Coronavirus Discussion Thread #2 (or 3 or 4, depending on when you started counting)

Please keep this topic limited to discussions regarding:
- Coronavirus closures and cancellations
- Current developments regarding the spread of COVID-19 and impact on this and other nations
- Tips and tricks for keeping your sanity while riding out the pandemic
- Impacts to you and your family
- Other items of such a sundry nature

What not to discuss:
- Politics. Policy effects on the spread of coronavirus are difficult to discuss without crossing the line into politics. Personally, I think policy impacts are okay, but please leave the political aspects (how policy is made, etc.) out of it.
- Anything against the CGs. (Yes, I know politics is against the CGs, but since the other thread went there, I wanted to put it out there specifically.)
- Hoarding tips and tricks. Just don't go there.

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Student-athletes can't do charitable GoFundMe fundraisers?

She's definitely qualified to hold a fundraiser.

Oh, wait, she's an NCAA athlete, too.

Still qualified.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

What a hair couple...lustrous

As if we need another proof that the NCAA are a bunch of doofus while pocketing millions.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Well...technically this time it wasn't the NCAA that shut it down. It looks like Clemson told them to take it down because they didn't want to run afoul of the NCAA's stupid rules.

Still, if the NCAA wasn't a bunch of asshats in the first place, this wouldn't have been an issue, and shouldn't have been.

This seems silly, but also why do we need Trevor Laurence doing this? I get that he wants to help, but presumably there are people who are better positioned already. If you're trying to activate the Clemson donation base, do it through whatever their wildly successful Hokie Club analog is called. There are already lots of sports folks trying to help. It's silly that this guy can't, but the outrage over this seems overblown?

I hear ya, but a few weeks ago, Louisiana had a presser, with Coach O about the virus...not the governor. Because people will listen to Coach O.........

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Saban did the same and suddenly city governments in Bama are taking precautions.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Gotta echo VTNerf. A lot of these coaches/players have a louder voice and more clout among fans than administrators or local/state politicians. In most cases, that's probably not a good thing, but it's reality.

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King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Interesting. A common-sense decision by the NCAA.

Would the NCAA have said the same if it were Hendon Hooker?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If it gets out of hand again, everyone can find another place to discuss Covid-19. It's a pain in the ass to moderate, and it's making that job more difficult for folks.

Concur. That's why I said what I said up top. Not sure if that meets exactly what you're okay with, feel free to edit to add verboten topics.

We want to be able to talk about this here, and we should be able to without violating CGs.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ugh. Weyerbacher used to have a great beer called verboten back in the day and I miss it so much

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

That's why I am just a nominee and not a moderator.

Given the chance to throw poo at Liberty "University", its founder, or his spawn...just call me a gorilla with a healthy diet and a hell of an arm. It's a fecal flinging reflex. I know it's not constructive or within CG, but it's who I am.

I didn't mean to cause no harm. I just see the flames and the ones who started them and poo starts flying.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

If poo flinging at Liberty U is wrong, I don't want to be right

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Alum, we may not agree on everything, but we'll always have this.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Who ever told you that you were right? ๐Ÿค”

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

KCCO

I HEARD Governor Northam is considering a ban on gathering of 10 or more Corona threads anyway. That should help.

Leonard. Duh.

My employer has informed everyone that because our goods and services are essential for national defense, we are exempted from mandatory "stay-at-home" orders. The floor I work on where there are mixture of engineers, buyers, and technical writers have mostly stayed at home. I have elected to work Monday and today, but will be working from home the rest of the week. Some possible modifications, in order to follow social distancing recommendations, includes adding 2nd and 3rd shifts. Personally, I think that's a great idea because it would a) keep the business going, and b) reduce the amount of people working the production floor.

I am sure that my employer would rather pay high electricity bills than to deal with lost/missed opportunity to meet on-time-shipments due to high absenteeism because of the virus.

I just feel horrible for folks who lost their jobs working in restaurants and hotels since most college students earn their living on tips in restaurants and hotels employs people during peak seasons. My daughter has been furloughed, I guess, from HomeGoods since they decided to close store and was given 2 weeks pay. My wife provides service for the deaf and hard of hearings and she has already lost some jobs due to cancellation.

It's an all-around CF.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

The place I work just released a new shift schedule to minimize interactions with multiple crews. (We man 24 hrs, but produce pharmaceuticals; otherwise we'd be shut down by now).

Rather than normal 2 or 3 (12 hr) day or night shifts, we're looking at 7 consecutive days or nights. (AKA "Port & Starboards". Luckily, there's 7 days off in between each rotation).

Looks like we went to the same high school! I was final class of last century.

Looks like we went to the same high school!

Pulaski County?

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Cougar Pride!

I'm Class of 2000. You?

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

92

Oh dang. Class of 09 here fellas.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Nope. I made a bad assumption there!

I have been getting my takeout lunches from the small mom and pop places trying to stay alive with the pick up market.

I was surprised to see food trucks making their rounds at my employer's parking lot, but my employer have been strongly encouraging people to maintain social distance and cleaning obsessively.

I have been eating my breakfast and lunch at my cubicle. In the past, I would venture downstairs to the cafeteria but since the social distancing came in force, I simply decided to stay put in my cubicle, and always eat something from home.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

I'm in the same boat - we have a manufacturing facility in PA that got exempted from their governor's orders that preceded VA's. We knew the same was going to happen here.

We've rolled out similar teleworking plans to our "overhead" staff and engineering teams where applicable, and have supported some off-shift work. My specific team is in a bit of a bind because we are all SW engineers that share integration and testing responsibilities inside a closed lab - so it's been a CF since everyone doesn't want to come in every day, but then that delays testing. Doesn't help that we have 3 temps that require a lot of supervision/feedback because they're still relatively new to the program.

Anybody in the DoD or defense contracting heard anything about travel restrictions? We have a scheduled trip to a customer in Syracuse in two weeks for a contractually-required software delivery that includes two days of testing and demos. As far as I know, we've been deemed "mission critical" for travel approval but obviously flying + New York state is a very risky proposition at the moment. Driving might be an alternative option for our team...

Is your customer on the essential exempted list in New York? Everything else is on lockdown - and its actually being taken seriously upstate. I do work in an essential business (grocery) and my drive to work has about 5% of the traffic it normally does. Many businesses have outright closed right now.

DoD work - so definitely exempted. Thankfully, the powers that be weighed the pros and cons and cancelled the trip yesterday. It's definitely a major setback for the project cycle to not be able to test on site, but not as much as if a significant chunk of our team gets sidelined for a quarantine.

Have your team tried to use Microsoft's Teams? Right now, my employer are using Skype Business Meeting, but I think we are going to switch over to Teams.

As for travel restrictions, my general advice is don't. The wife and I had planned to travel this weekend to Colifax to visit our sister, and decided to cancel out of abundance of cautions. Plus our niece came down with a cold. We had also bought Amtrak tickets to go to Washington, D.C. last month and we are going to have to eat the cost since it is nonrefundable. The trip to D.C. was supposed to be in a few weeks.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Can vouch for Teams. We use it as part of normal ops, which made for a seamless transition to working from home.

We've been dabbling in Teams for a year now. Never let a crisis go to waste. My company has been using antiquated systems including email overload forever and this may he the conduit to modernization.

A coworker has been trying to get Teams to be implemented because it's supposed to allow faster collaborations, especially when we tend to work in team-based manufacturing environment anyway.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Normally I love Teams, but with people using it so much more these past few weeks, the call and video quality has gone way down. I had issues with it all day today and so did my colleagues around the country.

Check on the non-refundable. I got an email from Amtrak saying they would be making everything refundable.

Awesome! I'll tell my wife and she will be relieved.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Our systems are classified - so anything that touches the network is a no-go. It's pretty much butts in seats and email/phone calls if you need remote support.

I just looked through the last thread I'm very sorry to say I missed the fun!

My work just extended WFH until April 10. I'm going to look like a caveman by the time I eventually get back to the office.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Im enjoying the first dream theater album I've ever purchased ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

Open your eyes Nicholas

Which one?

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence changed my life when I first heard it. I was unlike anything else I had listened to.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Scenes from a Memory will always be my favorite

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

And this is the album i got๐Ÿ˜ƒ i think I'm going to too go with either Awake or Train of thought for my next album๐Ÿค”

Open your eyes Nicholas

go with six degrees of inner turbulence like DCIMSA mentioned above. you won't regret it

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I do like the glass prison so i might have too

Open your eyes Nicholas

I haven't ventured much past Greatest Hit (and 21 other pretty cool songs), but I took a flyer on SDoIT during raid last night. Thanks for the rec. Great stuff.

I need to listen to more of their full albums.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Falling into infinity is a really good album๐Ÿ˜ƒ i think its really underrated

Open your eyes Nicholas

If you like Dream Theater give a listen to Porcupine Tree. Another great prog rock band. Highly Suggest the "Arriving Somewhere but not Here" Album. It is live and badass. Also, there is a DVD of this performance which is kickass. I have the DVDs but I'm sure with all the streaming available these days you could find it somewhere out there.

Also Haken, The Contortionist, anything by Devin Townsend

My work relies on the real estate market. Right now it's been about the same as it was over winter instead of the speed-of-light pace we're used to this time of year. I hope it continues but everything's unknown.

Wife's a therapist and is out 2 weeks until they can get teletherapy going. Thank the gods our daycare is still open so we have been able to both work as long as we have.

Click here to destroy wall.

Market is still nuts in Blacksburg. I put my condo on the market last Thursday and I got the first offer on Saturday.

Honestly, I'm surprised it took more than 24 hours.

Click here to destroy wall.

It was only 1 bath and on the south side of Town. Piedmont. Also rented fully until June of next year.

My wife just got her first direct patient with a positive test. Looks like I'm working from home for a few weeks....

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

So like I said in the last thread, I was tested last Wednesday for COVID19 because I wasn't feeling great, had some tightness in my chest, and had gotten back from Europe just a few days before the travel ban.

Tomorrow will be one week from when I was tested and I STILL don't have my results. They first told me 3-5 days, now its 5-7, and honestly I'm not too optimistic about getting them tomorrow. It's frustrating because I had to sign a form saying "I won't go outside, I'll isolate/quarantine until I'm cleared." Even though I've felt much better in the last few days, I'm completely isolating just in case, but getting things like groceries has been more difficult than it needs to be.

Just kinda wanted to share my experience with the ordeal and show how bogged down testing has been.

#38-0

Hope it is negative.

Not to scare you, but don't let your guard down. I have seen reports that a lot of cases reported feeling bad for a few days, then a general improvement for a couple days, and that's when it either clears up, or shit goes down hill. Can't find the article where I saw that now though

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We are being furloughed for 2 weeks this spring

Recruit Prosim

I don't know why I quickly read the thread title as this:

CORONAVIRUS DISCUSSION THREAD #2 (OR 3 OR 4, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU STARTED COUGHING)

In all honesty, stay safe FAM ๐Ÿบ

Let's Go

HOKIES

Update from Japan: As you all probably already know, the summer Olympics have been postponed to a date no later than next summer. Students are back in school after taking the last few weeks off. I teach English at a major shopping mall, and people seem to be going about their days as usual. I play basketball every Wednesday night with some locals at a junior high school gym and we're back at it this evening after taking a break since the schools have been closed. We'll see if things change once the virus starts to have a bigger impact on our island which I think is inevitable. As of now, 6 confirmed cases on an island of just under 1.4 million.

As long as you get to the gratuitous beach episode of whatever anime you are living in, you'll be fine!

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

El. Psy. Kongroo.

English at a major shopping mall,

Wait, thats a thing?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Not like major Japanese cities have room for many strip malls.

it's almost like learning math in an emporium within a strip mall...

๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ

I mean there's a community college at the mall in Christiansburg...

New River Community College in point of fact.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

And it was a great use of the movie theater location after they built the stadium seating Regal adjacent to the mall.

I taught a night class there for a year - so I hesitate on your the use of "great" due to the fact that I had to work really hard to keep everyone engaged, and especially during student presentations.

I will say that it was pretty cool to have a giant screen behind you while you lectured though.

It's pretty standard throughout Asia. English teaching is big business and shopping malls are where families go on the weekend. Location, location, location

3 People in my family are under the assumption that they have/had COVID-19.

My aunt and uncle went to conference in New Orleans and my uncle hasn't felt right since then. This is dating back to around the Super Bowl.

My cousin apparently had it, and my aunt had symptoms for 2 weeks, but was just sick with flu like symptoms.

My uncle just went to the hospital on Sunday due to shortness of breath. He doesn't have pneumonia yet, but he has the dry cough.

My cousin had low grade fever, but no other symptoms.

They are putting my uncle in self quarantine and will not have the results of his tests for 5 to 7 days.

This is all in Miami. My uncle is in his early 60s and had dinner with Grandparents in their 90s around 2 weeks ago. I'm hoping they are in the clear.

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will not have the results of his tests for 5 to 7 days.

I wouldn't take that to mean much. My roommate was told 24-72 hours when he got the test. After the 3rd day he called and they said it will be 5 days after he got the test. It's been a week and 2 days now and we still don't have the results. He's felt completely fine, since 2 days after the test and never developed a fever. At this point its a real annoyance because you're sitting in limbo trying not to go anywhere but we're quickly running out of things.

To be frank unless they can speed up testing its really not doing people any good that have mild to no symptoms.

(add if applicable) /s

lol am I your roommate?!? Seems like that has been the common experience. At some point, I'm just going to have to disinfect myself and not speak or touch my face while in public. Homie needs some laundry detergent

#38-0

Another person I know took the test 4 days after him and just got her (negative) result back. He's now livid. She's in the medical field so they may have fast tracked her but 4 days difference is a little ridiculous. Now onto a week an a half

(add if applicable) /s

It just depends on who is doing the testing. Many commercial labs are getting behind with the volume. 2 weeks ago the commercial lab doing them in my area took 5 days, now it is over a week. Some labs have developed a rapid test and if those can get approved then things may get better.

I mean I don't know how it works but their samples were taken at the same facility. I guess they could have changed labs they were sending to in that time.

Who knows its the same testing facility that somehow had 70 workers exposed

(add if applicable) /s

This is dating back to around the Super Bowl.

The implications of this is staggering. How far has it spread with low symptoms since then?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

They said that he hasn't felt right for a while now. He went to the doctors a few times, and they gave him some antibiotics at first, and it didn't do anything.

It all makes sense now if he indeed has COVID-19 as it can last a long time and its hard to get over. I'm hoping this is the worst it will get for him as it peaks and then apparently starts to get better. I'm hoping the no pneumonia and just a bad infection is as far as it goes.

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Good news, his test came back negative!

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So Florida banned almost all medical procedures but emergency and "medically required". So my wife was just notified all physicians will take a 60 percent pay cut and staff will work "when needed". They also are running out of supplies needed to safely do the emergency cases they have. Yet Florida refuses to truly hold accountable people, local government and businesses who are not helping stop the spread and flatten the curve. My county is keeping its beaches open because of "economic impact", I called about a CrossFit gym that was still holding classes and the county refused to send someone out to close them down, our planned community let a wedding reception of over 150 people occur Saturday.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Insert some people just want to watch the world burn image...

There are many times that I lament living in NY. I am not a big fan of our governor. But in this case, he has things right, shut everything down and is expediting testing. Other governors should pay attention to NY, or they will probably regret it.

People should definitely be paying attention to NY. Over 5% of the cases world wide are in NY.

Virginia has done the same:

To address the need for more healthcare providers at facilities across the state, Virginia is taking steps to re-work its licensing procedures and allow medical students to help with patients, Northam said.

Healthcare professionals are also encouraged to volunteer their experience and expertise through the Virginia Medical Reserve Corps. Already about 1,500 VAMRC volunteers have offered to help, Northam said.

The state is working to secure more personal protective equipment (PPE) for those health care providers.

This includes a new order directing all hospitals to stop performing elective surgeries or procedures to help conserve supplies like bed space and equipment like ventilators and PPE. Source

I wouldn't be surprised if Virginia follow suit and order a state-wide curfew and stay-at-home order.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

My wife was ordered to close her dental office until at least 24 April due to a statewide ban on non-lifethreatening or pain reducing type procedures.

We are prepared and everything is good, they just don't want us using medical supplies. But we have to pay our staff fully and pay all the bills.
I'm not sure we can do that past that point. We may just have to close our doors.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

This isn't a "didn't-read-the-room" comment...it's because of his profession.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Man, that sucks! I mean, what if somebody has toothache and they can't go to your wife? What's she supposed to do? I mean, damn it, our mouth is one of the first line of defenses against disease.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

If it's truly pain then she can open the office just for that patient and have had to do so twice but each one is a cost loss.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Our secretary spent a weekend in Atlantic City a few weeks ago. Came back, worked in the office for over a week, then started feeling bad. Went to the ER and they gave her the run around about the test. Wanted to send her on her way with no test, until she mentioned AC. It's been 8 days....and no results. We are in lower Delaware. This is the reason why numbers are light....they aren't testing, and aren't getting results back. We've kinda self-quarantined ourselves the best we can, but it's crazy waiting to see if you actually worked beside someone for 10 days..........

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I've heard that you can expect cases in Delaware to jump significantly because the testing should start coming in soon. Kent County's #s were singled out as being artificially low because almost none of the test results were available as of yesterday but I assume that the same is true for Sussex.

Thankfully, a lot of the non-residents have gone home with the weather colder and wetter and the beaches closed

There have been a few that came down St Pats weekend, partied in OC, went home, and are now sick. No wonder Hogan is jacked up over what happened. Those cases won't show for the beach, but who knows how it spread or who it spread to (and where they went).

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I live in Philly and the amount of stupidity around the virus on St. Patricks day weekend was mind numbing. I saw a bus of middle-aged people in green going somewhere.

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the OC scene on St Patty's was stupid. All ages of people were obviously not taking this seriously

Well.... yeah

As I posted yesterday, the fact is, this disease was first detected in China back on November 17th. The US closed its international border with China on February 1st. Two and a half months passed between when it was detected and when we acted to where it could have and probably did make its way over here and begin spreading undetected, misdiagnosed as the common flu. And even then, it still took us a month and a half to begin implementing lockdown and quarantine measures stateside after we closed the border to China. So, this disease had 4 months to make its way over to the US and begin spreading literally uncontrolled before we reacted.

What's most frustrating right now is just how many roadblocks are in the way of getting tested for CV-19. In order to be tested right now, you have to be able to prove that either you were in a region impacted by this during the time that the US says the disease was present, or you have direct interaction with someone who has already tested positive. When you look at the timeline, its incredibly likely that community transmission of this disease has been going on here in the US since the first few weeks of the year. And, in the event you are lucky enough to get your number called to be tested, you're still going to have to wait until a test is available. In places like Mecklenburg County, NC (where Charlotte is located) up until at least the last couple days, they were limiting the number of tests to 4 per day. For the county.

So we really have no idea how far this has spread and how rampant it is. And this is why its SO dangerous that we're already seeing politicians openly talk about lifting quarantines to get the country back up and running. We don't know how bad it already is, and that needs to be the base line before we even begin to think about opening everything up.

In fact, a lot of policies that have been going on through this definitely seem to be created for the sole purpose of suppressing the number of people who are infected. And when you have the government making decisions based on the numbers of cases and the rates of spread, its REALLY dangerous to have policies out there that, even inadvertently, exist to suppress those same numbers.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

You keep noting the disease was first diagnosed in November and we did nothing until late January/early February. The article you cite even admits that Drs in China didn't note mass cases in Wuhan and realize what was going on until late December, which coincides with when they first alerted the WHO in January. It's really disingenuous to pretend that the US knew about this and how bad it was becoming in early November. China may have known earlier than disclosed, but that's it.

Even if you go by the public announcement of CV-19 in China in December, we saw the rapid exponential spread of it in China beginning in late December, and still waited around a month to react and close our border. And we still waited two and a half months to start implementing procedures to limit spread (including, and most concerning, producing and administering tests) within the US.

And, yes... China knew about this and knew about this right away. And unfortunately for all of us on this planet, ordered all testing to stop and all research into it destroyed in late December in order to suppress its existence.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Any rant you go on about what should have been done is pointless. Let's focus on what is being done. Also, if the virus was here at the first of the year, and it wasn't bad enough to absolutely know it was here, then it doesn't matter.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

yes, no use rehashing everything that derailed the other thread.

i'll be keeping an eye

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Any rant you go on about what should have been done is pointless.

I disagree

when you're talking about things like 'when should we start relaxing the lockdown/quarantine measures' that seems to have growing support, it is vitally important to recognize and acknowledge what we don't know so that we can make the appropriate decisions. We are pathetically behind the curve on our own insight into how bad this already is in the US. It is not even remotely the time to begin having the conversation on when we open things back up. Right now, we still need to get a handle on the exact situation we have right now, because we completely botched our 2+ month window to be proactive.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

It's pointless because the rant today likely won't be any different than it was when you ranted it yesterday.

At this point, we have to do the best we can moving forward and not just monday morning quarterback the situation on the internet. yes, we're woefully underprepared. consistently pointing that out doesn't do much to fix anything.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The governor of Mississippi just made an executive order that forbids stay at home lockdown or quarantine measures within his state.

This is the exact kind of behavior I was worried about, and an action that will impact this whole country. This disease is going to be allowed to spread uncontrolled within their borders and it will impact the surrounding states and eventually the whole country bases on intrastate trade. This is stupidly dangerous

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Dear governor:

El. Psy. Kongroo.

These are the kinds of well thought out comments that are allowed here that really chap my ass.

Man if gifs really chap your ass you must have a tough time on this website most days.

But that being said, ignoring the advice of almost every medical professional in the entire world does seem dumb when it comes to a medical crisis.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

Did you read his comment at all before making the snarky comeback?

"The governor of Mississippi just made an executive order that forbids stay at home lockdown or quarantine measures within his state.

This is the exact kind of behavior I was worried about,"

You are literally agreeing with him.

Yes. My gif was not directed to alum, but the governor of Mississippi. Sorry, should have made that more clear.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

That changes everything. Leg

I realize my response to you was too snarky as well. Leg for you too. My apologies!

El. Psy. Kongroo.

perhaps consider adding that to the gif post

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

For the record, I never thought it was directed at me.

And yes, I agree with the gif. And yes, I also think this entire decision is based on a whole heck of a lot of disinformation that is out there, stemming directly from how this has been politicized from the start.

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This seems a bit biased IMO. Negativity and positivity should both be allowed in any discussions as long as it is civil. To tell Alum that he can't have his viewpoint because it may be different than others seems wrong. To be positive during these times is a great thing but, bringing up negatives on a discussion forum about this very thing should be part of it.

He can have a viewpoint. That's fine. Monday morning quarterbacking is always going to happen with the benefit of hindsight, regardless of if it's a football game or a global pandemic. When the discussion starts off with "like i said yesterday" in direct reference to another thread that went off the rails, it's generally not going to go anywhere useful.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't get that people think that this is a rant about what got us to this place. What I hear is that we are in a place where we don't really know yet how widespread this can become because of all of the weeks of being in the dark for WHATEVER reason.

Talk of reopening the economy has me thinking of the mayor in Jaws. Remember this?
https://youtu.be/fGoekw7e-3U

Now, when I hear business people and certain government types talk about "keeping the beaches open," I hear the Da Dum Da Dum music playing in the background.

We will get through this, but not anytime soon if we don't deal with the shark first.

This is extremely misleading. Buckle up, because I'm a gonna speak the damn truth...

China does a lot of disdainful things and they certainly have A LOT of blame here but a few things I would like to point out that these articles are not reporting, overestimating and/or don't understand. First and foremost it's relying on a single person's account who is clearly not part of the Central government.

Full disclosure, my wife's father's family are from Wuhan and most live there. None of them have died from the virus. All were on lock down. Two worked in hospitals in administration. Also I have a personal friend working in China's version of the CDC. So with some modicum of authority here is what I know.

The order to "stop and destroy" was indeed made but it did not include "all evidence". To my understanding that simply is not true. The local city and provincial government bungled the early response to this beyond belief and the response, minor as it was in those early days, was scattered, being run independently by labs whose results were not being coordinated. The "stop and destroy" order was made to centralize the data stream and control the information the public was aware of. All non-participating labs were ordered to completely stop efforts and destroy all samples and data because the data was unreliable and the samples were dangerous. This source the article uses who was never told were to send data could simply have been determined unnecessary to where they wanted information to come from.

Having lived here so long these are what I understand to be the reasoning for any order that affects the greater population:

1) Information Control. I am certain that the Central Government choose to take time to assess rather than act to give them time to create a control on the information, as they do daily in all things. Because they need...
2) Crowd Control. This virus spread far more rapidly than anyone expected. It still is. So far every country worldwide has been woefully unprepared and underestimating this virus. China was certainly the first of them and those weeks in January between controlling the information and shutting the City down proved just how dangerous information in China can be. Once the general public in Wuhan was aware, mostly through social media, they scattered. They say 5 million Chinese "escaped" around the country and world during that time spreading this thing to all ends of the Earth, which means the actual number was more than that. Maybe even double that. Even at 5 million that's more than the entire city of Los Angeles disappearing in 2 to 3 weeks.

Now consider the alternative. If the information hadn't been controlled and centralized then social media would have upped the timeline even more for the general public to become knowledgeable of threat level. Then how many do you think would have escaped? Not just from Wuhan but from Hubei province and China in general. The government was still trying to get a grip on what was going on and how to control the outbreak, the information and the people. And China can move quick. Hospitals in ten days quick. And yet the general public were able to find out about what was going on and escape before China could understand how bad the situation really was, largely due to sheer incompetence and arrogance at the local and provincial government level.

China has a lot of fault here. Their reluctance to let in foreign medical specialists for so long and not being transparent with the WHO for example. Hell, the disgusting hygienic control or lack thereof that allow these wet markets to operate as they do in the first place. Same with the wild animal trade. Not to mention the early incompetence of the local government and now spreading conspiracy theories to divert blame. A lot of fault there.

But when there is a Billion under-to-uneducated people the only way to control them is by controlling what they know. Especially when so many of them now have disposable incomes on an industrialized economic scale to be able to travel so quickly and easily around the globe.

It's a shit way to look at it but there it is. That's the truth. I don't personally like it. I fucking hate the great firewall, but I've also seen seemingly innocuous information truly blow people's mind here. And access to information nearly cause some seriously bad shit. IMO, that's exactly what happened in this case.

My thoughts on these matter are as follow:

* The disease and the containment control will be subjected to academic studies for decades. There are plenty of lesson to learn and to prepare for the next big pandemic, assuming we all survive this.

* It doesn't matter what parties one affiliate with, it became obvious from the get-go the virus became a political football rather than an opportunity to unite everyone. An excellent piece in Foreign Policy talked about how the virus provided a perfect platform for nationalists to push for a break from globalization and even I had to agree with some of the points raised by the article.

* Speaking of academic studies, I expect there to be more studies on supply chain and how to better manage it in the event another pandemic follows: whether its raw metal to foods, supply chain is severely being hampered by government's decision to order stay at home. I anticipate we will see a greater push toward automation which will have great impact on poverty in the future.

* government policies will undergo lot of changes. They cannot be contend to safeguard the economy against act of terrorism. Now they have to think about virus pandemic. Academics will influence public policies in the future.

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I saw a guy at CVS yesterday wearing this... He also probably has a fortress made of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

Leonard. Duh.

I imagine that's not all he has at home

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

As well as....

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Nowadays, every time somebody says, "They said", or "I heard", I want to jam a roll of toilet paper down their throat.

I just want to respond to this comment from the other thread. It's been a huge pet peeve of mine how many people close to me are guilty of this in real life. Oh you heard from your cousin Jim-Bob that he heard from his neighbor that the lockdown will go for another 6-8 weeks? Unless Jim-Bob owns a fucking time machine or has confirmed prescience abilities I don't consider his input particularly concrete. I don't understand how people can prattle off obvious guesswork as actual factual information. No one fully knows what's going to happen, not even the experts.

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I always take those with a huge grain of salt, but over the weekend I had a friend who has family in DoD and FEMA tell me that they had said independently of one another that POTUS was shutting shit down Monday (as in 2 days ago). My thoughts were, "Huh. Independent sources mean it may have some legs." I then mention it to my cousin who says his sister-in-law heard the same from friends in DHS and National Guard. After that, I tell a different friend who lives in NOVA and knows a smorgasbord of acronym agency workers who ALSO said the same. At this point, thinking there's too much smoke to be absolutely no fire, I shared with a few TKPers privately.

In short, sorry Lancer, Enginerd, Flippin, and DCIMSA.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I think your anecdote speaks to another part of the problem. As with most VT grads, I know people, or know people who know people, who work in various capacities for the federal government. It seems to give people a false sense of being "in the know" when in reality our own government is all over the place on this.

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Only the last friend was a VT grad. But point taken.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I just mean because we went to a Virginia school we have an inordinate number of connections to DC and the federal government.

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I know what you meant. That's why I said "point taken." I was simply saying only one person in my anecdote has VT ties. The other two have many different ties that have nothing to do with going to a VA school.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The scariest part of the "I have a friend whose uncle in-law knows this guy" phenomenon is that it has made the jump from water cooler convo to text messaging, and it's just natural inclination to believe stuff you read.

My son got a text from his GF's dad on the national quarantine. Somebody at Leonard Inc. got the almost exact same text except that you substitute NC for PA as far as which national guard is being called out for the martial law roundup.

My son's GF's dad is normally pretty sane, but that sent him overboard to the hoard squad.

Leonard. Duh.

I feel like the other thing to keep in mind with nonsense like this is what that would actually mean. What powers does the president have to actually "shut shit down?" The answer is not that many. The federal government as a whole has a lot of power to disperse money, and I guess some related influences based on that ("Keep folks in quarantine or FEMA isn't coming to your state, Governor X"). But they can't declare businesses closed, they can't order people to stay in their houses. The CDC has some quarantine/isolating sickness powers, but they're mostly confined to ports of entry, and blocking spread across state lines.

You say that as if they haven't had the power indirectly. However in the past they have tied federal funding to complying to mandates. They have in the past said do X or you don't get Y, instead of just do X.

I mean, yeah. I say that explicitly in the post?

My point is just that we should actually think through the words that we're saying, and consider what they actually mean, and what they would mean out in the world. "The government is going to shut everything down" sounds dramatic, but means very little. "In this state, every business that isn't a grocery store is going to be shut down for two weeks, and that will be reevaluated in a week and possibly extended" sounds way less dramatic, but has actual information in it. We should try and stick to the second one. Especially when there isn't a clear mechanism for the first one to happen.

1st positive test just reported in Dare County NC.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Positive test reported in King George County, VA.

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Got some interesting news yesterday from my father in law. The Campsites for RV's etc in VA and NC are filling up rapidly with people from NY and NJ. The question is are they bringing it with them or fleeing ahead of time?

Unless they left in early February, I think we can safely assume it's the former.

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My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

Most definitely bringing it with them

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Sorry for the size, but this mayor from Kentucky is being real with his town.

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Edit: Removed my comment as it was written with the intention of humor and only caused agony. My apologies.

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This kind of real talk about CV-19 is literally the last thing I would expect out of that man

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And here it starts again.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

stop it

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My apologies. I intended for my comment about Trump to be humorous and it didn't come out right.

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Do you really not give a fuck about what Joe told us (again) about keeping politics out of it at the start of this thread? Cause i do, and i dont want this site to go away, and i dont give a fuck how many legs you have so if you cant do it, just go find somewhere else to be right now.

Edit...just to clarify... My statement was meant to be directed at more than just one person.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

We get it Alum, you're a socialist... no one gives a fuck. Not the place to assert a political position regardless of what it is. Not sure why the king of up votes can't grasp this?

Beat GT

Feel better? You've brought nothing productive to the conversation and you've only elevated the discourse.

when you get so mad at someone else toeing the line that you cross one of them yourself.

It's pretty clear that we can't handle the nuance required to have a civil discourse regarding this.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You really need to step away for a while.

(Replace DOG with MAYOR.)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Best. Mayor. Ever.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Thanks so much to everyone for this thread. It is so great to see people taking the non-pharmacological interventions of social distancing so seriously, but it is also amazing to see folks finding humor in an incredibly difficult situation. Although the age range of people I take care of is well under those who seem to be most impacted by the disease, we are still feeling the impact. We just moved our kids to the third location in the hospital over the last two weeks to make room for more adult patients in specific locations that have the isolation they need...not only the ones now, but the ones that are expected to come. While we haven't experienced the patient volumes that both coasts are dealing with, there is tons of prep going on to figure out how we can expand teams to take care of adult patients (I'm hoping they enjoy balloon animals and shadow puppets, those have always been my go to icebreakers when I meet a new family).

I'm hoping the universal delays in testing that people are still experiencing will continue to improve, because one of the logjams has been the lack of necessary reagents to complete the test...you can stick a swab in anyone's nose but the bandwidth and chemicals to run the sample has been an issue that is getting better.

This is why we need these threads on TKP. So let's help Joe to keep them here.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Thank you!!!!!! For doing what you do. Without ped onc's like yourself, I would have one less son in this world.
Stay strong. Keep making balloon animals. And whatever else is required. And if by chance we ever meet, you'll get a hearty hand shake, big hug, and a tall glass of whatever you are drinking.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Thanks so much. Sucks that you had to meet us but glad we are in your rear view mirror. I'm just a piece of a big team...the people who do the heavy lifting are the parents and the kids. We will drink to your boy together and then when he is old enough we will make him buy the next round.

Thank you for the sacrifices you and your family make everyday, but especially during these challenging times. And thank you for brushing up on adult care...if I was sick a balloon animal would certainly put a smile on my face. Can you make a Hokie Bird?

I'm hoping the universal delays in testing that people are still experiencing will continue to improve, because one of the logjams has been the lack of necessary reagents to complete the test

FYI, There are a lot of antibody test kits headed to the US now. These are the ones that look like pregnancy tests. Does not require swabs or to send away for results. 30 million or so will land next week.

What state are you in? I'll check if we are sending any there.

Thank you so much for all that you are doing. I work in Nebraska, and the University has been in the forefront of the planning for COVID for a while due to our Biocontainment Unit and the super smart people who work here. I am definitely not an expert, but these folks established their own testing a while back...and like many of the existing tests they rely on RT-PCR and other technologies to amplify the specific gene targets within SARA CoV-2 that allow for a test result.

Glad to hear that you are involved with other testing modalities. I think things like serological testing and the recent FDA approved test from Cepheid that gives a rapid answer will be incredibly helpful for point of care testing and triage decisions on both coasts where the patient numbers are highest.

Well that's good to hear. I haven't spoken to anyone in Nebraska. Closest are discussions with Colorado which are on going.

Is your hospital directly tied into the State's purchasing office? Or do you need to do a request and wait process?

I also spoke to the Urgent Care Association recently and am trying to work out how to deliver to individual care centers that only need small quantities comparatively by combining hundreds of locations together in weekly orders. Payment structure and delivery logistics to so many individual locations is a difficult though and so far haven't been able to make it work.

I think you spelled it out perfectly in your post below...the hesitancy to accept international business is definitely having an impact on large hospital systems being able to obtain the supplies they need. As of today, our University and state labs are increasing their testing capacity and the serological test is going to be super important to figure out who are the folks who have already had the disease...have potential immunity...and therefore don't need to be tested with a RT-PCR based assay.

The other thing that was helpful today is that the visitor policy has changed to no visitors in the inpatient or outpatient setting, with exceptions for kids and pregnancy. Although it sounds terrible...it is really really smart. Keeps the public away from the hospital where cases are concentrated, and potentially protects the workers in the hospital from getting exposed to someone who might not be able to be tracked...meaning who else are they exposing.

Can you tell us more about these test kits? Is this a 'pee-on-a-stick' type test?

FernleyHokie will definitely be the expert on what his group has developed, but most serological testing involves identifying immunoglobulins in the blood. So I would assume most tests for COVID antibodies in folks who have been infected and then recovered would be a blood test.

There is immunoglobulin in your pee...but it might be at such low levels, especially after recovery from COVID that a test may not be able to reliably identify it.

Wish I could take credit for it, but I'm just a trader. connecting buyer to seller to get products to the American people.

blood instead of pee

I don't know if I can pee blood on a stick. /s

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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If you are peeing blood you actually have a bigger issue than Covid... :)

I can comfirm this. Dont fuck around if you pee blood. Thats how i found out i had stage 4 kidney cancer without any prior symptoms.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

So, I'm going to jump in here, not that I know about these tests in particular, but I can describe how these tests types of tests work generally. (I am a biomedical scientist, or at least I have a sheet a paper from UC-San Diego that says so...)

Pregnancy tests detect a hormone that pregnant women secrete in their urine. The test works by using a lab-made antibody within the pee stick to detect that hormone. When the antibody detects the hormone, a chemical reaction occurs resulting in that pink band, indicating pregnancy.

So, utilizing the same theory, you can use a nasal swab or blood extraction from a patient to detect coronavirus. The test would include a lab-made antibody would be able to detect the spike protein on the virus (this is the protein that provides that crown-like appearance). And when detection of the spike protein occurs, a chemical reaction occurs providing an indication that the biological sample is infected with coronavirus.

These types of tests are different from serological tests. A serological test determines whether the individual being tested has generated their own antibodies against coronavirus. When an individual is infected with the virus, their immune system builds up an army of antibodies to detect and kill the virus. Thus, to perform a serological test, blood is drawn from an individual and then that blood is then mixed with lab-made spike protein, and if the individual's blood draw has antibodies that are able to detect the spike protein, a chemical reaction occurs to detect this interaction. A positive result indicates that the individual has developed immunity against the coronavirus.

So, both tests have their purpose. The first pregnancy-like test determines if a person is actively infected with virus. The second serological test determines if a person has immunity to the virus.

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That was awesome...well said. I totally would have chosen you to cheat off in Medical School. Not that I did cheat in Medical School...but IF I did, it would have been off you.

I'm sure it would've been a collaborative effort. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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why did I think you were going to law school?

yeah this is a great explanation.

From the trading side of things these instant test that can determine active infection are the most in demand in every country I speak to. Factories are increasing capacity on these dramatically to try to keep up with demand.

I did go to law school after graduate school. And yes, for those wondering, I was in post-secondary school for the same amount of years as it took to complete secondary (13 years total; 4 at VT, 6 at UCSD for graduate, and 3 USC for law). And yes, that is a shit ton of school, and what I get in return is the ability to call myself a scientist lawyer. (hooray.)

Yea, you're right. The current demand is to know who is infected and who isn't. The next demand will be serological testing, as we try to restart up our lives.

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when i was funemployed after finishing my doctorate at VT, i thought about going for a JD and doing patent law. for about 15 minutes before i felt my blood pressure going back up. kudos to you

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

yea. law school wasn't fun (because i was old and ready to be done with it all), but probably the right move for me. Patent law is enjoyable though. I work with active scientists every day, helping them get patents on their innovations.

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I may have missed this somewhere along the way, but what % of people tested have shown that they are immune to the virus?

I know everyone says this is not the flu, but I'm one of those very lucky one's (so far) that has never, ever gotten any type of flu, has never taken a flu shot, and I really don't get sick from much of anything. I'm 62, and have missed maybe 5 days of work in 40 years. I'm still taking every precaution right now, because this thing scares me, but I wonder if people smarter than I have seen any kind of patterns as to who gets it vs. those who don't, who gets the deadly version of it vs. those with little or no symptoms, etc. From what I've read, no one has figured out any patterns, but this is the first I have heard about people being tested with the results indicating that they are immune to the virus.

Interesting questions and I haven't seen any data on that (and I'm obsessed with reading all the COVID19 data). But, the virus (as we understand) doesn't show preference for infection, but a preference for producing symptoms. There aren't really any hypotheses that are well regarded to explain the high number of asymptomatic cases either. The weirdest thing is the lack of severity in young children. Nearly all previous novel viruses have a "U-shaped" curve for severity (youngest and oldest affected the most). So, the lack of U-shape suggests that as we age, our body is doing something that either lessens our ability to fight the virus, or in some way worsens the virulence and symptoms of the virus, in addition to our typical immunity strength that follows the U-shape. (And on a personal note, thank god for the lack of U-shape curve. My 11-mo old niece and her parents all caught the virus and ended up with a mild cough, slight fever, and nothing more.)

Regarding immunity to the virus, the data suggests those that are infected and recovered (whether severely symptomatic or asymptomatic) are becoming robustly immune to this strain. There have been zero reports (that I've seen) of re-acquisition of COVID19. The other encouraging data is that the coronavirus strain responsible for COVID19 isn't as highly mutable as influenza (2 to 4 times less). This suggests that once a person gains immunity, that they'll stay immune to coronavirus for periods longer than seasonal influenza. So maybe, there is reason to hope, that a single infection or a single vaccination would yield life-time protection, or at least longer than 1 year like influenza. This also suggests a higher chance of eradicating coronavirus. If enough of us become immune, and the virus is unable to mutate to survive, it'll die out.

Edit: Might have spoke too soon about the reinfection: NPR article suggests reinfection may be occurring in Wuhan, but China's testing accuracy is questioned.

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Thank you for the detailed, well written answer!

Dr. Fauci seemed very confident immunization would last for a bit for those who had and recovered from the virus.

Sadly no...I may have exaggerated my abilities a bit. I'm limited to dogs, turtles, giraffes and snakes (they are super easy). After that it's shadow puppets and fart jokes...

So, some good news for a change.

The researcher behind the Imperial College report is revising his estimates/model, based on the fact that more people than thought had contracted the disease and had mild symptoms. Only time will tell if this is correct, but this is better news than most we get these days.

Still doesn't mean we shouldn't stay at home and wash our hands, for now.

UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/#ixzz6Hp1LSluH

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That would be good news. I just wish testing capacity was at what we need to get an accurate assessment of the size of this pandemic. So much of this could have been avoided if we had just started working on upgrading testing capacity 2 months earlier.

We laid of 20% of our workforce on Monday, and it's been hell ever since.

I'm lucky to be in the 80% still employed but I'm not sure how much longer we'll survive.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

Can I ask what industry you're in? We just received a 14% paycut across the board, but no layoffs as of right now.

I work for a small consulting firm that was carved out of one of the big guys, we're a 150ish person company now post-layoffs. We do sales and customer service consulting.

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In terrible news, we are #1 in the world for the most COVID-19 cases.

More than China (I need Fernleys thoughts on this).

With the delay in test results it's surely in the 100 thousands and we are days, possibly weeks from the peek.

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I only want to down vote this because it's not good news, not because I hate you.

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Yeah it's not good news. Hopefully something takes a turn for the better in the near future.

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my thoughts

The US policy of hoping warm weather will magically make it go away just didn't work out in the long run. And instead of preparing by stockpiling, nationalizing factories to produce medical supplies domestically and centralize purchasing of tests, masks and everything else the government waited until 3000 cases tested positive to even begin to think of how to respond. The problem was that it was 3000 cases from 4000 tests at that time, which meant it was too late.

And the reality of the US response is frightening. I'm trying to get medical supplies to US but US buyers are not savvy to international business. I've been told that they can only pay when goods arrive in warehouse in USA, that local law prohibits paying in cash, that products need to arrive and be verified while money sits in escrow, that it will take days or a week to issue a Purchase Order. Meanwhile every other country is paying cash upfront within 24 to 48 hours. They can't compete because they don't know how to. On the other side, there are a lot of scammers out there and because they don't know who to trust or how to trust who they get introduced to the US buyers don't want to send cash.

But for every news you see about medical supply shortages, testing taking days to weeks to get back, this is the reason. US businesses don't understand international business and that ignorance is killing other Americans.

Just replying to add this below your comment. Not to respond to what you've posted, seen, lived...

There's the old adage of Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. I've seen posts all over the board on various places...and you know what? At the end of the day, every single one's projections will be wrong. In the empirical sense, wrong. Numbers can be skewed. Numbers can be worked. Numbers can be transferred to other categories. One thing that cannot be changed is people actually dieing from this. Right now reporting is all over the place because there's not even a standard for it. Heck, within my old county on the eastern shore of MD, reporting for the hospitals varies from the private practices. This is what the information-backed decision making is up against. And it sucks.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

As I mentioned on another thread, I am skeptical that we actually have more cases than China. There's a lot of smoke suggesting China has been less than honest in this whole affair in an attempt to shift the blame away from them. I have no idea what the truth is, but I would take anything that comes from China with a scoop of salt right now.

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We're number 1! We're number 1! We're number 1!

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They're not really gonna hold Wrestlemania, are they?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think the plan is to wrestle but with no fans. That's how they've been doing shows the past few weeks.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

That kinda makes me want to watch one...must be bizarre with no fans

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I believe if you get a free trial of WWE network you can watch it. It's also over two nights.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

Probably all been recorded for weeks

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Hope everyone's staying safe out there, and if you all are primarily working from home, hopefully staying sane as well. If you're on the front lines battling the pandemic, thank you very much for your service.

Since I'm all cooped up, I figured I might as well start decorating my wfh space........

Holy shit!!! I just woke up and have 5 minutes to get to work! Oh, wait...work is 30 ft away.

Finally get to see what this working from home thing is all about.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Finally get to see what this working from home thing is all about.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

Its enjoyable for about 24-48 hours.

Then it sucks for about 10-14 days

And then you kind of get used to it.

Just remember, when you're not speaking on the conference call mute your damn phone. The guy on my team who sits next to me in the office has just not ever grasped this concept, which I could somewhat forgive in the office, I would just give him a nudge and ask him to mute, but now that we're WFH, its every damn call we're on. And we're on every damn call together.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I murder keyboards. Cannot help it. I crush keys. Have been called out twice for forgetting to mute. People really feel sorry for my keyboard.

You need less green time.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

This is perfect.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

We used to get the pleasure of listening to one guy that chews and cracks his chewing gum through every call we have with his team. Instituted a new policy where every Teams call defaults to all participants but the leader muted at the start. Makes life in general more bearable.

Also remember if you decide to go the bathroom while on a call triple check that you are on mute and if you are on a video conference definitely don't do this:

Oh man, oh man...

As some may know, I'm deaf, and had a teacher who wore a mic that broadcast wirelessly to my hearing aid as part of my hearing aids training. He would go to the bathroom and forget that I can hear what's he doing - whether it's plunking the water and flushing - and I would alert my classmates when he's coming. Thinking about it is bringing a fond smile to my face.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Have you heard the Greg Davies story? you in particular will enjoy it

(I'm assuming you can listen via your hearing aid)

Yikes.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

I think I'd be perfectly fine working from home full time if my co-workers weren't such unruly assholes. Trying to run a daycare/preschool while working is impossible. Seriously, god bless anyone that works at a daycare and spends their entire day with toddlers....

Where's the beef?

I had an office assistant walk through my office today with no pants. Multiple times.

Highly unprofessional.

That is my wife and yes her center is still open.

Oh not muting on a call is the worst. I've been on calls and had to hear dogs barking, kids crying, etc. My wife was on a conference call one time and actually heard someone peeing and then flush the toilet.

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

Joe!!!

Thanks for letting us have this discussion even though it goes off the rails from time to time.

Is it basketball season yet?

Faaaaaak

Lead singer of Rammstein is in ICU over CV-19

Sounds like he's getting better, which is good.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Till is too powerful to be killed by this.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

The antidote for COVID 19 lies somewhere amongst Jack Nicholson and Mick Jagger

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Found this today - a dashboard that uses cell phone data to measure social distancing. Has data by state and county:

Social Distancing Scorecard

Some places have some work to do.

Shenandoah Valley of VA not taking the precautions seriously enough yet. Observations match the data. This is good use of technology and a gentle reminder that our phones are tracking devices.

Edit: I wonder if the constant flow of commerce down I-81 and heave agriculture industry would limit how few miles can be reduced in that footprint.

"I am probably too rational to be here"

Dare Co. with an A

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Seems like a really dumb way to measure social distancing.

I drive a long way to work but only have contact with about 3 people daily.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Yeah, it kind of screws those people that are driving around alot. A farmer or rancher riding a truck/tractor alone while working all day is not spreading anything.

Yeah, if you look at Wyoming, they get an F, but I can guarantee you they are in more isolation than me!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I also wonder about some of the method. For instance, if you commute through multiple counties, which county gets credit for that distance?

Also, are they taking multiple devices into account? I have a work phone and a personal phone. If you track both of them, it looks like two people travelling the exact same path everyday.

Blacksburg has its first case of the virus per an email my wife received.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

A student who traveled internationally who lives off campus returned from spring break.

This is why all of us here locally knew the whole "if you travel, please do not return" thing wouldn't work...as I drive by students congregating all over town...

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Same. My employer is close to Virginia Tech campus and I have seen a handful students jogging or walking their dogs. Not seeing heavy student population as usual but I have been working from home since Wednesday.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

The fish mongers were in my parking lot yesterday. People were lined up eight feet apart from on another. Go across the street to Kroger and people are still within inches of each other, at times.
It's a weird mix in town. I see groups out running together. Then I see people doing their best to separate.

Effective 5pm tomorrow, Dare County will be under a "Stay Home, Stay Healthy" declaration, to limit movements outside of your home....but in all honesty, it seems pointless. The list of "essential businesses" is damn near everything.

https://www.darenc.com/home/showdocument?id=6272

EDIT:

And effective Monday afternoon, statewide stay at home order for NC
https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20200327/gov-roy-cooper-issues-stay-at-...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What I'll be interested to see down the road is how many lives were created by the pandemic.

We already know that March is a popular time for snip-snip procedures. There are entire ad campaigns built around the idea that you get the procedure done and then sit around watching basketball while you recover.

But then the tournament got cancelled. Some guys probably didn't bother to schedule a procedure at that point. And then everyone was told to stay at home. Even the ones that got scheduled likely got cancelled, either by the guys who decided to wait until next year so they can actually watch basketball while recovering, or by the doctors who needed to use their skills elsewhere.

There's a baby boom coming in December.

I don't have kids but saw a meme on facebook. "If there is a baby boom in 9 months, it will be all first borns"

Visualization of Potential Covid-19 Spread from Real Cell Network Data
Look at this link. I saw this yesterday. (Shaking head about many college students these days).
Then yesterday on my way home from work at the CRC (im the only one in our office here in Blacksburg, so its perfect, and building is deserted), i see a car w writing on the back window:
"Spring Break
VT --> FL
VENMO --> VT@SB"
The car was a 2018 Volvo w 2 female students in it. Farking idiots! And asking for money from anyone while driving an almost new car. Really mind numbing.

I... am... speechless...to the stupidity.

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