Let's speculate on a new coach since it might happen...

Where do you go this late in the process? Shane Beamer?

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Brent Venables
Mike Houston
Willie Fritz
Billy Napier
Tony Elliott
Lets get crazy - Joe Brady
Hell, you could probably get an ACC Dave - Cutcliffe, Clawson, Doeren in a pinch
There's still plenty of action

I'm a HUGE Mike Houston fan.

He is a man who knows how to build culture. He knows how to recruit (based on where he is he's always recruited well). And the man runs a extremely organized program. Most fans wouldn't like it, but it would be a home run.

Is it basketball season yet?

It would also be one last "Fuck You" to East Carolina from Babcock, which is also a plus

I'm in

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Had to look him up, but he has an impressive resume in the lower divisions.......

I tend to look at a number of different things with these types of guys...

1. He always attracted the absolute best talent that his respective school could land (it appears). His staff knows how to recruit based on where they are.

2. He has always done a tremendous job at developing talent.

3. Culture, culture, culture. He knows how to build culture (think Bronco without the quirky ways/ideas). I was privileged to have had access to the JMU football program while he was there... He and the staff were highly organized, highly energetic and passionate about the players. Everyone from top to bottom bought into whatever it was he was selling. And he's a magnetic individual (not in a slimy PJ Fleck kind of way... he's loves his family).

Those are only a small hand full of transferrable qualities that seem to carry guys along as they move up the coaching ladder. In the end, you can either run a program or you can't. Mike Houston can. I happen to think he'll be a P-5 star, likely at UNC.

Is it basketball season yet?

-Cutcliffe is content to ride out his career at Duke and isn't leaving.
-Big no thanks on Doeren
-I'd kick the tires on Clawson. Wake just had a peak year and will be completely rebuilding on offense (losing 9 starters and Surratt).

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And if we hire Clawson, I'll rip my hair out every time we run that 3 second mesh on the RPO.

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Brent Venables
Tony Elliott
Mike Houston
Todd Grantham

But yet again, after the Mike Young hire, i trust Whit completely on this deal if we have to replace Fuente.

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Not a pretty name but thinking in terms of budget and someone who wouldn't hop at a new gig ASAP.

Will Healy.....

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Read the first two sentences...hard pass

I think some bigger name wanted him, but he chose to stay in Charlotte...I could definitely see it though...people love him here in Charlotte

Seems to have some Dabo in him.......Can he coach?

Luke Fickell

"What kind of person would throw away a perfectly good dog?"

Shit, forgot about him.

Todd Grantham

I'm just now realizing that Grantham went to Virginia Tech....

And played high school ball down the road in Pulaski.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Played under Beamer and coached under Beamer as well!

Go Hokies!

Here's a guy that will stick around for a while. Come on home Todd Grantham.

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You say that, but we don't know that... He hasn't coached here since 95, and he didn't leave for a promotion - He took the same position he had at VT at Michigan State.... You could be right, but just realize that not everyone wants to 'move home' one day.

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Todd isn't interested in living in SW VA and makes 2M or so I. Florida with no state income tax and very secure. We need an offensive coach based upon the situational dynamics I think.

I get it - not into a financial debate. Simply making the point he is in a great situation - coaching and financial. Combine that with a lack of desire to be in SW VA and I don't see it

If Venables were to leave Clemson, where his son is on the team, it wouldn't be for a VT coaching gig.

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If we are going budget on the hire and looking at very young and unproven people, Shane really makes the most sense. He's connected to the program and understands the VT culture and our strengths and limitations. He's a good recruiter, young, and energetic guy. He's coached under two hall of famers and two of the current top in the business. He's not going to bolt for another job, similar to the Mike Young hire. And he won't break the bank and can assemble a young and hungry staff that will grow with the program. Plus he has dad and Bud Foster hanging around for advice. I'd rather kick the tires on this before we turn the locker room into a night club.

I think someone like Shane who is connected to the program would be the most likely to retain the defensive staff, for one. I am excited to see what Hamilton, Tapp, Teerlinck, and the crew can do - would hate to lose them so quickly.

Thinking is that Teerlinck is here because of the Fuente connection, would be surprised if he is still here and Fuente isn't.

pretty sure Teerlinck is co-DC or something at Baylor, if Fuente is hired.

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Hard pass on Shane who wasn't even the top choice for the ODU job.

Can we stop with this? This is such flawed logic.

I'm hard passing on Dabo Swinney for our HC gig because he wasn't a finalist for ANY job for an entire 3 years.

And why would we trust ODU's judgment anyways???

What has Shane done that makes you think he's the best hire?

If his last name wasn't Beamer and if he wasn't a Hokie, everyone would be extremely upset if he was the next head coach.

We've gone the milquetoast, G5 route already and it sucked. What's Shane gonna do, win 7-8 games a year and lose the bowl? We might as well go that route for his upside, and the guy will love Virginia Tech. I don't want Cincinnati or ECU or any of these other names I've seen thrown out there.

And for what it's worth, Shane has about 15x the level of P5, let alone FBS, experience that the new defensive coordinator that everyone is drooling over has.

We might as well go that route for his upside,

Explain to me why he has upside.

Young. Dynamic personality. Proven recruiter even if his guys were mostly busts - he got them in the door. Actual P5 coaching experience. Players loved him. Has tutored under significant coaches. Anti-Fuente is his attitude towards the program. Loves VT. Former players and national media like him, a lot more than Fuente and it's already been seen in the last 24 hours. Former players may actually want to come back around the program.

Wouldn't be the worst thing assuming Tech has limited last minute options. Would also probably be cheap. If Tech wants a Dabo cheerleader type who leans on coordinators, why not him.

VT doesn't have to hire an unproven head coach, I would bet the top G5 coaches will all consider a P5 job thats committed to football a step up.

I would take Venables over any G5 coach that's available right now.

Not that it matters, but I wonder how Bud would feel about us hiring a big name DC after passing him over for the same job a few years ago.

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If Whit can land a real, bonafide HC candidate this late in the game great. But if his pool is limited IN ANY WAY by the timing I hope we just make somebody currently on the staff (Hamilton?) interim HC for 2020 and conducting a full search during next season.

It's not ideal but it's better than making a panic hire just for the sake of bringing somebody in and being tied to that beyond what could easily wind up a lost cause of a 2020 season regardless of how this plays out.

Real way to excite the program is having a lost season with a lame duck HC to be replaced...

You can't recruit in this situation, no certainty.

Someone put it this way in the other thread. This 1 year coach approach throws away 2 seasons instead of giving the HC the ability to get in his guys and system and potentially have one year of growing pains.

Especially when we are supposed to have so much coming back and expectations could be high for 2020

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Good luck assembling an offensive staff for that situation. Good luck recruiting in that situation. Good luck keeping players from entering the transfer portal.

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Bud Foster. I know health could be an issue, but what if those issues were brought on/magnified by the angst of his situation? It would be pretty darn stressful working under the person who swooped in on the job that you had committed your entire career towards... It takes a lot of character to swallow the pride and stick around like Bud did, but he is human and there is no way that being passed over didn't affect him.

FWIW I've also heard that Fuente was someone of a micro-manager. This would add even more pressure on Bud who was used to doing things his way.

I know it's wishful thinking, but being in that scenario at my job sure would keep me up at night and affect my well-being to some degree.

Wouldn't mind Shane Beamer since I think if he took the position, he wouldn't leave for greener pastures.

He also can put together a great staff. He has connections to Staffs from Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, and his time with Spurrior.

He's a great recruiter himself and I'm sure he would hire great recruiters as well.

He also knows the infrastructure of some of the biggest programs out there. I could also see him retaining J-Ham for some sort of continuity.

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Hell, just hire Steve Spurrier

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Oh my god imagine the digs at UVA and Miami.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

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Great recruiter?

I'm all in. Fuck it. Get Shane. This program is pretty burned if Fuente bails now. I'd rather give Shane a shot. If he screws it up, it's the same outcome as any other candidate we're going to have right now. At least he won't run to Texas if he's successful.

I mean Tom Brady is a UFA hell lets convince him to retire and come coach dude could get this offense running

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

No thanks to checkdowns and a dink-and-dunk offense

Good point, he's clearly had little success with it.

Someone that has been a head coach before. - Priority #1. You need to know the ins and outs of the off field stuff. It's not just about timeouts and going for it on 4th down. You need someone that has been the head guy. Go get JMU's head coach in a pinch- he wins 90% of his games... or find a guy with P5 HC experience like Tracy Cleay's or Barry Odom or Charlie Strong, etc. Slim pickings at the moment

Respectfully, there's plenty of coaches that are 100 times better then the ones you mentioned above the VT could take. Also, JMU's coach is currently Curt Cignetti. You're thinking of Mike Houston, who is now at ECU and would also be a home run.

I agree. If no HC experience you would have to have a home run candidate and I'm not sure the exists (to your point). At this stage your best bet is a high potential/already successful FCS coach (or non Power 5) where the VT job would be seen as a huge promotion and possible destination.

There is a reason past players are clamoring for Shane...theyve seen him first hand.

I dont want Fuente to go, I unlike 90% of this board apparently, think hes a good coach and mark it....will be unhappy to see him have success elsewhere if he goes.

But IF he does - Im on the Shane Train...

Where have I missed the past players clamoring for Shane?

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After the duke loss, I saw Dwight Vick and Aaron Rouse and a few throwing Shane's name in the ring and a bunch of past players retweeted it, I think D.Hall made some comment about it....

I was moreso wondering it if was guys that had played for him. Thats the part i thought i had missed.

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Let's be honest without ourselves for a moment. Shane was here once and was horrible. As a position coach, his guys were huge underperformers. You could blame that on a lack of talent, but he's responsible for that, too. And addressing recruiting, he wasn't good there, either. Go look at who he brought in. The list of players is very forgettable.

Shane has been in the business about 20 years and is still a position coach. I think you have to ask the question as to why no one has even trusted him with a coordinator's job.

Shane was here once and was horrible.

I disagree. You say he wasn't a good recruiter, yet he recruited more highly-rated players (don't include busts, which happen) than anyone else on staff during his time here, he helped modernize our recruiting strategy, being one of the first to introduce our staff to the importance of social media, graphics, etc., and connected well with players.

Don't conflate skills being a running backs coach (which performed better than we've had under CJF) with the skills necessary to be a HC.

Well, remember it's not about how many stars they earned in high school. It's about the stars they earned on the college field. And his players were consistent busts. Was it because he's a poor judge of talent? Was he chasing some kids just because Coach X was chasing them? Was he just a lousy coach? I don't know. I do know Fuente wasn't impressed with him enough to keep him on. I do know his tenure at VT was very dubious at best.

I wish him the best. I hope everyone goes well for him in the future. I just don't think Virginia Tech is the place for that to happen, based on his previous performance.

Well, remember it's not about how many stars they earned in high school. It's about the stars they earned on the college field. And his players were consistent busts. Was it because he's a poor judge of talent? Was he chasing some kids just because Coach X was chasing them? Was he just a lousy coach?

We're going to have busts, there is no getting around it. I'd much rather be surprised when super highly-rated, heavily recruited guys bust than when the .82 player who had no other P5 offers never contributes

Wow, so Fuente wasn't impressed but two coaches that hired him and made the playoffs in their first 3 years were impressed enough to hire him. Not sure which ones are more credible

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to be fair, if fuente had kept him on staff, the "shane! shane! shane!" chanting from a corner of the fanbase would be and annoying and constant presence, and all of the things we're pointing to regarding shane's current qualifications (e.g. working under kirby smart and lincoln riley) wouldn't even be on his resume

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Wasn't our last ACC POY under Shane's tutelage???

Don't forget the one time Shane wore the big whistle he coached a hell of a game.

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Josh Huepel, Luke Fickell, or go NFL route for Eric Bienemy

Not calling you out personally because I've seen several people mention him, but why do people think Bienemy would come here? He should have gotten an NFL HC job this year and he'll be a front-runner again next offseason. Why give that (and Mahomes) up to spend all his time recruiting?

To be clear I think it's a long shot, but if he feels like he isn't going to get a fair shake in the NFL because of their piss poor track record of hiring minority coaches, then maybe he looks to get some HC experience at the college level. If he comes here, tears it up for 3-4 years, then gets a better job it's a win-win for everyone

I suppose, but it seems risky given he's on the brink of getting an NFL job. Another year of record-breaking offense and it will be impossible for every team to pass again. Even if he wanted to come back to college I feel like we'd need to have a connection to get him here and as far as I know we do not.

You guys are missing the obvious top candidate.....

How about Matt Entz HC of North Dakota State.

I like Matt Entz, but just had one year there at NDSU; If he can bring with him Body Reeder for OC I'm up for it. Reeder was let go by the D-bag (Seth Littrell) at UNT but Reeder has a very good balance in his offense. I'm bummed to see Zach Arnett hired by Syracuse to be their DC. I know all this love for J-Ham is out there but Arnett is a proven DC and I think the cuse defense is going to be tough to beat in the ACC.

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I was just in Fargo, right after the New Year. Didn't get a chance to reach out to him. Bummer.

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I don't want Whit turn us into Cincy where his hires never stuck around for the long haul.

We need someone with ties to the program who understand all the limitations that apparently surprised Fuente. We need someone to stay.

I'd put Shane Beamer and Todd Grantham on the top of that list and do whatever it takes to hire one of them.

Bill Clark out of UAB if he's interested, Houston I like form the names thrown out here already.

We all know that it should be RichRod though

I want do downvote you for the RR comment but I shan't.

Given the timing, my expectations here are going to be extremely low

we might even have to go with an interim head coach for 2020

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I think your worse case scenario is Shane. And is that really any different that what we have with Fuente coaching wise?

I think Shane would be better just because he fully understands how important recruiting is in the current climate. He'd put together a staff that would focus primarily on that.

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Exactly, that's why I'm not too worried about it.

Shane was my realistic top choice when the "Who's our next coach" thread was posted early in the season.

I agree with your assessment and I think we'd keep JHam and not have to worry about Shane jumping ship every year

An interim HC should be a last, last, last resort. Thanks to our nice little 61st rated recruiting class CJF left us with, we don't have the luxury of whiffing on two straight classes. A miss on this next class sets us back 2-4 additional years imo.

I mentioned in the other thread, given how late in the process this all is, if Fuente walks; talk to Bud.

I know he's got his heart issues, so approach him with the offer to be the interim head coach through the 2020 season. That will allow whatever staff Fuente leaves here to stay together, would probably keep a lot of the players from transfering, and would give Whit ample time to find a more permanent replacement.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Bud's health will prevent him from taking the job

But at this point... I think we made a huge mistake not promoting him when Frank retired

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I feel like if he knew if it was a 1 season interim deal, knowing that going into it, it would take a lot of stress off of the position, no?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

interim head coach through the 2020 season

That would Fubar recruiting for the next two years. No one is going to commit to a head coach that is guaranteed to be gone in a year

If Fuente does leave I hope Whit doesn't look at anyone with ties to the Midwest. With Brent and now Fuente possibly going back closer to home look for someone on this side of the Mississippi.

I'd go after Tony Elliott out of Clemson.

He's only 40.
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I hear that if Brady leaves, Bill Belichick will be available.

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I'd rather we re-animate Bear Bryant and hire him, but I keep telling myself that I should keep my expectations realistic, so I guess I'd settle for Belichick.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So, Tracy Claeys will probably get promoted. It's going to be internal. There's just no way, I mean, there is, but it'll be tough.

I would love Heupel.

Maybe swing for the fences and get Mike Tomlin.

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As awesome as it would be I don't know how we shake another $2 million a year out of the couch cushions to match Tomlin's current salary.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Mike Tomlin literally has the single most secure job in the entire sport of football and that comes without needing to spend all year recruiting. Hilarious that people keep throwing this out there even as a long shot.

Mike should get coach of the year for keeping the Steelers in the playoff hunt with his top WR gone, top RB gone, Top 2! QB's down, and a myriad array of other injuries this year.

No, he does not. Injuries be damned, he has one of the toughest jobs in the NFL, coaching in the AFC North, and the Ravens ๐Ÿ˜ˆ๐Ÿ˜ˆ, have been King recently. 3 straight missed playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go

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Agree to disagree, everyone has their limits, so do the Stillers

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he's the winningest coach by percentage in steelers franchise history, he won a super bowl, and the Rooney family hasn't fired a coach since 1968. keep dreaming.

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Yeah... I scoffed at the idea of calling Urban Meyer but throwing out Mike Tomlin as a candidate is unthinkably naive. As in, worse than Jon Gruden to Tennessee naive.

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I think Whit will surprise us here. I was nervous about Mike Young when Buzz left, but he's built a hell of a roster really late in the game that is really impressing so far this season. I'm all for hiring a guy who knows the region and wants to be there. If it's Shane, great. Coached under Kirby Smart and Lincoln Riley in recent years. I could think of worse coaching trees to come out of.

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Coached under Kirby Smart and Lincoln Riley in recent years. I could think of worse coaching trees to come out of.

Plus, y'know, there's that other coaching tree he was in at VT.

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Jason Garrett, Marvin Lewis, Hue Jackson.

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Jason Garrett would be a sneaky good hire. The players loved him. His gameday ability sucked, but he would be one hell of a recruiter, and if you got the right coordinators, you could dominate college football with him.

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It would fit into that whole TX2VT thing. Bring us Garrett!

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I just got out of that relationship. Can we not do this?

Urban Meyer

(not really, that's not going to happen, and it's a lot of baggage to take on if it was any semblance of a possibility, but I'm surprised with the other kidding/notkidding/butreallykidding names thrown out this isn't out there)

Todd Grantham. Brings a lot of defensive coaching experience from college and NFL. Tied to the area. He's a hokie.

I don't know how he is with recruiting.

I think we'd need to look for a very strong OC if we pick up a HC who is defensively minded.

Obviously Brewer since he won us the Natty upsetting * at the Shoe

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Brian Harsin from Boise St would be a good hire in my opinion and within our budget. I would also be good with Shane or Grantham (Torian as DC).

Chris Petersen was a guy I once envisioned coming to Blacksburg. His coaching style and the way Boise State played under him are impressive. I wonder if Babcock could convince him to leave his cushy gig at Washington State to migrate to Blacksburg?

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I think i'm convinced that it should be someone who's a pure salesman - sell VT and have your coordinators / positional coaches do the actual coaching.

So... Mack Brown?

I would like one football equivalent of Mike Young please

I want a coach that can give us an off-season that is less stressful than the regular season

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I think first interview question to the next HC is:
"Do you plan to let your OC run up the middle or a slant pass for every play?"
If the answer is "Yes" then NEXT! Is what Witt should say.

I'm confused. I thought the consensus was more power football and throws over the middle and fewer jet sweeps and WR screens.

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Don't suppose Chis Peterson, despite stepping down, would be interested?

Save for a 1 year stint at Pitt in the 90s, the guy is west coast all the way. That admin role at UW is a dream job for a coach who's done coaching. Better hours, decent pay, still has access. I'd love to have him, but I doubt he's in the cards.

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Todd Grantham and have him bring Torrian Gray home too.

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Since this is a space for dreaming big... what about Kellen Moore, I assume he is available after the regime change in Dallas.

Would be a really interesting and creative hire. However, he's never recruited, he's never coached in college, and he's never been an HC. The middle one is most concerning to me - how is he going to perform when he doesn't have the same level of athletes as the competition? How is he going to do working within NCAA time limits for practice?

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If I'm Whit, here's what I'm thinking about:

  • You need a coach who can win now. There's 19 returning starters, and the fan base is eager to find out if this rebuild was for real or if it was bullshit.
  • In order to get those 'quick wins' for the fan base, you need someone who can win on offense with the players in place. Doesn't have to be the same offense as Fuente, but it should be similar.
  • You keep the defensive staff in tact - I imagine that there will be a financial penalty if we 'fire' all the guys we just 'hired,' so I think it makes sense to keep them (and I was honestly excited about this staff) - This probably means hiring a 'CEO' or an offensive minded coach. IF Fuente takes Claeys and Teerlinck, you might be able to go defensive.
  • You need people who understand the state of VA, preferably people who have connections between the DMV and Charlotte. Doesn't need to be the HC, but we need people on offense who understand the state.

Here's my list of mildly realistic hires who could be a fit:

  • Tony Elliott - Clemson OC - runs a similar offense, would probably be okay with letting JHam run the defense given the rumors that Clemson wanted to hire him away this offseason
  • Stiney - ODU position coach - comes in cheap, proven recruiter, would leave money hire a top of the line OC
  • Shane Beamer - Same as Stiney, although I'm not convinced he wants to follow EXACTLY in his father's footsteps.
  • Neal Brown - WVU HC - his 'remixed' air raid relies heavily on RPOs. Not sure how easy the transition would be.
  • Todd Graham - VT ties, might be a good fit if Fuente takes his guys on defense, but would have to bring in his own OC. If he rans a scheme similar to Mullen, it could be a relatively easy transition.
  • Ken Niumatalolo - It's been reported that Coach Ken doesn't want to run the triple; he does it out of necessity. If he runs an RPO based offense out of the shotgun, it could be an interesting hire.
  • Joe Moorhead - His offense would work well with Hooker and our receivers. He knows the area well from his days at PSU/Fordham. Reservations based on his Miss St tenure.

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Stiney - ODU position coach

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Elliot or shane for me but sweet jesus I wasnt nothing to do with Niumatalolo being an army fan I've watched his stuff I'm not sold he could do more than a triple option.

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Good list. Add Will Healy and Billy Napier?

Napier is a great coach, but I don't think he has any ties to the region.

I know there's a lot of love for Healy, and I think he's a great coach, but he seems to have a propensity for rebuilds (not unlike Taggart). I don't think the fans can handle another rebuild.

Mike Houston is an interesting name that was left off the list. I don't know much about scheme though.

Edit: I'd be okay with Healy if we surrounded him with experienced assistants. Not sure how doable that is.

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There won't be 19 returning starters. There will be heavy attrition no matter who is hired. That's standard

There are two kinds of successful coaches out there: subject matter experts / tacticians and motivators.

The playoff had a 50/50 split of each: motivators in Dabo and Coach O; tacticians in Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day.

By most accounts, Justin Hamilton is relatable and seems to have that "it" factor you need from an inspirational coach. Promote him to head coach on the cheap, and reallocate head coaching budget to $1.5M coordinators, recruiters, and support staff. This would maintain continuity with roster / recruits / certain staff.

The man was coaching at VMI a year ago. We cannot make him the head coach. We probably should not have made him the DC, to be honest. Fuente was too busy browsing Indeed.com to balk at the notion of bringing on a DC with 10 months total in FBS.

Have we ever had a black head ball coach in football? Just a question out of curiosity, now that we are seeing eric bienemy and Tony Eliot names out there

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Yes...

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We were truly spoiled. Beamer was a man of the people.

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I want Sam Rogers with 10-15 years more experience.

Willie Fritz - criminally ignored this past carousel, would take the job, top-notch offensive coach, showed ability to enact thought-out, energizing recruiting campaigns in engaging New Orleans
Tony Elliott - kinda speaks for itself
Joe Moorehead - Had his problems in starkville but i'd put a lot of that on that school, still has a super high ceiling and would actually have a competent QB here;

This is assuming Fickell is holding out for a B10 job, and my understanding that Heupel's buyout is something absurd like $15mil atm.

Also seen rumors we're high on Healey. Definitely intriguing but that seems like a bit massive of a jump

Moorehead just took another position FWIW

Yeah but as an OC. Many contracts, especially for former head coaches, include language that allows them to leave for a step up. Not ideal, obviously, but wouldn't be unprecedented.

Luke Fickell

I saw Beamer's Auto Garage actually likes this too.

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Even if he did come in and was really successful, he'd probably jump if Ohio State came calling.

My ideal is someone who potentially would stick around long term, even if he was really successful.

lol, literally every coach would do that. i'd be more worried about Fickell making a lateral move to something like Michigan State though, just because he likes and can recruit the midwest.

For the money, I'd probably look at a really successful offensive coordinator and bring him in to be HC. I doubt we get a coach that's been really successful as a current HC unless they're G5 or FCS. We could take another chance on an up and coming coach, but we run the risk of being a stepping stone to whoever's ideal coaching position.

I'd also ideally like to get someone with ties to SW Virginia or to Tech specifically in the hopes that, assuming they are successful, they'll stick around longer term.

Good people skills seems to go without saying, especially given some of the challenges and frustrations people have had with Fuente (helps with recruiting too).

Any chance there's someone like that who is an NFL offensive coordinator? (someone coming from the NFL may be less likely to disrupt the defensive hires we made as well and be good for recruiting)

Those would be the things I'd look for, not sure if anybody fits that profile.

I'd kill for Mike Leach. Hell, he probably hasn't even set up his desk yet in Starkville.

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Hardest pass possible, most overrated coach in the business.

Yea but he answers questions and is entertaining

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Herbie and Marty officially endorsing Shane...

Better be cheap...

No doubt. And would leave a bunch of room for a great staff around him. Plus he gets VT. Can imagine former players back on the sidelines in force.

Michael Vick just tweeted endorsing Shane too

They ask you how you are and you just have to say that you're fine when you're not really fine.

You got an embed? I don't see it on his feed

Wow. Shots fired. That is a serious endorsement from one of our all-time greats. I have to think most player alumni would feel the same way.

Edit: RIP i was too slow

They ask you how you are and you just have to say that you're fine when you're not really fine.

I'd be ok with this. He'd come cheap, he wouldn't be a threat to leave after a few years and he does have a lot of connections in the coaching world. He has a passion for VT and I think he could excel in a Dabo this role, IF we can get good coordinators to go with him.

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#HereShaneYouDrive

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So we're all in agreement, then?

Shane to head coach
Keep the current defensive staff but replace Teerlinck with Prunty
Hire Rich Rod as OC

Thank guys, I'll call the stablemaster

No Shane, no Fickell (it would be like hiring Will Muschamp without the "I am having a brain hemorrhage" facial expressions.

The UNC-C guy is intriguing. If the resources aren't going to be there, you need a high energy guy who can drive improvement, versus someone who is sitting back and waiting for others to fix it for him. He sounds like that guy. Unfortunately, I haven't seen enough of his offense to know if I dig it. But, I also expect an offensive-oriented head coach.

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Would love to hear more of your thoughts on why not Shane. I think he could bring in a good staff, former players would have his back, and would handle recruiting like a big time program. I personally would much rather explore that first before going for a relatively unknown outsider who likes to run around shirtless and make the locker room a night club.

No Shane because if his name wasn't Beamer, someone with his resume would be laughed out of Merrymen if they applied for the job.

Plus, at some point they have to move away from Beamer. There are a bunch of issues I had with Fuente, but there was one way I was sympathetic. Beamer was always around the program. Bud was there as a caretaker for that legacy. Even this latest round of hires doesn't feel like they are all "his guys." In a job which requires the full buck to stop at your doorstep, having those kinds of ghosts is not easy to work around.

Imagine, if Dooley had not been fired in the midst of scandal, and Frank is in year 3 of losing at Dooley is in the booth, doing on the field ceremonies, a constant reminder of past glories. Frank would not have survived it (he barely did without it.)

To me, they need to find a younger version of Mike Young. Someone who will make the donors squeal with delight, someone who can be dynamic and engaging with the fan base, and someone who can win over recruits with the force of personality. A proficient offensive mind would help. Then build something. I don't believe Fickell or Shane are that guy. The UNC-C guy may be... and the fact that he is established in the area where VT has to improve recruiting to take the next step (not the 757, but Charlotte/Greensboro/Rock Hill corridor) would help. Then, if Whit truly sees Hamilton as a big upside DE, you can keep Hamilton, Tapp, and Smith on staff to help in Virginia.

Again, I am just spit-balling here. And I would be happy to be wrong. But, I am not feeling it. Shane hasn't even been able to get a G5 HC job, yet supposedly wants to be a HC. WHY? Just keep asking yourself that. Something is there.

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"Someone who will make the donors squeal with delight, someone who can be dynamic and engaging with the fan base"

That to me is Shane. To be honest, I'd immediately up my donation. I don't think another Mike Young type exists. I was really hoping Fuente wouldn't leave for a few more years so Shane could go coach a g5 program for a few years, but this is the hand we're dealt.

That said, I trust Whit to make the right hire.

If his last name wasn't Beamer, people would be asking why Vick and Marty wanted to hire Lincoln Riley's coffee boy. His work in Blacksburg doesn't seem to be highly regarded, and he hasn't gotten a sniff as a HC even at a G5 level. That isn't an accident.

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Shane is a hard no for me also. In fuente's defense, he has been in the shadow of Frank. But fuente rubs players and fans the wrong way. Whether he leaves tomorrow or 5 years from now, I dont see him changing. I also dont see this team progressing under his tenure. Next head coach needs to have a personality that is magnetizing instead of polarizing.

Why is everybody calling for him to be the coach?

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Actually, I'm not convinced of that. Plenty of coaches have come from weird hires, and Shane has an incredible resume of people he has studied under. Dabo had never been a HC and was just an AHC. If we remove the Beamer last name it is less sexy, but if Whit hired someone with his resume and no name attached, I think we'd be very excited.

I definitely hear where you're coming from and understand that Fuente never got a true break from the Beamer era. Had he been coaching out of his mind and we simply just didn't have the horses, I would be more sympathetic to that narrative. But you can't ignore the fact that most of the media, former players, and fans have just about had it with Fuente. VT football isn't recognizable, relatable, or fun anymore. The timing is absolutely horrendous to be looking for a new coach. I'm all for bringing in a more qualified candidate if available, but odds are that won't happen at this juncture.

If tasked with hiring a budget-conscious coach who is young and energetic, again I say why not Shane? I see him as a CEO type that will use his experience in programs far more advanced than ours to run a better ship. I think he would be affordable and would bring a really good staff to surround himself. If it's between that and the UNC-C guy, why take another unknown risk and go outside the Hokie tree? The fan base and football alumni need unity right now. If we hire an outsider and all he wants to do is have strobe lights in the locker room, most people are tuning out instantly. Like it or not, that isn't the VT football identity.

Shane is definitely a risk, but he's the most mitigated and motivated risk we have. He has connections all over the country, he's a solid recruiter, he has seen the innards of a championship caliber program, and he, like Mike Young, would view this as his dream job and give it his all.

Our backs may be against the wall. If we are taking a shot in the dark, I would feel much better with Shane than the alternatives.

So much this. If we're going to take a risk, at least Shane won't view us as a stepping stone. He knows how to run a program, he knows VT, let him come home. I highly doubt he runs the program into the ground. Which is a big risk at this point in the game.

Someone who will make the donors squeal with delight, someone who can be dynamic and engaging with the fan base, and someone who can win over recruits with the force of personality.

Is this not Shane Beamer? I'm not seeing any other names being tossed out by national media and HOF players other than Shane Beamer.

And for the record, not one donor squealed with delight over Mike Young.

Finally, to turn the name thing on its head - what if every G5/P5 that interviewed Shane passed because as soon as he was successful he would be back in Blacksburg???

And for the record, not one donor squealed with delight over Mike Young.

I did.

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I liked the hire too, but I was there for the Buzz press conference, and I was there for the MY press conference.

Walking out of that one in April 2019 was really disheartening, despite how much I already loved Mike Young for who he was.

The UNC-C coach was also influenced by Dabo's coaching philosophy.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27631731/how-dabo-swinn...

So if it is Will Healy, I am guardedly intrigued. While it would be great having an offensive minded coach, which Fuente was touted to be, I think it would be better to have a CEO-type coach who enables the coaches to do what they know best.

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I don't disagree with some of your points here, but this:

No Shane because if his name wasn't Beamer, someone with his resume would be laughed out of Merrymen if they applied for the job.

What's on his resume?

Not for nothing, but Tech players were amped to play for Shane in the 2014 military bowl. Haven't seen anything close to that for Fuente during his time here.

Also, we've seen more former players and national media personalities reach out in the last 24 hours in support of Shane's potential hiring then have done so in what seems like all of Fuente's tenure too.

Agree with all of this except

There are a bunch of issues I had with Fuente, but there was one way I was sympathetic. Beamer was always around the program. Bud was there as a caretaker for that legacy. Even this latest round of hires doesn't feel like they are all "his guys." In a job which requires the full buck to stop at your doorstep, having those kinds of ghosts is not easy to work around.

Fuente came into this with his eyes wide open. He even acknowledged it in his introductory press conference by saying "you don't want to be the guy that follows the guy".

Here's my hot take: I'm not worried.

VT will have a head football coach for 2020, and VT will have assistant coaches for 2020. And all of those people will be qualified coaches, because Whit will hire (or retain) the HC, and the HC will hire / retain the others. The process starts with Whit, and he is excellent.

Personally, I like Fuente and think he's a good coach. But I don't think he's an incredible coach a la Saban or Dabo or our very own Frank Beamer. Fuente is a very good coach, but there are other very good coaches also.

Perhaps the only thing that really worries me is the domino effect that Fuente leaving could have - specifically, players hitting the portal or declaring for the draft. Because I do think that Fuente or any other very good coach can do very well in 2020 with the players we have coming back, and can figure out an effective recruiting strategy.

I like Fuente, but I also don't think he's irreplaceable. In Whit we trust. All will be well when the dust settles.

...having said all that, I would sincerely feel very bad for guys like JHam, Tapp, and Smith who left well-paying jobs and presumably relocated their families to Blacksburg and may end up being shafted by all this.

The staff is also far larger than them - guys like John Iezzi worked hard to get back to VT, and now that might be up in the air. There are the GAs that don't know what will happen. And not to mention the new hire that Fuente just made to replace Bartlestein.

Chris Peterson left Washington and has great head coaching experience there and Boise State. From the West Coast - but a proven builder of 2nd tier programs without elite money.

Shane is not a crazy idea. People that think you need to have been a head coach to be a head coach won't complain when they get their next promotion.

Also hear me out - Rich Rodriguez. Rich Rod is a savant of the spread, knows the region, and can identify talent. He was one Pitt loss away from a national title game at WVU.

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Chris Peterson is a much better coach than Fuente. I would shit my pants if he would come to VT and coach. He would own the coastal division in short order.