!

He will get his video board when an SEC team hires him after this season.

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I think this is awesome, but I'm waiting for the push back that equates this with the fine system from a few years back...

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I had to chuckle at the one column....."LOAFS".

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Me too.
It's "LOAVES", Jafar.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Good god. This seems as stupid in practice as 99% of the columns on the internet that try to rank...well, pretty much everything.

Step 1: subjectively select a small, finite number of criteria that supposedly define success

Step 2: arbitrarily assign points to each criteria on some sort of scale (1-5, 1-10, etc).

Step 3: Sum up the point totals using an unweighted (at worst) or arbitrarily determined (at best) point-scale to determine a winner.

In grad school, we called this baffle 'em with bullshit.

This just seems like a way for coaches to deflect and make their subjective, but informed, human perceptions and decisions into scientific, objective ones.

The only remote way this is possibly effective and useful is if they took a deep analytical Bill James/Sabermetrics/Moneyball approach to develop the whole method. Maybe it's the whiteboard that makes this all seem like back-of-the-envelope to me, but I have doubts this is much more than that (albeit by informed minds).

Except it's not subjective, nor are point arbitrarily assigned, nor is it 'small, finite number.'

  • # of drops per game, missed blocks, etc aren't some 1-10 scale on how much heart you show; it's found from watching tape.
  • It's over the course of spring practice and the entire fall season - if that's too small of a sample size for you, I don't know what to tell you.

Or did I miss the /s?

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First off, sample size is meaningless if the underlying utilization of the data is flawed.

But beyond that, missed blocks, drops, etc still have a subjective component.

But even assuming they're entirely objective, how does one equate objective criteria with subjective criteria? How is loafing assigned a score? By # of plays loafed? Or even better "explosiveness". A grade of 1 to 10? If the former, how do plays loafed or "explosiveness" equate to, say, 2 drops? If the latter, what is 2 drops on a scale of 1-5?

The O&M glasses folks can downvote all you want, but this is the most useless thing I think I've ever seen wrt VT football. It's one thing to use it as one tool in a toolbox, but to literally use it to determine playing time (if I read it correctly)...yikes. I can't imagine why others haven't jumped on this approach...

If my kid was being recruited as a receiver by several relatively equal schools, I would tell them run, don't walk, in the opposite direction from Blacksburg.

"I admittedly don't understand how they use it, but it's the most useless thing i think I've ever seen wrt VT football"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I certainly understand how they're misusing it.

But since we're using fake quotes...

"Even though I can't refute it defies many rules of statistical analysis, I'm defending it"?

Have you ever read a single username on this site or do you think TKP is just you and one other person????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I personally like to think it's me against TKP when I post. If you don't have that mentality some one is going to come in and take your legs. This is a website built around competition and ain't no one here to help you get those legs. It's you against the field. Do or die time. Take what is you're. Aim for the jugular. Sweep the leg!

if not obvious/s

I personally like to think it's me against TKP when I post. If you don't have that mentality some one is going to come in and take your legs. This is a website built around competition and ain't no one here to help you get those legs. It's you against the field. Do or die time. Take what is you're. Aim for the jugular. Sweep the leg!

if not obvious/s

wow 8.5 hours between double posts, gotta be a new record

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Mark him down for one LOAF

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I'll speculate:

  • Loaf's is likely how many plays you 'give up' on. As French has noted extensively, every player on the field must make the defense thing they are a viable threat on that play if Fuente's offense is to be successful. I am assuming that a 'loaf' is when a player, knowing that knows he is not involved in the play, doesn't 'sell' it, and 'takes the play off.'
  • I'd wager that explosiveness is similar to how Foster would talk about 'twitch' - it's how fast the player gets off the line and/or breaks blocks

From what I've read about the system (admittedly, not much), it's not a scale; if you have a drop, that's one drop. If you have a drop on the first day of fall practice, then three drops in a game, you have 4 total drops on the season so far.

Is there some objective piece to this? Absolutely. Do I think that coaches, who are financially incentivized to win, will use this data correctly to make decisions? I personally do.

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They also have some pretty cool tracking technology they use to measure speed, heart rate, angle of cuts, etc. Same technology that's used in high end soccer leagues in Europe.

How are they using it? As a dumbass who has screwed this up in the past, I'm curious.

They're using it mostly for getting guys back from injury/keeping them healthy. You can tell how much pressure a guy is putting on let's say an injured knee. Also, you can measure effort with it which is how i'd guess it's used in terms on depth chart.