Big Ten announces along with PAC12 conference only football schedule.

This could be the first major domino. Although I don't see the rational. Rutgers to Lincoln is father than Ohio U to Columbus for example or State College to Blacksburg. Unless it's to ensure conference standards for testing etc are met.

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Just waiting for the season to be postponed or canceled...except for maybe the $EC

I mean, it minimizes exposure, since you're staying within your own conference bubble I guess? Also, of course Penn State would be coming to Blacksburg this year just to get cancelled.

Better replace that, cancelling it outright would be bs. Maybe we have some slots to spare.. say maybe one of the at Liberty games πŸ™‚

Purely money. Conference games revenue stay 100% in conference. Non-con is split.

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Curious if they have to pay the buy outs to the G5 and FCS schools if those teams have a full season.

Probably a moot point, I don't think there will be CFB at all in the fall.

Would assume they would just default. Claim force majeure, and let the other school sue you.

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Yep there is no way you can spin this as for player and coach safety. Fly halfway across the country is okay because conference but a few hours on a bus is not because it's non-con? Don't make sense.

Thinking about this further...

If they really cared about player and fan safety, then they would cancel the season. If they wanted to limit, play local/regional teams (within driving distance to reduce travel and eliminate hotels) in empty stadiums.

Maryland traveling to Madison is way more dangerous than then driving 87 miles to UVA, and going back home after the game.

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I'm with you there. It's not like you can't get the virus if you only plain in-conference games. I think the best solution is to, just as you mentioned, play schools within your state and in bordering states. David Teel has been a strong proponent of that for FCS schools.

I am the heartbeat of Blacksburg. A fortress built out of stone but made with champions.

If all the other conferences follow suit, what is Notre Dame going to do? Does this finally push them into the ACC? That would be interesting.

Notre Dame will play a schedule of home and homes with Army, UConn, UMass, BYU, and New Mexico State before they join the ACC.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

As long as they have NBC backing them you are correct.

Another undefeated year, wow Lou Holtz was right

Aaaaand here's your answer

Look on the bright side. We may be able to trade James Franklin for another shot at Brian "I'll Kill a Kid for the Vid" Kelly.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Even during Covid, we get on our knees for Notre Dame... unreal.

Eventually the conference needs to use its leverage to force the issue. Enough of this dΓ©tente that Swofford seems content with

What leverage is that?

agreed. ACC have no leverage. Notre Dame has the conference by the balls.

The ACC benefits from playing Notre Dame in football.

Agreed. It's less ideal than Notre Dame as a full member but it provides regular games against an opponent with national brand recognition and the ACC is woefully short on those matchups.

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In what way? The absurd TV and bowl deals beg to differ

Game receipts, cable/tv viewership, more marquee games for the conference, (Notre Dame is absolutely a marquee game).

They can make the argument that they're special because they are. They have six games scheduled with the ACC this year. If I were the ACC commissioner, I'd try to make sure those games got played.

Game Receipts...maybe.. everything else- nope. Our TV deal would be better if they actually moved the needle there. Are they a better opponent for Syracuse than Buffalo? Yes. Could Syracuse get other decent games like they did for 150 years before a one sided association with ND? Yes. Did BC play ND every year before ND joined as an associate member? Yes. Could BC still schedule ND? yes. It is and always will be a total one-sided deal.

Virginia Tech NEVER played Notre Dame before this deal.

So I'd argue that VT and VT fans got a benefit. I've enjoyed those games.

Yeah, they got a sweetheart deal. Because they're a sweetheart. And they'll likely KEEP getting a sweetheart deal as long as they can get an independent network deal with NBC.

Virginia Tech could have scheduled Notre Dame, prior to giving their hoops teams the best conference for little in return. Virginia Tech also scheduled some other very good non con games like Bama, LSU, OSU, etc.

Absolutely. But they hadn't.

I have an uncle who LOVES Notre Dame football. He's also a fan of VT. He's in his nineties, and he got to see them play in football. I got to see that game as well.

Before the deal, we hadn't played them EVER. Now we've played them three times. For me, that's worth it.

I traveled to South Bend for the first game. Great time. 1000% better than traveling to Duke or Nc State, etc. Not debating that. I'm debating the "I'll trade you a pet rock for microsoft futures" deal we signed with them.

And I'm pointing out that we didn't get a pet rock. We (VT) get to play Notre Dame with some element of regularity, where we NEVER played them before.

Yes, if you want premium stock shares, you have to pay premium stock prices. Generally speaking, though, they sell for a premium because they're worth a premium.

I'm debating the "I'll trade you a pet rock for microsoft futures" deal we signed with them.

Explain why you think the deal is that lopsided with actual facts rather than hyperbole and I'm all ears.

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"They steal a bowl game from us and didn't improve our TV deal enough" is the only rational explanation I've ever heard from him on the topic.

That sounds about right, though.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Notre Dame gets: The best olympic conference to park their hoops teams in and an elite olympic conference overall. They keep their NBC football deal, They are not members of the football conference, thus still controlling their football schedule, they share in the ACC's bowl pecking order- since bowls for independents are bunk.

The ACC gets: an average of 5 games with ND football each year- many neutral site games, btw. And stays in the russell athletic bowl rota until the deal comes up. ND "helps" the ACC get a horrible, laughable TV deal from ESPN.

Think that covers it.

Notre Dame had their NBC football deal regardless so I don't know why that's being considered a factor in their deal with the ACC.

Out of 30 games against ACC teams since 2013, only 4 of them have been neutral site. Out of those 4, 3 were against Syracuse and neither Cuse nor ND has had a home game in that span. The other neutral site game was against Boston College in Fenway Park in 2014 but ND played at BC in 2017 so it seems like that was a one time deal at a historic stadium.

Finally, I don't see why ND is being held responsible for the ACC's TV deal. It seems obvious to me that games with Notre Dame appeal to a national audience so there is added value to leverage. Whether or not Swofford or the ACC took advantage of that is a completely different argument, but that wasn't ND's responsibility.

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I don't get the hate on the neutral site ND games. Most of them are part of their Shamrock Series where they move one of their home games to a neutral site. The others (such as the Wake and GT games this year) involved the ACC team moving their home game. In GT's case, they've agreed to play one home game a year at the Falcons stadium, and the ND game was chosen as that game this year.

Agreed. The bowl selection and bowl revenue portions are not great but otherwise these arguments aren't moving the needle for me.

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The PAC12 would like a word with you about best olympic conference. I am pretty sure Stanford, UCS and UCLA have more titles in olympic sports than pretty much everyone else combined (a little hyperbole). Those 3 have 100+ championships each, OK state is 4th with 52.

Sorry but I lean more toward Orion86's perspective in that conversation. We all agree that the ACC doesn't have very many schools that move the needle in football and Notre Dame does that, so they add more value in comparison to the average ACC school (hell, probably any ACC school). That's certainly not great for the ACC but let's recognize that every single conference already has select schools that add drastically more value than others in their conference. Texas is probably the prime example of a school that tried to leverage excess value for their brand compared to the rest of the conference. The Longhorn Network has not been successful, which should negatively impact Notre Dame's leverage if we get to the point of discussing full membership.

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Yes, because companies with half billion valuation often freely give tens of millions of their own money away to competitors. Happens all the time.

Well, you said you wanted facts and you choose to believe in the argument using none. you may want to look at the difference between the Longhorn Network and Notre Dame's NBC contract if that's the basis of your belief. They are very different.

I took the time to read your posts and I respectfully disagree, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to take such a condescending tone. It's also a fact that as I stated, every single conference already has select schools that add drastically more value than others in their conference. And yet we see those schools (or companies, as you are using for your argument) seemingly sacrifice value to competitors for some reason.

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Apologies Shake. I was condescending.

What you say is correct. Every conference has schools that are more valuable. The difference is that they are already part of an in-conference deal. They have been in those agreements for very long time before the advent of tv rights.

Notre Dame is different. They were never in an in-conference agreement. And even now with the ACC they have a foot in and a foot out.

With only half their games they already doubled the network value. Their contract with NBC as a single team for just home games is huge and they over any other school have been the most fiercely independent. There is no way that they will simply agree to take massively less money by adding their additional home games as equal value. Why would they do that? Why would anyone do that? Also they are a private school and are a business, unlike state schools, and have always sought to maximize their brand value over anyone else. That is not going to suddenly change.

You and Orion are both trying to use reference examples as facts but those are not apples to apples. The proof is already in the contracts as written with hard monetary figures.

Honestly I don't disagree with anything that you said in that post. However, I believe the long term play for the ACC is that Notre Dame becomes more closely aligned and entrenched with the conference and the value of their home games starts to enter the same stratosphere as ACC games.

You're right the current deals make it clear that ND would be foolish to join and obviously as long as NBC or another network continues to shell out drastically more, full membership under the current equity sharing terms is not going to happen. Even though we know what NBC spent for ND games, we don't know how much money NBC is making from them. We've seen networks (Fox) and companies (UA) make massive deals for sports rights which eventually proved to be colossal business mistakes.

Personally I believe the value of Notre Dame games will decrease relative to other P5 games over time. Maybe it decreases enough that we get Notre Dame as full members, maybe we have a little more leverage in negotiating the terms of partial membership, or maybe the agreement ends and Notre Dame walks. Even in the last case, the ACC is back where it was anyway with the conference controlling the bowl money and bowl selection again and ACC games are back to having less value without Notre Dame.

If you believe Notre Dame's value will continue to grow at a faster rate than other P5 teams, then we have the option to let them walk or give up more to get them back. At that point they'll have had 20 years of affiliation with the ACC that they'll be disconnecting from as well, which might impact the decision.

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Yeah and this is my point about you and Orion not using facts and just using reference examples and belief:

Personally I believe the value of Notre Dame games will decrease relative to other P5 games over time. Maybe it decreases enough that we get Notre Dame as full members, maybe we have a little more leverage in negotiating the terms of partial membership,

The value is not going to decrease this much if at all. Their value was an additional 19 million to the network, and the NBC contract is another 15 on top of that. There is no way it decreases to equal value. Notre Dame at it's worst was still more valuable. That's proven in real numbers, not blind faith belief.

or maybe the agreement ends and Notre Dame walks. Even in the last case, the ACC is back where it was anyway with the conference controlling the bowl money and bowl selection again and ACC games are back to having less value without Notre Dame.

The problem you're not recognizing is that this would destroy the ACC network. Without ND we couldn't even get a network deal. Only with Notre Dame in for half we could. What do you think happens if our most valuable asset who's games are more than double the value of ALL other ACC school games walks away? Kiss the ACC network goodbye, or we move it to youtube or hulu maybe.

If you believe Notre Dame's value will continue to grow at a faster rate than other P5 teams, then we have the option to let them walk or give up more to get them back. At that point they'll have had 20 years of affiliation with the ACC that they'll be disconnecting from as well, which might impact the decision.

again, this is just missing the facts of the contracts as they are written right now. You need to go through and read them. ND is hedging their bets right now. Their NBC contract runs until 2025, the exact year the Bowl Championship Series contract ends. At that time the big decision will be whether or not ONLY conference champions are allowed in. If that vote succeeds then ND will be forced to join a conference. If not they renegotiate with NBC.

But while the contract states they will join ACC, there is a buyout penalty which ND can afford, easily.

So there are only 2 scenarios if the Bowl Championship is restricted to conference champions:
ND is forced to join and will absolutely renegotiate with ACC, which we have zero bargaining power.
or, They walk and join another conference, which kills the network.

In both scenarios ND wins. The ACC deal handed our nutsack on a silver platter.

So if the ACC couldn't get a network deal without ND, weren't we screwed as a conference eventually anyway? The ACC would have even less chance at courting Notre Dame in 2025 and the conference would be worth even less. You say Notre Dame has the ACC by the balls but if the conference was going to fail without them and at least has a chance to gain traction with them... seems like we didn't have a choice.

Ultimately I still think you're highly focused on valuations at the time of these contracts but things can change very quickly (UCLA's UA deal for example). I'm not saying Notre Dame will diminish in value to become Wake Forest but if they are closer to a Clemson or FSU, then the intrinsic value of joining a conference could bridge some of that financial gap, which I agree will undoubtedly still exist.

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Yes. you're first paragraph is on point. The network already failed. Swofford couldn't get a deal. Abject failure. ND inclusion saved it. That alone proves ND has more bargaining power in the deal. Add all the facts I am pointing out about their NBC contract and 2025 bowl championship series and the ACC is even more dependent on ND. it's not my belief, this is just the reality. that's why I say they have the ACC by the balls. they already do and the grip is getting tighter every year.

Regarding focus on valuation. It's not my focus, it's how the deal happened. Swofford couldn't get a deal because we weren't valuable enough to the network. That's not me, that's ESPN. Half of ND games added more value than all of ACC, again not me. ND's NBC contract value is almost as much as our entire network without ND, again not me.

If you say you want to see facts then those should already be more than enough to prove it to you. Can't get more factual than cold, hard cash.

In that case, I think it's worth reexamining what the root issue is. Some people continue to hammer that the Notre Dame deal is terrible and the ACC gave up too much but since you're saying the ACC doesn't have value without ND, then the ND deal really isn't the problem. The problem is that the ACC had very little inherent value in the first place.

Essentially, Notre Dame can't have the ACC by the balls because the ACC didn't have any balls in the first place.

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The ACC is only as good as the ACC team records. You want better deals? Win your games!

Both of you have made a very spirited argument in favor of the deal Swofford made with Notre Dame in the mean time.

Root issue is John Swofford. He's self-serving, nepotistic and ssssllloooowwww to grab the market. While the other conferences were rushing to secure network deals this dumbass sat on his hands. The value we got from ESPN is, in my opinion, not the true value of the ACC but the value of an additional conference network deal to them and the market at that time. Opportunity cost screwed us and whatever amazing strategy he thought he had to get a better deal by waiting so long obviously blew up in his face.

Any decent Conference commissioner should be able to secure a network deal with Clemson, FSU, Miami, ACC Basketball all involved. That should have been a slam dunk. He fucked it up by depending on all the bullshit ways he runs the ACC to make a deal and hit a market that didn't have time for it and was at that point, i think, 5 or 7 years down the road on other network deals.

The amount of lost revenue to ACC schools because of him is criminal.

And so far, we've played them twice in South Bend and once in Blacksburg. We don't get the home end from last year until 2021, so there's no benefit to us right now. The next time we play them is 2027 and 2028, so they will probably get the '27 home game. After that it's 2033 and 2036, so they are definitely getting a bigger benefit out of this deal than we are.

The same goes for all of the ACC. ND is getting the benefit of having games scheduled for them without the problems other ACC teams have with scheduling OOC games. See this year's PSU game as a perfect example.

I don't care if we play ND. They aren't a sweetheart. They get the vast majority of the benefits from the deal the ACC gave them without sharing in the consequences the vast majority of the ACC teams face.

We don't get the home end from last year until 2021, so there's no benefit to us right now.

I don't even understand what you mean with that. I see that as a premium game on our 2021 schedule.

A lot of folks seem to think our O will be better this year, and we have one of the best CB pairs in the country. We likely lose Farley after this year. So having a "premium" game on our schedule next year when we don't get the benefit of experience this year.

I have enjoyed having ND on schedule. I wish for every Furman game we could replace it with a P5 opponent. Better games, better schedules, is what is needed to revitalize college football. As for the actual deal with ND, maybe it could be better but it seems to be the least of the problems we have at the moment.

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The idea was that any game ND plays at an ACC school will be broadcasted on the ACC network, which, in theory, would incentive one of the largest fan bases in the country to demand the ACC network.

Per Fireman's recent post, ND got $6.8M this year from their ACC deal, which means at worst, each ACC school is missing out on a half million dollars.

Personally, I think this is working out fine for the ACC. I'd imagine than ND is 'growing the pie' by at least $5M/year. It would be preferable if they were a full member, but I think this is a win-win for both sides.

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ND gets all of the benefits of conference membership with little of the burden. They get a part in our bowl lineup and bowl revenue sharing; they get nearly half of their schedule set for them each year, usually with at least one marquee ACC team, reducing their scheduling burden; they get the benefit of a 12 game schedule, with half of those games against ACC competition, without having to worry about competing in a conference championship. The current deal definitely favors ND much more than it benefits the ACC. I doubt the Big 10 would have made this sweetheart deal if the ACC hadn't.

It's incredibly hard today with a 12 game regular schedule to manage a competitive, playoff caliber schedule as an independent. Other than their traditional rivalries (and even some of those are being reduced), it's tough to get a P5 level schedule and work to line that up for 12 games each year. This arrangement eliminates a huge part of that burden for them, but they still don't have to play in a conference championship game to make it to the playoff. Clemson should have blown them out in the ACCCG in 2018 and not in a playoff semi. But they make it to a playoff game and rake in the cash (remember - they share none of theIr bowl revenue if they make a NY6 game, but they take a cut of the ACC's if they don't). That's why I think the deal is BS.

Yep.

The ACC teams don't have to work quite as hard to schedule Notre Dame, either.

Like most contracts, both Notre Dame and the ACC get something out of it.

Getting ND on ACC teams' schedules more frequently compared to all the aforementioned benefits to ND in helping them make NY6/playoff games more regularly without having to play a championship game or share NY6 bowl revenue doesn't seem like fair consideration at all to me. Honestly getting them on ACC schedules probably is more of a benefit to them than us. What would be their alternative - scrambling to pick up G5 games late in the season to fill their schedule? But we can agree to disagree.

The biggest gripe is the NBC TV deal Notre Dame has in its pocket while the ACC is stuck in the Stone Age of TV deals. Thanks Swofford.

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You want to talk about fair consideration in the ND deal - why the hell couldn't Swofford have leveraged our partnership with ND to create an ACC network facilitated by NBC sports years ago? Now we are talking about true partnership and not catering to their needs. But that would have taken too much creativity and foresight, things in which Swofford is sorely lacking.

It's just like the VT-Nike deal. Yes, Nike has the brand recognition, just like ESPN with sports. But when the company values certain clientele strongly over others (Nike's top college deals, ESECPN), there isn't much value in the brand if the brand doesn't value you, as evidenced by the horrible ACCN revenues and extremely late network launch with ESPN.

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Well said. I don't give a crap about playing ND. I'd rather see the ACC work on partnerships with the Big 10 and SEC OOC games. Financially, ND does nothing for VT in direct revenue and they got the HUGE benefit of becoming part of ACC basketball.

Even during Covid, Swofford gets on his knees for Notre Dame... unreal.

FTFY

You want to force them to play with another conference?

Because seriously, if we chose to shut them out, someone else would take those games.

The ACC worked really hard to develop this relationship, and does get something out of it.

... so, are we just going to fill the rest of the schedule by including 4 more teams from the atlantic side?

Nope fewer games.

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With only 8-9 games you're gonna have a bunch of teams undefeated or with one loss. Theyre either gonna have to expand the schedule of expand the playoff

If everyone only plays conference games, then you're going to have plenty of tiebreakers to make most cases.

I mean it doesn't stretch the imagination very much to see where this breaks down.

Florida loses crossover to LSU and runs the table. LSU loses to Bama to go 7-1. 8-0 Bama beats 7-1 Florida to win SEC championship. Would you really leave LSU out of the playoff? You can repeat this and more complicated scenarios in every other P5 conference.

No matter what happens there's going to be asterisk on whoever wins the natty this season (If there is one) because of this.

Same argument as any other season. LSU had their shot against Bama. If there are 3 other teams in the 0-1 loss window, then LSU doesn't go.

Yeah but no one would be okay with that. Also there's 5 major conferences not 4

Would you really leave LSU out of the playoff?

Well... Yeah. Obviously if other conferences all have 1 and 2 loss champions then you might circle back to LSU but that situation doesn't really sound different from what we experience every year with a full schedule.

Also if you said that Florida beats Alabama in the SECCG and Florida, Bama, and LSU each have 1 loss then the condensed scheduled does potentially become more problematic.

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I was originally going to say if Florida beats Bama but thought that's pretty unlikely. If that were the case though then you have a big problem. Multiply that among all the P5 conferences then you can add a couple dominant G5 undefeateds and you could potentially have 10-12 teams with good claims to being in the playoff. Less games means less clarity on who's good and who's deserving to be in.

I'm also trying to look at this through the lens of what would be the coolest reg season and playoff format that could come out of this, not what's most likely to happen.

You think they're going to have a playoff this year?

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I would think the TV money alone would be worth it for them to have it providing all of P5 plays a similar number of games (providing we even have any games of course).

I could see it done at the same stadium with all 4 teams staying in a bubble for the two weeks.

Man, I honestly don't think we'll get to week 3 of the season this year before its all shut down, if it ever starts at all

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You think we'll get that far? I think we're going to see an unfortunate explosion in cases with MLB by the 2nd week of August, they'll shut it down, and the rest of the Fall sports world will just throw their arms up and say eff it.

I personally think that the decision to cancel the season has already been made, and instead of just outright saying it and dealing with the backlash (both from fans and from high profile politicians) they're going to slowly cancel everything between now and the scheduled start to ease us into it.

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I have a very very hearsay source that says fall is done and everyone is working towards spring football.

I happened to catch PTI last night and they were basically saying the same thing. They referenced something that Herbstreit said back in March when he asked if he thought there would be football in the fall, and he was very quick to say no. I think the question now comes down to can there be a spring season and can football get back on to a fall schedule in 2021. Lots of debate everywhere as to whether or not that is feasible for many reasons like seniors forgoing a spring schedule to prep for the draft, the shortened time between seasons, etc.

If college football runs their season in the spring, the NFL will absolutely shift their schedule to accommodate. Combine in May, draft in June, OTAs in July. Honestly the only reason it's so spread or right now is so that the NFL is at least somewhat relevant 12 months out of the year.

We finally have a gun to ND's head and chapel hill swofford is on his knees handing said gun over.

Unbelievable. Unsurprising, but unbelievable.

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Unbelievable. Unsurprising, but unbelievable.

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"We finally have a gun to ND's head"

I don't think that's true, really.

If we pushed it during the coronavirus, not only would it be bad optics, I'd be willing to bet that other conferences would bend over backwards and forwards to accommodate them in some way.

Seriously, including Notre Dame is the smart money.

Yeah you're probably right. I just wanted to bitch about swofford and ND again.

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Avoids a scenario where one conference having a bad outbreak not impacting others. I suspect all other conferences follow suit, and I would not be surprised to see a heavy reliance on a divisional schedule across the board this year, going so far as to eliminate cross divisional games.

And all of this is assuming we even have a season, which I am very much doubting at this point.

I'm curious on what this is going to do with the OOC schedules. Is Penn St even going to bother rescheduling the game in Blacksburg? I honestly don't think they will.

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If that game gets cancelled and isn't rescheduled, is VT still on the hook for the game in Happy Valley?

Due to the Wisconsin shenanigans, it wouldn't surprise me that we'd have to play at Happy Valley and PSU gets to skip Blacksburg without any consequences.

Really really really going to miss getting a shot at James Franklin.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Seriously that guy is such a prick

I know this isn't going to be a popular sentiment here, but what's up with all of the James Franklin hate? Sure, I don't care for him because he's elevated Penn State recruiting such that they were getting guys they "shouldn't" (for when they were a 7-6 team), and are eating our lunch in the DMV area, but I don't think that justifies the hate.

I feel that all of the talk about how he's a snake and just a salesman is unfair. How many of you guys have actually met Coach Franklin? There may have been a couple of incidents where players got in trouble at Vanderbilt during his watch, but everything seems clean at Penn State. He's definitely done a good job of saying the right things publicly and even doing the right things (going after players for not going to class, not shaking hands, etc). To me, he's been so consistently good that I have a hard time believing he is dirty. If he were "that" dirty, something would have come out by now.

It's less about his actual record and more about his self righteous douche bag attitude. He's like a middle manager version of Narduzzi imo. (Basically Pat in Oakleys and a quarter zip)

Also James Franklin is a terrible 4th quarter coach.

And he puts in his first team players on a last second FG to preserve a shutout of a 1-aa team while up by 50+ points and gets mad when the media calls him a poor sport.

Wife went to Vandy. Looking at her you wouldn't think that she's all THAT into football. Seems like she puts up with it because we get to day drink.

Until James Franklin comes up and she launches into the most awful string of language about what a piece of shit he is. Apparently some sketchiness with taking a bunch of recruits with him from Vandy to PSU when he left. I don't know if that's true but she seems 100% confident.

Honestly whenever I hear 'James Franklin' without 'That motherfucking benedict arnold piece of shit' in front of the name it takes me a second to figure out and remember who he is.

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Apparently some sketchiness with taking a bunch of recruits with him from Vandy to PSU when he left.

My Vanderbilt friend who is also not that into college football says the exact same thing.

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Playing devil's advocate here, but without knowing the details behind the recruits, isn't what he did expected? It's not uncommon at all for recruits to follow their coach when going to a new school. Buzz Williams did that both on his way here and his way out.

I don't have as close of a connection as some in this conversation, but I have had the opportunity to interact with the Mcsorley family and they really seem like good people. I don't think they would have chosen Penn State and Vandy if James Franklin were that bad.

I agree - I honestly don't know the ins and outs of the story, but I thought it was normal for a coach to take recruits with him to a new school as well. I just thought it was interesting to read a take that sounded so familiar coming from a completely random person.

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The whole point of starting the Coronavirus discussion catch-all thread was so that we didn't start a new thread every time a thing was canceled or a revised schedule was announced.

From the boilerplate in the Coronavirus thread:

We invite you to use this space to discuss important information related to the coronavirus pandemic, like important advisories, closings, cancelations, and impacts on daily life.

It's SO much easier to moderate when stuff is in one spot instead of having the same broader discussion across three or four threads (the Ivy league thread, the stanford athletics department thread, this thread, etc).

This news has direct implication for VT football (PSU-VT), but we don't need a thread that discusses the expectation of news.

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This deserved its own thread. Not only direct Tech implications (no PSU) but it's the first domino in what's likely to be major changes to college football ahead.

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It's not the "first domino" when you already posted another thread that was also "the first domino".

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That's a canceled all sports conference. Different domino.

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I would agree. The Coronavirus catch-all is much more related to discussion of the virus itself, or at least that's how I see it. This is a significant college football ramification of the virus that warranted a separate topic/thread. I personally think it's much better to have something significant in a separate thread, that way it's easily findable in the tracker. I think there's a push-pull on TKP between where to draw that line though.

Who gives a shit? Is it really that serious to get all worked up over?

Do you know how much of a sustained pain in the ass it has been for the moderator team to deal with all the COVID-related threads over the past few months?

No one's getting worked up. It's a mod requesting that we consolidate to the extent possible.

Leonard. Duh.

That was me, if you're going to be an asshole to the moderation team, I hammer you. Please understand they invest a lot of their own time to help keep the community on track and have done a great job of it under very difficult circumstances.

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This is news about the VT schedule changing, not a bunch of opinions on covid I don't want to read. I pay for this site to get VT news, not general covid news. Those other threads should deleted for all I care. I ignore them.

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Then you can understand the mod team's frustration when thread after thread goes out of bounds and we need 13 of them to keep things tidy. I just wanted to reiterate that we don't need new threads for every bit of college sports news that's covid-related, and it doesn't really make sense to keep starting (mostly) redundant new threads about Thing X Is Affected Too.

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To be fair, we needed 13 of them due to volume. Not all of them (I would say only a handful) ended in discord to the point they had to be locked. The majority were near 4-500 comments before the next one was created.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

which is exactly what we want -- one stop shop for the covid-related news and happenings aggregated in one spot and then when the thread gets big, we start another one.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just my opinion, but unless the tracker is overflowing with topics, I think separate threads are easier to navigate than the one stop shop. If I was posting this and deciding where, I too would have felt it was newsworthy enough to post as new topic. It is similar to having a recruiting news thread but creating a new topic for a commit.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

This is fair -- and this is why i like TKP so much. by and large the community is pleasant enough in explaining why they think things should be a certain way

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I appreciate the time and effort.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

We should just scrap all B1G games and try elsewhere. The only game we're gonna end up playing is Rutgers,...pass.

Can we replace a future Liberty game with Penn St, pretty pretty please?

Can we replace a future Liberty game with Penn St anyone, pretty pretty please?

FTFY

Careful. That's how you end up with 20 years of ECU.

Or 7 of ODU

I didn't say replace it with a series :-)

Wonder if the B1G will overhaul their members' schedules to give them 12 games or if they'll just stick with the originally scheduled 9 conference games. Overhauling would mean at least everyone could still get their cupcake games against Maryland and Rutgers.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Interesting thought, but I would think that maybe they would just start the season later and play a 9 game schedule.

I would be curious to see what is done about the conference championship game.

I heard through the grapevine if this happened that if one school could not play due to testing numbers or did not want to participate in the season, the void on the schedule could be filled by another conference team with a schedule opening. Maybe even playing the same team multiple weeks in a row. This season could get real weird. Apparently at least 6 games need to happen for TV revenue.

We could start a new streak against UVA this year!

I dont like to think about it in terms of streaks as much as we had a blip in reality.

EDIT: Stupid M's

I think there was a blip in that blimp.

They're playing 10 conference games, but division games first, so if another outbreak and shutdown occurs, the divisions are decided. Michigan-anOSU on Labor Day weekend anyone?

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The sooner we accept there will be no college football this year, the better off we'll be.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Man the Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?

You forgot a Michigan in there but otherwise pretty good summary

Ohio state said no more after our trip to the horseshoe.

I have no shame in saying this comment slayed me πŸ˜‚ so I took a screenshot and will be keeping it forever and always

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Make his comment your signature. That's one way to immortalize it.

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Would have to have HOAT's permission for that one. Don't wanna steal his IP!

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Not if you attributed the comment to him. Take a look at my signature, you'll see that I attributed the quote to the TKP user.

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Ok there lol. HOAT you say the word and it comes down.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

My blurry vision sees nothing wrong. I hereby grant 8300A_Hokie'12 full reproduction rights.

For my quotes in his signature.

And whatever else fits into that statement.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

I hereby grant 8300A_Hokie'12 full reproduction rights.

Too bad his wife doesn't. HEY-OHH!!!!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I think this may just be the first step toward coming to terms with no football this year. If you can play conference games you can play out of conference games. I just dont think it is going to fly this year. Which saddens me greatly.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

This is all just trying to look good while waiting to the last minute to give up your money. Getting bad publicity because you could be putting students at risk? Cancel part of the season "to be safe", but keep enough games to get your $$ from TV. Then when shit hits the fan, accept your fate at the last minute.

We should schedule ECU, to make up for it. Ya know, trade one blue chip game, for another.

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The minscule way I see us playing at all would be if the ACC restructures the schedule whereas teams a state away can play. With this we could negotiate to still play Liberty, maybe GT, UNC, maybe Pitt, Duke, and UVA. But in all honesty this will probably be a cancelled season. Hope some folks' darties were worth it.

What's a darty?

Leonard. Duh.

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ACC commish said they'll add as many games as they need to for Norte Dames schedule. Any chance we get them added on to replace Penn State?

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This seems straightforward.

- conference only games simplify the COVID rules. Each conference is talking different strategies.

- conference only games isolate conferences as much as possible in their own bubble.

- push all OOC games back a year.

- of course we want to help ND. We could get an extra ND game. How is that bad?

You can't just push OOC game back one year. In the case of PSU for example the contract says this game because of the pandemic is just canceled with nothing due from either party except PSU has to pay for half of cost of any marketing for game.

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It's funny because I feel like all of our "big" OOC 1 and 1s had the away game first. This was the first one against the norm and we get the cancelled game.

The best bet is probably that the PSU AD agrees to another 1 and 1. Unfortunately, I just don't really see why they would just agree to give us a 1 off away game out of goodwill.

You aren't imagining things. Besides WVU (which was really just a 2-year extension of a conference rivalry keeping the same home-away rotation after we left the Big East) and LSU (honestly actually surprised by this one), literally every P5 home-and-home series we've played since joining the Big East has started on the road. Seriously, Maryland (actually started just before joining the BE), Clemson, aTm, Nebraska, OSU, ND, and Purdue, who actually still hasn't made their return trip to Blacksburg yet after we traveled to West Lafayette years ago, all started on the road. And the 2-game series we scheduled with Pitt? We played one of the two, at Heinz Field, and then they joined our division.

Everybody has all the same contract problems. This doesn't seem hard to fix.

It causes a helluva lot MORE problems to not push them back. Returning teams on a home and home would want to reschedule. Teams would want to cancel one sided deals. It would be a mess.

Unless conferences are permanently going to more conference games (which i support, 10 ACC games should be standard), it makes way more sense for everyone to just bump back a year.

Except the part where most schools have at least 15 years worth of non conference games already scheduled. Pushing the 2020 slate to 2021 creates a domino effect. There's one-off neutral games in there, rivalry games. Conferences with an odd number of conference games build their non-conference schedules in a way to compensate for the unbalanced home/away cycles.

I agree that they should reschedule, but just not a wholesale "take the original schedule and add 1" method. I think the big P5 home/home matchups will get adjusted, but games where a P5 is paying a G5 or FCS team to come to their house as schedule fodder will get left out.

I guess I just don't see the difference between playing Alabama in 2034 and 2035, or playing Alabama in 2035 and 2036.

After some mathematical calculations, derivations, vector analyses, double integration and more, I've determined the difference to be one year.

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Awesome GIF! Got me cracking up.

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Ah, yes, release order, definitely the most incorrect way to watch the entire series.

This feels a ton like when they announced March Madness would be television only, then fully cancelled later. Colleges can't expect their 100+ team of 18-22 students to isolate for a full season. At some point the accountants/lawyers will crunch the numbers on what preventable student deaths will mean for schools, and make the inevitable decision

If nothing else, after this cripples all athletic departments' budgets, they're going to have to sell booze to make up lost revenue.

*There* is the silver lining!

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I thought the silver lining was that we don't have to play Liberty this year. No?

I'd still sneak in my own to avoid the rediculous prices.

I once tried to get a 12er of Natty in with a super puffy down jacket. The dude at the gate was like ... uh guy. Do you a ton of beer in your jacket? And said yeah maybe a few. He said you can't bring that in here - throw em away. So I threw out a couple and he's like I still see more in there. This happened a few more times but I ended up getting 4 or 5 in anyways. Cheers.

So assuming there actually is a season and assuming the ACC and other conferences go to an 8-game conference-only schedule, then what happens to bowl eligibility? I imagine it can't be 4 games because a lot of teams that qualify for bowls by going .500 in a normal season rack up a lot of out of conference wins. If they want to keep the same number of bowls then maybe 3-5 gets you bowl eligible?

Again, I realize there probably won't be a season let alone bowl games, but hypothetically speaking...

There's will be no college football this fall. News like this is to soften the blow and 'show' that conferences tried every alternative plan before resorting to pulling the plug but I'll bet good money there will be no sports in fall. Unfortunately, the virus is out of control in this country and will not go away in the next 2 months.

This feels like the bargaining phase of grief right now. Give it a few weeks and we will reach acceptance and cancel the fall.

I guess this is how we'll be able to "go to the game" set up the cars on the practice lot, or the Beamer Garage and play the game next door, then do some cool stuff with the fans after

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I mean if you do 8 games, give every one two weeks before games then you have a built in quarantine and your seaon is about the same length.

It seems people are assuming 8 games. I would think they'd make a new 12 game schedule assuming they start on time. More TV money for 12 games per team. For SEC, B10, ACC, obviously big 12 will struggle with that.

Dang gummit...someone Deleted my ECU comment

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Saw this tidbit on ESPN from Heather Dinich and Mark Schlabach:

The Big Ten will lose marquee nonconference matchups, including Michigan's road game at Washington on Sept. 5, Ohio State's trip to Oregon on Sept. 12, Michigan State's home game against Miami on Sept. 26, and Wisconsin's contest against Notre Dame at Lambeau Field on Oct. 3.

Alright assholes

It's Dinich, what do you expect

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I think Dinich has a real grudge against VT and our fans going back to her ACC Blog days on ESPN. I have never seen someone so consistently slight a school in their writing or reporting. Its seems as if she actively avoids ever mentioning Tech in anything

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Didn't our fan base coin the phrase "Mama Giraffe" back in the day?

I remember one VT fan twitter account had .... "Marry a Hokie, F**k Bud Foster, and Kill Dinch." Eventually that Dinch blocked that account.

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It wasn't just us, she was pretty much hated by all of us in the comment section of the ACCylum back in those days. And she completely earned it, too. The stuff she would write at times showed open disdain for having to cover the ACC to the point where she would just get facts wrong and would omit key pieces of information that would put our performance in a better light.

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Hahaha. You and I have been standing across a goddamn canyon from each other as of late, but there will always be #beerboobsbacon.

Leonard. Duh.

only disagree on CV19. Everything else, we're cool

and those days back on ESPN had some hilarious moments. I remember we had some random ass D3 game threads we would use to have side conversations. I can only imagine if someone from one of those schools had found those wondering why the fuck Holy Brook had 500 comments on a game thread from 2003

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I kind of miss the ability to comment on the mistakes that ESPN makes in their articles. Then again I think the baconfortress is part of the reason why ESPN removed the ability for anybody to leave comments.

Oh Lord, The ACCylum and the Ohio State guys were 100% why ESPN removed the ability to leave comments, and probably ABC news and NBC news as well.

Leonard. Duh.

maaannnnnnnnn i miss the ACCylum. People use to drag Heather Dinnich, i felt bad for her but some of the s*** posting was hilarious

Yessir. It's amazing to think that the senior class at VT this year was in 1st grade during the heyday of the ACCylum.

One of the funniest threads I remember was when the hashtag was born.

And still in 2020, iPolytech all day long.

Leonard. Duh.

I saw that yesterday as well. WTF. They mentioned Bowling Green as an affected OOC game.

Conspiracy Theory Leonard is burning down the barn.

Leonard. Duh.

Bitter looked into the contract. There is specific verbiage in the VT-PSU scheduling agreement that would allow Penn State to outright cancel the game in Blacksburg without penalty while still forcing us to go to Happy Valley in 2025 and still be abiding by it's terms.

So that's good....

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VT must have the worst contract negotiators

Buzz Williams Buyout
Nike Agreement
This garbage clause

I'm sure they're doing the best they can but...c'mon....

That language is standard. You can't expect a game to be played if there is a disaster that the team had no control over.

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True, but to not obligate them whatsoever to reschedule or do a revenue sharing game for the other game is what I have an issue with...

I imagine that Penn State also had the same risk... VT just got unlucky to have the game at home this season.

Also, I imagine that when that clause what put it, it was thinking of a one time event, like a lightening storm... Not something that could potentially ruin the entire college football season.

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In other Penn State game news Garbutt was a savage on Twitter last night.

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At least my sister in law's decision to schedule her wedding the same day as the Penn State game stings a little less.

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If they want to figure out a way to make this season happen, I hope they are actively trying to figure out how to push the season back to March/February. Next is conference games because this thing isn't getting better anytime soon. Not with over a month and a half left before September of people going to crowded beaches among other things.

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Curious how many seniors that get a draft grade in any round would just sit out a spring season if that is what happens. I know I would. For that matter any that might even have a shot to get drafted would have to declare and then sit out.

I still want there to be football for sure I just don't think that the spring option it really going to work.

The NFL would move the draft back as a possibility. Some of these seniors need game tape from senior year for a shot at the NFL. Would the NFL be accomodating? I don't know, but it'd be the right thing to do

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not to mention that it behooves nfl decision makers to have as much information as possible for the players they're drafting

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I heard something on the radio this morning that I think was the rationale behind going conference only -- flexibility.

By cancelling the non-con games, the Big Ten opens up dates in September for conference games. That's not so much for adding a few extra games, but also to give flexibility if the season gets interrupted. So if PSU/OSU can't get played on September 12, they can move the game into November.

I saw someone mention playing all of the division games first, and that seems like the best idea. Conference only, get all of the division games on the schedule first to get tiebreakers figured out, and then fill out with cross-divisional games, which are the first games to be sacrificed to COVID.

I hadnt thought of it before, but cupcake games this year without full attendance would actually cost P5 teams money considering the big dog pays the little dog quite a bit of money to play. That has to be part of the thought process in this as well.

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Check out the post on CanesCorner Instagram. Looks like the ACC is considering a 10 game season including Notre Dame. Scraps divisions for an overall league format I believe. Might have to break out the spreadsheet to figure out possible schedule combinations.

(Also it's not clear in the post whether they mean 5 home and homes with the same teams or 10 unique games)

ACC will announce the same at end of July. Unless they just cancel fall sports then.

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Conference only play is the best move, hopefully the higher powers that be make it happen.

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So how long until the ACC follows suit? I'm gonna wager that the $EC will be the last to fall and that the Big 12 will try and hold out as well.

Not knowing this shit is really fucking with my wedding plans.

ACC is more worried about having to alter the basketball season than the football one. They're letting everyone else figure it out for football, and Swoffy will just copy their homework before the bell.

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Maybe, he could be checked out, it's not his problem next year. He could just be working basketball because UNS/Duke and not carte about other sports.

Not knowing this shit is really fucking with my wedding plans.

The lady and I just canceled ours. It sucks. Best of luck bud.

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More than the coronavirus?

Tricky all around.

meh

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Big South pushes back fall sports to September 3rd. First FCS conference I've seen that hasn't outright cancelled when announcing*.

If (and that's a big if) college sports happen at all this fall, the Big South is in a decent position to pull it off. All small schools in rural areas everywhere accessible via Bus ride**.

http://bigsouthsports.com/news/2020/7/22/general-big-south-to-begin-fall...

*Conference member Hampton already cancelled fall sports

**Partial members participate in football from as far as Alabama.

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