May 2020 VT Recruiting News Thread

Discuss and share any Virginia Tech related recruiting topics from May 2020 that don't warrant their own thread

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May 2020 247 Embeds:

(not exhaustive, and no particular order):

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Crazy to think that we could land every single one of these kids, have a class of 24 commitments, and using the class calculator on 247 would still only have the 19th ranked class last year with a score of 250. Makes you realize that an expectation of landing a top 15 class is VERY lofty.

Very lofty. It's probably a similar sized leap from, say, #45-50 to #20 as it is from #20 to, say, #14.

I'd be happy to make the first leap, spend a couple years proving we can hold there, then worry about making the second leap.

First leap? VT's been in the 20-30 range most years since the early 2000s.

I mean the 15-20 range. Solidify that, then climb to the 10-15 range.

I can dream, that's allowed.

He claims to be the #1 player in SC, but 247 has him rated as a 3 star? Something doesn't add up to me.

according to 247 rating he is 4* and #1 in SC; according to composite he is 3* and #3 in state

I only count 3 stars, what am I missing?

Edit: Just in case it's coming across the wrong way, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really do want to learn more about football recruiting.

If you click on the link the 247Sports non composite ranking gives him 4*

Vroom Vroom

247 has their own rating system and does a composite rating that is an average of their own plus the other major recruiting sites. So 247 rates him a 4 star, but the other sites don't, so his composite is a 3 star.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Thank you for explaining! That makes more sense now.

Honestly we should all ignore ESPN rankings of kids.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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247 has him as a 90-rated 4* and #1 in SC

edit: glug glug chumps i'm wfh today

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

13 is an.....odd number

Looks like Clemson needs to do a better job of locking up the state...

SC has been nabbing the states top recruits for years. Hasn't seemed to make much of a difference for them though.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Did not make his top 6

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

he did not actually commit on sunday either

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

14th P5 offer, 90 rated by 247

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I never ever expected to see a Hilton Head recruit pop up here...

(add if applicable) /s

When we getting some commits??

my wife is a Miss State alum/diehard and i've followed Keytaon Thompson's career at Miss State, AMA.

/s

What are the numbers looking like this year? How many are we expected to sign?

Any idea how many players UVA is signing?

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Tech should sign a full class this year.

GIVE ME ALLLLLL THE LINEMEN!

So how do we feel about him, we got a shot?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Very very good shot. He's become really close with Lino, to the extent that they will continue to be friends wherever he goes to college. He's also close with Philip Riley

Gimme Gimme Gimme!!!! Heavy shoulder with size and instincts, my favorite Safety target on the board. While I see your presence LA, had a few questions. Where do we stand with CB McCutchin from Texas, CB Damond Harmon from Highland Springs and DE George Wilson from Green Run?

There's no glory in practice and lifting but without practice and lifting, there will be no glory!

McCutchin is going to OU and I don't think we're really pursuing the other two

Thank you as always for the knowledge.

There's no glory in practice and lifting but without practice and lifting, there will be no glory!

This means I should talk shit to McCutchin on Twitter every time he uses #TX2VT or tweets a turkey, right?

Vroom Vroom

Just another top 10, which we're in.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

This is impressive company

We are always in impressive company

Unfortunately being in impressive company doesn't guarantee 'sealing the deal'. As we are unfortunately all too aware of.

HTHokie93

Does he have time to play football and shoot Stranger Things?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Somewhat interesting article breaking down his Top 10. I get why the SEC attracts top players when they win championships and get so many players drafted but the recruiting pitches he details sound nonspecific or even ridiculous (could be that they are slow playing a player like McMillon though).

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

First crystal ball for DJ Harvey came in this morning - for the good guys.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

From a national recruiting analyst, no less!

Obligatory:

Two new crystal balls for Jack Hollifield today.

First clip on his tape the linebacker hits the ground so fast it looks like he might as well have run into a wall.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

So, if I've done my math right, class of 2023 makes him a Freshman. And he's 6'5", 315!?!? That's a big dude for that age.

With his size, and offering this early, I'm wondering if he's not planning to reclassify into 2022 and graduate high school early.

Obligatory:

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Obligatory

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Jeesh, tough crowd.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I offset your downvotes. But in the interest of keeping thread sizes and load times down, and maximizing signal to noise, let's minimize repetitive gif embeds

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

OK, I will respect your request. But after thinking about this all night...
This site is starting to get too controlled and less fun. Now we are moderating against Gifs. Times have definitely changed.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

In the defense of "too controlled" by then end of the month this thread is impossible to open on mobile because of all the external requests that gifs/embeds call.

(add if applicable) /s

Which is why I respect it, but it still shows where we've gone. Sad

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

My request was just an attempt to put into words what the general sense from the community in the recruiting threads has been over the last few months, not at all to "control", but I can understand why it came across that way and also bc mod. Mods aren't the ones downvoting the gifs or comments.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

For what it is worth, it isn't funny or clever when it shows up over and over. I haven't personally had load time problems, but it makes sense on threads like this with a lot of relevant embeds, to limit the irrelevant ones.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

it isn't funny or clever when it shows up over and over

Yea, OK, that never happened before here...
Insert Dr Evil "Right" Gif....

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Take it how you please. Not sure who thought it was downvote worthy, but it may be worth taking the hint.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

edit: never mind

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I would much rather have something actually funny showing up over and over than something not funny showing up just once.

The problem is there's too little of the former and too much of the latter.

I am not a paying member so no right to complain but I have seen the obligatory beef gif 35 times in the last week....I was definitely growing tired of seeing it and then bam two in a row. I had a feeling this was going to result in beef! I think a simple enough of the beef gifs was all that was needed.

Sean

Kinda like the "recruit plz"

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

meh ... Not a fan of the "insert name plz" begging myself. I would rather see a gif of a longhorn repeat.

FYI, I am taking the mods reco, I just am observing the change in the community. Thanks for the feedback across all of you. We all have an input to this community. Go Hokies!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I've definitely toned down the Name Pls and the Anagrams in the last few months. There's still place for TKP Memes, but it's a matter of timing and not just quantity. If I opened up a recruiting thread and went post by post with "Joshua pls" "Jaylen pls" "Tristan pls" "Thornton pls" "Etc pls" I would earn every single one of the downvotes I'd catch.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I've missed the anagrams, to be honest

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I also liked the anagrams. anagrams plz

I downvoted this
It seems contradictory
I did not downvote

Ah, I see Haiku
Your command of syllables
Impresses. Well done.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

listed as class of 2020, so either grey shirting or PWO is my guess

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10038132/Drew-Monin

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

where in the hell did he get that graphic for us

2004

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Off the bookstore t-shirt from 2001

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

2 CBS for the Irish on Philip Riley, looks like

Up to a third one today. Abrupt change from last month.

Edit: Another flip from VT to ND.

Guess his folks don't care that Brian Kelly killed a kid...

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Damnit. I felt good about him.

Marshall University graduate.
Virginia Tech fanatic.
Formerly known as JWillHokieAlum.

Maybe there was more to that "mom wants to see the campus before he commits" thing than met the eye.

There is no way seeing NDs bland campus is what swung someone.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

I went to the VT/ND game at ND last year and I didn't understand the campus hype. I know I'm biased, but VT is a MUCH prettier campus!

This is maybe the most homerish/ignorant/uninformed statement I've seen in any recruiting thread

Really? I mean I have been to ND's campus multiple times, there's nothing special about it. It's not a campus that drops your jaw, Louisville is the same. Tech, UNC, even UVa have a very nice aesthetic appeal. Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky are better than average, Purdue is also just blah. Nobody who has seen several campuses is ranking ND high on the list.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

agreed. stadium is fantastic because of the nostalgia. campus is middle of the road.

And they are ruining that old school feel of the place recently.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

+1

I went to the VT/ND game last year as well. I was even able to visit the locker room, indoor practice facility, trophy room and meeting rooms. We tailgated steps away from the entrance and walked most of the campus. I was on the field for pregame and we had prime seats. I will also add, in my younger naive years I was a ND fan - because they were always on tv in the early '80s. I was completely underwhelmed. Atmosphere was bland until the last 1:30 of the game. Blacksburg hands down has South Bend beat.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Can absolutely agree with this. Us VT fans in the top section were making wayyyy more noise than ND fans in the whole stadium. Lane atmosphere>>> ND atmosphere.

Vroom Vroom

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

That's a big bull

THANK you

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Unless the Irish have their campus open, or they totally made up the whole wanting/needing to see a campus first, these crystal ball changes may go back and forth.

My guess would be they had extended him one those lovely "non-committable offers" and when it looked like he was on the verge of signing with someone else, they got in his ear about making it commitable.

I wouldn't think we'd give a "non-committable offer" to a 4 star.

No but Notre Dame might

Depends upon your needs and place on the food chain. If you look at ND roster, they have 10-11 CB listed currently.

Just estimating, but you would think that Max #CB for then this cycle would be 2-3.

When you are at the top of the food chain, you might be able to slow-play a 4*, if you don't hit on higher-rated guys, then they become a take. If they commit to someone else in the meantime, that makes it likely harder to do.

To be clear, most P5 teams play this game, VT included. Its just our "non-committables" are prob mid-low 3*. Its a crappy system, but it shows how vital it is to have Recruiters on staff who are "closers."

It seems like when our momentum with him became public multiple competitors put the full court press on him. Perhaps sometimes recruiting sites giving out info may backfire. He may well have let those schools know himself, but it would be a real shame if ND got the fire lit under their ass because of some crystal balls of him heading elsewhere on a recruiting website.

Without knowing him, he just seems like an impressionable kid. And if his mom isn't going to let him commit until he takes visits, I have a feeling there will be another favorite at some point.

Sigh

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

He's gone

Top-5 for Jaden Lindsay

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm really liking what I'm seeing from Vance Vice. Now if we can just get a thoroughbred back there to run through those lanes.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I believe that's a drink....

Edit: For Skutt!

VT recruiting drives me to drink. That works for me.

Guess mom got a look at campus.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

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What is she saying here? Reading lips, it looks like she ends with "fornicate".

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

or...you're seeing what you want to see. Just sayin.

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Somebody please clear up some confusion for me. Riley says he's not committing until he (and mom) can see campuses. It's a recruiting dead period (just verified on NCAA website it lasts until May 31). How does someone recruit or alter a recruits decision that drastically, that quickly (without coaches being able to talk to him)? Oh, and presumably without visiting campus (because apparently that's what was keeping him from committing to Tech). I'm assuming if he visited campus (just showed up), it would still be a recruiting violation for the coaches to talk to him. What am I missing?

Who said he wasn't committing until he and his mom visited? I hadn't heard that.

My bad on that. I just went and looked at the April thread. Somebody posted that, but gave no embedded tweet or news quote or anything to substantiate it. Still wondering how seeing all this stuff about ND "making a push" to get him and the massive swing in crystal ball selections from national recruiting analysts during a recruiting dead period is even remotely legit. I didn't think the coaches were allowed to talk to the recruits, let alone "make a push."

Pretty bizarre that what, 2 weeks ago?, he tweeted at two national analysts that he had made a decision and both of those analysts put crystal balls in for VT. But whatever recruiting seemingly makes even less sense than usual right now.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Coaches can talk all they want. Just a dead period for in person recruiting. "Question No. 1: May an institution's coach video call a prospective student-athlete to conduct a
tour of the institution's athletics and on-campus facilities?
Answer: Yes. A coach may video call a prospective student-athlete to conduct a campus tour. A
video call (e.g., Zoom,โ€ฏSkype, FaceTime)โ€ฏisโ€ฏconsidered a phone call.โ€ฏ However, telephone
recruiting restrictions (e.g., first opportunity to contact) continue to apply to prospective studentathletes and coaching staffโ€ฏmembers." Ncaa.org

(the campus reason was an excuse to push back his commitment to VT)

This kind of sounds like the kid was all in on VT per crystal balls and rumors he wanted to commit ASAP and the parent(s) were all in on ND. As I learned from last months thread parents have the ability to say where their kid will and will not go to college regardless of what the kid wants.

It's went from FSU to Minnesota to Washington to VT to ND in pretty short order. I have a feeling this isn't over yet.

But he's 1000% committed!!

Got pretty down about the recruiting rumors (DD in particular). Got off to make dinner and thought on it. Ya know we have a chance to have a good season this year (god let there be football) and even next year. I love following the recruiting but I love the guys we got in the boat already too. There's no sure thing when it comes to the mind of a high schooler but we got some dogs that love being Hokies too. It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom. Perspective and all that. Let's keep our heads up Hokies. This all may end up being a bunch of nothing on signing day and I still think we have a great chance to have an awesome class this year.

The thing is you absolutely can't follow up a class like last year's with something similar. This crew needs to get it going this year

Remember when ONE month ago, VT had all kinds of recruiting momentum? Wow, have things changed...

Vroom Vroom

Jordan Poole, OLB West Stanley HS 3* .8466 (Who I think is criminally underrated) will be committing in June. Think it's down to NC State and Virginia Tech. I project he'll choose NC State. Poole projects as a DE, and State has done a great job on selling him on the Bradley Chubb route.

I know Poole is considered a low 3* and that will turn a lot of you guys off on him, but I think this guy has game changer abilities, especially if he slides down to DE and will turn out to be a really solid player.

Think I saw somewhere he has family on the NC State team. Agree with you though, he is an impressive athlete. He'd be a good get if we could swing it.

So Wiles could be another ex VT assistant to win a recruiting battle against us? Great...

Wiles isn't the recruiter for Poole, it's Tony Gibson and Todd Goebbel

He may not be the primary recruiter listed on 247, as those are usually based on region, but recruits do also communicate with their potential future DC's/position coaches. There's no way Wiles hasn't been in contact with him throughout the process.

Davis just de-committed ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

aaannnddd there it is

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I picked a hell of a year to actually pay attention to recruiting since there's absolutely nothing else going on.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Staff not wasting any time pursuing another dual threat QB from Texas.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Reposition the boat, reset the jig and cast again. Come on with it Lucas. Let's big dawg the Razorbacks.

Maybe someone like Dax can send him the film of the Belk Bowl?

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

class of 2021 is a whole big oof

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

That's a nice frame. Like how the staff just goes out and keeps working.

Fernando Garza is committing tonight. Between A&M, Pitt, and us. My money is on A&M.

Edit: A&M it is

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Anyone got an idea on where things stand with QB Cam'Ron Ransom out of Florida? 247 claims we have an offer.

BC and Kentucky would be stiff competition. Watched his highlight film and I like it.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

3rd P5 offer

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just got a crystal ball for Landyn Watson to VT by LSU insider

Ruh Roh...

I'm looking for a confident "ruh-roh" gif of, I think, RDJ, but I cannot find it.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Unless I see something about someone being 1000% committed (and nothing less), I won't get my hopes up.

Unless I see something about someone being 1000% committed signing their LOI (and nothing less), I won't get my hopes up

FIFY

Is coronavirus over yet?

CONSPIRACY!!!! DD only decomitted in order to get more highly rated guys on board !!!!!!!

***coincidence i think not!*** gif inserted here

Now post a youtube video linking Bill Gates to Auburn and the great hand washing conspiracy of 2020

This would be a hell of a long play.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Feel free to make a new thread for discussion

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Now what's say the magic word GGC come on it's your favorite the letter word

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

6th P5 offer, 93-rated (247) 2022 EDGE, also same high school as the hollifields, also looks like he's very ready to hit a QB at any given moment without any notice.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Tyrell Raby, ATH out of Baton Rouge, LA got an offer today.

He's cousins with Latrell Neville, who's been advocating on twitter to get him an offer for a while.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Might be together just not as Hokies

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

3rd P5 offer, class of 22

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

idk how much "top 15" means anything when there's so many schools. but it's ....something (?) after Grimes left us out of his top 10

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

First string All Name Team right there. Makes me miss living in Hawaii.

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

I like this guy a lot. His film looks pretty good.

Any interest from staff?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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We get all them Highland Springs dudes

Delray Beach is Dadi and Maddy, right?

And clowney and flowers...may be more

Mark Leal? Jayron Hosley?

About 99% certain Hosley went to Delray...

My question marks were actual questions, not snark. I think those guys were from the Del Rey Beach area, but I don't know any of the schools there. (Atlantic HS does sound familiar.)

Can confirm my fiancรฉ's 98 year old grandma lives there too. I've even driven by Atlantic High School.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

17 P5 offers

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

5 P5 offers

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

His 24/7 profile pic is the same as Rashaud Pernell...

We put the K in Kwality

....not sure if serious.....

that's the 247 equivalent to this TKP avatar

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We put the K in Kwality

Is Lee seen as a late bloomer or is the offer more of a reflection on the staff's current standing with higher caliber DE targets like Brown, Watson and Gilliam?

Lee is a DT. Love his film too

I always thought it was weird when recruits put out a "top" list but also say recruitment is 100% open. I mean, I get why but it just seems contradictory

teens = contradictory reasoning/explanations

dunno, seems normal to me

I always took it to mean the recruit doesn't have a favorite between the finalists...so in this case we would have a 10% chance...๐Ÿค”

I've always taken it as "These are my Top 10 of my offers, but am willing to consider schools that haven't offered me yet."

Click here to destroy wall.

Throwing out a lot of new d-line offers. Wonder if that means Tech isn't positioned well with Brown, Watson and company.

Discourse thread pls

Vroom Vroom

For those who read too much into twitter...

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

......is this you reading too much into twitter?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

lol not me... don't shoot the messenger!

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

What a savings

Annnnddd it's gone

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

and it its place we have

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm pretty sure this means he's in the middle of a turkey hunt.

Any chance linked to Davis' commitment tomorrow? Am I being overly hopeful?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I feel like the Vols are the only "big dogs" here. He may want to be on that defensive they are building. Otherwise I feel oddly good about this list.

no auburn is...intriguing

How recent has LSU's interest started?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Hopefully Houston Mark Berman doesn't jinx it like VT Mark Berman would.

I don't mind if he jinxes it for UHou.

I thought Auburn was the poaching him?

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

Could be wrong but my takeaway from the video is that the decision to de commit was more family based, also interesting to note the first school he mentions is Houston which is super close to him, maybe Houston is in his ear that they will become a more powerful program once schools can start paying athletes

Go for it

Makes sense, Holgerson has had better offenses and as good QB's as Fuente has over his career

Does it though?

Houston is an AAC program that went 4-8 last year.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Anyone know if Dee and Watson are close? Seems both have ASU on their list, so wasn't sure if there was a connection for both of them.

I know Dee has shown some support for ASU and Herm in the past, so I wondered if that may have played a part in his decision moreso then Auburn.

WR Jaylen Jones out of RVA commits tomorrow; 247 with a cb to VT

Not that I read too much into crystal balls, but Jones has picked up 5 more for Virginia Tech in the last hour or so - all within the last few hours until his announcement. I don't really know how 247 calculates all their figures, but if you click on his rating history he's top 750 in the nation and is an in-state guy. Would love to see him in Chicago Maroon and Burnt Orange.

I'd love to see all of our guys in Chicago Maroon and Burnt Orange instead of the "Beet Red" and "Blaze Orange".

personally, i think crystal balls about 24-48 before an expected announcement are valuable, or if you see a string to one school it's a sign. otherwise it's just conjecture imo

i think it's a good sign that 247 has him rated higher than his overall, i tend to trust their rankings more than other services but then again im just some rando on the internet so what do i know

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

so...is that short for Of The Mega?

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There's another Omega we are targeting in the 757, O-Line I think.

Y'all better be ready, us millenials have kids in middle school. Get ready for some names to drop.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

so does the apostrophe have a sound or alter the pronunciation of the name? I'm all for apostrophes whether it's the Irish apostrophe for a long O sound, the glottal stop sound in Hawaiian, or just for show like D'arcy Carden.

๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ ๐Ÿฆƒ

Yes, changes it from Omega to Kevin

(add if applicable) /s

I was hoping for a glottal stop, but Kevin is probably the right answer.

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Classy commitment video. That's the kind of guy I want playing for the Hokies.

Let's go! 804 baby!!!

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

El. Psy. Kongroo.

Spoiler alert: this isn't going to go our way.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Interesting. I think this isn't going to be done until signing day regardless of who he commits to next.

Maybe not but I'd bet my house that he doesn't end up at VT.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Maybe not, but he did say he wanted to take visits. I assume he'll commit to someone and then take visits, decommit and commit again. So, if VT gets the first visit or the last visit, they have a shot, if they don't, then he gone for sure.

So... safe to say he won't be visiting VT now?

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I'm going to hope the staff pulls the OV so he doesn't have the chance to use it so we don't waste it. He showed his true colors about the school. If our coaching staffs pitch on Twitter is "either you're with us or you're not" this is a good spot to show that's true.

Nope, I bet he takes all his visits

I didn't say he won't visit other schools but VT isn't going to be one of them. He salted the earth and, right or wrong, the staff has shown that doesn't sit well with them. It's pretty clear they are on to the next target.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I want to believe he's sticking to the original commitment, but I'm prepared to be hurt. Again.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

He's gone. No use in getting your hopes up and getting any additional heartburn over it.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

If I'm Fuente and Cornelson, I'd be dumping all my recruiting efforts into Lucas Coley at this point.

Beau did post a tweet that seemed to appear he was quite happy?

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Not to be snide but probably more related to the guy who just signed with us than the guy who left, right? Would love to see Dee Davis back, but I doubt Beau would rain on a new commit's parade.

I thought he said he was going to take all his visits?? Is he jumping from shiny object to shiny object? If I'm his parents I'm telling him to wait to take visits if he wants but no more dee-commitments

As long as he doesn't pick Miami I'm ok with it. And actually auburn too just cause.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I predicted it would be 50/50 whether he was going to take OV before announcing a new commitment.

Timing suggests he already knew where he was going when he decommited.

Interesting that the in recent interview he did not mention Auburn as a one of his top schools, they still seem to be the heavy favorite, with 93% CB and 2 new ones within the last 48 hours.

Will be interesting to see if there are any CB changes tomorrow evening, if so, that will probably tip off the new school.

Agree that there may well be more twists and turns in this before December, but unfortunately, the the way this has gone down does not bode well at all for VT.

I don't know what the full situation that led him to de-commit was, but I would be shocked if he ends up at VT now it's looking like Auburn, Miami, or Houston

Go for it

It's so weird, he said this morning his top 3 were A&M, LSU, and VT....but 24/7 still put out more CB's for Auburn.

Hokies get a CB for Chance Black. Running Back out of South Carolina

Rivals has him listed as a 3* WR. It looks like he was mentioned as a 2021 RB recruit in a 247 vip article but I don't pay for 247 (it was an associated article). Honestly from a numbers perspective I'm not sure we need more running backs and receivers in 2021, but I'm no expert. However, I do love when we have versatile players we can move around wherever and would welcome him with open arms.

Any idea why he's dropped from his initial rankings - looks solid to me?

At first glance I read this as "Hokies get a CB for Black Running Back out of South Carolina." I thought I missed out on some new recruiting clarification method.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Hokies get a Chance Black for Chance Black?
Hokies get a Corner Back for Chance Black?

I'm so confused

Not offense to the dudes we got but can we get some guys over .85 grade. Those are numbers that the AAC and low ACC usually gets

Four out of our six commits are over a .85 grade on 247. Not that that's outstanding, but it's still too early to say anything definitive about a recruiting class. Especially this year.

I was hopeful at first but there has been no chatter from our camp. I feel that he is keeping us in his three because he said he would. But who knows.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Every insider says Auburn. Just a smokescreen for showmanship or whatever. If he picks anyone other than Auburn then it will truly be a huge surprise.

Douche move in my opinion if that's the case

I disagree as long as recruits are honest with the coaching staffs.

Twitter showmanship is one thing as you're not directly lying to anyone you have a personal relationship with. I'm more critical of guys who go into signing day having told more than one, sometimes every team with a hat on the table, coaching staff they are coming and then leave the others scrambling to fill the spot they were holding so some kid could feel good about insiders being wrong.

I can see that perspective but it's not the fault of the recruits, much less any single recruit, that things have gotten to this point in major college football. It's like adults getting pissed off about participation trophies when adults are the ones buying them for kids in the first place.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

I get where Chris and you are coming from, but It comes off as a super dick move to publicly list 3 schools then likely commit to another. I mean if you're all in with Auburn, just say it. It comes off as a troll job in my opinion. Especially after being the biggest VT cheerleader for 5 months then dropping them like a bad habit. I've been quiet on purpose about this topic, but this just rubs me the wrong way. If he commits elsewhere tomorrow, I'd be happy to never see his name on TKP again.

He's just trying to keep pressure on Auburn to drop the bag.

It's all for attention honestly. Everybody knows he's going to Auburn.

Going to Auburn...for now

*types up "Welcome back! See, you guys overreacted about Fuente" doc*

*types up "Figures he wouldn't re-sign. Fuente isn't gonna last this season" doc*

*waits until Sunday*

Just picked up a CB for this 3* DE. He's not as big as the others we've been pursuing, I wonder if he projects to something different? Has 7 Power 5 offers.

I disagree. I think he is the perfect size for an AAC strong side defensive end.

Since when is 6-3 230 small for a senior in High Schol?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

When my puppy wakes me up 5am and I read it as 203 (which I thought would be great linebacker size). So, sorry, that's my sleep deprived bad...

Auburn lmao. Why can Chad Morris with one winning season in the last 5 years steal a QB from Fuente the "offensive guru"

Because most recruits care more about getting to the NFL vs. winning in college.

If they care about getting to the NFL, Chad Morris doesn't have any track record of getting his own QBs there...

He coached Watson for essentially half a year at Clemson. No one else he has coached in college has made a dent in the NFL at QB.

To a 17-year-old kid, a half-season of Deshawn Watson is better than a mediocre starting QB (Dalton) and a first-round bust (Lynch).

Uhh Morris only really got one year with Watson though bud and they didn't even win the Atlantic. Their offense also got way better after Morris left.

The only pitch Morris can offer is "how would you like to be the next Tahj Boyd"

In fact Morris has never really done anything to show his offenses are better than Fuente's except have players like Sammy Watkins Andre Ellington and Martavis Bryant. He *could* be a better offensive coach but it's hard to really tell, there are no great comparisons.

Maybe chad morris is not a better coach, but a better recruiter than fuente.

Why exactly are we comparing Auburn's offensive coordinator to our head coach like that's apples to apples again?? If we want to compare coaches, it's Fuente to Malzahn OR Cornelsen to Morris.

Malzahn has an even stronger reputation as an offensive coach than Fuente and was largely credited with Auburn's national championship. Morris flopped at Arkansas and you can debate his merits as an offensive coach but he's still a far bigger name than Cornelsen. Most people are going to take the Auburn coaches on name recognition alone but I can't say I'd argue with anyone who said Auburn has stronger coaches either. We obviously need to see more from Fuente and Cornelsen at the P5 level.

All that said, it still makes very little sense to juxtapose Fuente and Morris in this situation.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

This is hilarious. Chad's offense at Clemson from 2011-2013 were all better than any offense we had even 2016. That offense won them games against Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, FSU, Auburn, and VT every time we met.

I also love that Fuente gets full credit for all his offenses and Chad gets his discredited because he had good WR's and a solid but unspectacular back like Ellington. He also had all-world running back Roderick McDowell, we better knock him for that too.

If you can't see how wildly biased that take is I don't know what to tell you.

Also, the idea that Clemson's offense got better after Morris left has a lot to do with the foundation Morris built (they still run his offense, using his playbook), and because they have had two first round QB's since then, the first of which (Watson) Morris was the primary recruiter and primary reason Deshaun Watson came to Clemson. Morris left them with enhanced recruiting, and a very solid foundation on offense. The talent on the team increased in all areas of the field and naturally their recent offenses that won championships may be considered better, but they had better OL's, better RB's, and elite QB's. Also, there are a lot of metrics where the 2013 Clemson O is still one of if not their best and most explosive offense. I wouldn't personally call it their best one because I would pick a Deshaun Watson led offense based on him alone, but there is an analytic backed argument to suggest it was. Also, Clemson fans aren't too happy with their play caller at the moment. They thought Chad was too aggressive, and Tony Elliot is too conservative and uncreative. So much like any other fanbase they like to complain a lot too.

edit: I just realized this wasn't the damn Discourse thread... I was confused by the fact that all these new posts were DISCOURSE in the NEWS thread.

Let's redirect these convos to the discourse thread.

Me when I first read a post suggesting that that Chad Morris was a bad OC:

Then, when more and more people started agreeing that Chad Morris not a good OC:

Thanks for setting the record straight.

I've always been a Chad Morris fan; I wanted VT to hire him in 2015, and I thought he was a great hire by Arkansas. I was clearly wrong; he doesn't seem to be a good head coach (although, he decided to take one of the toughest job in G5, then again in P5, so I do think he needs to be 'graded on a curve,' but I digress), but I see no reason to believe he's lost the ability to be a good OC. His Clemson offense is my dream offense. Everyone is a threat at all times, the receivers are always blocking, and it's just fun to watch.

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2nd Year Auburn alum slated to start for the Patriots this year. Hard to imagine that going real well, but not a bad look for Auburn QB's at all.

Having Cam Newton as an alum doesn't hurt. The pitch of "playing against the best competition in college football" week in and week out doesn't hurt.

It's Auburn, it's Gus, it's the SEC. They're loaded with 4 star talent, and play very competitively against at least 3-4 top ten teams a year. Hate to see him pass on VT, but not that hard to understand.

It is if he wants playing time at QB. In my opinion he won't ever see the field for Auburn at QB, however, and this is not a built in excuse, because I'm not of the "this is okay" camp but if we could afford to miss on a bigger recruit this year QB was the position now next year we absolutely can't. We really need to nail down some good d-line and linebacker commits, grab a couple good dbs too and maybe one higher rated player we weren't expecting and I would be happy.

Go for it

Wont ever see the field? Why, because they have a sophomore QB who will start the next 2-3 years?

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

I don't know if he will be tall enough to be a QB in the SEC truly, he throws good but I think even at VT he could have faced an uphill battle at his size not saying he couldn't do it or that it's okay to miss on him in recruiting but that it could be a struggle to stay at QB at his height mainly against higher level competition

Go for it

I mean Johnny Manziel did alright a 6 feet.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Comparing his mobility to Manziel is a bit of a stretch but nevertheless I guess we will all find out, I wish him the best and I hope we can move forward now

Go for it

Not comparing his mobility, I'm comparing his height as you brought up

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Well Johnny manziel wasn't good because he was sub 6 foot, Johnny manziel was good because he was magic with the football in a way not many have ever been before at the QB spot and no offense to Davis but he's not on that level.

Go for it

My point is we don't know anything about any of that yet. I only used Manziel as an example because he was 6'0 and a 3 star recruit. DD is 6'0 and a 4 star recruit who is athletic enough to maybe make up for his height, and if he is then he'll definitely see the field at a place like Auburn.

I just sit on my couch and b*tch. - HokieChemE2016

Because Justin Fuente isn't an offensive guru

And 4 jobs in 6 years

I don't really care all that much that Davis decomitted and went to Auburn. It doesn't bother me that much that he pulled some bogus Top 3 and went with Auburn anyway (that kind of thing just makes you look bad, not any of the other schools so you do you). But this kid said Auburn isn't the same league as Virginia Tech academically. That's not true. They aren't really that close at all. You want to play football in the SEC, that's fine but at least get your facts straight. I won't think about this situation beyond ten minutes after I finish reading Hokie sports news for the day but I read that from him and I'm like "dude, stfu".

This kid really pulled a 180. For me anyway. He went from being one of the most humble high school athletes I have seen that just gets it. He was blazing his own path and didn't care what others thought. Now he drops his first choice school, decommits, promises to still keep his official to VT, throws up a fake top three, then commits to the sexy SEC school. Boy he had me fooled. Next up.

"You don't stare into a rearview mirror"

Folks, discourse thread !!!

Meanwhile, Lucas Coley just posted #TX2VT on Twitter, can't embed at the moment.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

This is what I'm talking about. A lot of back and forth between him and Alec Bryant, Tre' Turner, and Christian Darrisaw.

Looks like Ahmari Huggins-Bruce had his original CB for us flipped to Louisville, and then gained about 5 more for them.

Remember a month or so ago when I said he needed to hurry up....

Because we have commits beating down the door?

it's not about having other commits beating down the door, it's about giving the kid "all the time in the world" and then he just flips his silent commit two days before signing day instead of 6 months. if staff is urging him to go public and to commit, and he doesn't and he doesn't and he doesn't -- how are they supposed to count on him as part of the class? move on to another target and get someone in

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

This. Less to do with Jones and more to do with AHB

if staff is urging him to go public and to commit, and he doesn't and he doesn't and he doesn't -- how are they supposed to count on him as part of the class?

Simple, you dont. Silent commits dont mean a thing. You make it clear that unless they are ready to make it official, you will have to keep recruiting that position of need. To give a kid an ultimatum 9 month before NSD, is a bit much, especially considering our recent lack of success. We arent Clemson where we have multiple 4 and 5 stars all vying for select spots, where you can give ultimatums 9 months out.

You make it clear that unless they are ready to make it official, you will have to keep recruiting that position of need.

we're not saying anything inconsistent with each other in theory, but where we differ in practice is that you seem to think that what you just said isn't the same thing as the "ultimatum" to go public.

Recruiting isn't an infinite resource exercise -- either AHB is getting the attention and time and energy, or someone else is getting the attention and time and energy. "we need to continue recruiting the position to cover our bases" is pretty much "we don't have the resources to keep doing this if you're not on board"

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My best effort at parsing this is that Jaylen Jones just made his non-silent verbal. If there were multiple WRs silently staking claims for limited spots, maybe Jones triggered the staff to advise everyone else that the seat is taken, so the other kids are moving on.

Ding ding ding, we are getting a large class, but spots will fill up quick with momentum (which we desperately need). And Jones didn't feel like waiting, which he stated in his post commitment interview.

The band wagon is churning, let's go!

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

We already have 2 WR commits for this cycle so yea i'm sure there's a limited number we're taking at that position.

Gobble Till You Wobble

I'm either really really excited or pretty dissapointed. Please respect my decision โœŒ

Vroom Vroom

Probably just more Twitter game if we're being honest. I'd love to have them both but the odds of them being on the same team are probably slim.

Me getting my recruiting hopes up immediately after having them destroyed

Gobble Till You Wobble

The OL is going to LSU.

Dont do this to yourself.

If this is legit, almost definitely not a good thing for us.

I have no "sources" but Leigh has long been rumored to be headed to one of the Tigers and I don't think we are nearly as close on him as we would like to think (see: Henderson, Treveyon).

Brown I think we have a legit shot at, but reading between the tea leaves, he seems pretty enticed by LSU.

Vice has pulled some great things out in Recruiting, but this might be too much, particularly considering the overall trajectory at this point.

Not gonna happen. Leigh is probably going to OU, PSU, or Clemson and Naquan is not a take at any of those places. He's probably not even a take at LSU. Naquan's options will probably end up being pretty limited if he waits much longer, while every school in the country would save a spot for Leigh

It does seem kind of crazy that a player that is currently ranked top 10 in the country for their position could not be a take at most schools. Not disagreeing with you by the way, just trying to wrap my head around the idea that either his ranking seems to be too high or just that his list of schools might be over loaded at that position.

The only prospects that will truly define this class is whether or not VT is able to sign any of the following: Leigh, Brown, Gilliam, Tyleik, and Watson AKA the best OL/DL talent that are even remotely warm towards VT. If Leigh and Brown are indeed now a package deal, then I will assume that means LSU won the battle as a lot of the recent chatter surrounding Brown has him leaning to the Tigers.

With Gilliam looking strongly at OU, that leaves Tyleik and Watson as the primary focus of the staff. If VT misses out on both, then it will definitely be another class ranked in the 60-70s range.

Sadly, after getting a better look at VT's dearth in recruiting capacity (Sons of Saturday podcast), knowing how far ahead the truly elite programs are in terms of funding, marketing, graphics, staff, facilities, etc., the debacle over the winter with Fuente and Baylor, how even the mid tier ACC teams are performing better, as well as the downward trend of the program over the last few years, VT will probably end up at or possibly even worse than the final 2020 recruiting rankings.

Appreciate this post. If you don't mind, it'd be better if you copy/pasted this post into the Recruiting Discourse thread. This is the recruiting NEWS thread. I made the same mistake not 20 minutes ago. I saw all these new posts, all of which were discourse, responded, only to realize it was the NEWS thread.

No longer in SWVA, but 247 lists his best offer as Arizona State. Have not watched his film, but I'll take a "preferred walk on" RB of that caliber from SWVA, a la Steven Peoples. P.S. I wish we had not burned his shirt so that we had one more year of him at the end of his career.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Tech Lunch Pail interviewed him recently, the staff is talking to this kid.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Last month I was singing the praises of Jordan Poole as someone who VT had a real good shot at but was criminally underrated. He is no longer criminally underrated as he moved up 618 spots to #65 overall, #4 in NC, and a 4*. VT is in good shape with him, but he will now get a lot more offers so who knows. Good to see the recruiting services finally catch up to my eye for talent.

247 has been talking up Poole as a riser in the next rankings update for awhile. They came through on it big time.

Jalen Stroman, Tyleik Williams, and Donovan McMillion all got bumps as well. (VT Targets)

Landyn Watson took a small dip and is now a 3*.

Neville dropped to 3* as well

While we're on the topic, I recently noticed that Latrell Neville was had slipped down to a 3* as well.

Edit: Cheers!

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

So he's more likely to end up at VT now?

Forgive what might be a dumb question. Why does Jack Hollifield's ranking keep going down?

He's losing his skills by the day

j/k

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think his rating is still based on being a LB. I think he's going to play offense though. And as a TE prospect, he's not an elite pass catcher, but he'll definitely be a really good in-line blocking TE/HB. Those guys aren't typically rated really high but are vital recruits.

I think no one is sure exactly where to play him. Some staffs like him as a DE too.

This may be a better topic for the discussion thread, but I believe it's because of his position, or lack thereof in 247's eyes. He's been listed as an athlete, inside linebacker, and tight end (honestly not sure what he's currently listed as cause his current position and history page don't match).

As a complete side note: why is he Jack when his brother is Dax? Shouldn't he be Jax? Like some Mortal Kombat shit?

I love Poole's film, athletically there aren't too many people out there like him, but ranking him at 65 strikes me as a bit high. Most of his Hudl is him playing RB or free safety, I get the sense he's going to be a bit of a project.

247 has made a big push to re-evaluate what trends are going on at the NFL draft. And what's hot right now is LBs that were undersized but could fly around in HS.

picked up offers from Florida State and Boston College

Tony Grimes just got multiple CBs today to UNC of all places. I said it about UVA and I'll say it about UNC...i kind of hope it happens so we can beat his ass like a drum for 4 years

With the type of recruiting that they're doing lately... Iono about that.

Miami kicks our ass in recruiting every year too and we see how that goes. Recruiting isn't an end all, be all

But is a somewhat accurate indicator.

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Is it just me or does it seem like 6'5"+ 300lb high school lineman are growing on trees these days? I blame the hormones in the milk

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Hormones in the milk, meat, processed food, fruit and vegetables.....๐Ÿ˜‚

Dang, a wave of offers to OTs in the 2022 class went out this week

Give us all of the Frenchie (Canadiens)

Vroom Vroom

Just offered a state championship QB in NJ

Like where the staff is going out and going after winners

Edit: Rivals embed sucks...

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Interesting, only 2 schools listed as warm. Us and Rutgers

Looks like Webb is transferring

(add if applicable) /s