Coronavirus Discussion Thread #2 (or 3 or 4, depending on when you started counting)

Please keep this topic limited to discussions regarding:
- Coronavirus closures and cancellations
- Current developments regarding the spread of COVID-19 and impact on this and other nations
- Tips and tricks for keeping your sanity while riding out the pandemic
- Impacts to you and your family
- Other items of such a sundry nature

What not to discuss:
- Politics. Policy effects on the spread of coronavirus are difficult to discuss without crossing the line into politics. Personally, I think policy impacts are okay, but please leave the political aspects (how policy is made, etc.) out of it.
- Anything against the CGs. (Yes, I know politics is against the CGs, but since the other thread went there, I wanted to put it out there specifically.)
- Hoarding tips and tricks. Just don't go there.

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Student-athletes can't do charitable GoFundMe fundraisers?

She's definitely qualified to hold a fundraiser.

Oh, wait, she's an NCAA athlete, too.

Still qualified.

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What a hair couple...lustrous

As if we need another proof that the NCAA are a bunch of doofus while pocketing millions.

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Well...technically this time it wasn't the NCAA that shut it down. It looks like Clemson told them to take it down because they didn't want to run afoul of the NCAA's stupid rules.

Still, if the NCAA wasn't a bunch of asshats in the first place, this wouldn't have been an issue, and shouldn't have been.

This seems silly, but also why do we need Trevor Laurence doing this? I get that he wants to help, but presumably there are people who are better positioned already. If you're trying to activate the Clemson donation base, do it through whatever their wildly successful Hokie Club analog is called. There are already lots of sports folks trying to help. It's silly that this guy can't, but the outrage over this seems overblown?

I hear ya, but a few weeks ago, Louisiana had a presser, with Coach O about the virus...not the governor. Because people will listen to Coach O.........

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Saban did the same and suddenly city governments in Bama are taking precautions.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Gotta echo VTNerf. A lot of these coaches/players have a louder voice and more clout among fans than administrators or local/state politicians. In most cases, that's probably not a good thing, but it's reality.

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Interesting. A common-sense decision by the NCAA.

Would the NCAA have said the same if it were Hendon Hooker?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

If it gets out of hand again, everyone can find another place to discuss Covid-19. It's a pain in the ass to moderate, and it's making that job more difficult for folks.

Concur. That's why I said what I said up top. Not sure if that meets exactly what you're okay with, feel free to edit to add verboten topics.

We want to be able to talk about this here, and we should be able to without violating CGs.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Ugh. Weyerbacher used to have a great beer called verboten back in the day and I miss it so much

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

That's why I am just a nominee and not a moderator.

Given the chance to throw poo at Liberty "University", its founder, or his spawn...just call me a gorilla with a healthy diet and a hell of an arm. It's a fecal flinging reflex. I know it's not constructive or within CG, but it's who I am.

I didn't mean to cause no harm. I just see the flames and the ones who started them and poo starts flying.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

If poo flinging at Liberty U is wrong, I don't want to be right

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Alum, we may not agree on everything, but we'll always have this.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

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โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

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I HEARD Governor Northam is considering a ban on gathering of 10 or more Corona threads anyway. That should help.

Leonard. Duh.

My employer has informed everyone that because our goods and services are essential for national defense, we are exempted from mandatory "stay-at-home" orders. The floor I work on where there are mixture of engineers, buyers, and technical writers have mostly stayed at home. I have elected to work Monday and today, but will be working from home the rest of the week. Some possible modifications, in order to follow social distancing recommendations, includes adding 2nd and 3rd shifts. Personally, I think that's a great idea because it would a) keep the business going, and b) reduce the amount of people working the production floor.

I am sure that my employer would rather pay high electricity bills than to deal with lost/missed opportunity to meet on-time-shipments due to high absenteeism because of the virus.

I just feel horrible for folks who lost their jobs working in restaurants and hotels since most college students earn their living on tips in restaurants and hotels employs people during peak seasons. My daughter has been furloughed, I guess, from HomeGoods since they decided to close store and was given 2 weeks pay. My wife provides service for the deaf and hard of hearings and she has already lost some jobs due to cancellation.

It's an all-around CF.

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The place I work just released a new shift schedule to minimize interactions with multiple crews. (We man 24 hrs, but produce pharmaceuticals; otherwise we'd be shut down by now).

Rather than normal 2 or 3 (12 hr) day or night shifts, we're looking at 7 consecutive days or nights. (AKA "Port & Starboards". Luckily, there's 7 days off in between each rotation).

Looks like we went to the same high school! I was final class of last century.

Looks like we went to the same high school!

Pulaski County?

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Cougar Pride!

I'm Class of 2000. You?

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Oh dang. Class of 09 here fellas.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Nope. I made a bad assumption there!

I have been getting my takeout lunches from the small mom and pop places trying to stay alive with the pick up market.

I was surprised to see food trucks making their rounds at my employer's parking lot, but my employer have been strongly encouraging people to maintain social distance and cleaning obsessively.

I have been eating my breakfast and lunch at my cubicle. In the past, I would venture downstairs to the cafeteria but since the social distancing came in force, I simply decided to stay put in my cubicle, and always eat something from home.

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I'm in the same boat - we have a manufacturing facility in PA that got exempted from their governor's orders that preceded VA's. We knew the same was going to happen here.

We've rolled out similar teleworking plans to our "overhead" staff and engineering teams where applicable, and have supported some off-shift work. My specific team is in a bit of a bind because we are all SW engineers that share integration and testing responsibilities inside a closed lab - so it's been a CF since everyone doesn't want to come in every day, but then that delays testing. Doesn't help that we have 3 temps that require a lot of supervision/feedback because they're still relatively new to the program.

Anybody in the DoD or defense contracting heard anything about travel restrictions? We have a scheduled trip to a customer in Syracuse in two weeks for a contractually-required software delivery that includes two days of testing and demos. As far as I know, we've been deemed "mission critical" for travel approval but obviously flying + New York state is a very risky proposition at the moment. Driving might be an alternative option for our team...

Is your customer on the essential exempted list in New York? Everything else is on lockdown - and its actually being taken seriously upstate. I do work in an essential business (grocery) and my drive to work has about 5% of the traffic it normally does. Many businesses have outright closed right now.

DoD work - so definitely exempted. Thankfully, the powers that be weighed the pros and cons and cancelled the trip yesterday. It's definitely a major setback for the project cycle to not be able to test on site, but not as much as if a significant chunk of our team gets sidelined for a quarantine.

Have your team tried to use Microsoft's Teams? Right now, my employer are using Skype Business Meeting, but I think we are going to switch over to Teams.

As for travel restrictions, my general advice is don't. The wife and I had planned to travel this weekend to Colifax to visit our sister, and decided to cancel out of abundance of cautions. Plus our niece came down with a cold. We had also bought Amtrak tickets to go to Washington, D.C. last month and we are going to have to eat the cost since it is nonrefundable. The trip to D.C. was supposed to be in a few weeks.

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Can vouch for Teams. We use it as part of normal ops, which made for a seamless transition to working from home.

We've been dabbling in Teams for a year now. Never let a crisis go to waste. My company has been using antiquated systems including email overload forever and this may he the conduit to modernization.

A coworker has been trying to get Teams to be implemented because it's supposed to allow faster collaborations, especially when we tend to work in team-based manufacturing environment anyway.

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Normally I love Teams, but with people using it so much more these past few weeks, the call and video quality has gone way down. I had issues with it all day today and so did my colleagues around the country.

Check on the non-refundable. I got an email from Amtrak saying they would be making everything refundable.

Awesome! I'll tell my wife and she will be relieved.

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Our systems are classified - so anything that touches the network is a no-go. It's pretty much butts in seats and email/phone calls if you need remote support.

I just looked through the last thread I'm very sorry to say I missed the fun!

My work just extended WFH until April 10. I'm going to look like a caveman by the time I eventually get back to the office.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

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Which one?

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence changed my life when I first heard it. I was unlike anything else I had listened to.

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Scenes from a Memory will always be my favorite

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go with six degrees of inner turbulence like DCIMSA mentioned above. you won't regret it

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I do like the glass prison so i might have too

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I haven't ventured much past Greatest Hit (and 21 other pretty cool songs), but I took a flyer on SDoIT during raid last night. Thanks for the rec. Great stuff.

I need to listen to more of their full albums.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Falling into infinity is a really good album๐Ÿ˜ƒ i think its really underrated

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If you like Dream Theater give a listen to Porcupine Tree. Another great prog rock band. Highly Suggest the "Arriving Somewhere but not Here" Album. It is live and badass. Also, there is a DVD of this performance which is kickass. I have the DVDs but I'm sure with all the streaming available these days you could find it somewhere out there.

Also Haken, The Contortionist, anything by Devin Townsend

My work relies on the real estate market. Right now it's been about the same as it was over winter instead of the speed-of-light pace we're used to this time of year. I hope it continues but everything's unknown.

Wife's a therapist and is out 2 weeks until they can get teletherapy going. Thank the gods our daycare is still open so we have been able to both work as long as we have.

Click here to destroy wall.

Market is still nuts in Blacksburg. I put my condo on the market last Thursday and I got the first offer on Saturday.

Honestly, I'm surprised it took more than 24 hours.

Click here to destroy wall.

It was only 1 bath and on the south side of Town. Piedmont. Also rented fully until June of next year.

My wife just got her first direct patient with a positive test. Looks like I'm working from home for a few weeks....

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

STICK IT IN HAS RETURNED!!!

So like I said in the last thread, I was tested last Wednesday for COVID19 because I wasn't feeling great, had some tightness in my chest, and had gotten back from Europe just a few days before the travel ban.

Tomorrow will be one week from when I was tested and I STILL don't have my results. They first told me 3-5 days, now its 5-7, and honestly I'm not too optimistic about getting them tomorrow. It's frustrating because I had to sign a form saying "I won't go outside, I'll isolate/quarantine until I'm cleared." Even though I've felt much better in the last few days, I'm completely isolating just in case, but getting things like groceries has been more difficult than it needs to be.

Just kinda wanted to share my experience with the ordeal and show how bogged down testing has been.

#38-0

Hope it is negative.

Not to scare you, but don't let your guard down. I have seen reports that a lot of cases reported feeling bad for a few days, then a general improvement for a couple days, and that's when it either clears up, or shit goes down hill. Can't find the article where I saw that now though

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We are being furloughed for 2 weeks this spring

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I don't know why I quickly read the thread title as this:

CORONAVIRUS DISCUSSION THREAD #2 (OR 3 OR 4, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU STARTED COUGHING)

In all honesty, stay safe FAM ๐Ÿบ

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Update from Japan: As you all probably already know, the summer Olympics have been postponed to a date no later than next summer. Students are back in school after taking the last few weeks off. I teach English at a major shopping mall, and people seem to be going about their days as usual. I play basketball every Wednesday night with some locals at a junior high school gym and we're back at it this evening after taking a break since the schools have been closed. We'll see if things change once the virus starts to have a bigger impact on our island which I think is inevitable. As of now, 6 confirmed cases on an island of just under 1.4 million.

As long as you get to the gratuitous beach episode of whatever anime you are living in, you'll be fine!

My 2020 Season/Covid19 Challenge: only comment with Marvel memes.

My 2019 Season Challenge: only comment with Star Wars memes. (completed as of Nov. 29)

El. Psy. Kongroo.

English at a major shopping mall,

Wait, thats a thing?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Not like major Japanese cities have room for many strip malls.

it's almost like learning math in an emporium within a strip mall...

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I mean there's a community college at the mall in Christiansburg...

New River Community College in point of fact.

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And it was a great use of the movie theater location after they built the stadium seating Regal adjacent to the mall.

I taught a night class there for a year - so I hesitate on your the use of "great" due to the fact that I had to work really hard to keep everyone engaged, and especially during student presentations.

I will say that it was pretty cool to have a giant screen behind you while you lectured though.

It's pretty standard throughout Asia. English teaching is big business and shopping malls are where families go on the weekend. Location, location, location

3 People in my family are under the assumption that they have/had COVID-19.

My aunt and uncle went to conference in New Orleans and my uncle hasn't felt right since then. This is dating back to around the Super Bowl.

My cousin apparently had it, and my aunt had symptoms for 2 weeks, but was just sick with flu like symptoms.

My uncle just went to the hospital on Sunday due to shortness of breath. He doesn't have pneumonia yet, but he has the dry cough.

My cousin had low grade fever, but no other symptoms.

They are putting my uncle in self quarantine and will not have the results of his tests for 5 to 7 days.

This is all in Miami. My uncle is in his early 60s and had dinner with Grandparents in their 90s around 2 weeks ago. I'm hoping they are in the clear.

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will not have the results of his tests for 5 to 7 days.

I wouldn't take that to mean much. My roommate was told 24-72 hours when he got the test. After the 3rd day he called and they said it will be 5 days after he got the test. It's been a week and 2 days now and we still don't have the results. He's felt completely fine, since 2 days after the test and never developed a fever. At this point its a real annoyance because you're sitting in limbo trying not to go anywhere but we're quickly running out of things.

To be frank unless they can speed up testing its really not doing people any good that have mild to no symptoms.

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lol am I your roommate?!? Seems like that has been the common experience. At some point, I'm just going to have to disinfect myself and not speak or touch my face while in public. Homie needs some laundry detergent

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Another person I know took the test 4 days after him and just got her (negative) result back. He's now livid. She's in the medical field so they may have fast tracked her but 4 days difference is a little ridiculous. Now onto a week an a half

(add if applicable) /s

It just depends on who is doing the testing. Many commercial labs are getting behind with the volume. 2 weeks ago the commercial lab doing them in my area took 5 days, now it is over a week. Some labs have developed a rapid test and if those can get approved then things may get better.

I mean I don't know how it works but their samples were taken at the same facility. I guess they could have changed labs they were sending to in that time.

Who knows its the same testing facility that somehow had 70 workers exposed

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This is dating back to around the Super Bowl.

The implications of this is staggering. How far has it spread with low symptoms since then?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

They said that he hasn't felt right for a while now. He went to the doctors a few times, and they gave him some antibiotics at first, and it didn't do anything.

It all makes sense now if he indeed has COVID-19 as it can last a long time and its hard to get over. I'm hoping this is the worst it will get for him as it peaks and then apparently starts to get better. I'm hoping the no pneumonia and just a bad infection is as far as it goes.

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Good news, his test came back negative!

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So Florida banned almost all medical procedures but emergency and "medically required". So my wife was just notified all physicians will take a 60 percent pay cut and staff will work "when needed". They also are running out of supplies needed to safely do the emergency cases they have. Yet Florida refuses to truly hold accountable people, local government and businesses who are not helping stop the spread and flatten the curve. My county is keeping its beaches open because of "economic impact", I called about a CrossFit gym that was still holding classes and the county refused to send someone out to close them down, our planned community let a wedding reception of over 150 people occur Saturday.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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There are many times that I lament living in NY. I am not a big fan of our governor. But in this case, he has things right, shut everything down and is expediting testing. Other governors should pay attention to NY, or they will probably regret it.

People should definitely be paying attention to NY. Over 5% of the cases world wide are in NY.

Virginia has done the same:

To address the need for more healthcare providers at facilities across the state, Virginia is taking steps to re-work its licensing procedures and allow medical students to help with patients, Northam said.

Healthcare professionals are also encouraged to volunteer their experience and expertise through the Virginia Medical Reserve Corps. Already about 1,500 VAMRC volunteers have offered to help, Northam said.

The state is working to secure more personal protective equipment (PPE) for those health care providers.

This includes a new order directing all hospitals to stop performing elective surgeries or procedures to help conserve supplies like bed space and equipment like ventilators and PPE. Source

I wouldn't be surprised if Virginia follow suit and order a state-wide curfew and stay-at-home order.

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My wife was ordered to close her dental office until at least 24 April due to a statewide ban on non-lifethreatening or pain reducing type procedures.

We are prepared and everything is good, they just don't want us using medical supplies. But we have to pay our staff fully and pay all the bills.
I'm not sure we can do that past that point. We may just have to close our doors.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

This isn't a "didn't-read-the-room" comment...it's because of his profession.

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Man, that sucks! I mean, what if somebody has toothache and they can't go to your wife? What's she supposed to do? I mean, damn it, our mouth is one of the first line of defenses against disease.

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If it's truly pain then she can open the office just for that patient and have had to do so twice but each one is a cost loss.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Our secretary spent a weekend in Atlantic City a few weeks ago. Came back, worked in the office for over a week, then started feeling bad. Went to the ER and they gave her the run around about the test. Wanted to send her on her way with no test, until she mentioned AC. It's been 8 days....and no results. We are in lower Delaware. This is the reason why numbers are light....they aren't testing, and aren't getting results back. We've kinda self-quarantined ourselves the best we can, but it's crazy waiting to see if you actually worked beside someone for 10 days..........

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I've heard that you can expect cases in Delaware to jump significantly because the testing should start coming in soon. Kent County's #s were singled out as being artificially low because almost none of the test results were available as of yesterday but I assume that the same is true for Sussex.

Thankfully, a lot of the non-residents have gone home with the weather colder and wetter and the beaches closed

There have been a few that came down St Pats weekend, partied in OC, went home, and are now sick. No wonder Hogan is jacked up over what happened. Those cases won't show for the beach, but who knows how it spread or who it spread to (and where they went).

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I live in Philly and the amount of stupidity around the virus on St. Patricks day weekend was mind numbing. I saw a bus of middle-aged people in green going somewhere.

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the OC scene on St Patty's was stupid. All ages of people were obviously not taking this seriously

Well.... yeah

As I posted yesterday, the fact is, this disease was first detected in China back on November 17th. The US closed its international border with China on February 1st. Two and a half months passed between when it was detected and when we acted to where it could have and probably did make its way over here and begin spreading undetected, misdiagnosed as the common flu. And even then, it still took us a month and a half to begin implementing lockdown and quarantine measures stateside after we closed the border to China. So, this disease had 4 months to make its way over to the US and begin spreading literally uncontrolled before we reacted.

What's most frustrating right now is just how many roadblocks are in the way of getting tested for CV-19. In order to be tested right now, you have to be able to prove that either you were in a region impacted by this during the time that the US says the disease was present, or you have direct interaction with someone who has already tested positive. When you look at the timeline, its incredibly likely that community transmission of this disease has been going on here in the US since the first few weeks of the year. And, in the event you are lucky enough to get your number called to be tested, you're still going to have to wait until a test is available. In places like Mecklenburg County, NC (where Charlotte is located) up until at least the last couple days, they were limiting the number of tests to 4 per day. For the county.

So we really have no idea how far this has spread and how rampant it is. And this is why its SO dangerous that we're already seeing politicians openly talk about lifting quarantines to get the country back up and running. We don't know how bad it already is, and that needs to be the base line before we even begin to think about opening everything up.

In fact, a lot of policies that have been going on through this definitely seem to be created for the sole purpose of suppressing the number of people who are infected. And when you have the government making decisions based on the numbers of cases and the rates of spread, its REALLY dangerous to have policies out there that, even inadvertently, exist to suppress those same numbers.

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You keep noting the disease was first diagnosed in November and we did nothing until late January/early February. The article you cite even admits that Drs in China didn't note mass cases in Wuhan and realize what was going on until late December, which coincides with when they first alerted the WHO in January. It's really disingenuous to pretend that the US knew about this and how bad it was becoming in early November. China may have known earlier than disclosed, but that's it.

Even if you go by the public announcement of CV-19 in China in December, we saw the rapid exponential spread of it in China beginning in late December, and still waited around a month to react and close our border. And we still waited two and a half months to start implementing procedures to limit spread (including, and most concerning, producing and administering tests) within the US.

And, yes... China knew about this and knew about this right away. And unfortunately for all of us on this planet, ordered all testing to stop and all research into it destroyed in late December in order to suppress its existence.

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Any rant you go on about what should have been done is pointless. Let's focus on what is being done. Also, if the virus was here at the first of the year, and it wasn't bad enough to absolutely know it was here, then it doesn't matter.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

yes, no use rehashing everything that derailed the other thread.

i'll be keeping an eye

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Any rant you go on about what should have been done is pointless.

I disagree

when you're talking about things like 'when should we start relaxing the lockdown/quarantine measures' that seems to have growing support, it is vitally important to recognize and acknowledge what we don't know so that we can make the appropriate decisions. We are pathetically behind the curve on our own insight into how bad this already is in the US. It is not even remotely the time to begin having the conversation on when we open things back up. Right now, we still need to get a handle on the exact situation we have right now, because we completely botched our 2+ month window to be proactive.

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It's pointless because the rant today likely won't be any different than it was when you ranted it yesterday.

At this point, we have to do the best we can moving forward and not just monday morning quarterback the situation on the internet. yes, we're woefully underprepared. consistently pointing that out doesn't do much to fix anything.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

The governor of Mississippi just made an executive order that forbids stay at home lockdown or quarantine measures within his state.

This is the exact kind of behavior I was worried about, and an action that will impact this whole country. This disease is going to be allowed to spread uncontrolled within their borders and it will impact the surrounding states and eventually the whole country bases on intrastate trade. This is stupidly dangerous

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Dear governor:

El. Psy. Kongroo.

These are the kinds of well thought out comments that are allowed here that really chap my ass.

Man if gifs really chap your ass you must have a tough time on this website most days.

But that being said, ignoring the advice of almost every medical professional in the entire world does seem dumb when it comes to a medical crisis.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

Did you read his comment at all before making the snarky comeback?

"The governor of Mississippi just made an executive order that forbids stay at home lockdown or quarantine measures within his state.

This is the exact kind of behavior I was worried about,"

You are literally agreeing with him.

Yes. My gif was not directed to alum, but the governor of Mississippi. Sorry, should have made that more clear.

El. Psy. Kongroo.

That changes everything. Leg

I realize my response to you was too snarky as well. Leg for you too. My apologies!

El. Psy. Kongroo.

perhaps consider adding that to the gif post

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

For the record, I never thought it was directed at me.

And yes, I agree with the gif. And yes, I also think this entire decision is based on a whole heck of a lot of disinformation that is out there, stemming directly from how this has been politicized from the start.

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

This seems a bit biased IMO. Negativity and positivity should both be allowed in any discussions as long as it is civil. To tell Alum that he can't have his viewpoint because it may be different than others seems wrong. To be positive during these times is a great thing but, bringing up negatives on a discussion forum about this very thing should be part of it.

He can have a viewpoint. That's fine. Monday morning quarterbacking is always going to happen with the benefit of hindsight, regardless of if it's a football game or a global pandemic. When the discussion starts off with "like i said yesterday" in direct reference to another thread that went off the rails, it's generally not going to go anywhere useful.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't get that people think that this is a rant about what got us to this place. What I hear is that we are in a place where we don't really know yet how widespread this can become because of all of the weeks of being in the dark for WHATEVER reason.

Talk of reopening the economy has me thinking of the mayor in Jaws. Remember this?
https://youtu.be/fGoekw7e-3U

Now, when I hear business people and certain government types talk about "keeping the beaches open," I hear the Da Dum Da Dum music playing in the background.

We will get through this, but not anytime soon if we don't deal with the shark first.

This is extremely misleading. Buckle up, because I'm a gonna speak the damn truth...

China does a lot of disdainful things and they certainly have A LOT of blame here but a few things I would like to point out that these articles are not reporting, overestimating and/or don't understand. First and foremost it's relying on a single person's account who is clearly not part of the Central government.

Full disclosure, my wife's father's family are from Wuhan and most live there. None of them have died from the virus. All were on lock down. Two worked in hospitals in administration. Also I have a personal friend working in China's version of the CDC. So with some modicum of authority here is what I know.

The order to "stop and destroy" was indeed made but it did not include "all evidence". To my understanding that simply is not true. The local city and provincial government bungled the early response to this beyond belief and the response, minor as it was in those early days, was scattered, being run independently by labs whose results were not being coordinated. The "stop and destroy" order was made to centralize the data stream and control the information the public was aware of. All non-participating labs were ordered to completely stop efforts and destroy all samples and data because the data was unreliable and the samples were dangerous. This source the article uses who was never told were to send data could simply have been determined unnecessary to where they wanted information to come from.

Having lived here so long these are what I understand to be the reasoning for any order that affects the greater population:

1) Information Control. I am certain that the Central Government choose to take time to assess rather than act to give them time to create a control on the information, as they do daily in all things. Because they need...
2) Crowd Control. This virus spread far more rapidly than anyone expected. It still is. So far every country worldwide has been woefully unprepared and underestimating this virus. China was certainly the first of them and those weeks in January between controlling the information and shutting the City down proved just how dangerous information in China can be. Once the general public in Wuhan was aware, mostly through social media, they scattered. They say 5 million Chinese "escaped" around the country and world during that time spreading this thing to all ends of the Earth, which means the actual number was more than that. Maybe even double that. Even at 5 million that's more than the entire city of Los Angeles disappearing in 2 to 3 weeks.

Now consider the alternative. If the information hadn't been controlled and centralized then social media would have upped the timeline even more for the general public to become knowledgeable of threat level. Then how many do you think would have escaped? Not just from Wuhan but from Hubei province and China in general. The government was still trying to get a grip on what was going on and how to control the outbreak, the information and the people. And China can move quick. Hospitals in ten days quick. And yet the general public were able to find out about what was going on and escape before China could understand how bad the situation really was, largely due to sheer incompetence and arrogance at the local and provincial government level.

China has a lot of fault here. Their reluctance to let in foreign medical specialists for so long and not being transparent with the WHO for example. Hell, the disgusting hygienic control or lack thereof that allow these wet markets to operate as they do in the first place. Same with the wild animal trade. Not to mention the early incompetence of the local government and now spreading conspiracy theories to divert blame. A lot of fault there.

But when there is a Billion under-to-uneducated people the only way to control them is by controlling what they know. Especially when so many of them now have disposable incomes on an industrialized economic scale to be able to travel so quickly and easily around the globe.

It's a shit way to look at it but there it is. That's the truth. I don't personally like it. I fucking hate the great firewall, but I've also seen seemingly innocuous information truly blow people's mind here. And access to information nearly cause some seriously bad shit. IMO, that's exactly what happened in this case.

My thoughts on these matter are as follow:

* The disease and the containment control will be subjected to academic studies for decades. There are plenty of lesson to learn and to prepare for the next big pandemic, assuming we all survive this.

* It doesn't matter what parties one affiliate with, it became obvious from the get-go the virus became a political football rather than an opportunity to unite everyone. An excellent piece in Foreign Policy talked about how the virus provided a perfect platform for nationalists to push for a break from globalization and even I had to agree with some of the points raised by the article.

* Speaking of academic studies, I expect there to be more studies on supply chain and how to better manage it in the event another pandemic follows: whether its raw metal to foods, supply chain is severely being hampered by government's decision to order stay at home. I anticipate we will see a greater push toward automation which will have great impact on poverty in the future.

* government policies will undergo lot of changes. They cannot be contend to safeguard the economy against act of terrorism. Now they have to think about virus pandemic. Academics will influence public policies in the future.

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King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I saw a guy at CVS yesterday wearing this... He also probably has a fortress made of toilet paper and hand sanitizer.

Leonard. Duh.

I imagine that's not all he has at home

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

As well as....

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Nowadays, every time somebody says, "They said", or "I heard", I want to jam a roll of toilet paper down their throat.

I just want to respond to this comment from the other thread. It's been a huge pet peeve of mine how many people close to me are guilty of this in real life. Oh you heard from your cousin Jim-Bob that he heard from his neighbor that the lockdown will go for another 6-8 weeks? Unless Jim-Bob owns a fucking time machine or has confirmed prescience abilities I don't consider his input particularly concrete. I don't understand how people can prattle off obvious guesswork as actual factual information. No one fully knows what's going to happen, not even the experts.

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I always take those with a huge grain of salt, but over the weekend I had a friend who has family in DoD and FEMA tell me that they had said independently of one another that POTUS was shutting shit down Monday (as in 2 days ago). My thoughts were, "Huh. Independent sources mean it may have some legs." I then mention it to my cousin who says his sister-in-law heard the same from friends in DHS and National Guard. After that, I tell a different friend who lives in NOVA and knows a smorgasbord of acronym agency workers who ALSO said the same. At this point, thinking there's too much smoke to be absolutely no fire, I shared with a few TKPers privately.

In short, sorry Lancer, Enginerd, Flippin, and DCIMSA.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

I think your anecdote speaks to another part of the problem. As with most VT grads, I know people, or know people who know people, who work in various capacities for the federal government. It seems to give people a false sense of being "in the know" when in reality our own government is all over the place on this.

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Only the last friend was a VT grad. But point taken.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

I just mean because we went to a Virginia school we have an inordinate number of connections to DC and the federal government.

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I know what you meant. That's why I said "point taken." I was simply saying only one person in my anecdote has VT ties. The other two have many different ties that have nothing to do with going to a VA school.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

The scariest part of the "I have a friend whose uncle in-law knows this guy" phenomenon is that it has made the jump from water cooler convo to text messaging, and it's just natural inclination to believe stuff you read.

My son got a text from his GF's dad on the national quarantine. Somebody at Leonard Inc. got the almost exact same text except that you substitute NC for PA as far as which national guard is being called out for the martial law roundup.

My son's GF's dad is normally pretty sane, but that sent him overboard to the hoard squad.

Leonard. Duh.

I feel like the other thing to keep in mind with nonsense like this is what that would actually mean. What powers does the president have to actually "shut shit down?" The answer is not that many. The federal government as a whole has a lot of power to disperse money, and I guess some related influences based on that ("Keep folks in quarantine or FEMA isn't coming to your state, Governor X"). But they can't declare businesses closed, they can't order people to stay in their houses. The CDC has some quarantine/isolating sickness powers, but they're mostly confined to ports of entry, and blocking spread across state lines.

You say that as if they haven't had the power indirectly. However in the past they have tied federal funding to complying to mandates. They have in the past said do X or you don't get Y, instead of just do X.

I mean, yeah. I say that explicitly in the post?

My point is just that we should actually think through the words that we're saying, and consider what they actually mean, and what they would mean out in the world. "The government is going to shut everything down" sounds dramatic, but means very little. "In this state, every business that isn't a grocery store is going to be shut down for two weeks, and that will be reevaluated in a week and possibly extended" sounds way less dramatic, but has actual information in it. We should try and stick to the second one. Especially when there isn't a clear mechanism for the first one to happen.

1st positive test just reported in Dare County NC.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Positive test reported in King George County, VA.

Public Notice

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Got some interesting news yesterday from my father in law. The Campsites for RV's etc in VA and NC are filling up rapidly with people from NY and NJ. The question is are they bringing it with them or fleeing ahead of time?

Unless they left in early February, I think we can safely assume it's the former.

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Most definitely bringing it with them

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Sorry for the size, but this mayor from Kentucky is being real with his town.

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Edit: Removed my comment as it was written with the intention of humor and only caused agony. My apologies.

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This kind of real talk about CV-19 is literally the last thing I would expect out of that man

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

And here it starts again.

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

stop it

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My apologies. I intended for my comment about Trump to be humorous and it didn't come out right.

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Do you really not give a fuck about what Joe told us (again) about keeping politics out of it at the start of this thread? Cause i do, and i dont want this site to go away, and i dont give a fuck how many legs you have so if you cant do it, just go find somewhere else to be right now.

Edit...just to clarify... My statement was meant to be directed at more than just one person.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

We get it Alum, you're a socialist... no one gives a fuck. Not the place to assert a political position regardless of what it is. Not sure why the king of up votes can't grasp this?

Beat GT

Feel better? You've brought nothing productive to the conversation and you've only elevated the discourse.

when you get so mad at someone else toeing the line that you cross one of them yourself.

It's pretty clear that we can't handle the nuance required to have a civil discourse regarding this.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You really need to step away for a while.

(Replace DOG with MAYOR.)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Best. Mayor. Ever.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Thanks so much to everyone for this thread. It is so great to see people taking the non-pharmacological interventions of social distancing so seriously, but it is also amazing to see folks finding humor in an incredibly difficult situation. Although the age range of people I take care of is well under those who seem to be most impacted by the disease, we are still feeling the impact. We just moved our kids to the third location in the hospital over the last two weeks to make room for more adult patients in specific locations that have the isolation they need...not only the ones now, but the ones that are expected to come. While we haven't experienced the patient volumes that both coasts are dealing with, there is tons of prep going on to figure out how we can expand teams to take care of adult patients (I'm hoping they enjoy balloon animals and shadow puppets, those have always been my go to icebreakers when I meet a new family).

I'm hoping the universal delays in testing that people are still experiencing will continue to improve, because one of the logjams has been the lack of necessary reagents to complete the test...you can stick a swab in anyone's nose but the bandwidth and chemicals to run the sample has been an issue that is getting better.

This is why we need these threads on TKP. So let's help Joe to keep them here.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Thank you!!!!!! For doing what you do. Without ped onc's like yourself, I would have one less son in this world.
Stay strong. Keep making balloon animals. And whatever else is required. And if by chance we ever meet, you'll get a hearty hand shake, big hug, and a tall glass of whatever you are drinking.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
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Thanks so much. Sucks that you had to meet us but glad we are in your rear view mirror. I'm just a piece of a big team...the people who do the heavy lifting are the parents and the kids. We will drink to your boy together and then when he is old enough we will make him buy the next round.

Thank you for the sacrifices you and your family make everyday, but especially during these challenging times. And thank you for brushing up on adult care...if I was sick a balloon animal would certainly put a smile on my face. Can you make a Hokie Bird?

I'm hoping the universal delays in testing that people are still experiencing will continue to improve, because one of the logjams has been the lack of necessary reagents to complete the test

FYI, There are a lot of antibody test kits headed to the US now. These are the ones that look like pregnancy tests. Does not require swabs or to send away for results. 30 million or so will land next week.

What state are you in? I'll check if we are sending any there.

Thank you so much for all that you are doing. I work in Nebraska, and the University has been in the forefront of the planning for COVID for a while due to our Biocontainment Unit and the super smart people who work here. I am definitely not an expert, but these folks established their own testing a while back...and like many of the existing tests they rely on RT-PCR and other technologies to amplify the specific gene targets within SARA CoV-2 that allow for a test result.

Glad to hear that you are involved with other testing modalities. I think things like serological testing and the recent FDA approved test from Cepheid that gives a rapid answer will be incredibly helpful for point of care testing and triage decisions on both coasts where the patient numbers are highest.

Well that's good to hear. I haven't spoken to anyone in Nebraska. Closest are discussions with Colorado which are on going.

Is your hospital directly tied into the State's purchasing office? Or do you need to do a request and wait process?

I also spoke to the Urgent Care Association recently and am trying to work out how to deliver to individual care centers that only need small quantities comparatively by combining hundreds of locations together in weekly orders. Payment structure and delivery logistics to so many individual locations is a difficult though and so far haven't been able to make it work.

I think you spelled it out perfectly in your post below...the hesitancy to accept international business is definitely having an impact on large hospital systems being able to obtain the supplies they need. As of today, our University and state labs are increasing their testing capacity and the serological test is going to be super important to figure out who are the folks who have already had the disease...have potential immunity...and therefore don't need to be tested with a RT-PCR based assay.

The other thing that was helpful today is that the visitor policy has changed to no visitors in the inpatient or outpatient setting, with exceptions for kids and pregnancy. Although it sounds terrible...it is really really smart. Keeps the public away from the hospital where cases are concentrated, and potentially protects the workers in the hospital from getting exposed to someone who might not be able to be tracked...meaning who else are they exposing.

Can you tell us more about these test kits? Is this a 'pee-on-a-stick' type test?

FernleyHokie will definitely be the expert on what his group has developed, but most serological testing involves identifying immunoglobulins in the blood. So I would assume most tests for COVID antibodies in folks who have been infected and then recovered would be a blood test.

There is immunoglobulin in your pee...but it might be at such low levels, especially after recovery from COVID that a test may not be able to reliably identify it.

Wish I could take credit for it, but I'm just a trader. connecting buyer to seller to get products to the American people.

blood instead of pee

I don't know if I can pee blood on a stick. /s

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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If you are peeing blood you actually have a bigger issue than Covid... :)

I can comfirm this. Dont fuck around if you pee blood. Thats how i found out i had stage 4 kidney cancer without any prior symptoms.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

So, I'm going to jump in here, not that I know about these tests in particular, but I can describe how these tests types of tests work generally. (I am a biomedical scientist, or at least I have a sheet a paper from UC-San Diego that says so...)

Pregnancy tests detect a hormone that pregnant women secrete in their urine. The test works by using a lab-made antibody within the pee stick to detect that hormone. When the antibody detects the hormone, a chemical reaction occurs resulting in that pink band, indicating pregnancy.

So, utilizing the same theory, you can use a nasal swab or blood extraction from a patient to detect coronavirus. The test would include a lab-made antibody would be able to detect the spike protein on the virus (this is the protein that provides that crown-like appearance). And when detection of the spike protein occurs, a chemical reaction occurs providing an indication that the biological sample is infected with coronavirus.

These types of tests are different from serological tests. A serological test determines whether the individual being tested has generated their own antibodies against coronavirus. When an individual is infected with the virus, their immune system builds up an army of antibodies to detect and kill the virus. Thus, to perform a serological test, blood is drawn from an individual and then that blood is then mixed with lab-made spike protein, and if the individual's blood draw has antibodies that are able to detect the spike protein, a chemical reaction occurs to detect this interaction. A positive result indicates that the individual has developed immunity against the coronavirus.

So, both tests have their purpose. The first pregnancy-like test determines if a person is actively infected with virus. The second serological test determines if a person has immunity to the virus.

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That was awesome...well said. I totally would have chosen you to cheat off in Medical School. Not that I did cheat in Medical School...but IF I did, it would have been off you.

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why did I think you were going to law school?

yeah this is a great explanation.

From the trading side of things these instant test that can determine active infection are the most in demand in every country I speak to. Factories are increasing capacity on these dramatically to try to keep up with demand.

I did go to law school after graduate school. And yes, for those wondering, I was in post-secondary school for the same amount of years as it took to complete secondary (13 years total; 4 at VT, 6 at UCSD for graduate, and 3 USC for law). And yes, that is a shit ton of school, and what I get in return is the ability to call myself a scientist lawyer. (hooray.)

Yea, you're right. The current demand is to know who is infected and who isn't. The next demand will be serological testing, as we try to restart up our lives.

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when i was funemployed after finishing my doctorate at VT, i thought about going for a JD and doing patent law. for about 15 minutes before i felt my blood pressure going back up. kudos to you

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

yea. law school wasn't fun (because i was old and ready to be done with it all), but probably the right move for me. Patent law is enjoyable though. I work with active scientists every day, helping them get patents on their innovations.

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I may have missed this somewhere along the way, but what % of people tested have shown that they are immune to the virus?

I know everyone says this is not the flu, but I'm one of those very lucky one's (so far) that has never, ever gotten any type of flu, has never taken a flu shot, and I really don't get sick from much of anything. I'm 62, and have missed maybe 5 days of work in 40 years. I'm still taking every precaution right now, because this thing scares me, but I wonder if people smarter than I have seen any kind of patterns as to who gets it vs. those who don't, who gets the deadly version of it vs. those with little or no symptoms, etc. From what I've read, no one has figured out any patterns, but this is the first I have heard about people being tested with the results indicating that they are immune to the virus.

Interesting questions and I haven't seen any data on that (and I'm obsessed with reading all the COVID19 data). But, the virus (as we understand) doesn't show preference for infection, but a preference for producing symptoms. There aren't really any hypotheses that are well regarded to explain the high number of asymptomatic cases either. The weirdest thing is the lack of severity in young children. Nearly all previous novel viruses have a "U-shaped" curve for severity (youngest and oldest affected the most). So, the lack of U-shape suggests that as we age, our body is doing something that either lessens our ability to fight the virus, or in some way worsens the virulence and symptoms of the virus, in addition to our typical immunity strength that follows the U-shape. (And on a personal note, thank god for the lack of U-shape curve. My 11-mo old niece and her parents all caught the virus and ended up with a mild cough, slight fever, and nothing more.)

Regarding immunity to the virus, the data suggests those that are infected and recovered (whether severely symptomatic or asymptomatic) are becoming robustly immune to this strain. There have been zero reports (that I've seen) of re-acquisition of COVID19. The other encouraging data is that the coronavirus strain responsible for COVID19 isn't as highly mutable as influenza (2 to 4 times less). This suggests that once a person gains immunity, that they'll stay immune to coronavirus for periods longer than seasonal influenza. So maybe, there is reason to hope, that a single infection or a single vaccination would yield life-time protection, or at least longer than 1 year like influenza. This also suggests a higher chance of eradicating coronavirus. If enough of us become immune, and the virus is unable to mutate to survive, it'll die out.

Edit: Might have spoke too soon about the reinfection: NPR article suggests reinfection may be occurring in Wuhan, but China's testing accuracy is questioned.

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Thank you for the detailed, well written answer!

Dr. Fauci seemed very confident immunization would last for a bit for those who had and recovered from the virus.

I want to be clear that I understand.
The antibody test, is it testing to see if the person is immune or that sometime in the past, the body has manufactured antibodies and is either fighting the virus currently or has beat it an is now immune to that strain of virus?

This is going to be great for the ACC.

My MIL is an MD and said that the antibodies test is really there to see if you've been infected and fought this off before. Whether or not you'll be immune in the future really just depends on how quickly this virus can mutate, but already having the antibodies there should make any future infection easier to fight off.

Right now, it doesn't seem like this virus mutates that quickly, so while nobody right now is willing to sign off on you being immune, it does look like that might be the case. This would be different than the flu, which usually has multiple mutations per year, necessitating precautions like the flu shot.

This kind of test really helps to show how quickly and how widespread the virus was. Only after we get these numbers can we really get a solid idea on how contagious and deadly it really is.

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So, to be clear, it sounds like you're asking about the serological test, which determines an individual's response to a prior viral infection. And yes, a positive hit demonstrates that their immune system has experienced the virus and that they have produced antibodies against it. That person would have some level of immunity against that virus, but it doesn't guarantee re-infection, but strongly suggests the ability to not acquire the virus a second time. In a healthy person with a solid immune response, that person would recognize and kill the virus upon re-infection. There are so many other factors in play though, including the strength of the initial immune response, the individual's ability to produce and maintain an immune response, the length of time between first infection and re-infection, the amount and length of exposure of virus at re-infection, the ability of virus to evade immune response upon re-infection, the ability of the virus to mutate (mutation can increase or decrease likelihood of reinfection), one's overall health, one's diet, smoking, and so many more factors.

But, in sum, if you have a robust antibody response, you are likely to be able to prevent re-infection and thus immune to the virus.

(Note: The pregnancy-like test also uses antibodies, so it is an "antibody test" too, but the antibodies are lab made and are used to detect active virus within the body.)

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Sadly no...I may have exaggerated my abilities a bit. I'm limited to dogs, turtles, giraffes and snakes (they are super easy). After that it's shadow puppets and fart jokes...

So, some good news for a change.

The researcher behind the Imperial College report is revising his estimates/model, based on the fact that more people than thought had contracted the disease and had mild symptoms. Only time will tell if this is correct, but this is better news than most we get these days.

Still doesn't mean we shouldn't stay at home and wash our hands, for now.

UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/#ixzz6Hp1LSluH

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That would be good news. I just wish testing capacity was at what we need to get an accurate assessment of the size of this pandemic. So much of this could have been avoided if we had just started working on upgrading testing capacity 2 months earlier.

We laid of 20% of our workforce on Monday, and it's been hell ever since.

I'm lucky to be in the 80% still employed but I'm not sure how much longer we'll survive.

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Can I ask what industry you're in? We just received a 14% paycut across the board, but no layoffs as of right now.

I work for a small consulting firm that was carved out of one of the big guys, we're a 150ish person company now post-layoffs. We do sales and customer service consulting.

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In terrible news, we are #1 in the world for the most COVID-19 cases.

More than China (I need Fernleys thoughts on this).

With the delay in test results it's surely in the 100 thousands and we are days, possibly weeks from the peek.

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I only want to down vote this because it's not good news, not because I hate you.

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Yeah it's not good news. Hopefully something takes a turn for the better in the near future.

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my thoughts

The US policy of hoping warm weather will magically make it go away just didn't work out in the long run. And instead of preparing by stockpiling, nationalizing factories to produce medical supplies domestically and centralize purchasing of tests, masks and everything else the government waited until 3000 cases tested positive to even begin to think of how to respond. The problem was that it was 3000 cases from 4000 tests at that time, which meant it was too late.

And the reality of the US response is frightening. I'm trying to get medical supplies to US but US buyers are not savvy to international business. I've been told that they can only pay when goods arrive in warehouse in USA, that local law prohibits paying in cash, that products need to arrive and be verified while money sits in escrow, that it will take days or a week to issue a Purchase Order. Meanwhile every other country is paying cash upfront within 24 to 48 hours. They can't compete because they don't know how to. On the other side, there are a lot of scammers out there and because they don't know who to trust or how to trust who they get introduced to the US buyers don't want to send cash.

But for every news you see about medical supply shortages, testing taking days to weeks to get back, this is the reason. US businesses don't understand international business and that ignorance is killing other Americans.

Just replying to add this below your comment. Not to respond to what you've posted, seen, lived...

There's the old adage of Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics. I've seen posts all over the board on various places...and you know what? At the end of the day, every single one's projections will be wrong. In the empirical sense, wrong. Numbers can be skewed. Numbers can be worked. Numbers can be transferred to other categories. One thing that cannot be changed is people actually dieing from this. Right now reporting is all over the place because there's not even a standard for it. Heck, within my old county on the eastern shore of MD, reporting for the hospitals varies from the private practices. This is what the information-backed decision making is up against. And it sucks.

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Well, to follow up on our timing, DHHS just released three soul source procurements for masks. Over $350 millionworth of masks. But, if production is initiated today, we are behind. Hopefully, there was stockpile. But, if there was stockpile, then why was there shortage?

DHHS just released three soul source procurements for masks. Over $350 worth...

$350, how many masks are they buying, ten? ;^)

Edit: (Had to add the original quote in there, so my response makes sense.)

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12. They ordered 12 masks.

Well, I still botched the post a little. Just to acknowledge my imperfection.

I'm glad you acknowledged it. Good to stay humble in times like these...

Been speaking to DHHS for over a month now. There was a stockpile. Not nearly enough. All US production that is coming online is behind and will need at least 6 to 8 weeks to catch up to demand provided they can reach production targets. If peak numbers are near top line, meaning trending toward worst case, then they will need 12 weeks to catch up.

As I mentioned on another thread, I am skeptical that we actually have more cases than China. There's a lot of smoke suggesting China has been less than honest in this whole affair in an attempt to shift the blame away from them. I have no idea what the truth is, but I would take anything that comes from China with a scoop of salt right now.

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They're not really gonna hold Wrestlemania, are they?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think the plan is to wrestle but with no fans. That's how they've been doing shows the past few weeks.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

That kinda makes me want to watch one...must be bizarre with no fans

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I believe if you get a free trial of WWE network you can watch it. It's also over two nights.

Can't spell DBU without Bud

Probably all been recorded for weeks

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

They should only allow Brendan Dassey to go

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Hope everyone's staying safe out there, and if you all are primarily working from home, hopefully staying sane as well. If you're on the front lines battling the pandemic, thank you very much for your service.

Since I'm all cooped up, I figured I might as well start decorating my wfh space........

Holy shit!!! I just woke up and have 5 minutes to get to work! Oh, wait...work is 30 ft away.

Finally get to see what this working from home thing is all about.

If you play it, they will win.

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Finally get to see what this working from home thing is all about.

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Its enjoyable for about 24-48 hours.

Then it sucks for about 10-14 days

And then you kind of get used to it.

Just remember, when you're not speaking on the conference call mute your damn phone. The guy on my team who sits next to me in the office has just not ever grasped this concept, which I could somewhat forgive in the office, I would just give him a nudge and ask him to mute, but now that we're WFH, its every damn call we're on. And we're on every damn call together.

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I murder keyboards. Cannot help it. I crush keys. Have been called out twice for forgetting to mute. People really feel sorry for my keyboard.

You need less green time.

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This is perfect.

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We used to get the pleasure of listening to one guy that chews and cracks his chewing gum through every call we have with his team. Instituted a new policy where every Teams call defaults to all participants but the leader muted at the start. Makes life in general more bearable.

Also remember if you decide to go the bathroom while on a call triple check that you are on mute and if you are on a video conference definitely don't do this:

Oh man, oh man...

As some may know, I'm deaf, and had a teacher who wore a mic that broadcast wirelessly to my hearing aid as part of my hearing aids training. He would go to the bathroom and forget that I can hear what's he doing - whether it's plunking the water and flushing - and I would alert my classmates when he's coming. Thinking about it is bringing a fond smile to my face.

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Have you heard the Greg Davies story? you in particular will enjoy it

(I'm assuming you can listen via your hearing aid)

Yikes.

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I think I'd be perfectly fine working from home full time if my co-workers weren't such unruly assholes. Trying to run a daycare/preschool while working is impossible. Seriously, god bless anyone that works at a daycare and spends their entire day with toddlers....

Where's the beef?

I had an office assistant walk through my office today with no pants. Multiple times.

Highly unprofessional.

That is my wife and yes her center is still open.

Oh not muting on a call is the worst. I've been on calls and had to hear dogs barking, kids crying, etc. My wife was on a conference call one time and actually heard someone peeing and then flush the toilet.

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Joe!!!

Thanks for letting us have this discussion even though it goes off the rails from time to time.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Faaaaaak

Lead singer of Rammstein is in ICU over CV-19

Sounds like he's getting better, which is good.

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Till is too powerful to be killed by this.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

The antidote for COVID 19 lies somewhere amongst Jack Nicholson and Mick Jagger

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Cocaine?

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Found this today - a dashboard that uses cell phone data to measure social distancing. Has data by state and county:

Social Distancing Scorecard

Some places have some work to do.

Shenandoah Valley of VA not taking the precautions seriously enough yet. Observations match the data. This is good use of technology and a gentle reminder that our phones are tracking devices.

Edit: I wonder if the constant flow of commerce down I-81 and heave agriculture industry would limit how few miles can be reduced in that footprint.

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Seems like a really dumb way to measure social distancing.

I drive a long way to work but only have contact with about 3 people daily.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Yeah, it kind of screws those people that are driving around alot. A farmer or rancher riding a truck/tractor alone while working all day is not spreading anything.

Yeah, if you look at Wyoming, they get an F, but I can guarantee you they are in more isolation than me!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I also wonder about some of the method. For instance, if you commute through multiple counties, which county gets credit for that distance?

Also, are they taking multiple devices into account? I have a work phone and a personal phone. If you track both of them, it looks like two people travelling the exact same path everyday.

Blacksburg has its first case of the virus per an email my wife received.

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A student who traveled internationally who lives off campus returned from spring break.

This is why all of us here locally knew the whole "if you travel, please do not return" thing wouldn't work...as I drive by students congregating all over town...

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Same. My employer is close to Virginia Tech campus and I have seen a handful students jogging or walking their dogs. Not seeing heavy student population as usual but I have been working from home since Wednesday.

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The fish mongers were in my parking lot yesterday. People were lined up eight feet apart from on another. Go across the street to Kroger and people are still within inches of each other, at times.
It's a weird mix in town. I see groups out running together. Then I see people doing their best to separate.

Effective 5pm tomorrow, Dare County will be under a "Stay Home, Stay Healthy" declaration, to limit movements outside of your home....but in all honesty, it seems pointless. The list of "essential businesses" is damn near everything.

https://www.darenc.com/home/showdocument?id=6272

EDIT:

And effective Monday afternoon, statewide stay at home order for NC
https://www.fayobserver.com/news/20200327/gov-roy-cooper-issues-stay-at-...

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

What I'll be interested to see down the road is how many lives were created by the pandemic.

We already know that March is a popular time for snip-snip procedures. There are entire ad campaigns built around the idea that you get the procedure done and then sit around watching basketball while you recover.

But then the tournament got cancelled. Some guys probably didn't bother to schedule a procedure at that point. And then everyone was told to stay at home. Even the ones that got scheduled likely got cancelled, either by the guys who decided to wait until next year so they can actually watch basketball while recovering, or by the doctors who needed to use their skills elsewhere.

There's a baby boom coming in December.

I don't have kids but saw a meme on facebook. "If there is a baby boom in 9 months, it will be all first borns"

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Look at this link. I saw this yesterday. (Shaking head about many college students these days).
Then yesterday on my way home from work at the CRC (im the only one in our office here in Blacksburg, so its perfect, and building is deserted), i see a car w writing on the back window:
"Spring Break
VT --> FL
VENMO --> VT@SB"
The car was a 2018 Volvo w 2 female students in it. Farking idiots! And asking for money from anyone while driving an almost new car. Really mind numbing.

I... am... speechless...to the stupidity.

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Can you send a note with venmo? If so, create a throwaway account, and then send them $.01 and a piece of your mind.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Due to Taiwan and Hong Kong still reporting new cases China is in a position where they have to acknowledge that either A. They do have new cases when they were claiming to have zero or B. Taiwan and Hong Kong are not a part of China.

Hook it into my veins.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

They shouldn't be. Taiwan has been independent for seventy years or so, and Hong Kong, the Brits never should have given that back.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Taiwan has been independent for seventy years or so

That is not the answer you'll get if you asked the Chinese government.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

No, it isn't.

And I'll suppress my next thought, as that's getting too close to politics.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Florida has setup checkpoints on 95 S into Florida and 75 W into Florida. They are stopping cars with NY and Louisiana plates. Advising them to self quarantine while also looking for anyone sick in the vehicle.

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Seems like a complete and utter waste of time as anyone who expects that to effectively prevent transmission is a fool.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Especially a waste of time considering their numbers of infected are going to explode over the next couple of days. It's already there. It's far, far too late to be doing anything like that.

NC just officially went into stay at home orders statewide. It's disappointing that Floyd the Barber can't cut hair in Mount Airy with their 1 case, because of Raleigh, Charlotte, and the Triad.

In a week or so, it really should be time to put away the sledgehammer and get out the scalpel.

Leonard. Duh.

1 confirmed case* the point is we dont have rampant enough testing to know where this is and isnt. The best advice that can be given right now is to treat everything and anything like it has the virus to prevent its spread

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This. Nobody wants the entire country to be shut down or thinks that approach is viable for the long term. The problem is that we fell woefully behind on testing capability (arguably partly due to the number of people minimizing the potential of the virus) and as a direct result as unable to take more targeted actions.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Ignoring or being late to react with stay at home orders is one of the major contributors to the explosion of cases. I know what you're saying, because I treated these stay at home orders similarly a few weeks ago. Being in Detroit on the come up and having many friends working in health care telling me it's becoming a war zone, why don't we save some of our "I know better" type comments

What happens when Floyd the Barber is the second case in Mt Airy but doesn't know it and touches dozens of heads and faces?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

You need to just log off for awhile. This fucking attitude while people are filling up ducking hospital ICU's in NYC and we are seeing exponential growth in places all around the country is the shit we are dealing with that will mean it keeps going.

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Yep. People are dying and suffering all over the world from this but I guess it's a perfect time for him to continue to dig his head further in the sand under the hope he's right. People like Leonard are part of the problem with this.

How is this helpful?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Maybe it's not but how is denouncing the severity of this pandemic helpful?

It's not, but everyone else engaging with Leonard somehow has managed to find the words to communicate that without committing or getting really close to a CG violation

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I don't think he's being off base to consider other perspectives and approaches to this. At what point do we make the decision that the cats out of the bag and the sledge hammer approach isn't going to achieve the stated goals? I don't think we're there yet but if additional testing and resulting data seems to point to far greater community transmission (ongoing and previous) and less prevalent critical symptoms, when do we collectively decide that the current measures won't do what we think they'll do and more targeted protective measures for the most at risk populations are the right way forward?

I don't have the answers, but I see nothing wrong with asking these questions.

Sure, except please show me where Leonard raised/asked any questions in his post ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Maybe it's not a pressing issue in Mt Airy NC yet, but it certainly is in the greater NYC area where I live. To the point where everyone knows someone infected personally, or is one degree removed from that personal relationship.

Saying its not a big deal and Floyd the barber should be allowed to keep going business as usual comes across as incredibly misinformed when you actually know someone who has passed away from it. That attitude is not helpful.

But there is a difference between saying "the attitude is not helpful" and singling out one commenter as being The Problem

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I watch my wife leave every weekday and this coming weekend for her call shifts not knowing if she will get a consult for a Covid19 patient. My wife is going to work 14 days straight at 60 percent pay without being able to change her PPE but fucking reuse it because they can't find more to buy. I've watched political figures from my county, my state and my federal government downplay this thing and now we sit behind the ball. My brothers still riding an engine or box are dealing with increased call volumes. In NYC they are using outside jurisdiction mutual aid for the first time since 9/11. This thing is serious and people need to take it seriously.

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I'm tired of people in our communities mostly online now but here and on local social media talk about "more people die from the flu or car accidents or OD'S. You know what we fucking know how to treat and limit those deaths as best we can as a society. Covid 19 we have NOTHING. We don't have accurate testing yet, we don't have a vaccine to prevent it, we don't even have treatments for it just the symptoms people have when they get sick. Give them oxygen and try and keep their lungs open THATS IT. Now we go back to everyone going about their normal daily routine except for the elderly and immune comprised well now our ER'S are dealing with almost full capacity normal days from sick people, people hurt at work or play. Look around rural America we have lost thousands of hospital beds from closures and consolations, we have massive shortages of any kind of doctor and nurses all over much less specially trained ones to work in ICU'S. TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUSLY.

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Amen.

we fucking know how to treat and limit those deaths as best we can as a society

You are acknowledging that even with the flu there is nuance to our policy to limit deaths as best we can as a society but not outright prevent every possible death or exposure. If our goal for handling the flu was outright least amount of deaths and contagion we would take the additional measures we are currently taking for cv19 in addition to the flu shot and general hygienic awareness. However we have conceded to the fact that flu season is dangerous and it will kill lots of people each year. This is not to say that the two diseases are the same and should be treated the same but to point out that the goal of public policy is risk mitigation rather than the elimination of risk. In a scientific vacuum, the solution to battle this disease may be to do a total lockdown of the entire country for 3-6 months. I think everyone can agree this is not possible, thus we must find middle ground between business as usual and total lockdown. It's clear that this is Leonard's point and it is frustrating to see people continually misconstrue this reality to deride him or anyone who dares acknowledge that there are real immediate irreversible consequences to shutting down business across the entire country. Creating widespread poverty will create an immense amount of suffering. If you can't empathize with the people who risked their own life savings in a business and lose everything not from mismanagement but from just being told to close by the government even though the govt has acknowledged this might not even be the best approach (Cuomo admitted this) then you need to take a step back and view this with a wider lense.

This sight has become like Twitter and Reddit where yes there are community guidelines but they are not applied evenly. If you hold one set of beliefs you are given much more latitude than if you hold the others. I've said this before but moderation through up and down votes is no longer effective. There is a group of frequent posters with big leg counts who continually break CG with no punishment. Joe and Mods if you want to get this back under control one suggestion is adding automatic suspensions when a post hits certain downvote thresholds i.e. -25 on a post triggers a one day ban, -50 3 days, -100 one week.

(To your first paragraph) This^, but also, careful now!

I'm going to turn the whole site off.

That would suck

Y'all made Joe go into dad mode lol

Perhaps part of the problem is that neither "side" is discussing it with any actual nuance, and rather just commenting plainly as if anyone with half a brain should agree with them.

As to your second point, please understand that the moderatin' is still pretty new to me and to Chris here, and between us, VTGM, and Joe, we're doing the best we can for a site with as many users as we have. VTGM handled the spat below with a lot more grace than I likely would have, and he has that right to do so. When I saw that VTGM had replied by the time I even read the comment, I let it be, and HokieFireman edited out his comment.

Your suggestion for temp bans is noted, but would require some reworking (either of the idea or of the site coding) if it were to be implemented. Currently, nuance in moderating on my end has to be qualitatively in writing, not in quantitatively in downvotes.

(light edit for grammar/clarity)

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I would add that the "sides" have ended up like they are rooting for a sports team with blind allegiance. There isn't any nuanced reasoning anymore. Just my team is going to beat your team. Unfortunately that isn't helpful, productive, reality, or even adult. But I'm seeing it everywhere. And it sucks.

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This is not to say that the two diseases are the same and should be treated the same but to point out that the goal of public policy is risk mitigation rather than the elimination of risk.

The problem with COVID-19 right now is that we have no treatment for the disease. We can only treat the symptoms, but for the most part the individual needs their own immune system to fight it off. If your immune system is at all compromised, its a really, really bad thing to be in a spot where you are exposed to it. In many cases, the best a doctor can do is make you as comfortable as they can while you die.

And that is the problem we run into when people say that the economy is more important right now. When I said a couple weeks ago that some tough conversations would have to be made, this is what I was getting at. If you reopen this country and attempt to resume business as usual, you're effectively writing a death sentence for a segment of the population. On the other hand, we can't keep having weeks where 3.3 million people are having to file unemployment because they're out of work.

My biggest fear going forward is that the big takeaway that a hefty chunk of the corporations out there are going to have from this is that they rapidly need to move away from being dependent on a human workforce and to double down on their efforts to automate and streamline so they can continue to push forward in global events like this, much like how many large companies spread out their corporate workforce to create larger regional HQs after 9/11, realizing that having everyone in one place was a risk too great to take. And if that happens, the kind of unemployment numbers we are seeing now could end up being a bit of the norm going forward.

With that said, it has been encouraging to see many companies adapt and adjust quickly to this new era to keep themselves afloat. Between restaurants and bars quickly moving to take-out and delivery options to places like Fanatics, Bauer, and other sportswear makers quickly shifting toward producing PPEs to cruise lines offering their ships up to be makeshift COVID hospital wards in places like New York and Miami, it does show that humanity has an ability to shift quickly to meet a common need.

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It's a virus. Correct me if I am wrong, but you can't treat a virus, only the symptoms. You have to treat the symptoms until your bodies creates enough antibodies to fight it off itself. Unless you just mean vaccine to prevent you from getting it in the first place, or it should at least give you some antibodies to better fight it off.

But I agree that companies have definitely shifted very quickly to stay afloat to help any way they can. This virus definitely will make a major impact for the future. Whether that businesses or it could affect how we travel and respond to future novel diseases.

Incorrect. Antiviral medications exist to treat many viruses.

What do antivirals do? Aren't they primarily to lower the infectivity of the virus? Do they help with symptoms? Genuinely curious. I know it exists for flu and HIV, but are they common for other viruses?

Not as common as antibiotics for bacterial infections, but they have the same purpose - inhibit the ability of the virus to either enter your cells or reproduce.

This website is nothing like twitter or reddit in terms of polarization, aggressive rhetoric, or one-sided bias. You're referencing platforms that have many people utilizing multiple alts and bot farms to control narratives on subjects that aren't and have never been allowed for discussion here.

This pandemic creates a particularly difficult and unique situation on TKP in regards to moderation. We have users here who have provided some incredibly useful insight on the CV19 situation. That discussion has been helpful to me personally, and I'm sure many others would say the same. However, a global pandemic has natural political elements in regards to how it's being handled by different countries, economic impacts, etc. We are trying to navigate how to allow quality (and helpful) discussion on the subject while also not allowing it to devolve into deeply political arguments about the media, Trump, etc.

There's a very fine line between policy (how the pandemic is handled from a top-down or government perspective) vs politics (how the decisions on policy are made). While policy discussions can be interesting and informative, they can quickly devolve into politics IF people are not actively trying to avoid that line.

There has also been a lot of discussions on how the pandemic is being handled from a bottom-up or grassroots perspective, how individuals and businesses are handling things. These discussions have been VERY helpful, and I think it's imperative that they continue. Policy matters tend to inform grassroots measures, though it's been going both ways during this pandemic.

IM(ns)HO, I think the grassroots discussions are so important during this pandemic, that they may require a bit of tolerance on allowing policy discussions, even if they occasionally step over the line into politics (those post being subsequently moderated). I don't envy the moderators, though, in trying to enforce that. I will do my part in both remaining on the appropriate side of the line, and downvoting those that step over.

LBT

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

A rant like this is completely useless. I'll let the professionals who have devoted their lives to studying infectious diseases gauge the risk.

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But I've devoted my life to ranting.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Never said anything about NYC. You're making my point. If the national guard needs to be called out for a real time fact supported crisis situation there I'm all for it. My point is that the entire country MAY not need to stay at home because of region crises. I'm hopeful for a multi-faceted solution.
Whatever, though... I'll log off for you, FireDude. Enjoy your safe space.

Leonard. Duh.

Bless your heart

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Easy, friend. We all know you have a very personal stake in this. It's not worth the elevation to your blood pressure to win an Internet fight with one guy who's bent on not changing his ways.

Before everything gets entirely off the rails, let's remember the point of this thread is to discuss useful and helpful information. I think the vast majority of TKPers are treating the situation with the seriousness it deserves.

Everyone has a personal stake in this whether they realize it or not though.

Just go ahead and edit this out.

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Edit

More on tv
There's gotta be
More on tv
There's gotta be
More on tv
Than just
Moron tv

The whole point of staying home is to prevent ever needing the national guard in the first place. Proactive is better than reactive, and right now the most proactive way to fight the spread is to, you know, remove the possibility of being the one spreading it.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Pick your posion i say

More on tv
There's gotta be
More on tv
There's gotta be
More on tv
Than just
Moron tv

Exactly, particularly in more rural locations.

As posters earlier in the thread have pointed out, medical facilities in such locations have closed or consolidated, frequently being replaced by Urgent Care centers. These centers are fine for minor medical issues, but do not have the capabilities to effectively treat patients with this virus.

Given how contagious this virus is, it would absolutely decimate more isolated areas if it is allowed to start spreading. It is better to shut down and minimize possibility of transmission than to go about our daily lives waiting for it to show up. By the time you get positive tests, it has already been spreading for several days.

Terrible news for the Robinson family, Justin Robinson's father, Verdell Robinson, just passed due to a heart attack.
Worst part is he was scheduled for a stint, but procedure was canceled due to Covid-19 response.

Verdell was scheduled to receive a heart stent March 20 at Novant Health UVA Prince William Medical Center in Manassas. But the procedure was cancelled because of the coronavirus, Dernard said. Besides preparing for the spike in coronavirus cases, the hospital had to take Verdell's age into consideration as well even though Verdell was in good physical shape, he said.

"It was a precaution," Denard said. "They didn't want to expose him."

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I found this interesting being in the Entertainment Industry. Skip to about 8:00 if you do not want to hear about mixology.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Does anyone know how to get to the google sheet that was linked to the GIS Data Map.

At one point we could check out the google sheet, and I would like to put this into a heat map instead of the hot spots.

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Regardless of your opinion on this virus and the associated response, can we all agree we lost a national hero today with the passing of Joe Diffie? Fuck, this blows...

RIP

Do not get outta wack litigating this, after everything in the other thread. This is the warning!

Having said that, this was entirely predictable!!!!!!!!!

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After reading through the spiciness that was the other thread, I absolutely cannot wait for the Hatin' on Liberty thread next season. (If there is a season. Pls let us have a season)

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If there is a season but it's shortened, at least we know which game is the first on the chopping block, for multiple reasons.

It's just so predictable this would happen.

Of course, for the record, Falwell is declaring fake news about this whole thing

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John Prine is in the hospital in critical condition per a post I saw.

I saw this, and it's very, very sad. He was my first concert ever (summer of 72, I was 14 years old) at Constitution Hall in D.C. I saw him several times in the 70's, but unfortunately missed his last tour this year.

One of the greatest songwriters ever, and his music is still on my playlist.

Lost a very dear friend to this crap over the weekend, he finally beat lung cancer last week only to have this garbage sweep in and he passed away on saturday alone at the hospital since no one can visit right now. Fuck this disease and people please take this shit seriously.

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Sorry for your loss. That's absolutely awful.

Thanks to everyone, its been shitty but spare a thought for the family this pandemic has made everything even harder ie funerals, and celebration of life. Makes an already tough moment even harder when family and friends cant gather to help get through this time.

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That is horrible. I am sorry for your loss.

More and more people are starting to realize this is some serious s@%$ especially as these stories are getting out there more and more often. It might be late, but I am glad that the precautions are really starting to be observed.

This. When we got the call it hit me that we couldnt go to the hospital to even say goodbye. The last his family will have is seeing him put in the ambulance and thats it. This stuff is serious and judging by what I'm seeing out and about around work people arent doing much to change their habits.

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Speculation: But VA may be on its way to a Stay at Home order.

I understand why it's necessary, but if I can't blow off some steam via motorcycle every so often, I'm going to be pissed.

Pass the stay-at-home, but include outs for truly solitary activities.

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Not snark, but the country is now getting a glimpse of how anxiety affects millions of people every day.

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Point.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

From what I understand that is exactly what it will be. There will still be plenty of leeway for people to not be stuck inside all day so we'll see how/what this actually changes.

This is how it is in California. The expectation is stay-at-home, but can go outside running or driving in isolation (or with your quarantine). Trips to the essential stores should be minimized.

So, I say, joyride away, just don't stop off at public locations.

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What would this mean? I guess I'll be getting a fine, or five weeks worth of fines, because I'll be damned if I'm missing turkey season, a solitary pursuit which occurs miles from the nearest road let alone another human...

Cant we just classify it as going to get food so its essential?

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Technically, yes. But I don't think we should depend on that logic when determining how the rules will apply. I won't say more for fear of getting political.

I concur and had this discussion today. No way am I giving up turkey hunting this spring. My mental health would not be able to accept it. It's essentially a zero risk activity and I hope we can utilize some common sense and acknowledge some things are permissible. People need to be able to get out and enjoy the outdoors, especially in times such as these. Go on a hike, hunt some morels, chase some turkeys, do some fishing, get some sunshine and smell the spring air all while staying the hell away from anyone else. I'd take a month of that, but being locked in my house is going to be nearly impossible for me to comply with. I understand in some areas people aren't fortunate enough to be able to get out and not be near other people, but living in the boondocks needs to flex its advantages for once.

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The problem is that there are just too many people who are being really, really stupid about this. Like, yeah, its good that we're able to go to the park and all, but we have a lake near our house and my wife and I thought to go on a walk the other day, and its seriously more crowded than I've ever seen it. Drove past the main entrance, and parking was slam packed and people were just gathered in large groups. There was no social distancing going on, and if we are serious about trying to control this thing, eventually we have to take the temptation and opportunity of stupidity away from others.

And then don't get me started on the stores, like Cosco, which are allowing only a certain amount of people in at once, strictly following the 'no groups of more than 10 people'. Which, sounds good, until you realize that by only allowing 10 or 15 people in the store, you're creating a group of 30-50 outside waiting to get in, defeating the purpose of the mandate.

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I completely understand, the logistics make it almost impossible for 100% compliance regardless of what is mandated. Which is way I'm probably not going to lose much sleep worrying about getting the hell away from anyone and everyone (except maybe tagging my kids along) when I get the opportunity, as this is the ultimate objective. Fortunately I live in a very rural area and can do that without putting others at risk.

Same here. And I don't care whose feathers get ruffled. On April 11th at 4:00 am I'll be headed up the mountain come hell or high water. My mental health will fail completely if I don't hit the spring woods for morrels and chasing turkeys.

Here's the Maryland interpretation.
Under the executive order, no Marylander should leave their home except for an essential reason. Therefore, recreational boating is not allowed. Subsistence hunting and fishing โ€” limited hunting and limited recreational fishing and crabbing for sustenance โ€” can continue, however social distancing must be adhered to strictly.

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I appreciate the info, thanks for sharing.

Confirmed. Governor just announced it. You can leave for food, supplies, going to work or banking. Beaches closed. You can go outside but groups of 10 are banned. Order in place until June 10th

Edit: Just glancing at news announcements, it doesn't appear much different than what was already in place. The most significant change is closing beaches

Order in place until June 10th

This is ridiculous. So much can change in two months.

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including the end date of the order. better off planning to be stood down for two months than to have the order extended another two weeks every two weeks, no?

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It seems like an awfully long timeframe to me but I also don't mind it being extended two weeks at a time.

I just want to be able to go to Home Depot to get supplies to continue working on my house and go fishing, which after reading the order, looks like I can still go fishing.

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The thing about the shelter in place rules is, if done properly, the date of peak infection rate becomes later and later. That's why they last so long. Also, at least here in Austin, you can still go to Home Depot because repairing your home is essential - I imagine it would be the same in VA.

No. Picking an arbitrary date in the distant future while providing no guidelines on what would trigger an early end to the lockdown is not preferable.

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Deregulation is very hard to do. That date is likely set.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

The official order says the date can be amended in further orders. So if things get better, it can be lifted. If it gets worse, they can push the date further back. It's not like if things get better everywhere say May 15th and its safeish to start getting things going, VA is gonna sit tight until June 10th because of this order

It's not just that we need to see the numbers decrease, but we need to see the numbers decrease and stay there for a duration because of how long you could be infected without being symptomatic.

You open the gates too early and we are right back here a very short period of time later. I seriously would not be shocked if all these lockdown mandates stick through the summer, with consideration to possibly start reopening everything in the fall. That said, i would also not be shocked if these lock in procedures become our way of living until the vaccine is released in 2021.

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I'm not educated enough on this to weigh in on the accuracy of this statement. Assuming it does go into the fall, or God forbid 2021, do you think the long term repercussions of that would be something we'd recover from? Assuming we could, eventually, what do you think the timeline would be to do so? Seems to me if society basically shuts down for 12 months then what's the point? The suffering on many (and different) levels that would come from that would seem to outweigh the suffering from this pandemic. If we'd have little to nothing to return to, what's the point? Not arguing for the sake of being contrary to your point, honestly asking you and anyone else who feels this could happen, what that would look like. Mass job loss, economic depression not seen since the 30s, rampant homelessness, setbacks in education and innovation, the list goes on. I'm glad I'm not in charge of these decisions. I just have a hard time believing that setting an entire society back on such a level for such a duration is feasible. At what point should the difficult decision be made to take a different approach?

Some advantages and differences now versus any other economy time like the Great Depression is even before Covid 5.2% of Americans worked from home already. I've seen estimates that as much as 25% of Americans could work remote or from home. Throw in jobs that be done while keeping social distancing farming for example. Add in this is global spanning so everyone is in the same situation, no nation will be able to change that reality I think long term society as a whole would survive. It may look slightly different with less people driving to work but would that be a bad thing?

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An additional thing to consider after this is what about those companies that can work from home and realize they were just as productive in doing so vs. working on-site? Do they make it permanent, and save the cost of rent/upkeep/etc.?

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I think so. I listened to a good podcast the other day about this. Freakonomics maybe?

Now would be a good time to invest in companies who create/sell remote collaboration platforms. I have a feeling there is a current and ongoing boom in this area.

Microsoft is killing it right now. Between Teams as a collaboration software, the Office suite of products, and their Azure cloud computing side they are so well positioned in this environment.

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Could you find a link for that podcast again? I'd be interested, now that I can listen to podcasts while I work. ;^)

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I'm not sure how to link it, but I think it was Freakonomics Radio, episode 409, March 18th, titled "The Side Effects of Social Distancing". I hope that's the right one.

Thanks for the assist to both of you. I use the podcast app and couldn't figure out how to copy a link quickly. Upon a bit further investigation, it's pretty simple.

Good points. The problem though is how far up or down stream do you have to go to feel an impact even if you can work from home? I can work from home, and have in fact since starting a new job in December (I LOVE working from home). However, as an architect, if the construction industry slows down, due to workers not being allowed on job sites or due to funding in the event of a massive recession, what am I going to be working on? Nothing. I'll be laid off like a lot of other people. Fortunately I'm in healthcare so I'm hopeful there will be a boom following this fiasco.

But I agree, this is a global issue so whatever happens it happens to everyone for the most part.

I think society would survive, but would it be left in such a state that the damage was worse than the cure? I don't know, but I do know that 12 months like the last month will tax the American public in ways that we have never seen before. Poverty, depression, debt, all these things are happening now, and if we continue to be bailed out by the government our children will be servicing debt that I'm not sure can be paid off, particularly if major changes are made to how our economy is driven. Yes, America has been through some tough times, and as a whole arguably much tougher times than this, but society has never shut down to this point. And 25% of people being able to work from home seems astounding to me, as there are entire sectors where this is a non starter from the beginning. Manufacturing, food and beverage, construction, hospitality, K-12 education, etc cannot be done over a phone or a computer. I'm certain regardless of what this virus does, humanity will survive. But there are a ton of variables at play that may dictate what that world looks like, and I don't know how we can know what that is at this point. I'm not sure we want society like the one in the movie Surrogates.

I'm in one of those sectors where nominally working from home is a non-starter. The majority of my work is done on secured systems, so right now we're doing a lot of professional development and program planning. This isn't going to scale well temporally.

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our children will be servicing debt that I'm not sure can be paid off,

Our national debt is already at a point that it cannot be paid off. If someone wants to correct me on this please do, but the way our country works, I just don't see it happening.

As far as the current debt climate due to CV-19, the banks can surely bail us out. We bailed them out in 2008, time for them to return the favor.

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Not an expert, but an expert on Marketplace (NPR podcast) essentially said that the national debt isn't ever going to be paid off and it never needs to be, as long as the GDP increases at a greater rate than the debt long term. Essentially, as long as the debt is utilized to improve the US economy, debt is good.

Link here -- discussion of debt increase from COVID19 stimulus begins at the 1:00 mark

General explanation of Gov't debt

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Or until the markets begin to not believe that the new de t won't eventually work it's way around to the top of the stack to get paid off.

If it grows too much, servicing the debt will become too expensive.

If a prolonged war occurs that require a significant amount of deficit spending too quickly or some other calamity that ruins the economy for too long

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Hmm. Some other calamity that ruins the economy for too long, you say? Well shit...

I worked from home for over 6 years, in a previous job.
My wife is a dentist and is prevented from having her office open by government edict.
She performs emergency work but loses money on every case.

I know that my boss can't keep this up.
At some point no one will have capital to run a business and no fool would invest.

At some point you have to open the ability to work somewhat before people start losing their homes and go hungry. Spain is seeing civil unrest now.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

Let me make that clear though is that LLC business owners are no employees and so they do not get pay.
Therefore many of these "assistance" programs do not apply.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

do you think the long term repercussions of that would be something we'd recover from?

I've seen a few people say stuff like this (we will never recover) and I just don't get it. Our country has experienced, survived, and recovered from far worse things in our history. Yes, we will suffer economic hardship in the immediate aftermath but COVID-19 is going to economically affect every country on earth to some degree and it's a far cry from the country being physically devastated by an actual war.

So yes, we would recover. In fact I'd guess the economy will rebound much faster if the health care system isn't overloaded and lives are saved in the process.

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I don't think we won't recover, per se. But how much will things change permanently? Also, we may recover for folks who have 372 years until retirement like me, but what about my parents generation who are 3-5 years from retirement? I'm not confident in their financial outlooks.

Lots of people will continue working until they physically can't anymore. Same as it ever was for a very large portion of the country.

We're kind of watching a real world Trolley Problem playing out in real time.

On one hand, COVID-19 is a disease that, if allowed to permeate, is going to kill off a significant portion of the human race, mostly targeting those with weakened immune systems. There will also be secondary casualties that are not able to be treated for other conditions due to an overwhelmed healthcare system that will also die, who would have otherwise recovered in the past.

On the other hand, we can shut everything down, risk an economic collapse, accept unemployment numbers upwards of $50m and likely deal with tens of thousands of suicides directly related to the economic shutdown, mostly impacting the young and otherwise healthy. A number that sounds like a lot, but is really a small fraction of the size of expected COVID-19 deaths.

So what do you do? Either choice you make, people will die. Take the one that will kill more people, but largely target the ones who don't have long to go as it is, or act, save far more lives, but knowingly sacrifice a larger percentage of the population that still has the majority of their lives ahead of them.

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I agree. No good option, really. Tough situation and tough decisions to be made. I'm wondering if an approach that focuses the isolation and protection efforts on the most at risk population while allowing those with less risk to continue with their lives is a viable alternative. Obviously it would require extremely strict adherence or it wouldn't work, and may not be feasible anyway. I have zero background in such issues, so I may be way off base. Just a thought I had and figured it was worth discussing.

To expand on that, my family has done a good job of social distancing and staying out of public during this mess. This past weekend, my wife asked me if her grandmother could come see her great-grandkids, and I obviously objected due to the fact that she's 92 and the obvious risks involved. She rebutted that she had outlived her parents, her siblings, her friends and her husband, and if she couldn't see the ones that she loved that were left in this world then what is the point of being locked in a house waiting on a future that may never come. I didn't have the answer and still don't.

This is such a unique situation that delves into so many areas of life as we know it. Things that are right could be wrong and things that are wrong could be right. We are not numbers or test subjects, we're humans. Tough, tough times. Everyone stay safe and know that there will be an end to all this. It's going to be a rough road.

Agree, and to your point as well as Fireman's below, we're already seeing things that just make me shake my head. People are dying of other things due to no health care capacity for those issues, and what is worse, I've read a few stories of people with terminal illness dying alone in a hospital bed or mothers giving birth alone because of risk aversion due to Covid. I'm sorry, but if we can't even see our loved ones on and off this mortal coil, what the hell is the point. That is just wrong, in my admittedly uneducated opinion. This shit sucks.

Adding to that trolley equation is if we make the decision to open back up and hope Covid doesn't overwhelm healthcare while trying to save as many as possible you will see more deaths from things like traumas and accidents since there won't be enough treatment places/options/meds available for them.
We live in NE Florida not a hotbed YET, but last night the hospital system sent my wife last night the list of medications they are short already of, supplies like IV fluids they are rationing, this doesn't count the PPE and equipment shortages they have had for over a week. So for example using my wife's specialty if you come in for your screening colonoscopy you won't get it now, while for most people this isn't a huge deal, but for a percent of the population this means their colon cancer won't be caught early enough to treat without resection surgery, and that's best case for some it means dying from cancer.

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Based on my limited observation, rural Virginia is still struggling to fully accept social distancing. Of course the more urban areas practiced it better but that is where the hotspots are. Some in rural areas feel validated by saying see, it didnt work for them and we are not getting any spread. It isnt correct thinking but I understand how they get to that thinking. I also think the media and leaders could do a better job of explaining the incubation period and why it is important to take it seriously before it shows up.

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The Kale marketing folks should be called in to get information out to the public. They did one heck of a job for Kale (and pork.........you just finished the slogan didn't you) in the past and would do wonders for information now.

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Which slogan is this?

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Drove through southside of Richmond today and those folks don't seem to be taking it seriously either.

Rural folks have a point, a lot less people and a lot less contact. I'd love to be out in a rural area right now. Maybe next week...

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They are at somewhat less risk but if it hits these rural areas, it is catastrophic. They don't have the facilities to handle the surge of sick and dying. Take Albany, GA for example.

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15 miles south of Roanoke is very rural if you travel 1 miles off of rt 220.
More cows per acre than people by far.

Most of friends out there can walk for 20 minutes and not get to the nearest person.

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I hear the beer's pretty good out there too.

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Just picked up two cases of stuff from that area this weekend.

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We are getting g by on being able to bring our beer to a delivery point and allowing pickups from there.
So far SML and Roanoke delivery points are keeping us alive.

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So I haven't been able to find a clear answer on this but I'm assuming a stay at home order means no going to any sort of park/nature area to walk the dog? Obviously we will still have to go outside to walk him but with the stay at home order in NC, I imagine we're only supposed to walk him around the neighborhood at most? I was also hoping I could go fishing at a public pond nearby, but I doubt that would be allowed either.

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I need someone to clarify exactly what really changed with today's announcement. I read a summary and the only thing I took away from this is that Liberty absolutely needs to shutdown everything that is in person.

If they see a group of 10 or more they will break you up and could charge you.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

so basically its no longer a strong recommendation, its an order. In reality we should have all been doing this any way and there shouldn't be any additional impact to our new norm, right?

I took away from this is that Liberty absolutely needs to shutdown everything that is in person

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only real change is they closed the beach.

Governor basically said if you aren't violating in a large group, nobody will enforce anything. Nothing really changed for daily stuff.

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depends on the park. If public and highly trafficked, then probably not. That fishing spot in the public pond is probably a no-go. You should be free to go on an isolated nature walk or fish in a remote area.

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From what I've seen, today's announcement wasn't much different from the order that set up the essential/non-essential business. Today's shut down beaches and camp grounds. However, beaches are still open for "exercise and fishing". Basically, you can't linger on the beaches as seen by photos of some VA beach areas over the weekend. So fishing is fine so long as there's no groups around (and it shouldn't be. its fishing afterall though I could see a scenario where maybe people congregate around a dock or boat launch point).

You can still walk a dog in a park or so as that constitutes exercise but you have to follow strict social distancing guidelines already in place. You cannot be in groups of 10. I'd suggest picking secluded areas to walk. If you go on a walk around your neighborhood or park and see people out, don't bother going there. I've seen photos and videos of parks in metro areas where people are sorta staying 6 ft apart, but there's still like 30 people at the park. Even if you're spaced out, that's starting to defeat the purpose of social distancing. Wait until another time when you barely see anyone around.

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Item 1.e allows you to engage in outdoor activity, including exercise, provided individuals comply with social distancing requirements

also in Item 5, it allows fishing in public beaches, so I'd imagine a public pond would be OK too if you are complying with the distancing requirements.

Maryland enacted the same, effective at 8pm today

Among the ramifications if you don't comply with the order is upwards of a $5k fine and up to a year in prison.

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I'm guessing that's more pointed at people organizing and inducing large groups intentionally rather than just individuals. But still, means people have to take it a little more seriously.

It would probably help if the college kids in Blacksburg didn't keep having house parties and sharing beer bongs and then smashing liqour bottles all over the street. They were told to stay home, they didn't. Northam gave an order to stay home, distance yourself, etc. They just had a huge blowout after the announcement was made. F'ing morons.

Can you share some specifics?

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I can. My wife went for a walk on the Huckleberry near Harrell street last week. No less than 6 parties going on in that general area with 40-50 kids at each one...

Damn! Hope she wasn't down-wind...

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Lol me too. Dumb shit like that will extend and increase the severity of the issue.

For all of you who (like me) like to dive into data and modeling, see this link:

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

As with all models, there are assumptions and uncertainties. These models are clearly presented with the range of possible outcomes and they describe their methods at the top. Note you can select the country as a whole or any individual state from the drop-down menu. The impacts will be felt for many weeks and months, and for example, Virginia is not expected to hit its peak hospital resource use for about another 6 weeks.

Hunker down, keep your distance from others, wash your damn hands, and please be safe.

Interesting that VA and MD show peaking much later than the surrounding states. Any idea why? I thought it might be something with the DMV area, but it shows DC peaking April 18th.

It's a model. And the downfall is there has to be boundaries used at some point. The physical boundary of the state is what's used here, but in reality the amoeba shape won't be that defined. When the larger states are averaged, that why the peaks are different. Also shows the limitations to the reporting state by state. Each has it's own requirements, testing protocols, etc.

The county I'm in in DE has 81 cases. All MD counties that touch ours (4 counties) have like 10 cases TOTAL. Boils down to the testing and reporting. MD wasn't doing any, DE did a push 3 weeks ago and have continued. That info will skew a projection because the data set when compared to others in the same model aren't complete.

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Here is a copy of the official mandate by Governor Northam, for those who want to read it

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Was a little surprised to see it in place through June 10. NC is until April 29

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From a strictly law school student perspective (and not a political one at all), I can't wait to see the result of all these emergency powers v. 1st amendment (assembly, religion) challenges that are for sure going to happen to in the coming months. That's all I have to say about that.

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I'm excited to see them relinquish everything once it's all over

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I would imagine every judicial decision will be very narrow, and tailored to the specific facts of the current situation. Due to the extreme uniqueness, I doubt they would set a true legal precedent one way or the other, but it should be interesting.

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I imagine there will be a lot of "act of God" thrown in there... or a whole lotta Chewbacca defense...

Wife and I are criminal defense lawyers. The 4th amendment (search and seizure) implications are going to super...interesting.

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Can you elaborate for the ignorant (on this issue) among us (me)?

One big issue is going to be when this stuffs lifted and people all need to pay up on rent and utilities, dont think people realise they will owe the balance not that theyre there rent free atm which will lead to alot of cases due to eviction. My fiance is a defense paralegal and theyre going to be busy as crap once the courts reopen.

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I've heard stories of people getting pulled over for being out during the lockdown, cop pulls them over for no other reason than they're driving their car. Asks where they're going. To essential job/hospital/whatever 'authorized' destination they had. Cop tells them to go on their way. No issues there (from a practical perspective).

What if the guy was drunk? Or had a bag of drugs or a gun or a 'high capacity magazine' (in a state where those are verboten) sitting on the seat?

Typically, or theoretically at least, a cop has to have probable cause or reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime was committed before he can initiate a traffic stop.

Are courts going to (continue to) hand wave around 4th amendment issues? Are we going to have the 'public health crisis' exception to search and seizure law? If 'I thought he was maybe breaking the lockdown order' is good enough to make a stop, we're basically back to 'show me your papers.'

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14th v. 4th. Probably my fault for not laying out the nuance of our hypothetical well. Complicated by the broad brush touchy feely language used in the lockdown orders.

State has the authority to legislate as it relates to public health. That case would seem to answer the question 'does a state have the power to implement a lockdown in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19?' in the affirmative.

It does not speak to whether or not law enforcement can stop a random vehicle and demand information. The way the lockdown orders have all been written, with loopholes and exceptions you can (literally) drive a truck through, my motion to suppress the stop and throw out the drugs/gun/contraband would argue that the officer did not have a valid reason to believe that my hypothetical client had or was committing a crime, even taking the lockdown order as an enforceable law. (Which is an entirely different question fraught with all kinds of community guidelines violations)

For what it's worth I agree with the shutdown and think that everyone should stay home and haven't been within 10 of anyone except my wife in almost 3.5 weeks.

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Not so fun fact, this court case was used by Justice Holmes to justify Buck v. Bell which permitted compulsory sterilization of the "unfit....and intellectually disabled"

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As a follow up to this... Delaware police are now pulling people over for no other reason than having an out of state plate (with the exception of interstates). Comes after Delaware put out a travel ban. From
What I've heard they aren't doing anything except turning people around to go back to their respective states, but still. Getting closer and closer to completely reason-less traffic stops.
Link to article. Also a big problem since PA liquor stores are all closed and now none of us Philly people can go to Delaware for booze.

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There's a stay at home order. And a 14-day self quarantine for out-of-state residents. Out if staters were rolling into the state just to drive around the beach area, grab something to eat, or spend a night or two at their beach house. Many of them from areas that have rates climbing quickly at the moment. Yes, they should be pulled over. Tell me what a VA tag is doing in Lewes, DE. What's essential? Sussex county has over 100 cases and 3 deaths so far. If you don't need to be here, don't come here.

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Is this... smart? Could you accidentally mistake the glare for an actual emergency vehicle if you're not looking at it directly? Unless the lights don't actually reach the ground somehow.

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I'm in Midtown Atlanta. Every night at 8pm when the hospitals shift changes, everyone goes on their balcony and starts cheering. It's pretty cool see the support our health care workers are receiving. It's incredible how much effort they're giving us.

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Good tribute, but it doesn't help the providers losing benefits, getting pay cuts, working more hours, reusing non reusable PPE, not having PPE, isolating themselves from family, etc. The providers/nurses will continue to work through this to help people because they did take the oath, but when this is over I bet there will be some unrest among medical personnel about occupational safety and the control of admins that have no medical/clinical experience.

Take a breath. It's not about hazard pay. It's not about what's going to come out of this, or a potential strike, or statues being built. It's a light show tribute. The Empire State Bldg can't cut checks, or make masks, or deliver supplies. Take a breath. Don't criticize this to make a completely unrelated point.

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Eh, while I agree with you on some level, I think hokiebuzz makes a valid point. Not to get too political, but with the push towards a $15/hour minimum wage, I think there will definitely be some unrest in the medical professions, especially among nurses who, after earning a four year BSN degree, make barely over that per hour in many areas of the country. The last thing we need is a vital profession with a shortage of workers going on "strike" or whatever term you want to use, due to pay, right after this whole fiasco.

And that has absolutely ZERO to do with a light show on top of the Empire State Bldg. Its using a strawman argument.

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I have no idea what you are trying to prove. I have no issues with the light show. I'm all for supporting our medical professionals. I'm married to one, and depend on hundreds of others in my career. I don't think Hokiebuzz was saying the light show was bad, per se, and I know I didn't say anything hinting at that. But using this news story as a way to ask the question about how else we are supporting them and what ramifications could occur as a result, is a completely valid discussion point. Perhaps you read something into the comments that weren't intended, I don't know. My thoughts summarized: the light show is great and let's do everything we can to maintain morale in our health professionals, but let's also make sure they are equipped to do their jobs safely and paid well to do it, because I don't believe we are currently doing enough.

The White House just had a press conference that announced that in the best case scenario 100,000 to 250,000 Americans will die due to this virus over the next couple months. And that's if we do everything perfectly from here on out.

For those still holding out hope that life will return back to normal anytime soon, marinate on those numbers for a while.

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Why do you post this with an "I told you so" attitude? Are you proud ?

I'm likely to not have a job, forgive me for holding on to the hope that things are going to get better.

NC just officially went into stay at home orders statewide. It's disappointing that Floyd the Barber can't cut hair in Mount Airy with their 1 case, because of Raleigh, Charlotte, and the Triad.

In a week or so, it really should be time to put away the sledgehammer and get out the scalpel

THIS IS WHY You know how often I read or hear this kind of shit every day? Fuck we still have people with the ear of important elected officials at all levels who STILL want to compare this to flu? My state Florida is about to get bent over by this because our state government won't take firm action and instead it's a patch work of cities and counties.

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please stop using one commenter's poor form as an excuse to justify another commenter's perceived poor tone

this is a serious matter.

there's no sense in anyone being smugly self righteous about it -- both from a "see, this wasnt as bad as you thought" perspective or a "see, this is way worse than you thought" perspective

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It's not one person. This board and the real world outside of this board are filled with this attitude. It's disheartening and scary as shit.

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These are scary times and we all share your fear. This situation is unprecedented and the effects are more far reaching than we can individually comprehend. If you really want to change peoples opinions and work towards more positive outcomes, try to work on your tone and delivery. Have a positive impact on as many as you can and avoid blanket persecutions which likely only push away those you need to influence the most. We all have skin in this game, whether we admit it or not, and we all want this thing to go away, whether we downplay it or not. This is not an individual issue.

We are close to the tipping point where asking for people to do the right thing will become forcing people to do the right thing. We have talked on this board about this for well over a month. Sometimes hearing the bitter truth is the tight medicine.

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We KNOW. Take a breath. You can't save everyone all at once. Take a breath.

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You may very well be right. But being offensive only galvanizes any opposition.

Just thought I'd mention... since I seem to be on your mind here lately... that my family and I have complied with every order, recommendation, or passing suggestion that the CDC and local/state officials have handed down during this crisis. We will continue to do so. This is a serious deal.

My point will still stand though... Raising questions about where we are going to be as a nation, and how many deaths or livelihoods being lost occur because we intentionally hit the kill switch for an indefinite amount of time on the world's largest economy does not justify pariah status. We are basing all of this on one school of thought. There are other scientists... from Stanford, Oxford, and Carnegie Mellon (you know, those junior colleges) who believe that this may not turn out as bad, and that a more localized approach to the social distancing measures would be more effective, so as not to send us careening toward the next Great Depression.

Treasury officials are predicting that over 30% unemployment in June is possible. Do you know what that looks like? Yeah... me neither. I did see Hunger Games though.

You bashed another guy for trying to have some hope. That is exactly what is needed here. Our government needs to start addressing the nation in terms of some light at the end of the tunnel. We can not exist in abject uncertainty for two weeks, and then at the end of two weeks, told it's another two weeks. If we can't have hope, and at least discuss this crisis from different angles then it ain't going to be COVID-19 that kills us, brother.

Leonard. Duh.

Easy on the "government needs to..." Opens up a political door that Joe won't tolerate.

There are people on every side of this. We get that. It's an unprecedented time for EVERYONE of us. Every projection will be wrong. Maybe close, but wrong. Stay safe and find another outlet for prognostication on this subject.

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Didn't think I was really taking a political stance, but... it's all good. Ima take your's and Joe's advice down below and chill on this thread.

I just haven't been feeling very Leonard lately, and I'm sorry for that. I hope you and your's and everybody and everybody's are making it work while we go through this.

Leonard. Duh.

Dont worry APrimusHokie has alot of them kind of days as well

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How this has anything to do with my comment is beyond me. Any chance you get to beat your chest on how much smarter you are than everyone else is mind boggling to me. It doesn't matter what we talk about, this is how you handle it.

Basically what you are saying is anyone that has hope things can better are idiots. I social distance, I quarantine, I take it seriously. I ALSO HAVE HOPE. You can't take it from me asshole.

You can and should have hope, hope people take it serious and we get through this with the fewest deaths possible and the least overall damage to people. Not sure why you think I'm smarter than anyone I'd you read how I write it's fairly obvious I'm not. What I'm not though is ignorant to the truth of how serious we should be taking this. It may not be what people want to hear but right now worrying about short term economic impact on people on the world isn't high on the list of concerns, making it through this with less than a million people worldwide dying is.

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Then you should choose your words differently.

Would you feel the same way if you were losing your job? Your home? Tough to answer that question, no? You have an extremely abrasive way of responding to those who don't lineup perfectly with your thought process. Why someone can't be concerned with the economy and the virus doesn't make any sense to me.

Yes because those are my realties right now also. I'm in no different boat than anyone else, in fact my boat is easier to tip since we are a one income household.

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making it through this with less than a million people worldwide dying is.

Hell, the 100k-250k numbers are dead Americans if everything goes perfectly from here on out. We very well could be looking at numbers at or above 1m dead Americans if people don't start taking this seriously. We still have 17 states without full state-wide stay at home orders. We still have 6 states without any kind of stay at home mandate. That 100k-250k number, that assumes everyone self-isolates and enacts perfect social distancing precautions until this goes away, and we still have 6 states that aren't even trying, and 11 others that are only dipping their toes in it, including the entire southeast except for Louisiana, Tenn and NC.

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YOUR state just issued a 30-day stay at home order.

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Yep too little too late. Hell my county had the beaches open until last weekend. Luckily and honestly surprising the mayor of Jacksonville took a firm hard line fast on this compared to most of the state.

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Yikes...

For the first time since World War II, there will be no Wimbledon this year

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Well this sucks. I'm sure they would've preferred to postpone like the French Open, but my understanding is that court maintenance makes it impossible to play this later in the year. So cancellation was the only thing they could do.

I just realized the Master's won't be played next week.

This thing must be serious.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

That article could have been 1 sentence long. "A confidential report we can't share says China's number of deaths was higher than reported."

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Mrs. Lwyr and I were zooming with some friends on saturday night. Friend asked Mrs. Lwyr what we thought about the numbers coming out of China.

Oh. Wait. You want a serious answer? Still Michael Keaton.

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This is an extremely stressful situation for everyone, and everyone has an opinion on what's happening and how to handle it. There have been plenty of insightful comments from TKPers around the world. But there have been some bitter ones too. Please take a break from this thread for the the rest of the day. Remember that everyone has a family and loved ones. And TKPers are proceeding from a well-intentioned perspective, even though it might differ from yours.

[raising a glass] Virtual toast to TKP - we all need a drink right now

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Good advice. I would add that while this topic may be a bit divisive by TKP standards, I think the community should be applauded for its civility relative to other places. Cheers.

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pfft... who's at work? everything is safe at home. Silver lining!

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Me. I have to go to work.
Everyone else gets to enjoy working from home, I'm still going on my 45minute drive.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

There are worse occupations to be stuck at during the apocalypse. I'm sure it becomes more mundane as time goes by, much like any other job, but still...BEER.

If you play it, they will win.

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I used to have a 45 minute drive each way for work. 8 years. Man, I miss it right now.

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Still at work here. I close the door to the office and when co-workers have to talk to each other we try to stay 6 feet apart.

Ditto my man, although my drive is only 15 minutes. It's almost impossible being productive trying to stay ahead of the outbreak and attention it dictates, but the inverse is we likely have nothing to return to when this thing clears. Oh, and my wife is a respiratory therapist at the local COVID-19 designated triage hospital. No stress in my life.

Even after the long NFL career and Super Bowl wins this is still the first thing I think of when I hear about LeGarrette Blount.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hout is currently coaching:

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We now have to disclose our health conditions every morning when we come to work ie temperature, whether we have a cough, sore throat, all this and if we were to lie we would be terminated. Also now the state govt has passed an emergency 80 hours of paid sick leave if you contract the disease.

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We have been forced to affirm the lack of symptoms, close contact with a known carrier, and travel outside the US in the lack 14 days, and then have temperature taken by a screener. We are restricted to using one entrance and exit (except in case of emergencies), and if you leave the controlled area you must be re-screened before re-entry. "Screening hours" were initially restricted to 7:30-8:00 and 12:00-1:00 -- this led to groups of employees all queuing to be screened. Management's suggestion then was to eliminate the lunch screening time and require everyone to stay in the controlled area for the duration of the work day, which was met with such an employee backlash that not only did they scrap the idea, but they widened the screening hours so that concentration of the employees was less likely.

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Yup we are seriously reduced with most people working from home right now so its not bad here, we submit our daily report via sharepoint to an excel sheet to let the company collect the data easiest. We all had to move work areas to spread out which actually I dont mind the space makes a usually tight operation much roomier.

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On a scale of 1 to leaving loaded guns within reach of a toddler how irresponsible is this?

I'm not trying to say Dabo is completely awful for prognosticating about this, but he's not the kind of person who should be issuing "zero doubt" forecasts about pandemics.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Cheesy, perhaps a bit irresponsible, but he signs any 5 star he wants, so he is great at marketing and motivation

Well, bless his pea-pickin' heart!

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What do we hope happens with the Clemson Dynasty?

TIGERS

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I hope VT can recruit better players to compete with them, Ideally

For sure, but that's still a pretty funny comment.

Leonard. Duh.

I'd go a "1".

Dabo is as entitled to an opinion or belief on this as Kirk Herbstreit is.

Reasonable citizens know that Dabo is not a doctor issuing a prediction based on science or even "modeling". He's just throwing out a bit of hope.

I've said it before, there is absolutely no way of knowing what the landscape is going to be out there by summer, which is 2.5 months away.

Even 1.5 months ago, did anyone even fathom that we would be where we are right now? Our policy makers sure didn't. (or, at least they certainly weren't projecting that.)

Leonard. Duh.

Even 1.5 months ago, did anyone even fathom that we would be where we are right now

Bruh, you've been constantly downplaying this on the board. Yes people fathomed it! People warned it! You have been the "but what if" guy. Could you please let me know when we can use a scalpel? My barber wants to know.

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Stop. You are instigating a fight. And I promise nobody wants to be called bruh and preached to by a guy named flatearther (joke or not). Acknowledge that there are differing viewpoints on this and move along.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

I'm sorry there are not "differing viewpoints" there is right and wrong here. I ask anyone who doesn't think this is a big deal to go listen to FDNY scanner for an hour and listen how many calls they are going on for "cough/fever" and how often they end up doing CPR or pronouncing someone dead when they get there.

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The comment was related to how soon we get through the worst of this, not how serious it is. Geez, you have to relax on the judgment. There are absolutely differing viewpoints for how we move forward

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

We totally get the severity. But constant non-stop doom and gloom is not helping matters. I don't see what is wrong with someone with no real authority or medical background simply saying we are going to get through this soon. Even in the worst of times, public figures have to be somewhat uplifting. As Churchill said during WWII, " Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

It's bad and we know it. But it's ok to try and be hopeful is all I'm saying.

The death toll is out there and rather public. No secret. And given the overall actual death number in the US, no, no significant number of NY EMTs are pronouncing people DOA after CPR at their apartment. Has that happened? maybe, but it's anecdotal. The total US death count is less than 8K people.

Yep, nothing to see here. Only 8K confirmed coronavirus deaths in 2 weeks. Make sure you get your flu shot.

Yep, never said anything remotely close to that.

Sorry. I guess I misinterpreted you whole comment as minimizing what exactly 8K deaths in 2 weeks means. I read your comment as "No, first responders aren't doing CPR because only 8K people have died." I guess I really don't know how to read it any other way...

Again you can go listen for yourself. If someone dies in their home without a positive Covid test how do we know what they die of? FDNY is running about 2,000 EMS calls extra a week right now but I'm sure it's nothing. Why am I not surprised you would be one of the "it's just the flu crowd".

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LOL- stop projecting your bullshit on me please. Thanks. Where did I say it was nothing? Where? nowhere. There is a huge canyon of space between reality and this being a really shitty and dangerous virus and Hokie Fireman's anecdotes. Thanks

Respectfully, can y'all please let this train of inevitableity derail via a private email conversation?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Co-sign. If we get into another sub-thread of pointless bickering, I'm shutting the thread down and deleting any future ones related to coronavirus.

This thread is for sharing relevant and helpful information. If you can't do that, stop posting.

You might as well do that now. There are too many emotions flowing about this pandemic. The bickering is inevitable.

I respect differing opinions. What I highlighted in Leonard's post is a flat out lie and I expressed as such. Just because you or Leonard didn't fathom it doesn't mean no one did. We were warned, some chose to ignore

Umm... is this real? Has he seen the backlash the T.I.G.E.R.S. Preservation Station and it's owner Doc Antle (ironically within Clemson's own state) is getting after the release of Tiger King? Yea, it's the Clemson Tigers, but that acronym isn't too hot right now.

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Okay. So he doesn't appear to be copying the "T.I.G.E.R.S." acronym (with periods after each letter) of Doc Antle. It was just Hale, who may have wittingly added the periods to mimic Antle's acronym.

Well, this may further fuel the Dabo Tiger King memes that already been starting up:

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Someone with photoshop skills please use the "You goddamn sonofabitch" meme of the dude getting tackled by a tiger, but put Dabo's face on the dude and the LSU mascot head on the tiger.

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