March 2020 VT Recruiting Thread

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The dead period is over and Hokies broke it in style by hosting a bunch of California recruits in a "midnight madness" event. discussion of that event can continue in that thread, and let's use this one to discuss other recruiting news like scheduled OVs, offers, crystal balls, commitments and other relevant items.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Dude, y'all remember three weeks ago when a midnight recruiting event was both big recruiting news and possible?

Sigh

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Hahaha, I googled anagrams for "midnight event," to make a fun joke, and the first result was "invented might," which seems a little on the nose.

Huzzah!!! New month, new recruiting thread, shorter load times!

Time to load up some gifs!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Can't embed the tweet on my phone if someone wants to help out, but Jaylen Jones was offered. A 6'1" receiver from Richmond. Three star I believe.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Embed is easy from phone if you use browser, not sure about app tho.

5th P5 offer, bonus points for VPI&SU

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Plenty of bodies already at receiver, but I'm partial to offering VA guys if it helps us get other VA guys.

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Virginia Tech fanatic.

Class of 2021 is a long way from seeing the field in acc play. If the last few off-seasons have taught me anything, it's that perceived strength at a position group can change really quickly

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

TIL Top14=Georgia, Pedo State, 11 middle of the pack teams, and...coastal carolina? I'm always happy to land a quality WR, but I fear this guy's top 4 will be Pedo State, Georgia, VT, and Coastal Carolina and then he pulls an FSU bag out from under the table and we hear later that PSU and UGa weren't even commit-able offers.

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Wow the #5 player in South Carolina is all the way down at 502 nationally. Must be a big time down year for talent in SC.

"These people are losing their minds" - Mike Patrick

probably even more damning that composite #1 in SC is #368 nationally. no composite 4*s or 5*s

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Clemson needs to land this guy, otherwise they've clearly failed to focus recruiting in their home state and the entire staff should be fired. /s

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Diego Pounds - 3* OL out of Raleigh on campus this past weekend. I think VT put themselves in a great position.

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Diego Pounds is a great name for an offensive lineman

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Name checks out

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Has offers now from LSU and Oregon. The kid is legit and is now getting offers to match.

4* TX DB Latrell McCutchin recently told 247 that the four teams he is in constant contact with are Bama, Oklahoma, PSU, and VT (link)

4* TX WR and fellow Hokie target Latrell Neville had this to say:

Latrell McCutchin 247 profile (link)

Latrell Neville 247 profile (link)

I think for recruits who have been in multiple threads over multiple months, i'll just link rather than embed to help keep load times down. does anyone have strong opinions on this?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not going to get my hopes up at all on McCutchin, but thought we had a decent shot at Neville. Sounds like both are OU bound.

fwiw Neville has set his OV date for June with Dematrius and several other blue chip recruits. wouldn't count it out just yet

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

coach beau spouting facts

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Is it basketball season yet?

It's early but with all the focus on the 21 class thought we would've locked down a few more commits by now. Starting to prepare for more disappointment especially from the in state guys again.

You do realize the dead period just ended?

EXACTLY! Not a single commitment to show for it with like 2 days passing. Sad.

/s

I think we are picking up momentum with a lot of talented kids. We have a huge weekend being set up for the summer. I will choose to believe in the process, because we have no other choice right now. Also, I like the trajectory of the recruitment I have been seeing. The plucky band of recruiters we have seem to be taking a non traditional approach (for us) and I am excited to see if it pays off

I do. It was also dead for Carolina and Miami look at their class. All I said was we have been pointing to this class for 2 years and do have 1 game changing commitment. But the state is loaded and once again I don't feel good about getting any of the big names. Would love for somebody to give me a reason to feel differently but I don't see it.

ESD is like 10 months away, no need to be glum now

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

All of Miami's commits are Palm Beach county and below and UNCs commits are all Charlotte area plus Hood whose dad played at Carolina. I'm sure if Pulaski and Montgomery counties had a bunch of 4 stars VT would have more commits too.

There is no low hanging fruit from VT to pick from because of the coaching turnover. They're going to have to work harder to get theirs. Seems like they've made some changes to the philosophy for 2021. Let's see if they pan out before we burn down the outhouse.

Ehh...I understand that the dead period is just over, but this is another one of the many excuses that continually are bantered about here.

Charlotte and South Florida are known "high-value" recruiting areas...you could make an equally reasonable argument that UNC and Miami are simply recruiting well in areas they should be (and everyone else wants to be as well).

We have family connections too---Baron and Lambert both had family connections to us in the 2020 class---neither are Hokies.

As far as location, Blacksburg is not in a hotbed of Football talent, but ....
1) That has been true since 1872 and isn't going to change anytime soon
2) Here are other college towns that are not in hotbeds or major population centers --- Gainesville, College Station, State College, Eugene, Auburn.

Hell, even Tallahassee is relatively rural and certainly not anywhere near where the majority of the Football talent in FL is, yet they pull plenty of talent out of SouthFL (and the 757, FWIW). By comparion, the trip by car from Tallahassee to Broward or Dade is at least twice that from Blacksburg to Charlotte.

Its certainly not time to start judging a class that hasn't been put together yet, but its also not time to already start making excuses for other Programs having more success than us.

great -- our recruiting class is currently ranked one spot better than Bama's

which is to say

not much matters at this point because we're like 10 months away from ESD.

"other programs having more success" in the most fluid aspect of college football is basically meaningless at this point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He wasn't making an argument in general about recruiting geographies and general recruiting success based off that geography. He pointed to 2 schools in the ACC who have better recruiting classes at this point in time . I haven't paid attention to other schools, but I'd argue having a lot of new coaches across the board probably didn't help us getting recruits to sign earlier. Yeah, I get it, some people don't like excuses, regardless of validity.

I'd also argue that Miami would get one or two five-star recruits even if a three year old blind girl was coaching them, regardless of geography (beach anybody?)

It does seem a tad premature to say our class sucks. Don't a lot of the top kids like taking their official visits for the royalty treatment before they pick a school? And don't a decent number of recruits that commit early reopen their recruitment later, especially if they start doing really well their senior season? I'd love to have some commits now, sure, but certainly wouldn't expect it. I'm really interested to see how that big June visit turns out that has a lot of recruits coming. We may get a bunch of commits then.

Here are other college towns that are not in hotbeds or major population centers --- Gainesville, College Station, State College, Eugene, Auburn.

  • Auburn is an hour from Atlanta
  • Oregon and TAMU can use that Nike/Oil money to fly anywhere any time
  • Gainesville is located in one of the most talent rich states in the country.
  • PSU is the most apt comparison here (despite the difference in booster revenue/conference payout) and they have one of the best recruiters in the country

Not trying to make excuses, but none of these programs face a combination revenue/location challenge quite like VT.

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My point is not that certain programs don't have advantages over VT, it's that when we miss on a Recruit, it's become like the "wheel of excuses."

Pick one: money, status, booster base, facilities, location, academics, ect.

UNC and Miami are both well ahead of us in 2021 and rather than look at what we aren't doing, we just find an excuse why its "easier" for them. It's tired.

Put it this way, if there is a valued recruit in Ft
Lauderdale, UF fans aren't going to accept that "he was too far away" as an excuse if he signs with Miami.

The distance from Gainsville to SE Florida is at least 4.5 hours driving (assuming insanely perfect traffic)---within that radius to VT is Charlotte, DC-Metro, and 757....yet we are simply too remote to recruit effectively?

Pick one: money, status, booster base, facilities, location, academics, ect.

UNC and Miami are both well ahead of us in 2021 and rather than look at what we aren't doing, we just find an excuse why its "easier" for them. It's tired.

Do you think those are excuses or reasons? There is a difference.

They didn't use to be reasons... so I would say they are excuses

Recruit Prosim

College Football has changed. We used to have an advantage when it came to scouting and access. But the internet has changed that. We have not yet found a sustainable competitive advantage to replace that.

Twitter me

I would add that you also can't just "want it more" because it would likely end in penalty or ejection. We used to set the tone against soft teams. Can't anymore.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

There is some truth here

All of those schools you mention - with the exception of Oregon - are in hotbeds for recruiting. But Oregon has Nike, isn't that far from Portland, and is by far the biggest program in a state neighboring California (which has only 4 P5 programs despite it's population and weather)

Blacksburg is one of the most isolated P5 schools from a mid and/or major metropolitan area.

Since this post Silver and Maye to Carolina.

They're going to land Paysour today and supposedly Pryor this weekend too. Mack could sell ice to an eskimo. I think our class will be good but their's is looking lights out.

Clemson has not even OFFERED the number 1 recruit in South Carolina. I honestly don't know how Dabo even still has a job, much less that $10M salary.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

clemson is probably shooting higher than 3*s these days

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

that sarcasm didn't translate for me

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't know the likelihood of landing all 3 of these guys but I would like to tip my cap to the graphics person that made that photo.

Those three guys look like cousins.

DBU needs another Edmonds on the roster (I know it's not spelled the same, but close enough)

This is a guy that I want. Going to be tough to get him though.

Wow, huge difference between SC and NC in the 2021 class!

SC: 3 top 5 recruits, highest of which (#1 in the state) is a 3-star at #368 nationally
NC: 16th rated recruit is a 4-star at #271 nationally

I don't know if it's a down year for SC or an up year for NC, or if that's just the norm, but that's a huge talent disparity.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

The talent in SC has dropped precipitously the last 20 years. In the 90s, SC was better than NC and equal to VA

He spoke with Tech Lunch Pail about his visit (link)

Reading this, i'd be very surprised if we were targeting him as anything other than a running back. his 247 profile is also updated to be "RB" instead of "CB"

Edmonds was able to spend time with all of the coaching staff as well during his visit, but especially head coach Justin Fuente, RBs coach Adam Lechtenberg, and grad assistant Matt Kardulis.

In particular, Edmonds spent a lot of time with Adam Lechtenberg which went quite well with Lechtenberg impressing Edmonds.

"It was great. Real cool, straight up guy. He went with us on the campus tour pointing out things and then he showed us some film breakdown of how he likes to use his backs and what he expects," Edmonds said.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The face he's making in the picture alone will sack a QB.

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Cant link because it's behind a paywall but Treyveon Henderson is visiting VT. I know it's pretty widely assumed he's gonna land at Clemson but at least we're getting him to Blacksburg and getting a shot, however small

I don't think currently that it's widely assumed he ends up at Clemson, event he Clemson insider has a cloudy crystall ball. Fact is that he is coveted by every top program in the country and if we we want to land him we have to recruit him the hardest over these next couple of months and try to get him to visit a few more times. He has already stated he will take his officials to the farther away schools (already has officials to OU, Michigan, and Texas lined up). Has a stated decision date of this summer, which means we either need to get him up for the same week as DD and the crew or hope he pushes back his commitment and can get him to a game this fall.

Clemson is also the predicted current leader for Will Shipley. I don't think they can land both but who knows what magic dust Dabo spreads.

Have you watched will Shipley highlights ? That kid is Unbelievably good at football.

Ah yes, I too remember when FSU couldn't land Khalan Laborn only to turn around and not land Cam Akers two days later.

Program changing RB. 198 rushes for 2424 yards and 45 TDs last season. Over 12 yards per carry.

This would be a Kevin Jones type of get for this staff.

Is it basketball season yet?

Wow - I've almost forgotten what it was like to have a get like that. Hope we get the reminder!

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Treveyon PLS

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

On mobile so I can't embed the tweet(s) but if you check sons of Saturday's feed, looks like Henderson is on campus right now. People are hanging up bed sheets and signs welcoming him to Blacksburg

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Bed sheets good, tweets bad. Got it. /s

BED SHEET @ CROOTS

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Gonna have to talk to the boys about pushing the trash bags behind the porch wall so they aren't seen from the street, you know, how we used to do it.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Couple more FL-connected recruits from recent Junior Day

DE/TE Myles Winslow (Hudl link) is from Kissimmee

and Delfin Castillo also started off high school in Kissimmee before transferring to powerhouse St Frances Academy in MD. We offered him back in May

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Keeshawn Silver committed to UNC last night

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Wow...UNC's class is off to a very hot start.... sheesh

Crazy all those players are in NC too.

We really need 2021 class to deliver on the very promising trajectory we seem to be on. Don't want to fall too far behind the recent and incoming talent influx to UNC.

Wake me when that talent achieves something other than one 10+ year winning season every couple of decades or so.

One ten win season per decade? Sounds kinda like VT unfortunately.

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Wrong, in the last 20 years, VT has 11 10 win seasons, Carolina has 1.

This is the trajectory and philosophy we needed to kickstart in 2016

Recruit Prosim

I agree completely, but better late than never I guess. We are locked in with what we got for the immediate future at least.

100% agree. I believe it will pay dividends as long as this staff can win the games we need to this year

Recruit Prosim

They must have a nicer Twitter fanbase.

He didn't say to respect his decision.

...I will be continuing my education, an athletic career, at...

Fixed the punctuation for him. Now that reads more accurately.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

This kid loves getting recruited too much for him not to decommit at least two or three more times.

Andrew Canelas, OL recruit out of Raleigh Leesville Road HS visited this past weekend

That dude is 6'8".

OL recruiting feels good. I'm not worried about finding the 2-4 good players we need this cycle.

Wish our DL, RB and LB recruiting felt as good.

That dude is 6'8".

He's no Bucky Hod......oh, wait, he's taller!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Nah, Bucky was 6'6'

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Thats a big dude

Open your eyes Nicholas

Class of 21 means he is probably 17. 6' 8" and 300lbs at 17. Sheesh.

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Sam Foggin!

"Hey Bud, you wont have to hold the opponent to 17 points anymore."

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Tagged the wrong Justin Hamilton ๐Ÿ˜…

Justin Hamilton
@justinhamilton_
Comedian and writer. Host of his new podcast "Big Squid". Loves disco music without irony. Is only boring once you get to know him.

Are you trying to say that our Justin Hamilton doesn't love disco music?!?!?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

175 pounds ?? Am I reading that right? He looks much g=bigger than that.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

The dressed out picture above is not A. Allen, thats 5-11, 195lb Khalil Herbert

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

6th P5 offer

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

At least he didn't go to UT. He'll be a valuable body on the scout team and hopefully see some snaps later on in his career.

Made the "top-eight" for DJ Harvey, but there are only five schools he listed in the article (no order): VT, USC, Oregon, LSU, Arizona St

We offered him in Feb, and he was on campus for the midnight madness event

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I just want to say, I hope we never suit up for a game wearing maroon jerseys and orange pants.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I like the orange and maroon look. either combination of jersey and pants looks better in those colors than white and orange.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Had to do a double take when I saw Bristol, TN. I can't recall any highly rated recruits from Bristol in the last 15 years.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I went to high school there. Last football player we had from there was in my graduating class (03) and he took a PWO over scholarship offers to ETSU and Mississippi state, and probably others. He lost the long snapper battle his freshman year because Frank Beamer said he and the other guy were basically tied in everything and Frank picked the other guy. He got some burn at linebacker (his high school and VT scout team position) his senior year in garbage time. But you know what, he graduated and his name is on the wall inside the tunnel. He basically got the raw end of every deal for 4 years on the VT football but stuck it out and graduated.

Thank God he didn't take the ETSU offer because they killed their football team a year or two later. It just came back 3(?) years ago. Ironically enough, my old THS band director is now the new ETSU marching band director, after doing a long stint at football powerhouse Rome, Georgia.

As for non-VT football players out of Tennessee High, they had Mack Crowder, OLine, 3 stars, go to Tennessee and have a decent career. Started a lot of games at center. But then he got busted in a sting trying to solicit an underage girl. Like, wtf man? Way to throw it all away.

TN High had the best high school unis back in the late 70's. Minnesota Viking knockoffs in maroon, as I recall.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

Yeah. They were like that for a long time. In 99 they did away with the horns and made everything look like a maroon version of Tennessee. They eventually brought the horns back and now they have their own unique look with emphasis on the Tri-Star logo from the state flag of Tennessee.

Born and raised in Bristol. I moved right before high school but, I went to Tennessee often when I lived there. My dad played for the Vikings in the 70's. They were a mean crew back then apparently and had killer uniforms. A buddy of mine coaches wrestling there now if I remember correctly.

why is that a GIF?

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Looks like TreVeyon enjoyed his visit! *****

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FFS, can someone please teach Fuente and Lechty how to do the VT sign?

Someone else took notice, hope he's doing some 'croot 'crootin'

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I love that picture of him and Fuente walking down the hallway, seems to give off a father-son vibe

VT '17

Elijah Fuentes

How have we not offered this guy yet? Can't ever get enough Fuentes

Wyatt Milum to WVU. That one stings.

2022 is the year!

It's like watching a lousy movie you've seen over and over, knowing how it's going to end, but you still suffer through it anyway and waste your time in the process.

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I thought new coaches needed 5+ years to get in-state recruits at that level?

Chuck Cantor took the notes on what Milum likes with him. It's all his fault.

Cantor is just recently at FSU now

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

State loyalty is only good when it works to our advantage!

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

State loyalty is good period. the only reason it is shunned on here is because we don't recruit well in ANY state, especially Virginia. If our recruiting were better than mediocre anywhere, we would sign more Va. kids too. We are a 7-5 type program now, and it's not because of the tooth fairy or conspiracies or Mook leaving.

It goes much further back than Mook. We haven't had state loyalty since Percy Harvin left to go to Florida. But it's not just a VT thing because UVA didn't pick up where we left off. FSU, PSU, and Bama came in. To a lesser extent Clemson.

It's been a long time and I don't think anyone can get that back. Locking down the proverbial backyard doesn't exist.

Not a surprise. Spring Valley kids either go to Marshall or WVU. People around the state weren't too fond of Nester first committing to Ohio State and then flipping to VT.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Waiting for this class to get rolling while WVU and UNC land blue chip players

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WVU has 1 4* for 2021. We've been through a similar song and dance with duh U for the past 3 or 4 years and they've done jack. Wake me up when UNC actually does something with this class of "commits".

Sure, but it was a four star that Tech led for. There are not a lot of excuses left for underachieving in 2021. This coaching staff was supposedly put together for recruiting, and that is something that should pay dividends immediately.

It is barely March and folks are complaining on the class... SO much can change before December

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Been pointing to this class for 2 years and if we sign everybody we can reasonably expect to get still won't be as good as what Carolina already has.

And? This isn't the first time UNC has recruited a top 20 class. It's also no guarantee Mack will do anything with it. He underperformed mightily at Texas a place with better classes and facilities let's maybe not jump off the nearest bridge just yet.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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As many have pointed out, it's not necessarily a concern that they will suddenly become a powerhouse, but the collective effect of UNC, Clemson, PSU, etc taking blue chippers that VT is also after.

Mack has put together a decent staff and is building a team with talented depth. He's also recruiting blue chippers at a much higher clip than we are. We can't keep underestimating that. They are going to be a huge problem for us going forward.

So has every other UNC coach. The sooner people realize this the better. UNC will always get recruits. And then they will play in front of empty seats.

VTs peak of 10 win seasons was done when UNC was recruiting well. There's no reason to think that won't happen again.

It was also done when VT was recruiting well

Recruit Prosim

When VT was recruiting well? How do you define well? We've maybe cracked the top 20 once in our entire history. Low mid 20s is our usual "up" years and excluding last year that's where Fuente has been.

Well= Better than 70th

Thank you. I needed that dose of reality. I was almost becoming blinded by optimism. I'm much happier now.

I disagree. Mack has a national championship under his belt and has consistently put together quality teams for 20 years. We were lucky to win against them last year, and we'll be lucky to beat UNC when they have a (currently) top 5 recruiting class playing for them. Wins against UNC are enjoyable but not guaranteed, and we can't just take them for granted for no good reason.

We needed a miracle to beat UNC this past year in Mack's first year and with a TF QB- that is better than any of ours on our roster. Mack didn't need 6 years to build relationships back with NC high school coaches apparently.

you mean that time Mack Brown lost to our backup quarterback coming off the bench?

Gobble Till You Wobble

I watched the game. Apparently you did not? to clue you in, Ryan Willis's 3 passes were not the story line.

I was referring to the part where Quincy came in and played the whole 4th quarter and 6 OTs. I must have been watching the other 6 OT game on that day...

Gobble Till You Wobble

No, you see, the problem is this class is too large. It makes it too difficult to recruit elite kids because there's too many targets. Or something.

On to 2022? Or are we overanalyzing. Let's see what a solid year of football and a new vibe in Blacksburg will bring us. Give fuente this year to see if he can coach a team. It is his, and he must own it.
Personally, I want to see our team play tough, and grab an identity , and maybe we can recruit some new blood and talent to tech.

Okay holdup, I get being disappointed by Milum. But a sub-.85 rated WR? Half the people in this thread complaining about the class would probably be upset if we took his commitment at this point

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

alf the people in this thread complaining about the class would probably be upset if we took his commitment at this point

Schrodinger's commitment?

Compare to Kobe Paysour who everyone is nutting themselves over because he committed to UNC

At the 2019 Nike Opening:

Gray:

5'10 174 pounds
4.49 laser 40
36.80 vertical jump
4.55 shuttle

Paysour:

6'0 170 pounds
4.75 laser 40
29.30 vertical jump
4.51 shuttle

But hey, Paysour has a higher star rating so he's better, sure. Film and numbers don't lie. Gray is the better athlete. Maybe he doesn't have the UNC hype bump that Paysour has.

Keep thinking UNC is the problem when State takes Diego Pounds and Andrew Canales too.

I refuse to defend star ratings, but acting like those measurable are going to automatically translate to football is ludicrous. That doesn't mean you are not right, but there are a lot of really fast athletes that can jump high but cant play football.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

You're the only one drawing some weird line between an NSCT commit and the UNC signing class, not me. If you think he's an underrated diamond in the rough, great ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You guys are right, I'll quit arguing. UNC is an unstoppable force. They're Clemson of the Coastal now.

dcwilson-esque straw man argument, right there

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

No it's not, it's the majority opinion on this board. My opinion is different. UNC has always gotten talent, regardless of who is coach. Mack Brown will be 69 years old before they play a game next year. People act like this is some sort of unstoppable force. UNC has had 1 10+ win season in the last 20 years, and that was with Butch Davis classes that were better then what UNC is doing so far this year. I guess I feel like they need to show me something more than that before I start clutching my pearls over recruiting. I just don't think it's sustainable.

All of their recruits are low hanging fruit with the exception of the Tenn OL. That one they worked for. Drake Maye was always going to go to UNC. His dad played QB there and his brother just finished an all ACC basketball career.

Silver - big UNC basketball fan. UNC always gets those type of guys.

Charlotte recruits - They are seeing the benefit of having Bly on staff, but the kids that have a relationship with Bly are coming to a close, and he's going to have to work harder to recruit after this year.

I actually appreciate your perspective coming from your NC connections. I agree that I will wait to see the on-field product before I really worry about UNC. I am not too concerned with missing on guys like gray if we can land a better player in Huggins-Bruce. We most importantly just need to win on the field but definitely not losing priority recruits to UNC or State is important to long term success in the ACC.

UNC lands ELI Sutton, 4-star OT from Tennessee

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

UNC currently has the #4 ranked class in 2021

Remember how we said the Coastal was ripe for a school to step up and dominate it? It's happening in Chapel Hill

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Woah woah woah.... For the class of 2021? Dude, its March 2020. Most schools have five or less commits so far, and the ones that do make up the top 10. We've still got so much more shuffling left, I'm not saying they won't step up and dominate the Coastal, but it is WAAAAY too early to be saying that. Before its all said and done, I think VT, Miami, and UNC all end up in the same general area in terms of recruiting this year.

Besides, historically, Miami has dominated the Coastal in recruiting but fallen flat in terms of results.

UNC currently has 8 4* commits for 2021 according to 247, tied with Clemson

According to 247 the last time VT had that many in a class was.... uhhh.... never

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Not to be argumentative just for arguments sake, but depends on the rankings you use, we had anywhere from 7 to 9 four-stars in the 2018 class.

But my major point is that just because one of UNC's classes looks good 11 months before NSD doesn't mean they'll "step up and dominate the Coastal." For all we know , we could go 12-1 next year, gain some major momentum and blow their class out of the water, and they could have several decommits. Or maybe it happens the other way around. My point is, no reasonable conclusions can be made just yet.

The only problem with this is there isn't a sliver of evidence to support the "could happen" The facts are UNC has 8 4 star recruits, and we are trending down. Do I hope we go 12-1? OOOOOOO HELL YEAH. Is that scenario likely? eh.

Vegas odds would not be in our favor.

In what world are we trending down, especially compared to UNC? We've beaten them 4 years in a row, this past year with our backup QB and a super-vanilla offense in the 2nd half.

What's UNC's sliver of evidence? That they have 8 four stars 11 months before signing day? Let's wait and see if they can hang on to those guys and then develop them first. Heck, Miami has recruited at a high level for years but still only wins 7 games a year.

UNC's sliver of evidence is they won 7 games with a true freshman QB, lost 6 games by one score, brought in a top-20 class for 2020 and are currently landing a bunch of commits. There's an upward arrow. Meanwhile VT didn't recruit well in 2020, the head coach may be looking for an escape hatch, and the recruiting strategy for 2021 is "hope kids in Texas don't Google the head coach".

Ok I agree with the first part, but "hope kids in TX don't google the head coach?" What does that even mean? The number one QB from TX is committed to Virginia Tech, and is actively recruiting for Fuente and the program we're assembling here. We're getting interest and commits from highly recruited TX kids left and right. Why exactly do we not want people googling Fuente?

According to 247 Sports (who I've been told we use here, probably because they've been friendlier to VT than Rivals), the top QB in TX is Preston Stone, committed to SMU. Davis is the #3 QB. Also, if we're using the "it's only March, commits to UNC don't count so far away from signing day" logic, that applies to Davis.

"Why exactly do we not want people googling Fuente?"

https://www.si.com/college/2019/08/15/virginia-tech-transfers-unity-just...

VT used to get kids out of VA and NC. They didn't last year. I don't think they'd choose to write off talented players close to home.

I remember when people asked how in the world was Clemson trending up when VT was still winning 10 a year and they hadn't even won a division title.

wins and losses are only 2 metric points in an array of data.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I agree completely, but where's the array of data saying UNC is outperforming our program right now? And without referencing the 2021 class, hardly anyone's even got 4 or 5 guys committed yet.

Based on the current trends this is the likely outcome. We can't predict the damn future but I can promise you anyone on the outside looking in would bet on UNC to have success in the coastal and VT continuing to struggle.

If you ask for data, and then request counterpoint data be excluded is point blank forcing information to fit a narrative. If you want to ignore evidence contrary to your opinion, that's fine. But stop asking for it if you are going to dismiss it. It wastes everyone's time.

You should be a UNC fan, you hype them up more than Don Callahan.

Jesus fucking Christ

Can't say anything even remotely critical of the team anymore without getting fucking raked over the coals.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

amen, great post. Many on here are so defensive that 70th ranked recruiting classes, Rhode Islands WRs racking up big yards, and possible losses to Liberty are real topics that Fu is immune to criticism on... It's surreal.

Possible losses to Liberty

Gobble Till You Wobble

Just move forward with any discussion with the presumption that we beat Penn State. It would be an equally valid talking point.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

There's a big difference between the occasional, remotely critical thing and literally seeing a monster around every f'in corner.

I mean it is a site designed for Tech football fans, I'm struggling to see why you're surprised people don't like hearing about how awesome UNC is doing in recruiting only a month into this recruiting cycle. Especially considering they've literally always done well in recruiting and it has only translated into 2 above average seasons in the last 30 years. Does it hurt Tech? Yes. Can we at least wait to see if Fuente delivers on this program changing 2021 class he's predicted before we rack him over the coals? Yes.

Also, you have the most legs on here by 30,000. Don't act like you're getting the DCwilson treatment when a couple people disagree.

Gobble Till You Wobble

My frustration has nothing to do with turkey legs.

I am annoyed that any and all critical thinking on this site is basically being shouted down because people would rather bury their fucking heads in the sand and pretend that everything is still sunshine and roses with this program like it was from 1999-2010, but that just isn't the case anymore, and hasn't been for a long time. We've had some downright frustrating years, the program has had some very public embarrassments in the national eye in recent times and people are frustrated. And instead of accepting that and have a place where its ok to have those conversations and to have a mindset where "its ok to be frustrated, we get it, hopefully it gets better soon" we've had a very vocal and growingly belligerent segment that is full bore "either you're 100% with us or fuck you, go cheer for our competitors you fake fan" and quite frankly, I'm sick and damn tired of reading it.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

and i think the people who say "it's ok to be frustrated, we get it, hopefully its gets better soon" get ran over by people that think the sky is falling. Being critical is good and needed. Having each recruiting thread get turned into talking about how we aren't Mack Brown and UNC also gets old.

Also apologies to each person logging in to see 50 new comments on the March recruiting thread hoping to read good news and just having to read the same comments they're been reading on each thread for the past 1 and half years.

Edit: The comment about turkey legs was meant to imply that obviously people agree with you and your frustrations. In this thread for example, your posts have 10+ legs each so you aren't being racked over the coals. People who agree with you don't generally comment, but opposing viewpoints will.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Screw UNC. That is all I have to say about it. I will honestly take Fuente and his staff right now over Mack....it isn't sustainable. If Fuente proves me wrong, I will take the next guy over Mack.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

I think we can all agree on this

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#15 Straight

Here is one big reason why I do not trust 24/7 player rankings when it comes to UNC:

either you're 100% with us or fuck you, go cheer for our competitors you fake fan

And some of us are sick and damned tired of reading the same old BULLSHIT being thrown out there every freaking thread. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings (no, not really) but this is the recruiting thread. This is a place for most of us to get information on the guys OUR TEAM is recruiting. Not to constantly read a bunch of bitching and moaning about UNf'nC getting more 4* than we do and how we suck and Mack Brown's the greatest and blah, blah, blah, blah, freaking blah.

Start another thread if you want to whine, espouse an opinion about Mack Brown, or have dumbass mascot gifs. Seriously, this thread is already hard enough to load when it gets large due to the number of embeds. All this extra bitching by the same people, and any casual observer of this site knows who they are, just jams it up even more.

For those folks that have had to reload because of my comments, I apologize.

Fuente is going into his 5th season as head coach. Wait and see mode is over.

Do you really think that is getting raked over the coals, you heathen ass bastard? I was offering you an alternative place to go since you seemed like you needed it.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings and will try to be more supportive of you when you get back from your safe space. /s

Very aggressive. Moe's runs a special on Monday's and that always makes me feel better. Although I prefer Chipoltle, I do love a good deal.

Many people said the same thing in 2019 about our 2020 class.

I was one. This class feels much different but I will wait until December to commit one way or the other this time.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

There's an apparently glowing article about UNC in The Athletic today. The media loves Mack because he's a good quote and is pleasant to them. Huh.

Mack has done what Beamer failed to do nearing the end of his tenure. He has surrounded himself with a young staff full of aggressive and successful recruiters. He's a perfect "face" for the program with an "aw shucks," appeal to the media and recruit's families.

Those who continue to imply that the UNC Recruiting success is just window dressing conveniently forget that Mack&Co. took a program that looked completely lost after successive 3-9 and 2-9 seasons and made them look markedly competent in one season. Certainly there is some Coaching and X/O talent involved in that.

How long this is sustainable at UNC is certainly up for debate, but to imply that this is nothing to worry about because Mack is too old to coach and UNC is just falling backwards into 4-star Recruits is simply silly IMHO.

There's a lot of truth in this. Mack has done a good job assembling a staff at UNC, Longo and Bateman are excellent coordinators. We are also ignoring the fact that Mack has recruited like gangbusters everywhere he has gone, and this is an unreal year for talent in Carolina. They might push for a top 10 class this year but I have a hard time believing that level of recruiting success is sustainable there.

I also think it's fair to question why after our NC2VT pitch a few years ago, and our success relative to UNC, we don't have better in roads with some of these kids. And why our big recruiting pitch is targeting a state half the country away when the Mid Atlantic is pretty loaded this year. I'm not saying it won't work but it does make me slightly wonder if we have a cohesive long term vision or if just throw shit at a wall every season and see where we get traction.

Just checking here...are we talking about the same silver-tongued Mack Brown who couldn't get player's names correct and everybody couldn't stand to listen to just a year and a half ago?

Kill this thread with fire.

Vroom Vroom

King pls

See 44 new comments when I log in and think we might've landed someone...nope just more of the same. Maybe I'll check in every couple of days and hope for something substantial to happen.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I think this gif belongs in the Covid-19 thread.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

Welcome to my life. /sigh

So what's your 2020 Season Challenge going to be?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Alec Bryant's teammate, 30 P5 offers with a big boy list

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

#GoPokes? #facepalm

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Let's give Terrence Cooks some love - he got our name right!

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

Alec Bryant's teammate, 16 P5 offers

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Thank you so much for continuing to provide updates re: actual VT recruits and potential Hokies!

I wish others would take their constant thread-derailing bitching tendencies to the thread specifically made for just that reason.

yeah, i'm just trying to stay above the fray and keep this thread mostly to news and updates as opposed to "discourse about my feelings of the recruiting class" and then eventually "feelings about the discourse surrounding how we feel about the recruiting class"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Damn that HS team is stacked!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Let's give Trent McGaughey some love - he also got our name right!

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

This thread is the exact reason I don't use TKP nearly as much as I used to. This fanbase has become unbearable anymore.

100%!

It's a shame, too. It's the smallest factions that have the loudest voices- and those seem to be overshadowing anything good about VT.

@CraigThompsonVT

1. I think that's across the board. In other words, it's not a TKP issue.
2. Specific to TKP, how did this help the discourse here?

2. I think the recruiting thread has become the outlet for complaining in the offseason. Could we potentially keep a recruiting thread every month for opinions and then an actual recruiting thread? It got so bad a few months ago that this happened and I loved it. I think continuing two threads and moderating the recruiting thread could be very helpful to those of interested in recruiting, but uninterested in reading through 15 and 40 complaints every time we come on the thread. With that said I love TKP and I will continue to use it either way because it has the best content and most of the time a really good and fun community.

โ€œThese people are losing their minds. This is beautiful.โ€

I actually really liked the "meh threads", "vent threads", and "sad threads" after games during the season. If i was in the mood to vent with everybody else who was pissed off about how things were going, i knew where to go. If i was looking for good vibes only, i also knew where not to go.

Gobble Till You Wobble

You have a great answer for Joe's 2nd question:

and i think the people who say "it's ok to be frustrated, we get it, hopefully its gets better soon" get ran over by people that think the sky is falling.

Obviously this place is much more fun when Virginia Tech athletics โ€” football in particular โ€” does well. I don't want TKP to be a haven where folks complain non-stop, but really it's fair to ask critical questions and leverage fair criticisms. Those shouldn't be met with contempt, nor should the takes which believe Virginia Tech is on a great path forward. I've said this before, but folks are really dug in on both sides and it feels more like political discourse than sports banter. Which sucks.

And sorry brockman_148, this really isn't a response to you, I simply saw "Joe" and chimed in here.

I absolutely don't mind the complaining and vents thread during the season. I just need a break during the offseason! So to your point, a recruiting vent thread would be amazing.

โ€œThese people are losing their minds. This is beautiful.โ€

Yes, solid suggestion, as long as it's a constructive discussion I am happy for you, VTBeamer, or anyone else to action on that. ๐Ÿป

And it goes without saying, but I appreciate your continued support of TKP.

I try to offer a differing opinion to some who are on here. Generally, I've tried to just provide recruiting information the I find out from sources here in NC.

I'll curtail the off topic discussions going forward, as I think I've probably hammered my opinion enough here on other programs. I just don't think every commit / non commit is a doom and gloom situation for VT. I tend to have a more positive outlook on things in general, and I'm willing to give recruiting a benefit of a doubt, i.e. I see changes being made by VT, and I also think it's prudent to not judge recruiting classes until they actually graduate. I like wins in the fall rather than wins in the spring and summer.

I apologize for getting a bit off topic.

I feel like your second question could pertain to about 60% of the posts on TKP, a lot of people post "noise" as I believe you called it in the past.

I don't know what about this particular post made you ask this question, but feel like if you did this to similar posts you would very busy indeed.

How does this help TKP? I never understand what people mean when they post stuff like this. What response do you want from it?

I don't think TKP is any different from when I started 5 years ago. I enjoy using it and will continue to do so.

What has changed is the success on the field and I think you may be getting the 2 confused.

Personally it helps remind me that not everyone on here is buying the overreaction chicken little BS that consumes the vast majority of threads these days.

Now someone explain how reporting every UNC commit and fawning over Mack Brown helps TKP.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

There are both bull and bear data points for Virginia Tech football. In the middle there's potential for a constructive discussion. Both sides have extreme points of view. It would be awesome for everyone to have more civil conversations.

I don't get fawning over Mack Brown, but I think it's relevant to Virginia Tech โ€” divisional foes, same recruiting area โ€” to discuss what happening at North Carolina.

I'm sure the majority of users would agree that more civil discussion, including fair and constructive criticism, would be wonderful. However, I think I fundamentally disagree with you on what qualifies as fair and constructive criticism based on your responses and interactions with the community over the last couple years- and I don't mean that as an attack because ultimately TKP is your site and you're entitled to handle things as you see fit. I'm simply saying that from my perspective, repetitious and/or unsupported negativity toward the program is freely permitted while reactions to those posts are often condemned (as VTBeamer's post here). I'd go as far to say even moderate, statistically supported pushback against negativity from the community often results in the offenders playing the victim card and claiming that "free thought isn't allowed around here."

So while I understand the desire to abide by the principles of self moderation and facilitate open discourse, the most vocally negative individuals have effectively dictated what qualifies as moderate opinion, as well as the threshold for civil discourse. It doesn't seem like big deal in isolation but over time the tone of TKP has skewed toward negativity that dominates nearly every thread while the moderate opinions have become almost completely drowned out.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm simply saying that from my perspective, repetitious and/or unsupported negativity toward the program is freely permitted while reactions to those posts are often condemned (as VTBeamer's post here).

I responded to VTBeamer's post because I normally respond to similar types of statements. Overall I don't agree with your assessment. I have moderated folks who have gone off the deep end (and to the detriment of the business-end of the site itself).

I'd go as far to say even moderate, statistically supported pushback against negativity from the community often results in the offenders playing the victim card and claiming that "free thought isn't allowed around here."

I don't know about that either. That seems like too strong of a generalization. I personally loved the jet sweep breakdown, which was extremely thoughtful, and it was embraced by the community.

It doesn't seem like big deal in isolation but over time the tone of TKP has skewed toward negativity that dominates nearly every thread while the moderate opinions have become almost completely drowned out.

And from my viewpoint that is more of a function of the polarization of the fanbase. There are few fans evaluating things as they play out โ€” noting both positive and negative. Too many people have embraced their narrative and are stuck to it. It reminds me of political discourse, which again, sucks.

I appreciate the response but your points align with what I have come to understand as your perspective on the situation and the long-term direction for TKP. I still fundamentally disagree with it and believe a different approach might reduce the polarization within TKP community (I'd say we can all agree there's no hope for VT twitter). That said, I do recognize that TKP is a business and I have no idea if certain actions would be good or bad for business, so it is what is.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

What's the approach you would take?

I would discourage/rebuke the 1 or 2 liner comments that specifically incite emotional responses and are repeated across multiple threads. The current approach reminds me of the old adage with personal fouls in football, where the 2nd person responding to an inciting action seems far more likely to be the one getting penalized. In my opinion, VTBeamer's comment was a reaction to a catalyst- in this case a slew of unnecessary, minimally substantive posts intended to derail constructive conversation and mostly vent about VT in a negative manner. VTBeamer's comment might not help the discourse on TKP, but it's a symptom rather than the root cause. Essentially I believe if those types of repetitive, inciting posts were curbed or had to meet a higher threshold of quality in the first place, then we would be far less likely to have comments like VTBeamer's.

I think ideally a community moderator would be able to pick up on potentially inciting posts quickly enough to steer the conversation in a more constructive direction so that a civil discussion, whether positive or negative, is able to continue without anyone feeling like their voice is being unfairly silenced. I realize that requires a high level of moderation though, which is likely not possible for you or VTGuitarMan with your current commitments (along those lines, I think it was extremely detrimental to TKP when VTGuitarMan had to step back and become less involved).

Admittedly I've never run a large community forum and I'm sure everyone won't be happy regardless of the approach, but I think something is needed to blunt the emotional comments that derail threads, allow some space for people to better understand each other's perspectives, and ultimately help foster the "sitting at a bar talking sports" approach that you want to create.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

As someone that does not post a lot, I agree with you 800%. I use to enjoy coming to this site to learn things about VT sports. It is not enjoyable any more. I love VT football and I am an optimist. That is not a very popular opinion any more.

I'm simply saying that from my perspective, repetitious and/or unsupported negativity toward the program is freely permitted

So while I understand the desire to abide by the principles of self moderation and facilitate open discourse, the most vocally negative individuals have effectively dictated what qualifies as moderate opinion, as well as the threshold for civil discourse

that's an interesting to me, seeing how some very critical voices here have gotten banned for not chilling tf out when Joe asked us to do so post-Baylor Boondoggle. outoftowner being the most obvious example that comes to my mind.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Vroom Vroom

TKP tip: Any significant news (commitment, decommitment) will have its own thread. The recruiting threads are for talking about recruiting, and complaining about losing out to other teams, or other teams rising at our expense is relevant to that. Do you really just want a wall of tweets showing offers (which, by the way I enjoy)?

Don't assume that 50 new comments means a commitment.

Do you really just want a wall of tweets showing offers

I think there are enough people who hate having the news mixed in with the bickering that a discourse thread is justified. Therefore I started one.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Do you really just want a wall of tweets showing offers

That sounds an awful lot like Twitter following Beau Davidson.

At this point, the real problem is EXPECTING a recruiting thread to stay on topic. By its nature, it is a catch all.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

five P5 offers, doesn't appear that we've offered him yet from what i can tell

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So we have tossed a lot of lines, time to start reeling in some big fish. Need another Top250 player to get some momentum. I would like to nominate Tre Henderson so that we can go from Big Play Tre to All Day Tre or we let our current Tre be Turner the Burner and the next Tre be Big Play Tre?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

His brother Melvin was also on campus. currently graded 4* by 247 in class of 22

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Not recruiting news but just as good a place as any to put this

Looks to be about 60-ish yards in the air. The line in front of him is the 5, so his back foot is near the goal line, and it looks like the receiver catches it just past the other 40. Nice throw!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Waiting on new attrition news once spring ball is starts/ends. Not sources, just typically happens around this time.

What's our depth like? What do we really need to get position wise in '21? We got ourselves a QB, and need some DBs, me thinks. Definitely could use a RB, but I do want to see a nice LB pickup this recruiting class.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

We have 4 graduating seniors on the DL, 3 from the interior. 3 graduating seniors at RB + Wheatley who may take the opportunity to go elsewhere as a rising r-Sr. We're going to be down to 4 linebackers following the season. Always want to take a few big uglies on the O-line. Might could stand a DB or two more.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

What the he'll are we going to talk about if we don't speculate and complain? Fuente and staff only tell us when someone is suspended or transferring. We get literally no other information from our football team. Half the time I don't know if guys are on the team or in the dog house, or injured for the year. If we were to get some information, and some positive news, we may not walk around like the sky is falling on us. He'll, dcwilson may even have some positive takes. Just kidding, DC, I always enjoy your views. It would really be nice to know more about some of the fine young men that play so hard for our school. We may be able to create some real interest in coming to our school. Mack brown sure the he'll can create interest, and he can make it happen quickly.

Let's be honest, if we had a recruiting class of all 5*s he would complain that they aren't 6*s. Only kind of /s

Nah. He has some questionable takes, and he often presents good takes in a bad way, but I don't think he'd complain about a class of 5*s.

Now, he probably would complain about coaching if we had that class and didn't win the whole damn thing. But he'd be right to do so.

you read that right, class of 2023. already five P5 offers.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

6'5" 240 current freshman in high school... I imagine he will be an OT prospect by the time he is a senior

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

@mega_barnwell

TE 6-5 238

twitter handle checks out. Are we offering him as a QB?

Warning: this post occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors)..

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Probably just a "top" list of some size, but I'd imagine VT is in a good spot since he won't be taking visits elsewhere and he recently had a very good trip to VT from what I understand.

REALLY good spot

Go for it

Go on...

I'm being cautiously optimistic, but he is very intrigued to possibly play with Double D, per recent Twitter activity.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

That would be a killer Duo๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ‘€

Open your eyes Nicholas

I mean, who doesn't like playing with DDs?

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

that's exactly what it is, i embedded the less comprehensive tweet by accident

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

So recruiting "experts" how big an impact is there that some conferences have banned any sports related activities like recruiting , visits official and unofficial and school for many is over on campus. Compared to someplace that doesn't have these restrictions in place.

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Not an expert, but The SEC already suspended recruiting activities even before the ACC did. Ohio State was before even the SEC, so I think there is reason to think that if the usual suspects and major recruiting threats are all suspending operations that you will see just about everyone suspend them eventually. They may get an extra weekend or two in, but I doubt you will see some schools just throwing caution to the wind without some sort of conference or NCAA intervention.

Fewer weekends available in the interim for visits puts a premium on getting croots on campus as well -- no spring games, etc etc. should be a pretty good indicator of where things stand both ways if croots/schools successfully re-plan around it and get players on campus who may have been scheduled to be around in the spring.

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I'm over here trying to wrangle this into a joke about Philip Sims taking online classes from Virginia Beach, but it's not coming together. Save me, James Gayle!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Wonder how hard teams that violate this would get nailed.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Probably depends on the team

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

And who would get nailed.

If Georgia violated it, they'd jump down with both feet on Valdosta State.

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But why you can't at least keep in contact with them?

Contacts is very vague. Face to face contacts are not permitted during dead periods, but you can still communicate via twitter and other online measures during dead periods. Unless this is a particularly unique dead period (and I don't know why it'd be different), then they will still be able to communicate with recruits, just not in person.

That makes sense - i took the term contacts probably to loosely and ASSumed to much.

I think it was a totally fair question. Contacts is an extremely vague word choice.

If there was any doubt as to whether or not Landyn Watson was a top target for us. (LINK to 247 profile)

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I feel like we haven't heard much about Brandon Campbell lately. He still has some CB's for us. If we seem to be in a good spot with T. Hendy, is that having an impact or has something else changed?

Funny, 247 just said the same thing before his post.

247 aren't the only people with real connections, and historically BAG's info did not overlap with 247 on multiple occasions. Same with LA.

I miss BAG and LA, and thought both brought an awful lot to TKP. They both have admitted that their predictions didn't always come true (hell, people paid to make these predictions are often wrong), but they did bring an insight that few of us had.

For real. I share the sentiment. We had two people with genuine insider knowledge, who enthusiastically tried to share as much as they comfortably could with us, and we ran them out of town. Some people couldn't accept that some of the things they were hearing about 18 year old kids didn't magically come true every time. Disappointing loss for me.

They were a greater loss than any combination of recruits that went elsewhere.

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fwiw, LA still has an account, just hasn't been active.

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LA pls

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Just seeing all these. No one "ran me out of town". I moved from the NRV to NOVA about 9 months or so ago now, so I don't see my contacts down there as much. Our kids went to the same daycare and we became friends, but now we just text back and forth every once in a while. I unfortunately just don't have much to share anymore

Happy to have you around regardless. You still provide quality info and bring good perspective.

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Cheers

Ditto

I would be fascinated to hear the full inside story of what went down here. Seemed like we were in a really solid spot not too long ago.

confirmed, Hokies miss top 6.

Anybody know if we cooled on him or what happened? I could easily understand not landing him, but just so recently it seemed like we were high on his list then just...nothing? Bummer that we're out so early, but best of luck to him.

I believe rumors were the staff botched (at least in his eyes) his visit last fall and things had cooled off since then.

That's very different from what we heard at the time. Sounded/felt like he was ready to commit around that time and then he maybe had some parents or counsel suggesting he give it some time

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Brunson got more attention from Zohn than him on the winter(?) visit and it didn't sit well with he/someone in his family. I don't know the details, but tht rumor was floating around for sure.

He's a 4 star with offers from big schools that recruit well. What else is there?

Mixture of both. Came to VT on his visit to make a commitment video (which he did) and announce his commitment on Sunday. Zohn went to breakfast with Brunson instead because he was a commit who was on his OV and Campbell was on an unofficial. That pissed his family off and they slowed his roll. He maintained that he would eventually commit once the new RB coach was in place and was sure that he was meshed well with Lecht, but it never came. The staff basically told him to shit or get off the pot about a month ago and he declined, so VT moved on

That is very unfortunate, but thank you for the insight, LA!

You're welcome. Just another notch in the belt of VT recruiting drama

Do you know why they were trying to get him to commit early? It seems if we had a chance they would try and get him on board. Or were they going to shift focus to TreVeyon

Edit Clarification: If we still had the chance of him committing to us then why wouldn't we wait for the long game and try to stay in the recruitment instead of just passing on him?

Not sure I understand your question. A 4* running back was ready to commit. Why wouldn't they take it?

I think it was more "why would we want him to commit early but not now?"

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Pride, setting an example, not wasting resources, etc.

Sheesh... Hopefully Fuente has the staff he needs to be able to operate like a P-5 program.

Is it basketball season yet?

Oof. This really sucks.

Little prima donna attitude by the family, if they are upset over one breakfast what are they gonna do if he sits on the bench early in his career - sounds like he is transfer portal material wherever he goes without early playing time. Will be interesting to follow him and see if that plays out.

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I prefer not to make these kinds of jumps based solely off the interactions and relationship a recruit has with our staff. Sometimes it's just a simple matter of actions speak louder than words. Consider a situation where our staff was telling him for weeks that he was our number one RB target for 2021, pumping him up, and pressing him to commit, then he and his family come on the trip and feel like the secondary priority to another player at the same position (albeit in a different class).

As VT fans we look at this and might say, "well duh Brunson was on an OV and BC was on an unofficial, this makes total sense." But BC and his family don't care about who is and isn't on what kind of visit, they feel that the actions of the staff spoke louder than the words as they pressed for his commitment.

This is total conjecture, but I just wanted to add another perspective for consideration. I tend to dislike the current trend of anytime a player doesn't commit, cools on a school, etc. they suddenly are "a transfer portal guy," or "not a good culture fit." This isn't unique to our fanbase in the slightest bit, but it's a trend I find rather unfair to recruits.

I would go as far as saying neither the player or staff should be viewed in any particular negative light because we just don't know the whole truth of any of it.

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Honest question but what are the differences between an official and an unofficial visit in terms of recruiting? Because I had that thought of Brunson was X while Campbell was Y, but then I realized I don't really what the difference is between the two.

Overly simplistic answer:

Official: the school pays for the trip, is allowed to do more things with the kid, etc. Recruits are only allowed to take 5 official visits total.

Unofficial: the kid finds his own way to the school. More restrictive rules on activities, but no cap on how many times a kid goes to see a campus.

Some effects of the rules:

  • since the school is paying for the trip, they (generally) only offer an OV to guys they're serious about, and feel they have a good shot with. So a program may want to commit to trying to push themselves over the finish line.
  • there is the assumption that if a kid has decided to use one of his 5 visits on you, you're probably seriously in the hunt. Again, a program may feel motivated to double down on the OV.
  • one could argue that if a kid is coming repeatedly, or long distance, on his family's own dime, that he's probably pretty serious. You still want to get that verbal, but you could feel a little more secure if you have limited resources to spread around in that particular day.

The staff basically told him to shit or get off the pot about a month ago and he declined

I like this. Don't hold up a scholarship for another kid who wants to be here to a kid that's waffling (pun intended).

It does open the door for TH, I don't know if he'd commit with a 4* commit from TX and a crowded RB room.

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We're not getting TH, but BC's commitment wouldn't have affected him either way. He's about to join and class with another high 4* running back commit

With TH likely off the board unless a major change of heart, are Estime, K. Edmonds, or Newton realistic targets that are at the top of the board?

Probably. Even though pulling NC kids out of NC and NJ kids out of NJ is pretty tough at the moment

This is disheartening, although not unsurprising. Any insight into exactly why he wouldn't want to come here?

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

Frankly he has better opportunities. He likes VT a lot more than most think, but looking it objectively (especially as a running back) who wouldn't pick OSU, OU, UGA, etc. over VT? We like to look at guys like DD as being the ones that break the mold and take a chance, but the safer path to the NFL for most of these guys is to go to a place that has proven to churn out top end talent on a year in year out basis

That's a fair point. Thanks for the insight. I think the thing that I struggle with most with this argument (I agree with you FWIW) is that it feels like something we (VT) cannot fix unless we somehow upgrade talent. It doesn't feel like it all that long ago that we were turning out top backs, but the offensive system has certainly changed and we know recruiting has really changed. A follow up question if you have the time, what can Tech do then to change the narrative for recruiting the highest of high end guys??

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Not LA but I think the first thing which is specific to running back would be to show you can have a workhorse/feature back in this offense that gets 20+ touches a game.

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This isn't true. Plenty of schools are enrolling multiple 4 and sometimes 5 star backs in same year or back to back. Those kids aren't getting 20+ touches a game.

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Okay that's fair. Thinking of Alabama where they have 2-3 guys and splitting carries but the difference is they are putting people in the league. I would think since we haven't put guys in the league at running back recently that we would need to show that we could give him a chance to be a feature back versus splitting carries at a powerhouse. As LA said, why would he come to us when the other power programs show a track record of putting guys in the pros better. So we need to show him what we could give him that other programs might not be able to which is a be a feature back. Obviously it doesn't apply to the other positions much. What do you think could set us apart for a big time recruit?

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I would think the narrative would be that there aren't a lot of schools that are putting 3 star RBs in the league, whether they're Alabama or Central Michigan State Agricultural and Pharmaceutical University. Talented kids go pro and we just haven't had a really talented RB in awhile, so we've had to tailor our offensive plays to other strengths. If we get one or more really good backs, that opens up the play calling and we can take advantage of more RB plays. We can also point to much improved O-line recruiting recently which should help down the road as well.

That's the million dollar question right? Probably a combination of a ton of different factors. I think the workhouse back thing is an overrated storyline though. Kids are smart these days and see that you can showcase yourself and make it to the league in a RBBC and still preserve your body to have a long career.

I wouldn't totally shut the door on that yet, not saying he ends up with us but I don't think it's a done deal, we need some positive recruiting momentum nobody wants to be the first one in they wanna follow others

Go for it

I really don't get this attitude by the Staff.

You have a 4* RB who a few months ago was all but committed, then the visit goes poorly and you continue to press him for a commit to the point of essentially saying, either commit or move on??

I understand the idea of not wasting Resources and time, but is it not more wasteful to spend Resources pursuing the top RB in the country that is already highly rumored to be a Buckeye?

I see the TH situation playing out much like KJ Henry did a few years ago.....likes VT, says nice things about us, but was never coming here from Day #1. It would seem much more logical to try to reach back out to Campbell without pressuring him to commit and seeing if the relationship can be repaired.

Maybe the situation with BC was beyond repair, but I just don't get it, the whole "strategy" by this Staff is just dumbfounding at times. We have found more ways to dissuade commits from VT than I thought was possible.

It's not unique to this staff. You can probably find similar examples at 90% of the schools around the country

This is a topic that I'm torn on. I don't believe that you need to go to a blueblood to be drafted but I can see how a recruit may want to stay away from VT if he has dreams of making the L. Has Fuente put one skill player in the L yet? Running backs from everywhere have been drafted (Toledo, Memphis, Kentucky, etc). Even Wake has a 1st rnd WR on 21 mocks and we can't get Tre on a mock...smh...Tre was more highly ranked than all of UNCs wrs but right now at least 2 would be chosen over him in the draft...

Does Isaiah Ford count? If he doesn't, then does Anthony Miller?

The issue on offensive-side hokies in the draft predates Fuente. Corey Fuller in 2013 was last offensive skill position guy drafted prior to Bucky, Sam, and Isaiah in 2017. None since, but let's see what happens with Keene next month

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I'm pretty sure he recruited those RB's from Memphis didn't he?

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Sucks but if something like that changed his mind so easily, it seems like he would have been a soft commitment at best and a decommitment would not have been a shock.

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facepalm.gif I put this on Burden, but it's also an opportunity for someone else up the chain to fill in and spend time with Campbell.

Put what? A kid on an official visit should get more attention than someone on an unofficial. First the school has more options with a kid on an official second the school is putting out money for that kid to visit and using a precious limited visit to get him on campus. Schools only get like 55 or so official visit chances.

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We'll see how it works out in the long run, but IMO you close the pending deal in front of you over going to breakfast with someone who has already signed.

FWIW I have no direct experience with college recruiting so just an outsider opinion

My guess is that life gets in the way sometimes. We want to think these coaches are putting on the greatest show for every recruit, when in fact we all have bad days or bad circumstances. If BC took such offense to it, he will probably be in for a rude awakening down the road....but I should not assume anything.

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To me, it's ok whoever was his lead recruiter at the time. They should have created realistic expectations for the weekend and communicated that they had a current commit on campus for an OV. Definitely an area where support staff would've been massively helpful

This is exactly where not having enough people on staff is hurting us. I'm sure there is more to this, like getting attention from A LOT of big hitters, but if he couldn't handle someone else a year ahead of them on their official visit getting more attention, then how do you think he would handle coming in his freshman year and in his eyes not getting enough touches? I'd say not well and these are the kids that will hit the portal in a heartbeat. Yet again, sucks to not get him, but these coaches have made it pretty clear where they stand on players and loyalty to the program before and it seems like this is another instance of them sticking to their guns on that front.

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Idk. I get it from his perspective to a certain extent. This is supposed to be arguably the biggest/most exciting weekend of his life to date. A culmination of years of hard work. It's tough for a lot of people when you're in that type of situation and not everything goes according to plan. Those of you that are married, think of how some brides react when the smallest thing goes wrong on their wedding day...

Hokies make the top group for Florida cornerback

According to the industry-generated 247Sports Composite ranking system, Oladokun is considered the No. 61 cornerback prospect nationally and the No. 100 overall prospect in Florida.

He currently holds 15 reported scholarship offers.

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So just listening to ESPNU on XM and as of now most SEC teams still plan to hold spring practice and some form of spring game. That's a huge advantage over programs that have everything on hold or canceled.

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Yeah that's a massive advantage. I don't understand why winter and spring sports were canceled or put on hold by the NCAA, but it looks like football activities were up to the conferences.

$EC. It just means more.

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Since everything is closed for the foreseeable future, I'd love to see Fuente do more stuff to keep the fan base engaged, pod casts, videos, anything. Make it an opportunity to sell yourself and the program.

TreVeyon Henderson's top 9 includes VT:

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top row, that has to be good right?

forget our logo placement -- Clemson isn't even on the list

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Big ones we need to worry about are Oklahoma, Ohio State and UNC in my opinion, he wants to play RB and Clemson recruited as a DB that knocked them out

Go for it

UGA's got a good recent track record of putting RBs into the league in the top three rounds. Chubb, Michel, Gurley most recently and Moreno not too far before that.

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That is my fear, I can only hope they have a logjam at RB and he see's a quicker path to the field at Tech. Hopefully he has paid attention to the careers of Slade, Laborn, and Ford and watched them see a ton of bench minutes at schools with multiple highly rated RB recruits.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Per 247 he said Ohio St is the favorite...

Well they just landed the #6 RB recruit in the country so maybe a little bit more of a crowd there.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

As i said above, I'm cautiously optimistic.

There's some smoke about him and Grimes possibly being a package deal, which makes Ohio St major competition.

We got DD early, and he's recruiting for us. But, I'm prepared to be hurt.

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FWIW, Grimes and DD are apparently going back on TikTok now. Can't hurt, I guess.

I've started stockpiling Hardee's coupons. Couldn't hurt.

Dekel Crowdus announced his top 10

Idk if this has been posted yet, but Pryor committed to OSU over UNC fwiw

Best possible news IMO. Keeps a top RB from UNC, and certainly can't hurt our chances with Henderson since OSU was considered the leader.

Edit: Wow, just looked at OSU's '21 class. Already have 2 5-stars and 10 4-stars committed.

yeah they're putting together an elite class. and i agree, i def did not want him at unc

Saw Ryan Day's game management against Clemson. I was less than impressed. OSU will continue to murder everyone in the Big Ten simply because, like Clemson in the ACC, they don't face anyone who can match their talent level, but when they play against teams with equal talent, they will lose on coaching.

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I'm not aware that he was ever really a UNC lean like some thought, he was from North Carolina but still never really seemed like that's where he wanted to be at from the get go.

Go for it

DJ Harvey sounds like he may be committing tonight, don't know how to embed but he just made a post saying stay tuned tonight. This is one of the DB's we recently had in from California on the Midnight Madness trip. Don't know where we stand in this one

Go for it

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We're not listed as "warm" on the 247 site but that would be an unexpected win if we somehow did pick him up

Has he put out a top schools list before? Might just be that if not

He announced his current top 8, and we are in it along with LSU, USC, Oregon, Notre Dame, Cal, Arizona, and Kansas.

"I don't have any official trip dates set with anyone but three schools I know I want to see are Oregon, USC and Virginia Tech. I recently visited Virginia Tech with my Premium 7v7 team and really liked it a lot there.

https://247sports.com/Article/Arizona-State-Cal-LSU-Oregon-Kansas-Notre-...

Naquan Brown Dropping top 6 soon

Cornerback from FL Philip Riley reporting an offer from the big dogs. Rated 88 on 247

was on campus for our wake demolition this past season:
http://www.techlunchpail.com/blog/virginia-tech-offers-four-star-josh-mc...

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McCarron visited Virginia Tech with his father in the fall and were on hand for Virginia Tech's home victory over Wake Forest.

The visit left a lasting impression.

"My dad and I visited this year and loved it," McCarron said. "I've just been in contact with their staff ever since and today, it happened.

"It was probably the most incredible college environment I've been to," he added. "When Enter Sandman came on, I saw a 90 year old woman jumping up and down with the crowd and it just left an incredible mark."

Despite living on the other side of the country, McCarron is high on the possibility of relocating for his collegiate future.

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I saw a 90 year old woman jumping up and down with the crowd and it just left an incredible mark.

This could be the answer to turn our recruiting around. Time to start filling the stands with more 90 year old women.

EDIT: just for clarity, now is not that time but hopefully one day soon

EDIT: just for clarity, now is not that time but hopefully one day soon

Well, I can volunteer in another 16 years, but I am not going do that gender reassignment surgery.

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14th p5 offer

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Coronavirus recruiting dead period: Improvise, Adapt, Overcome

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

o/

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That's one of the best things ever produced by VT by a mile

Loved the video. Sort of wish they would put some graphics to fill the space on the tunnel walls though. Current players/previous players/general get hyped words of encouragement/whatever

That's what I call making the best of a bad situation. Gave me goosebumps for sure.

saved the best for last book it lock it down 10/10 we done here fam

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It's just in alphabetical order of the schools from what I can tell quickly glancing it over

Go for it

Wrong, he even said no specific order in his tweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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In such uncertain times, it gives me great pleasure not to see UVA on these "top X" lists...

He does have a lot of Orange and Maroon in that post though :)

Wonder what this means ๐Ÿค”

Every Kid wants his time in the limelight and get those follows, retweets, likes....it's an endorphin rush to most and each want their time. That is what i take from it.

Yeah, I'm wondering if he has insider information though on people that have told him they would go with us but want to let the whole thing play out for the clout

He talks with other recruits more candid than we will ever probably know, but it also seems like it is an unwritten rule that you don't share others news or gossip and let them have their moments. It does seem however that He is extremely committed and just wants to get going to the next level. Which is good for VT.

#gokies

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Gokies man! You know the Kevin Jones created turkey foot keychains?? At least I hope that's what he's referring to.

Donovan Leary - Pro style QB reported an offer

Interesting that QP retweeted the offer

Devin Leary's (current starting QB at NC State). little brother. Hopefully they're like the Glennons in that one goes to State and the other goes to VT and the little brother is the better talent.

Dunno if i agree with better (admittedly didn't follow Mikes career too closely), but given how we treated Sean I have no issues with him picking NC State. Further, Mike didn't light it up in the NFL, but then again very few ppl do.

Mike also didn't want to come to VT because of Tyrod (Mike wanted to start right away). When he committed as a high school senior, he thought he could start as an underclassman at NC State because their QB situation was in flux. At the time, Russell Wilson was only a 2-star QB and was in his redshirt year.

Sean is okay guy, and hindsight is 20/20. He helped us get a couple of ACC titles, and competed enough with Tyrod to make things interesting in 08. If our fans were an issue for Mike, I'm sure he enjoyed the NC State fan vitriol over his tenure. Although, they did beat Clemson.

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Sean also has nothing but good things to say about his time at VT. Mike also doesn't quite fit what we liked to do on offense at the time so it wasn't shocking.

Sean has nothing but good to say now, but 10 years ago was a different story. Insiders indicated VT wasn't in the running from Mike for the reasons indicated above.

But yeah, we treated Sean poorly. That's pie on our face collectively.

Yeah, none of that was Sean's fault. In 2006, the offensive line was horrible. In 2007, he lost his starting spot after LSU's championship caliber defense embarrassed everyone on our offense except the true freshman with running ability that LSU, along with everyone else, didn't expect to play. When he got a second chance, he made the most of it. In 2008, we had no viable options at receiver at the beginning of the year with Hyman, Harper, Morgan, and Royal are departing. Boykin and Coale didn't come on till later in the season.

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Couple of CB's in from Matej Sis and Evan Watkins for Landyn Watson:

Landyn pls

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Great way for a support staffer to keep connected to the kids.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

wonder if he means not to believe the media in the sense that they all have him tabbed to go to tOSU or in the sense that they have him tabbed as the #2 RB in the nation. Or third option, he's reminding us during a turbulent time to not fully trust the media....so many options.

maybe he decided what he wanted to watch on Netflix last night, and 247 assumed he had decided on a college choice..

I'm confused he literally said hes made his decision and then says that after they simply relay that message? Am I missing something?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

That's he's 18 years old

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Dream situation is that he pulls a Kevin Jones on OSU. Comes out in full Buckeye gear and then does a Drake "flip switch " on them.

I took this as the #2 Running back. Ironic, as I see 247 has him as the #1 RB, so not sure what happened there.

Maybe he decided what he wants for breakfast tomorrow ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Did he ever announce his breakfast decision? Must have eaten by now, right? Did dunkin' donuts send his dad a dozen at the last minute and now he has to rethink his decision?

Must be all the Hardees coupons he keeps getting! We may sway him yet if we can help decide breakfast!

seeing that Wooten's tweet was deleted has me like

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Alec Bryant getting in on the action as well!

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I hope Joe gets to finally publish one of his queued up articles tonight

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Queued up article pls....

Writing is on the wall and it's the same old same old.

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Committed to anOSU.

School he didn't even visit. Damn

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I mean, it's known that OSU has a much nicer and friendlier Twitter fanbase. That clearly tipped the scales.

He didn't even have Tech in the edit. UVA made the edit though. Hopefully we can turn the play around on the field, stay away from the negative headlines and move forward.

I was about to post the same thing. Kind of weird that he didn't even have us in the edit considering he was just posting pictures in our uniform days ago. Anyway, I expect this to happen with every single other high ranking recruit we thought we had a chance with...

insert "I'm ready to get hurt again" gif

I'm glad thats over... missed the glad the frist time

"Roll Tyrod"

Welp

Open your eyes Nicholas

final 4 per the video..
Oklahoma
Virginia
Michigan
Ohio State

Let's all stand in a circle and act shocked

Not really surprised we need to start getting better results before high level guys start turning their heads our way. Hopefully they can bring in a few highly motivated guys with some chips on their shoulders to help keep elevating the team.

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anOSU has THREE 5 โญ๏ธ recruits already in that class Tech has 4 since 2001. It's not just about having a good recent record. Name brand and historical relevance mean a lot. Go look at teams winning NC they are teams who also won one before 1990.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Sure name and reputation mean alot but even at their worst they're still in the national championship picture where as it's been 19 years since we were in that picture these kids have never seen us at that level. Ah fuck now I made myself sad thinking how long it had been

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

LA just said 2 days ago that he wasn't coming to VT.....and yall still get worked up....๐Ÿ˜‚

Yeah I mean, Tech had an outside, outside chance because they got him on campus last. But the money quotes in the interview/article I posted did not favor Tech in the slightest.

Yeah, once I read that he wanted to win National Championships I knew we were out. I mean he could have helped us work our way to the playoffs and perhaps be competitive but OSU is there right now and is in the conversation every year.

I'll be shocked when someone of his caliber actually chooses us.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Is anyone surprised, or did anyone really expect him to choose us? Honest question, not trying to start a shit storm. That's just not us. Last 5 star we got was Kendall Fuller who had a brother on the roster.

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Not surprise, maybe an indifference to the idea that the top players in our back yard just don't want to come to VT. That can hurt a fan base psyche. We were a touching a very high ceiling from 99-02, 04-11, and only really 16 has been as close to that as we've since gotten. Youngings don't know just how good we can be, and oldies want the good old days. Recruiting losses, yeah, that adds to it.

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BSME 2009

Not surprised that TH didn't come to VT, but surprised that with all the positive chatter after his visit that we apparently didn't even crack the top 4.

Its pretty sobering to see how far off we are from a Recruiting standpoint.

Welp, back to the drawing board for RB's in 2021

*sigh* feel like we've been here before who else is left?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Nah y'all 2022 recruiting is where Tech is really gonna show that they mean business...

When we promote a social media intern to a positions coach!

Marshall University student.
Virginia Tech fanatic.

Bottom line, Fuente will not turn around recruiting to the point that Tech consistently signs top 20 classes. I don't think he's capable of it. And if it didn't happen coming off the first 10 win season in five years in 2016, with all the new blood enthusiasm, I seriously doubt it happens in year five and beyond. So he needs to become Wisconsin-East and start winning 10 games a year with the 40th ranked class, or go coach baseball or something and let a competent program builder who can handle modern day recruiting step in and handle things.

And if they could tone down the "sHoCk EvErYoNe AnD pLaY fOr A mId TiEr 8 wIn PrOgRaM" messaging from J-Ham, that would be cool. Like, let's have some dignity about the process, come on.

Okay. One thought. The days of blue chip backs coming to tech is pretty much over as long as our offensive scheme stays the same. Outside of Wilson/Williams since jones, we haven't had a "premier" back recruit. However, we have had guys like ore, Evans, and even McMillan have success (and ore/Evans were not highly recruited). Why is that? Well Wilson/Williams averaged around 25 touches a game in their tenure with one season shared. Why would a 5* back come to a place where they will get MAYBE 8-10 touches a game early in their career. Now, having said that, let's be bright, we have king, Herbert, and a quasi slot/rb in blackshear. Folks, we will be fine. Keshawn has a bright bright future and with a fantastic offensive line, which mind you one of whom we stole from anOSU...the sun will rise tomorrow. Please, let's not get the rona and get football season here!

Seriously though...do we have any other RB targets for 21' with Henderson and Campbell off the board?

One that comes to mind is 757 target Malik Newton. We recently made his top-12

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I've been really curious about Malik Newton because I've seen comments from those who watch him for over a year about him being a real deal college back. I've seen multiple people suggest he is heavily underrated, but I've had a hard time figuring out if we are recruiting him hard. I have heard he is also a great baseball prospect and may choose tht route instead.

I would love more info on him.

So. Can anybody give me a good reason why I should follow recruiting beyond looking at a list of who signed on signing day(s)? This trying to divine the minds of 18yos is driving me to drink. this is just pointless.

Absent any good reason to follow recruiting, I'm out.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.