OT: Golf Thread III (Spring Summer 2021)

It's the most glorious time of the year. The grass is greening up. The early flowers are blooming. Cutting blades are being sharpened. New holes are being cut in the greens in hopes that no more frost will show up. And you can squeeze nine holes in after work with the time change.

Oh, and The Masters!!!!

Figured the Fall/Winter Thread was good to close the book on, and start a new one with the first major of calendar 2021.

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Nothing like burying the lead.

Can't wait to tee it up this year. Gonna try for this weekend but we'll see. Would love to see Speith ride his win in Texas to the Green Jacket.

NERF! Where have you been man?

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Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Got really busy at work!!! Good problem I guess. And having a toddler is keeping me on my toes as well.

I think I'm set for this season. Worked mentally on some swing thoughts, and hit it well the past month. Just want some good weather, and some good friends on the links. The TS2 driver is extremely solid and kicked my M6 out of the bag. And think I've landed on the TP5 golf ball for this year. I love the ProV, but it always has issues in the wind for me. And living near and playing a lot of golf around the beach area, that simply does not work.

Hoping for a DJ repeat this weekend. (He's on my fantasy team too!)

BTW, go over to the Masters website to play their fantasy game.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Oh, I'm so ready for the Masters. Going to Vegas specifically for the experience of being there for the greatest golf tournament in the world. I actually haven't played this year and I live in Arizona which is a damn waste-I did hurt my back lifting so that's a bit of an excuse.

Heading to Olde Mill Friday morning for the annual spring trip. Sooo much fun. Gonna leave Saturday after the first 18 to head down for the Cup race. Mayyy head back Sunday morning for that round, see how I feel after the night race lol

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It has been awhile since I've played there, and I've always enjoyed it, but I've lost multiple balls on #1 fairway due to them plugging. Hope you have better conditions.

Middle of the fairway to the creek would be a swamp if there were a three month long drought. It's like walking on a waterbed lol 10 and 13 aren't too much better. But my gosh I love that course.

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At least you will have multiple opportunities to impersonate Patrick Reed with embedded ball relief requests.

Haven't played Olde Mill in 30+ years (high school). Would love to get there again. Would also want to play Primland while I'm in the area.

Do NOT go long on the first hole at Primland!

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Oh I am pretty sure I would need 3 dozen balls at Primland.

Not a golfer but we were looking at staying at Primland when we visit family in the area... how is the rest of the resort? Did you stay there?

LARGE! We rented the Cottontail cabin. It was spectacular. Nobody else around for half a mile. There are a lot of activities available, so you can do as much as you want to pay for, or just sit back and enjoy the peace and quiet.
Here's the view in the morning, taken from the deck. That's Pilot Mountain in the distance.

Hit it after a long drought, so the fishing was meh. The impoundments were WAY down but did nab a few tiny trout just for fun. The food was really good as well. We did a day trip down to Jolo winery, and will tell you that the food there was out of this world as well.

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Nice! We hadn't considered a cabin rental there but that might be something we should look in to.

It's fantastic. I have stayed in the main lodge and in the Pinnacle cottages. I recommend the Pinnacle cottages if you are staying in spring-fall. They are a short walk from the main lodge but have killer views and top notch accommodations. 3 restaurants on property: fine dining sit down restaurant, pub, and a family style (think Homeplace with a band) restaurant. Great spa. Good hiking trails. UTV tour of the property is fun. Really nice shooting ranges. The observatory is a really cool activity. The staff is very friendly.

Cons: Hard to get to. If you are visiting family in the area, you'll have some driving to do. Its about a 15min drive from either the North gate or the South gate to the main lodge. Expensive. I list this is as a con just so you know what you are getting into. Whatever your lodging cost are, double them and that will be the total you spend during your time there.

Thanks for the tips. What do you think it would be like in July/August?

Traveling with small children makes "hard to get to" the biggest factor for us. Cost is also a factor but we have pretty demanding schedules which means little tolerance for bullshit when we do get to break away.

Did you do a sporting clays course there?

July/August will be nice. It is 7-10 degrees cooler there than BBurg due to elevation so you won't melt. Plus there is usually a nice breeze. We don't have kids yet but we have wondered how Primland would be for a vacation with small kids. There is a game room and movie theater room. Its very much a place where you want to get there and stay. Going up and down the mountain each day to leave the property would be a drag. Its 15-20mins of switchbacks down the mountain at 20mph.

I didn't do the sporting clays course. I have done the one at the Homestead and was told Primland's is even better. If you rent one of the houses on property pack breakfast and lunch foods and a lot of your own alcohol. That will control your costs big time.

Is it still impossible to get a time there?

We stayed in Sep '19, so getting a time then wasn't bad. I'm not sure how it is now...maybe someone closer has an idea?

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If you aren't staying there it can be tough to get a time on friday-sunday in peak season. I call ahead about a week in advance and get a time usually during the week.

Going to throw this out there and see if I can find any takers. Early 30s mid handicapper living in NOVA whose playing friends all moved away to warmer weather looking for people to play with. I'd like to find some people to play with either weekday afternoons after three or on the weekend who enjoy having fun and being fellow Hokie fans would make it even better. Let me know if you are interested teeing it up.

I could be down. I'm only available on weekends, I'm in my late 20s and a bogey golfer typically. Although every now and again I can string together some pars and an occasional birdies (it's what keeps me coming back to play more).

Sounds like our golf games are pretty similar. Hit me up (kulisjr {AT} gmail) and maybe we can play a round.

I'm down. My availability is always all over the place. I could be available any afternoon pretty much probably. Work never takes up that much of my day unless we're super busy. Early 30s and around a -15 handicap.

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

Let's do it! Hit me up (kulisjr {AT} gmail) and play a round.

Are there any current members of the golf team or club team on here by chance?

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Playing Bandon in October 2021. I can't wait.

I know a group going this Nov. this year, and attempting 36 a day for 5 straight. I wouldn't make it!!! No way. (Instead trying to line up Scotland 2023...)

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Awesome, we are playing 4 rounds - 1 round a day. Dunes, Trails, Sheep Ranch and Pacific - can't wait. We are also bouncing around a scotland trip for 2023 perhaps.

Watched No Laying Ups' Tourist Sauce and fell in love with Bandon. Very jealous hope you have a blast.

Thanks. I'm hoping to play well enough to really enjoy it. My game wasn't as sharp when I played black wolf run a couple years ago and that took away from the enjoyment of Kohler- which is an awesome golf destination in its own right

Just went from 6 to midnight

Masters:
Winner: Dustin Johnson.
Top Foreign finisher: Paul Casey
Wildcat long shot: Matt Jones

Winning score -7
National Beer day on Master's eve. Beautiful night, windows open, getting ready to grill some shrimp, and G. Love on Spotify. Cheers to all Hokie Nation!!!!!

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I shot a 43 on 9 this evening. Not a bad round, but what hurts was the triple I carded on the par 3.

Great view!!!! Tighten up that hybrid and get it to 40 or below!

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I wouldn't mind myself going back to Augusta very much.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Greens are already showing some of the brown spots that are usually visible by Sunday as they let the course dry up and get fast. These boys are in for a challenge this week. I'm sure the tournament wants some revenge on the field after the golfers tore up the soft conditions in November.

I had a dream that I got mad that my mom spoiled the masters for me by telling me that she overheard Webb Simpson won. So I guess that's my pick for this week. He's even through 1 so I guess off to a good start? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Here lies It's a Stroman Jersey I Swear, surpassed in life by no one because he intercepted it.

If you're betting, he had great odds for the 6 ranked player in the world.

Respect. And congrats to Hideki.

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I had Xander so 16 really hurt me down to the core yesterday, but if there was anyone I wanted other than Schauffele, it was Matsuyama. Other than 15, incredible play with an entire country's expectations on his back.

Xander's post round interview was fantastic. He hit the shot on 16 perfectly - the wind just didn't work out. He was disappointed, but not devastated. And while the second shot for Matsuyama on 15 was tough, his play on that hole after that was what won him the jacket. He minimized the damage. A bigger number and Schauffele doesn't press on 16, because he isn't down by two.

The heat this week should have the Bermuda fairways popping all around!!! We've gotten enough rain to keep the rough decent, and the greens look fantastic right now! Hoping for a good golf season. Hit em straight everyone.

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I used to play A LOT but had to quit altogether in 2013 due to tendon issues in my shoulders.

Lately I've been feeling good, and I watched and enjoyed the Masters for the first time in years. So I dusted off the sticks last weekend and I've been out to the range 3 times this week to see if I still have any kind of swing; and how stiff/sore I got.

Ball striking was awful on day 1...small bucket, like 30 balls, maybe 4-5 solid hits...but no pain!

Spent an hour on the range on day 2 and I started to get things a little dialed in with the short irons and driver. But I was opening up way too fast and the mid irons and hybrids in particular were pretty ugly.

Day 3 was this a.m...45 minutes. Focused on keeping my elbows closer in, stance narrower, and making my initial takeaway (to waist high) more down the target line. Also worked on my grip a bit. Managed some nice controlled draws (rare for me, even at my best) and stopped spraying the ball all over the place. It's been so windy it's hard to tell about distance (didn't have much to begin with), but the solid hits sound and feel great and most importantly I'm playing without pain.

Hope to get in a round in the next couple weeks and then see where it goes.

edit: Played a half ass round today; lots of mulligans off the tee (I was killing it straight on the range...couldn't take it to the course, lol); but I parred 4 holes cleanly and putting was arguably better than ever. And no pain!

Hope to play a legit round before the end of the month.

As a guy thats had to deal w medical issues this winter, i applaud ur effort. Im working bak myself. Go get it!!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Really a reply to both of you...CBD oil. And, maybe some Vitamin D capsules. Its done wonders for my joints.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I might know some tech grads who have a line of it. Grow it and sell it. (It's not me.)

Cody Journell?

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Nah, he just steals it.

Well, he did date one of their neighbors back in the 2000's. So that's almost the same thing. Right?

And if this isn't crossing any lines, they're called Richdale Roots. Have tincture, sunburn creams, sanitizers, and maybe a few other things. A few family members did stray to other schools. But for the most part, they're Hokies.

My primary care physician at Mayo Clinic recommended I use it. Haven't gotten around to getting some.

Nerf: Thanks for that idea. I do have a CBD balm that helps for muscular issues. My medical issues are more complicated. I've got PMR (Polymyalgia rheumatica), so I take prednisone every day. Its finally under control. Getting through this over the winter cost me some strength, its slowly coming back.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

10-4. I used ibuprofen before for muscle pain, but it really didn't hit the joint pain. The CBD did. Both the total spectrum capsules and the CBD balm. Best wishes, and here's to getting back to the links to enjoy this frustrating game.

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Playing in a two-man "toughman" tournament tomorrow. I think it's mainly asshole pin placements and maybe messing with the tee boxes a little. Pretty excited.

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Do tell...is it like a superintendents revenge tournament? Cross Country? Or just really hard pins and awkward tees? And the two-man...scramble or just best ball? Or alternate shot?

We do an alternate shot, cross-country, par-3 at the member guest each year. "From the tee of 12 to the green on 16, over the pond..." It's fun. And frustrating. Enjoy!!!

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Highly doubt it's cross country, from what I can gather it's mainly stupid tough pin placements. Wish it was scramble but it's capt's choice. Apparently an old man is leaving the club and this was his choice of tournament lol we're pumped

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What is the difference between scramble and captain's choice?

Capt's choice is best ball all the way. Scramble is play you or your partner's best drive then own ball in.

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I had never heard of that definition of scramble. To me they mean the same thing, although I never heard the term scramble (as meaning Cap. Choice) until I moved to the midwest.

Yeah, they are the same thing. The playing the best drive, then your own ball on the way in is Preferred Drive.

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Scramble = choose the best shot in the group for every shot
Shamble = choose the best drive, then everyone plays their own ball
Caps Choice = same as scramble
Best Ball = everyone plays their own ball entirely, team takes the best score of the bunch on every hole

It was cross country. Not a fan. Had fun, definitely changed up a course I'm extremely familiar with...but I prefer it the way it's meant to be played lol

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watching Valspar...had a meeting there a couple years ago...I can still smell the mold

I finally joined our local club this week and I am playing my first round on Friday since October after dealing with back issues most of the winter. Anyone else excited that the bermuda is finally turning green?

Going to the Monday practice round at Kiawah next week. I've never been there before and am excited to walk the course. We have a trip planned there in September and will play the Ocean course. While I can't stand the guy, I'm looking forward to seeing Bryson hit some drives in person.

Seems not many are fans of Bryson....amirite, Brooks?

There is so much implied in the PS pic.

Flags are really whipping at PGA Championship. Ocean course is keeping these guys on their toes.

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

Played a legit round yesterday (goal to play by the end of the month achieved!)...quite the roller coaster...a quadruple bogey; 4 triples; 1 double; 6 bogeys; 5 pars; and one birdie for a 94 on a par 71. No rhyme or reason other than getting in and out the groove...most of the carnage came in a 6 hole stretch (+16).

Most importantly, I had a blast and there was no pain. Realistically, I'd like to hit the range or the course at least once a week; enough to hopefully establish and maintain some consistency without overdoing it.

Thanks to all who post here for the inspiration to get back out on the course!

That's great man! I'm really happy that you managed to get a full round with no pain. That's the biggest thing. Well done

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Played Whiskey Creek near Frederick, MD last weekend. Highly recommend if you get the chance. One of the nicer courses I've played. Shot 44-41 for an 85 on the par 72 track. But this was from the whites so I don't really count it. I was spending time with my father in law (we get along great), and I just played the tees he was playing.

If you have the energy and time, pull the double and play Worthington Manor and Whiskey for a 36 day. Worthington is fantastic.

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Shot an 81 today, 36 putts, at Auburn Hills. Best round of my life. Threw some darts on the front, got some lucky bounces on the back. Shot 40-41. Course is in great shape.

A gopher stole my ball on that course.

It's Time to go to Work

I shit you not, I saw 5 fox squirrels in the same hickory tree on #5. Two of them were banging. Three were watching.

Auburn is a roller coaster. One time I shot 77 with 7 birdies there.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Absolutely it is. I was fortunate to keep it steady today. Two birdies, bunch of pars. Love most of the track, absolutely hate a few holes (looking at you #15).

I always hated 5 and 13

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Agree. My list of "why'd they design these stupid holes like this?": 1A) 5, 1B) 13, and 1C) 15. Of those, I think 5 is more just tight/challenging, whereas 13 and 15 have structural issues with the layout that I don't like. 13 is a short par 4 that is reachable but too risky for me (I always end up in the cow pasture when I try this). And what's with 15's sloped fairway and the stupid pine tree blocking your approach even after a perfect tee and/or second shot?

15 is a middle finger to anyone that hits a draw. It's certainly a challenge.

It's Time to go to Work

15 is the worst golf hole I've ever played.

This is all pretty funny. I dont remember hating 15 that much, although the green was kind of funky. 5 was just hard. 13 was poorly designed imo. nowhere to lay up.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Agree for the most part. Since I've started consistently hitting a draw off the tee, and being unable to control a fade, the slope of 15 fairway kills me. Green is definitely funky.

Looking at the layout and photos online it is, in every aspect, the inverse of the courses I play. I'd need supplemental oxygen and a Sherpa that can read bentgrass greens...

Lol yeah it definitely has some elevation changes. Overall I think it's a pretty fair/easy layout. The few holes noted above seem to be the leftover areas after the other 15 holes were designed. But for the area, it's the nicest course within a reasonable (by my definition) drive and is pretty affordable. I don't think I've ever paid more than $40 for 18 with cart.

I played there once in college when I had first picked golf back up. I had zero business being out there.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Me and the wife are going up to Whitefish, MT next Thursday-Monday and I've booked a tee time at Whitefish Lake GC North. Major shot in the dark...anybody ever played it?

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I moved up to Wilmington, Delaware this year so I'm just getting to explore the area and play different courses. Playing Odessa National this weekend.

It's Time to go to Work

A month in and I feel like I've de-mothballed most of my game. I'm back to hitting a little fade (that's where my confidence is) and hoping mechanical improvements will offset less practice...there isn't going to be a lot of full swing practice.

Kept most of my old sticks though I cut down the hybrid shafts and did lots of tuning throughout the bag with lead tape. I did update the driver and added a 5 wood (closeout 2020 Rogues) and a 58 degree wedge. I also cut down the shafts on both new woods and added 3 grams to the driver and 2 grams to the 5 wood. Wound up re-gripping everything but the wedges to mid-size...easier on my fingers.

I think now it's a matter of getting used to having to make shots...and yelling "fore!"

I'm honestly not sure what most of this means, but I hope you figure it out and enjoy the game.

I am really wanting a new driver, 3 wood, hybrid/rescue, and irons. Pretty much satisfied with my wedges and putter. But damn if everything isn't insanely expensive...

yeah, crazy expensive.

Since I stopped playing, the technology upgrades in drivers in particular have been significant, especially in the area of forgiveness. [The technology in golf balls has also radically changed] Having demo'd the current offerings from Ping, Callaway, and Cobra, I knew I would benefit from retiring my old R7 Limited. The mis-hits on the current cohort go as far and as straight as my old dead center hits.

Callaway made the Rogue for about 3 years and I was able to find a new 2020 with the specs I wanted for $300...not too awful. Their "OptiFit" system is great and aftermarket weight screws are widely available...so very easy to dial in.

I love to tinker with clubs...always have. If you can add mass to the club head without losing swing speed (kinetic energy = mass x velocity squared), then there is potential to add distance (and change ball flight). [Keep in mind that a golf ball only weighs about 46 grams] It also adds flex to the shaft. Lead tape is cheap so I pretty much just retuned my old set to better match my current physical condition (or absence threrof). And I shortened some of the hybrid and wood shafts to improve control (I choke down on most of them anyway). [Mickelson got a lot of air time with his new longer driver at Kiawah. But most pros use drivers shorter than what we buy off the rack. There's a good reason for that.]

I am in the market for a new driver or at the very least a new shaft, so a few months back I wandered into a golf galaxy to start testing such things. I like cobra woods, but the booth that had those heads seemed to have a lesson going on there (psycho move, but whatever). So, after I grabbed the shaft I wanted I asked one of the employees "may I try one of the SIM heads?" Yessir! So he grabbed one for me, threw it on the shaft and set me up a booth. As I'm warming up and taking a few swings he is standing behind me going thru a bigass binder and finally after a couple minutes he says "ok, sir. With the SIM head and that particular shaft combo, you're total would come out to...$817, before taxes. Let me know if I can help you find anything else!" I played it about as cool as I could muster, but inside I was screaming.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

eBay...Find a shaft you like, preferably a year or two old. Look on eBay. Sometimes reaching out if things are just listed works. A lot of guys on there aren't looking to recoop 100% of what they paid, just trying to offset the cost of their newest experiment. Stay vigilent on eBay...set up a saved search notification for what you want. And don't get too specific. More "xyz stiff callaway" rather than "xyz 43.7 8" driver stiff firm abc grip..." Prices are ridiculous now. And the tech from 2 years ago is basically the same. I mean there are pros gaming the M1 and M5 vs the Sims. And Sim2 is just a new paint job more or less...

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^^^^^ x 1000

and then (imo) find the ball with optimal compression for your swing speed.

89 today on the same par 71; so a 5 stroke improvement from Round 1. Hit the driver very well (7/11 fairways), was poor on approach shots, and never got anything going on or around the green. No OB's (yay!) and only one penalty drop (water). 6 pars, 6 bogeys, 6 double bogeys...666...hmmmm.

5/17 update:

didn't play for score today...had a chance to go by myself between the morning and afternoon crowds and I jumped on it. Despite a very wet course (5 straight days with heavy showers), I moved back one set of tees to hit some longer approach shots. Also checked out a new ball (Snell MTB Black) side by side with ProV1 and the budget Srixon Soft Feel.

My notes show 8 clean pars and a birdie; that's close to where I'd like to be and largely the result of practice around the green. One step at a time...

Played Auburn Hills today. Needed a break, from lots of things. Wasn't too interested in a "clean" score so I played two balls, best ball. I was -1 through 12 and got bored with keeping score. AKA, the Twisted Tea kicked in. Beautiful weather and enjoyed the down time. I'd say I broke 90 but not sure by how much.

Glad you got out. This is the time of year I really envy the summer weather in SWVA.

Thanks. Me too. July and August rounds in NE Florida at my Mom's are often brutal.

How'd you like that Snell ball? I'm curious about trying them. I tried a Vice ball someone gave me. I didn't like the feel off the club face at all.

I was very impressed, it is a top quality, high performing golf ball in every respect.

I ordered the MTB Black and haven't played the MTB-X...and keep in mind that my driver swing speed is under 90mph...I'm not going to over compress anything.

To me, MTB Black feels fantastic off the putter face and irons, softer than PV1 (about 15% lower compression if you believe the stats) but not the hollow, marshmallow feel of the 40 compression balls and even some of the 60's. I got a little more spin on my mid to short irons than Pro V1 (I had three really good side-by-sides). You can be pretty aggressive around the green with MTB Black.

At this point I'm regretting not getting the MTB Test Pack which is 6 ea. of the MTB-Black and MTB-X (which has a little more compression than the Black but still a little less than PV1 and PV1-X). That would be my recommendation to anyone considering a purchase. I'm just waiting until Snell gets their inventory back up sufficient to sell in bulk, where their value will increase from really good to crazy good.

If a high quality spin ball improves your game, then his MTB line is really hard to beat. Unless/until someone else matches Snell's business model, I can't see buying anything else.

This article is from 2020 but check out the stats tables at the very bottom.

https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2019/septembe...

Dean Snell is THE man in the golf ball world!!! He is the one that came up with the base of the ProV1 and the original TP5. He took that knowledge, removed all the R&D and marketing, and is offering a comparable ball at 33% lower price point. I played them a few years back and only strayed away for the Callaway soccer balls. It might be time to give them a go again...

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It's really hard to argue against the hard numbers...

We used to have a CNC machinist who loved golf and would do all the tweaking to the clubs and shafts you could ever want for free and it was fantastic. I dont understand jack crap on how it all works with the clubs but you could go work with him on your swing and technique and he would know how and what to do to your clubs and would fit it in while he worked and for free you got one hell of a good tune up. I dont think I'll ever sell the clubs he did for me in fear it'll never be the same.

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Played Auburn Hills again today. Played two balls and kept a clean score to see where I'm at. Shot 43-45 with 34 putts on ball #1, and 43-37 with 31 putts on ball #2. I'll take it.

Other than the fact that I waited (and waited and waited and waited) on inconsiderate groups who played slow, didn't play ready golf, looked excessively long for errant shots, and stayed in the carts green side for several minutes after putting out, it was a great afternoon. Round took over 5 hours. Perfect weather and course is in great shape. Probably done for a few weeks but hope to play some in July.

washed out when the skies opened up after just 8 holes today...so much rain here the last 3 weeks...but 4 pars and 4 bogeys...gettin' better.

edit: got the back 9 before dinner today with the raincheck...very similar results to Monday; 4 pars 5 bogeys...so no big numbers in those 17 holes this week. steady progress

Questions for the boys:

Started playing golf last year and been playing consistently and improving.

We've always played if you hit the ball out of bounds you take a drop lateral to where it went out, ie drop 2 hitting 3. I read in the official golf rules that it's actually supposed to be two stroke penalty if you take the distance from the first shot so drop 2,3 hitting 4 unless you hit from the spot of the original shot in which it would be drop 2 hit 3. My buddy says most people he knows even in tourneys always just take a stroke for lost balls out of bounds but how do you guys play?

Second, how do you score high scoring holes for amateurs to determine appropriate handicaps. We've been playing the highest score you can get on a hole is double par (ie you have a meltdown in a par5 the worst you shoot is a 10). I've heard other recommend carding triple boogie as the worst because when you have your good days you're playing way above your reported handicap level.

What's everyone think?

Been playing for 6 years. Always played re-tee or 2 strokes for any tournament but up until about a year ago I would usually play everything like a hazard for casual rounds. Now I play pretty close to the letter of the law because I try to keep a legit handicap. If we are betting we just establish the rules on the 1st tee box.

As for the max scores, I play with some guys who definitely need these established. Double par or quad max seems to keep things moving although many times they still want to finish the hole.

There are actual rules for handicaps regarding the max allowable score you can record on a hole for scoring your handicap. Basically it's double bogey plus however many strokes you get on the hole. Link is here - link

Technically, for an out of bounds ball it is "Stroke and Distance". So you would need to rehit the shot from the same place you just hit, and add a penalty shot (i.e. 1st OB, 2nd Penalty, 3rd shot from the tee again). I think there are some local rules now for pace of play to play it like a hazard with 2 strokes, but that would never fly in a tournament.

As far as max scores go, you can try to estimate your handicap and look up what the max scores should be, but in general triple max is a good rule of thumb for pace of play.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

If you maintain a handicap, don't take gimmes (especially with the flag-in rule change!) and count all the strokes...let the handicap formula take care of it.

I'll hit a provisional if I think there is a reasonable chance I'm OB (or if the ball is lost). If the course wanted it played as a drop for pace of play purposes, they could stipulate a drop zone within X feet of the boundary.

edit: If a person is a 54 (max handicap), a mercy rule is probably a good thing. I know if I'm in the group behind them, I'm saying "just pick it up".

For the OB question, you now have the option of hitting where you previously hit from and taking one strike penalty, or dropping in the fairway adjacent to where the ball went OB and taking a 2 stroke penalty. (Note the 2 stroke penalty option is not advisable to be utilized in highly skilled comps, but rather in casual play to ensure you move along. you won't see this done on TV.) Your buddy is right that in most tournaments, the 1 shot and distance is how it's played...but normal Joe playing a casual round doesn't need to follow what they do all of the time.

The new max score on a hole is Net Double Bogey. This might be a little confusing to beginners, so there are a few options to address it...
-Read this. https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/images/handicapping/Net%20Double%20Bogey%20is%20the%20new%20Max%20Hole%20Score.pdf
-When you enter your score for handicap purposes, do it hole by hole and the GHIN program will adjust your max score for handicapping purposes.

When you do this you might notice that your "posted" score may vary slightly from what you actually shot. That's the correction for capping purposes at work. It keeps people from tanking on one hole to pad their handicap in order to get more shots. For instance, if you play a partners match like many do, if your partner is on the green in 2, you cannot take 5 strokes to get out of the bunker, then 3 putt for a 10. The program will max you out at a 6 or 7 typically. So you can't game the system. It keeps sandbagging (which is cheating) down as much as a universal system can...

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The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Thanks guys all of the responses were helpful.

I need some advice on "new" irons. I was gifted a gently used (like new) set of Mizuno MP-H5 irons. I think they're from around 2015, which is substantially newer than my current set of 2006 Cobras. What I need help with is how to get them customized to fit me (as is documented elsewhere in TKP archives, I'm about 6'-8"). When I ordered my Cobras I had them fitted to me and that resulted in +2" and 2° upright. I have extended clubs before, a set of mint SM6 wedges I got off of Ebay for a steal, but I didn't do anything to the lie angle. While leaving the wedges as is except length has not caused any issues that I can tell, I am concerned that doing the same with these irons may not be wise.

Any thoughts on whether I should investigate having the lie angle adjusted on the irons? If yes, how does one go about doing that?

If you were fit for +2 +2 before, it most likely still holds true...But get it checked first As your local pro if he knows a guy that does work. More often than not the pro has a guy he sends clubs to for his members, and he probably will recommend him. It's a simple process for the lie angle...a hitting board with impact tape on the bottom. As for the length, that's even easier...it's based on the distance from your wrist (edited from knuckle to wrist) to the ground. Even guys that are taller, but have long arms, come out standard. Tall guys with "reg" arms need extensions. What the club guy might do is the extension, then "fit" for the lie angle since you'll swing the clubs differently after the extension. Although, he might just do the +2 +2 alteration and give them back to see if that works...then tweak slightly if needed. If it works in one session of him working on them, bingo.

As for the wedges, they are upright in general. Even with a extension, there's a rounded front edge, so the lie angle isn't as important on them as in the low irons. If you are happy with them, let them be...but possibly just get them checked to make sure they are to spec since hitting wedges over and over can bend a tad.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I would definitely get them checked out. Any decent golf shop around can set you up on a lie board then bend if you need them too. Lie isnt all about just leveling the bottom of the club out. If you are consistently missing shots to one side, that could also indicate you need to change your lie angle. I think at any skill level, getting clubs that fit you correctly is important.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Thanks guys. Appreciate the advice. I'm going to get it checked out once I get them.

SERTC 4th Annual Golf Outing

Dropping this here for anyone that is interested. It's Friday, September 10 at Pete Dye River Course. This will be the first year I get to participate and I haven't played the course before so I'm pretty excited.

It's Time to go to Work

I take every chance to play that course that I'm given...however, it is the toughest course I have ever played and it's really not even close. Pete Dye is an asshole and I hope he knows it.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Agreed. Also, I find his courses boring but that's because I really don't like links courses. The River Course in mid July, middle of the day, no shade anywhere to be found, 8 lost golf balls either in the river or in the grass wasteland, pretty frustrating. That being said, I can't argue with the beauty along the river, the challenge presented, or the fun of trying to hit driver from the #14 green across the river into the railroad crossing/trestle.

Played Auburn today and everything I thought I had has left for greener pastures. Played poorly tee to green. Shot a 94 with 35 putts. I think my putting was artificially propped up by the poor short game. 4-5 shots to get on the green from every damn tee ought to leave at least a few short putts, as evidenced by the 6-7 one putt bogeys and doubles on today's scorecard. But that's golf I guess.

it's always something...and it'll be back

I had three putters with me on the practice green a couple days ago. Finally decided to tune up an old lightweight Ping Pal 2 I bought back in the 80's hoping to find something I can both lag putt with as well as hopefully make a few. Right now my speed control is too inconsistent with the heavier, insert putters. They are great in close but don't have nearly the feedback of the lighter Ping.

did you play the Mizuno irons?

I hear ya. For me, putting has always been the most consistent part of my game. Everything else comes and goes.

No, unfortunately I don't have possession of them yet. A buddy of mine has them and I haven't been able to go get them yet as he lives about 3-4 hours away.

+9 today including 9 pars and a bird...80 on the par 71. I was in good position to get into the 70's but hit my drive OB at 16 and couldn't close the deal, plus 3 on the last three. Made a few good saves including a sandy from the only trap I found, but just gave away too many...a good half dozen.