Chris Marve is the new DC

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I don't know anything about the guy, but this is how excited I am with a guy named Marve around Christmas:

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Just finished watching Home Alone 5 minutes ago lol

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Wait wait -- did you just

Finish watching Home Alone 5 minutes ago

OR

Finish watching Home Alone 5 minutes ago?

You gotta be clearer, dude, there's a big difference.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

That's asking a lot to differentiate between an italicized and non-italicized 5. Try....

Wait wait....did you just

Finish watching Home Alone 5 minutes ago

OR...

Finish watching Home Alone 5 minutes ago?

You gotta be clearer dude, they're hard to tell apart.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Technically, you're supposed to italicize the title of a movie, meaning my post was technically correct

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Is there a Home Alone 5? I only recognize the OG Home Alone and Home Alone 2 as legit Home Alone movies.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I learned a few weeks ago there is at least a 3, I haven't seen it but I trust my source

If it ain't got a young Macaulay Culkin it ain't Home Alone

Onward and upward

If you aren't expecting a continuation of 1 and 2, then 3 as a stand alone movie isn't bad. It has a super young Scarlett Johansson in it as the older sister, didn't know it was her till after someone mentioned it. I never saw Home Alone 3 till after the Marvel movies had started and I knew of her from those movies which is like a decade apart.

There is another one now too that came out recently I think. It is bad.

Edit: Home Sweet Home Alone trailer

Can confirm. Very bad. Weird plot. Shoddy acting. Predictable plot which.......I mean, they all are. Only watch with the kids if you have 1-2 hours worth of reading to do on your phone.

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that looks...awful

Onward and upward

I second this and will add the 4th Home Alone to that list. To call it "torture" is being gentle...

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Let's Go!

I never thought he'd be retained, but I'm going to miss JHam

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RIP JHam. =^(

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Should have just kept him instead imo

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Personally didn't see enough from JHam for him to stay on as DC.

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Personally I'm not seeing enough in this hire/promotion to justify not keeping him.

He'd be taking away responsibility from JHam which is awkward at best. For all we know, there was a discussion and JHam declined.

I don't want an inexperienced head coach taking responsibility from a DC. It's hard enough as it is to be a first time head coach. I want him 100% focused on being the CEO. I don't want someone who needs to be babysat as DC and some who feels compelled to babysit to be headcoach.

And for all we know, there was no discussion with Hamilton. I'd say that's more likely.

Regardless of what you, a message board commenter, want, Pry already said in his press conference that he plans to be very hands on with the defense at first before turning play-calling over "when the time is right", whether that's spring ball or fall camp. I would argue that it's not "babysitting", it's the CEO of the organization putting in the effort upfront to ensure that his staff is aligned in their vision for the defense with regard to scheme and risk tolerance.

And for what it's worth, I think both the scenario wherein Coach Pry didn't even talk with JHam at all and the scenario wherein JHam was offered a position coach job but declined it are unlikely, and think it's most likely that Pry had a conversation with Hamilton and let him know that he wasn't being retained and would be moving in a different direction.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'm sure Pry is getting plenty of mentorship from Franklin and probably Beamer as well from a HC perspective, and probably even Foster as well. He already said he's not above seeking counsel because he knows everyone has weaknesses. Certainly sounds like the guy wants to succeed and doesn't see himself as a finished product so will try to keep growing and get advice. I think there have been plenty other head coaches that have had more direct influence over one side of the ball or the other.

I know it's hard to imagine, but do you think it's possible that Coach Pry knows more about football coaching than you do? I think you've wrung all the blood you're going to get out of this stone. You keep bringing it up over and over. I think you've made your opinion abundantly clear regarding our new DC. We know how you feel. Thanks for sharing. Don't feel like you need to repeat yourself again, it's just noise at this point.

At least we know who is taking up the dcwilson flag regarding our defense going forward

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I'm all for discourse and weighing pros and cons, but I think the wet blanket comments consistently being tossed around at an exciting time for the program are unnecessary...

Best thing to remember is:
Don't feed the trolls

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That's a very good point.

Marcb should be able to voice his incorrect opinion without being told to GTFO.

Yep and the comment they're replying to actually makes some good points (besides the J Ham thing).

If the Pry experiment fails this is stuff that some of the same people will come back to and say "it was really dumb when he did this; can't believe he did that".

Not saying that will happen at all (I don't believe it will) but it's a valid take on the matter either way

I don't have a problem with him expressing his opinion. I have a problem with him expressing it over and over and over on every thread. I appreciate the points he's made, but I feel like he's made it and doesn't need to keep hammering the same thing repeatedly.

Basically, we won't know if Marve was a good hire for at least a year, maybe longer. So maybe let's talk about something else for 5 minutes?

Yep, my thoughts exactly.

totally agree. And you made your thoughts clear too. That's what downvotes are for. As far as I can tell marcb wasn't personally attacking anyone just beating a dead horse. downvote away, but he's welcome here as far as I am concerned

I edited my comment to more clearly reflect what I meant. I don't think anyone here needs to not be here, although some folks come close at times.

That being said, I stand by my opinion that beating the dead horse over the hire became noise and deserved at least a share of the down votes it received.

Apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I'm not going to comment further on it.

If Pry doesn't want Hamilton, then he goes

It's that simple. Hamilton was part of a failed coaching regime, of which he had a part. Quite frankly, it's silly to see some wringing their hands over the decision to move on from him, regardless of who was hired.

It's also worth noting that everyone that Pry has hired right now has a background in coaching the DL or LB. Each one. It's pretty clear that we are angling to dominate the LOS, and having a DC whose background is DB isn't going to mesh with that.

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And Marve was part of a successful coaching regime?

That's great about coaching DLs & LBs, but I'm not sure it means anything whatsoever.

Yes, Pry can hire who he wants, but sorry, I'm not seeing it here. Hope I'm wrong.

And I saw nothing out of Hamilton that has me losing sleep over him not being our DC next year.

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I'm gonna guess FSU fans are saying pretty much the same about the FSU linebacking corps.

I see several things with the Marve hire which don't make me sleep comfortably.

You're taking this way too personally.

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At least you weren't Pot calling the Kettle black, cuz that's a racism.

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Marve highly regarded in the coaching community. He helped coach Zach Cunningham to the NFL. Cunningham credits Marve with teaching him on field awareness:

[Cunningham] does a great job dissecting a play and beating his blocker to the point of attack. It's a trait that usually takes a player years to develop. He'll enter the league already at a veteran level.

Cunningham gave credit to Vanderbilt head coach Derek Mason and inside linebackers coach Chris Marve for helping him in that area, per Chris Low of ESPN.com.

"I watch film differently than I used to and have a lot more knowledge of the game and what offenses are trying to do," Cunningham said in October. "They've helped bring more knowledge to me, and that's helped me play even faster and pick up quicker on what teams are trying to do."

At the end of the day, I'd rather Pry hire guys he thinks he can be successful with than hire guys for the name. We've seen that go wrong so many times - when Coach O hired Matt Canada, when James Franklin hired Kirk Ciarrocca, etc.

I'm waiting to see what the offensive staff is, but to me, this feels like a well calculated risk: Hire an up-and-comer at DC (in your area of expertise), and spend money for a proven OC.

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marcb2,

you did watch all the games the past two seasons, right? I mean, Jham is a dude, but our defenses have been really, really bad the past two seasons. Maybe he needed more time or something. But there was literally nothing that I could dig up that would justify keeping him at DC with a new coach install.

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Did you watch FSU's linebacking corp the last two seasons? Arguably the worst part of a not particularly good defense.

VT's defense was not really, really bad this season. The only people who think this are hyperbolic grass is always greener message board warriors. If they were really, really bad, what does that make FSU's defense?

If Pry wants to move on from JHam, fine. I'm not some JHam sycophant. But if you're gonna move on, go with someone who brings more to the table, not less for more money.

This is Pry's first big hire and I am not impressed.

Okay toss a name out. What DC did you want that isn't JHam that would come in and not call the defense. Who is it?

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I am not making the case for retaining Hamilton or for hiring anyone in particular.

My only point is hiring Marve is underwhelming - so underwhelming that it would have been better to just retain the existing DC who has, contrary to message board griping, proven himself to be a capable DC.

As I already written, I think a DC with experience at the job would be a better choice for reasons I've explained. I haven't researched it, but I'm sure there are a number of plausible candidates.

I haven't researched it, but I'm sure there are a number of plausible candidates.

Maybe do some research and get back to us with useful dialog instead of just stubbornly repeating the same shit over and over.

You mean except Jones. As far as I can tell from the VT announcement, he's been pretty specialized in DBs his whole career.

Wouldn't hate a co-DC situation.

I feel like marcb2 is morphing into DC...

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that's funny, he always struck me as more of an AXD-Lite...he's not openly malicious or mean to anyone, though, so he's good by me.

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I'm not often critical of coaches, players, recruiting, etc (unless someone particularly puts a burr in my saddle). If anything I generally give them the benefit of doubt because this is a really hard business for coaches and players - even if that means I'm not playing along with the pitchfork crowd.

I had no problem with the Pry hire. I'm not heads over heels about it, but I'm perfectly fine with it given the circumstances. I have no issue with him not having been a head coach, but I don't want him to continuing being a Coordinator.

But I just think this is an utterly underwhelming hire by Pry. And the more I read about it and the more I see the rationalizing for it, the more underwhelmed I am. I realize that probably upsets the new coach euphoria, but I call them the way I see them and I've given my reasons why.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this can only go two ways - it will either be a 'Pry really knows something here' glam slam or a bases-loaded strikeout.

That's fair. If Marve doesn't work out, feel free to drop "I told you so" all over TKP. I think I'm a bit frustrated with all your comments about what a bad hire this is because it's all speculation. Pry likely has very explicit and detailed reasons for the hiring decision which none of us are privy to unless he chooses to share them. There's nothing wrong with having concerns, which you have expressed at great length. Until we have more information on Pry's decision making progress or actual evidence of play on the field, I don't see the point in bringing it up repeatedly all over the forums.

I'm not trying to single you out, nothing personal, it's just a lot of posts saying basically the same thing. Hopefully we'll get some Offensive coaching announcements soon so we can hyperanalyze them.

I have no doubt Pry has his reasons. And they could be very good ones - at least in his mind.

But I just think this is a shit or sugar play - and the odds of shit are much higher than sugar.

One thing I won't do is judge Marve's performance based on my presumptions.

It is funny though that if you are in lockstep with the forum narrative (whatever that is at a given time), you can write the same thing over and over and over in every thread and get a million upvotes and cool memes and so on.

But if you question or counter the narrative...uh oh, it gets personal.

You're very brave.

Doesn't run what Pry does, per French, and the Miami gameplan was...rough. Also per French. And while one game does not make or break a coach, I agree with HammerTime. Wish JHam the best though.

Marve is gonna have to learn what Pry runs anyway. I just see this as a 1 for 1 exchange at best. A lot of people saying Pry is going to run the defense early on, but I expected something more in this hire.

OC is still the hire that matters most tho. Needs to be better than this.

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Pry himself said he'll call plays at first, and give the duties away over time.

Said it could be as early as after spring or as soon as after next year.

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Then I don't see why J Ham couldn't have done the same.

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Because J Ham doesn't fit what Pry wants to do, whether schematically, recruiting-wise or both? Not every former VT player/coach needs to have a spot on the new staff.

True, but this hire doesn't make much of case for not keeping JHam.

Hard to say that without knowing more. Personality fit, overall defensive scheme mindset fit, personal strengths fit, to me mean more than a certain amount of DC experience. He might ultimately be an utter failure but DC specific experience I think means less than overall fit into the coaching staff.

Yes it is hard to say without knowing more. And yes, it is about more than DC experience. Which means neither of knows.

But I still don't see anything here which screams, yes, this guy brings more to the table than JHam, let alone he's the guy, let's promote him and pay him more.

Do you have any specific complaints? Have you analyzed the scheme he runs and are able to articulate why his philosophy is not a better fit for Pry's favored scheme than JHam's? Do you have any concreted reasoning for your opinion? Or is this just about your feelings? Because I guarantee you that Coach Pry didn't just pull a name out of a hat.

Agreed. I have no doubt Pry didn't just pull the name of a hat.

It's not so much I think JHam should be retained. That's the life of a coach. It's just I don't see this choice as better than even simply retaining JHam (who I think has shown himself to be a decent DC contrary to the "everything Fuente sucked" crowd).

But if you're a new first-time head coach, I don't think hiring what appears to be a project - which means you're still hanging on to your old job and not 100% focused on being the CEO - is a wise choice. I've seen this too many times in real life and sports - and it rarely works well.

And as much as hiring an OC is critical, I think hiring the right DC was as critical, if not more critical, for this very reason.

OR - and I'm only spitballing different approaches:

You hire a young up and coming, detail oriented, X's and O's teacher/coach who you know can focus on fundamentals development and execution. That let's you go do CEO things during the week and still call plays on Saturday.

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There was no position for JHam to "keep." It was an open position for Pryce to hire. So, if there is a case to be made for JHam, it's the case that he should be hired by Pryce. And I for one do not see that there is a strong case to hire JHam over Marve.

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If that's a portmanteau of pry and price, I don't think JC Price is having too much of a say in rounding out the staff

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Definitely meant Pry. But perhaps Pryce would make a good coach too. Gives an extra coaching spot to hire from.

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To be clear, what kind of experienced, well recognized DC would agree to come into a program and NOT be allowed to call the D...because those are the current terms of employment.

Keeping Ham of all people would be nonsense...he struggled to coach his own defense and his linebackers were at best inconsistent; likely worse. Marve is a good LB coach, he knows what Pry wants the LBs to do; and apparently he is someone Pry can envision trusting to call the D somewhere down the road.

Is Marve a good LB coach? From what I've seen and read, the LB corps at FSU was arguably the weakest part of an average defense.

Marve isn't going to be just coaching LBs now, so knowing what Pry wants LBs to do is just a small piece of the puzzle.

I don't care if they went to Tech or not, but I'd like the new coaches to be clear upgrades

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Pry is going to be, for all intents and purposes, the true DC starting out. I'd say he's a significant upgrade to JHam.

Onward and upward

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You're misrepresenting my argument. I'm not saying we should have landed Kirby Smart as our DC. I'm saying that if we were going to pick up a junior position coach from Florida state to be our DC, we might as well have kept our existing DC that hasn't been linked anywhere to my knowledge.

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You are ignoring other factors though. Does JHam want to be mentored into what Pry wants the defense to be or does he want to run his own scheme? Maybe Pry wanted someone that could bring some experience from another P5 school, like FSU to get the benefit of how they use their staff?

I don't know that any of those are false, just like you don't know that any of them are true.

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That's true, but saying that we might as well have stayed with JHam, to me, inherently assumes there were no other factors, which I don't believe. I was just giving two possible examples of things that may have been considerations.

Just because we don't know why Pry made his choice, that doesn't mean those reasons don't exist. It is logical and reasonable to assume that Pry wants to be successful. Thus it is logical to assume that he is making well researched and informed decisions. As a result, it is logical to assume that he chose Marve over JHam for good reasons. Just because no one on this particular Internet message board is privy to Pry's DC hiring criteria doesn't make it reasonable to assume that a contrary opinion is equally logically valid.

TL;DR: Pry probably had a good reason for his choice. Just because you don't know why he didn't pick JHam doesn't mean there was no reason not to pick JHam. Your ignorance is not a justification.

Just because Pry made his choice doesn't mean I can't be skeptical of it. I admire and respect, but don't understand the relentless optimism of this site at time.

I like Pry, he's grown on me very quickly, and I like most of his staff so far, but I just can't help but call a spade a spade when I don't see the upside in one of his choices.

I guess the good news is that everyone here will be excited for our offensive staff hires regardless of who we actually hire.

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You should read HokieInFla's comment below. I think he's saying the same thing you are trying to, but articulating it a little better.

I don't think anyone thinks this is a homerun hire at DC - it's definitely an unknown - but it has plenty of upside.

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The way I see it, there's two options:

  • Promote someone who is junior, but knows the system
  • Teach someone who has already held the position a new system (essentially a lateral move)

Ultimately, it depends on how different the systems are. Assuming they will be different, I think option 1 can definitely make more sense.

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Because this is Pry's hire, at the end of the day you pick who best fits your organization. I'm sure Jham had a chance to interview for it and probably had a damn good chance at it but when Pry is building this I want him to have his guys. Don't get me wrong I want jham to be here, but if it's not meant to be it's not meant to be.

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What did JHam do to deserve to keep his job?

No offense to the guy, but nothing I saw defensively from his teams suggested that he's got some incredibly bright future necessarily.

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His defense gave up 3.5 pts less per game than the defense of his successor for starters...

You wanna keep Justin Hamilton over there and a half points per game? Aight

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Few things infuriate me more than when people use total offense/defense as a supporting argument.

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How about the eye test? That work? JHam's work as DC did not pass the eye test - the team crumbled under pressure at key points consistently. It looked bad. (I think the ranking was pretty bad too)

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I don't like the 'eye test' either, because it's subject to so many unknown biases.

To be honest, I think JHam was okay as a DC, not great. He seemed decent at making half time adjustments. It feels like he fielded the 40-50ish best defense in the country, and most opponent/efficiency adjusted metrics confirm that.

Unfortunately, at VT, we expect much better than top 40 at VT (at least on defense), and we no longer need to wait around to see if JHam can do better than that.

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So not trying to argue that we should have kept JHam, and I definitely understand what people are saying about why hire Marve, just for argument's sake for JHam in his next job maybe:

Yes, his defense wasn't great, but how much better was it this year than last? How good do we expect any defense to be in year 1.5 (I don't count last year as a full year because, with COVID, we didn't get spring and limited fall practice, we rarely got all the starters to be able to practice or even play together, Teerlinck, and Smith were both new (and Tyler new this year, at least as official LB coach) so learning what JHam wanted and limited ability to recruit the players they wanted). And again, this year, still relatively new scheme, limited amount of time to get the players they wanted and using what they inherited. And from that perspective, how much of the deficiencies we saw were the results of not having the players we'd ideally have and trying to adapt schemes to be as effective as possible with what we had while also making further adjustments based on opponents' offenses that the players may not have adapted to as easily?

Probably sounds like a lot of excuses, but along the same lines, what are we realistically going to expect from our new coaches this year, next year, and then in year 3 and out? I think our LB play has been a weakness, so if that's something the coaches will want to build into a strength in their scheme, seems like that may take some time.

And as others have said, I'm going to reserve judgement on the Marve hire (I know I said I didn't understand it, but I think the point made that Pry can mold him into what he wants as a DC while he (Pry) is initially calling plays makes a lot of sense). Going back to the points above, we may be in for a tough rebuild on defense (and maybe on offense). Hopefully the coaches can make something effective out of what we've got, just don't want us to judge to harshly until we've given them enough time to build their desired scheme with their desire players. But hopefully we'll get to see improved recruiting early to give us some excitement even if the defense isn't great in years 1 and 2.

I agree on everything re: JHam. I don't think he's a 'bad' coach. I still think he could have a very successful career, and I'll be rooting for him. But I think it's best for both parties if he continues his career somewhere else.

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I agree - I know my comment was pretty long, but using JHam to some extent as a point that we shouldn't expect to field an excellent defense next year and probably not even year 2. It'll take time, but Pry certainly seems to have put the pieces together to get good recruiting, develop the talent, and a good scheme/Xs and Os.

Are there advanced stats on the FSU LB corps vs the VT defense? Because from what I've seen and read, the FSU LB corps wasn't all that.

Again, I'm not making the case that Hamilton should have been retained. I'm making the case that replacing him with Marve is an underwhelming one.

Maybe Pry talked to Hamilton and didn't see a fit. I think that's all there is to it. Pry's decision...he liked someone more

Maybe he couldn't stop staring at JHam's fingers?

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Im afraid but at the same time curious; what's the deal with JHam's fingers?

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I'm not TKP'ing hard enough since I can't find the image but his pinky literally takes a 90Β° turn. It's wild.

You need to look at Jham's body of work to date as a defensive coordinator. It is not impressive. That is why he is not being retained - relationships aside. He can now go prove his worth at another school.

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Nobody is complaining about Hamilton not being retained. The complaint is about replacing him with what appears to arguably be a lesser hire.

Maybe they just don't gel. I run several teams and am involved in hiring pretty regularly. I would rather hire someone that knows less that has the right attitude and personality and teach them to be successful. Work sucks when you don't like the people you work with.

Wait what do we call a large gathering of orjis if we can get brothers on the team?

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I think it's just "orji'"

Kind of like "octopi", or is it "octopussies"?

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Thank you for the info. My first response to the name was, 'who?' Will need people much more informed than me to comment on if he is good or not. Seems like not a great recruiter. But others commented that he seems to be a good coach, so that is a serious plus. Fine to have some people who are not great recruiters. Just want to make sure we have enough of them. Also, if he was an Vanderbilt for much of his time, it has to be way hard to get people there. Love to hear what people like French have to say.

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Seems to be more of a sound X's and O's / player development type. Just looking at the FSU board, he was not a good recruiter. Less of an issue at the coordinator position.

What are the odds we (1) Keep Orji and (2) Get his brothers to Blacksburg (if they're any good)?

So the FSU people were saying decent coach, not a good recruiter. Hopefully we are building the staff well enough where we can cover his deficiencies and with Pry being a defensive guy allow him to grow into the role.

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Which FSU people? Their fans? Because the FSU fans I know aren't the brightest...

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His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Probably reddit and/or Twitter. My guess.

Let's hope Pry's friends are better than Fuente's friends. Every staff member hired so far has a Pry connection, either playing for him or coaching with him. Seems like these guys have some decent qualifications.

Defensive staff coming together, let's hope for some good offensive hires soon.

I think the big difference is that some of them had spread their wings and gotten some P5 or HC experience since working with Pry. Zero of that with Fuente's friends.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Yeah at least most of them have more than an assistant job at Illinois State or wherever

It's not what you know it's who you know that can tell your new boss "yeah that guy knows stuff"

I would say that in 99.9% of all football coaching staffs they are all connected to the HC in some way.

Fuente's issue was that he couldn't make changes when they were necessary. Time will tell if changes become necessary in Pry's regime.

Fuente was also very very hands off in his management style with certain coaches (Corny) when the opposite was needed (he got stubborn on this).

My initial view is that Pry is more likely to be actively involved - for better or worse on that front.

Most of us can probably see from our careers that management teams that have a cohesiveness have performed better than ones that don't, even if the managers aren't all the best individually. I think the same applies to football. I don't know the management team will ultimately be successful, but I'm guessing Pry is picking guys he feels "fit." How many times have we seen an experienced "good" coach fail because the coaching staff wasn't cohesive?

To your point about "cohesiveness", one of the comments the TV announcers always seem to bring up was how long Beamer's staff had been together.

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Ehhhh, I don't know about this one.

Apparently a good coach and developer at FSU, but not a good recruiter.

A player beats a play every time, so that is worrisome. He could always surprise me, but I don't feel great about this one. First hire that I'm very meh on

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Not every coach on the staff needs to be a lights out recruiter. You need to have some staff that focuses on development in execution to...

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Has Marve proven that? Who has he developed? He has one year as run defense coordinator resulting in the 65th best run defense that season. Doesn't scream X's and O's execution to me. What am I missing?

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I'm not sure if you're missing anything. Pry has a relationship with Marve. Marve has been in the industry a long time and Pry thinks he's got what it takes to mold him into a DC and shares Pry's vision

That seems like plenty to me when your head coach has been adamant that he'll be handling defensive responsibilities.

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Marve has been in the industry a long time

Except he's 32 and was a player under Pryce at Vanderbilt.

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You keep calling him Pryce. You know it's coach Pry right? and JC Price is a different guy on staff. (I don't mean this snarkily btw, in case it came off like that)

They're literally two comments within 1 min. I am having a moment. Lol. Thanks.

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Last year their run defense was 101st in rushing yards per attempt and 97th in rushing yards against per game. This year they are 36th and 54th. That's drastic improvement.

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Mississippi state?

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Oops good point. I was looking at FSU year to year. Though, the LBs do play a role in rushing defense.
Anyway, Mississippi State run defense from 2018/2019:
2018: 5th in avg and 3rd in total rushing yards.
2019: 73rd and 59th.
I think a lot of that drop off can be attributed to the significant roster attrition the Mississippi State experienced in Moorehead's second season. Montez Sweat and Jeffery Simmons both left after 2018 and were drafted in the 1st round.
But, there definitely aren't concrete stats that we can feel good about in this situation.

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apparently his 6 years as a linebacker coach and 3 years as a run game coordinator were enough

he's here to coach linebackers, the centerpiece of Pry's defense; with the idea that he'll eventually inherit play calling duties.

is he the best possible DC? almost certainly not. but very few if any current DC's or experienced DC's would take a job where they aren't going to call the plays and right now, that is Pry's job.

Respectfully, I disagree.
Yes, player development and coaching is important. But, Kirby Smart has said 50% of his job is recruiting, 25% is scouting, and only 25% is actual coaching. Would we really want someone who is poor at 50-75% of the job but really good at 25%? What if those numbers flipped?

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Kirby Smart is also a HC and not a DC.

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Kirby Smart is a Head Coach. Your Coordinators should focus on coordinating. You position coaches should focus on closing recruits to match what the coordinator wants to do. Your head coach should be your home run recruiter when you need him. So far that's exactly how we're set up.

Regardless if he said that when he was DC there are a million different ways to set up an organization and 0 organizations are all ace recruiters.

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Kirby Smart has also been coaching for the last 20 years at schools where he has been competing with maybe 10 others schools for the very best college talent and at programs where winning the national championship was the goal.

So for him, yes, recruiting is 50% of it. But I don't think that's quite correct for about a 100 or so FBS programs.

Kirby's a good coach but we shouldn't take everything he says as the gospel. Georgia recruits itself largely, and dude needs to find himself a QB and decent offense.

With 11 coaches and other support staff signing 20-25 players, there is more than enough space on staff for someone on each side of the ball to, above all else, be a really expert coach.

Doesn't matter how many stars a player has if they are in the wrong place; just ask Kirby.

Not *everyone* is going to be an ace recruiter.

I'm less meh on him than I am on Shawn Quinn, tbh.

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See, this is def my most meh hire so far because of the responsibilities. Looks like he was seen as a Top 40 under 40 guy and then his opportunities started to come and he really neither delivered nor didn't. We'll see. This might be the best coach he's worked for though, defensively.

There's really no way for fans to know who is or isn't a good recruiter, especially for a position coach over only 2 years. There's more to it than who 247 decides to assign a recruit to, and most of what goes on we are never privy to. I don't think we should run away with this "poor recruiter" narrative based solely on message board chatter, I don't think he gets the job if Pry doesn't think he can recruit, so let's see how it plays out before we label weaknesses.

You can learn to improve in recruiting, too. Much like sales, Pry may be planning to show him the ins and outs of how he wants recruiting done.

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I work in the mortgage business for a large bank and have for near 29 years. I had ZERO experience when I started and when I moved to sales/loan officer had zero sales experience . Within six months and for the 9 years I was a loan officer I was in the top 5-10 in the company for loans closing and known for quality of my loans(not going delinquent,etc.)

I say that NOT to blow my own horn but to point out that previous experience is not the ONLY predictor of success, What success I had was due to working hard and always learning new things. (i.e. going to o-workers on in my department and saying "What are you doing? How do you do that? Can I try?")

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If nothing else, we should have a damn good linebacker corp in the next couple of years.

Omg the amount of coaching experience we have on defense is outstanding.

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Richard Johnson from Split Zone Duo likes the hire

Chris Marve officially announced as DC at Virginia Tech and that'll be huge for Brent Pry. Marve is very highly regarded.

I am no expert but the Split Zone Duo guys, particularly Richard and Godfrey, are really plugged into the CFB coaching world. (I don't know how we do tweets on here anymore so here's the link)

Does it get easier to be on these lists? Will he be able to make the 50 under 50 list? What about the 60 under 60?

Myself, I am holding out just to be on the 120 under 120 list.

Wait, what?

I'm happily in the 40 under 40 key players club leaders in legs

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I think it gets harder as the ratio of coaches in the list would decrease since 30 under 30 is wasting like 25 years worth of life before coaching (6 coaches per year of coach) but then each growing group adds 1 coach per year

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There'll be less competition in the 120 over 120 category.

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I would like to join the club.

Big fan of Godfrey's work.

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Agreed. It took me a while to warm up to RJ and Kirshner since I loved Godfrey's dynamic with Bill Connelly, but I recently joined their Patreon and have been enjoying the bonus content a lot.

That patreon is the best nationwide college football content out there IMO

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Edit. Honestly just a thought that crossed my mind, not made for the message board. Not gonna put a damper on the hype for the hire

Good call.

Staff starting to come along. Didn't have a major reaction positive or negative to this one. I'm very content with a wait and see approach for the new staff. As others have mentioned, my biggest questions over the years will center around how well we find replacements for assistants who are doing so well they are poached, and for assistants who are underperforming, is he willing to move on and make changes?

I'm curious if all of these seemingly out of left field defensive hires have been made with an eye towards cost efficiency so that the bulk of the assistant salary pool can go towards the offensive side of the ball

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I don't know - Jones seems to be very effective at recruiting and developing players, plus has DC experience. I doubt anything about him is saving money. Quinn and Marve maybe, considering Quinn as HC was making less than he would as a position coach here and Marve coming from being a position coach to be DC probably saves us some money, especially if Pry will initially be running the D while mentoring Marve into what he wants out of a DC, so maybe give Marve a raise once Pry hands over the reins to him?

Defensive staff seems pretty set, now let's get some offensive coaches! Marve recruited both of Orji's brothers to Vandy so he knows the family, should be a good sign for keeping Alex in the fold!

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So sad that this would be a penalty without a doubt these days. My how the game has changed...

Would it? Receiver is definitely not defenseless. Clearly leads with the shoulder and not the crown. Attacks the shoulder, not the head/neck. Seems like a brutal, but clean, hit.

This would classify a defenseless receiver given how the rule has been used over the years.

Receiver putting his body on the line to catch the ball vs positioning himself to brace for impact.

Big hit in that situation = 15 yards and ejection (depending what part of the body was hit)

On the flip side, there should be enforcement of the QB slide rule to prevent what Pickett did in the ACCCG.

If you're going to set the standard that QBs can now take giving themselves up, defenses are going to start murdering QBs anytime they appear to slide.

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I don't think this can be considered defenseless receiver when it gets the point where that is considered a fumble and not an incompletion.

I agree that he wasn't defenseless. If he had been hit 2 steps (maybe even 1) earlier he would have been, but straightens up his body.

It's a play that should be reviewed but ultimately not called targeting.

And to be fair, a few months ago I was of the opinion that the receiver was defenseless but he is making football moves when he is hit.

Yeah, it looked like he slowed a little right before he got hit. He saw it coming for sure.

Oh, I thought we were interpreting this through Orange and Maroon glasses where every terrible call goes against us.

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Well, there's definitely that as well. I forgot that aspect. Along those lines, I'm sure it would be our future first round NFL draft pick who was ejected.

Under the current rules they would throw the flag for sure, and then it would be up to wheel spin of "is it or is it not targeting" pending review, and given the lifespan of the rule it would be anyones guess as to how it got interpreted. So inconsistent.

You're really asking the wrong guy because I think the game is played in real speed, not slow motion.

But I was kind of surprised it wasn't called defenseless even back then. So I'm fairly confident it would be called now - if only because of the violence of it. They'd find a reason to call it.

Yeah, I think this is fine - at the end of the day, it's really the offensive staff we're on pins and needles about. Pry is the proxy DC on this staff anyways.

The hope is that Smitty stays on at safeties to round out the defensive staff, we need another ace recruiter.

Also, this pretty much confirms Dex to UVa...which is not great for us.

I just want an offense that routinely outscores the opponent. Is that too much to ask for?

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(looks at past 20 years) Greater than 50/50 chance that it is too much to ask for

Like 90% of it comes down to quarterback play

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In all seriousness, while I would have loved to have kept JHam and mold him into the eventual DC, I'd have to imagine CBP sees something we don't. I will trust him till proven otherwise.

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NOt really jazzed here but as said; Pry is the D guy. I'm sure he feels he can mold Marve. Now I do want to see some blazing smoke on the O side.

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Given he was just a LB coach, I can't imagine we had to throw the kitchen sink at him in terms of salary. That being said, it makes me excited for what we can likely now give to a damn good offensive coordinator. You're fooling yourself if you think Pry isn't essentially the DC even if not in name.

Actually a great point. If you look at our pool of money and who we've got this far we should still have a lot of this pool left for the offensive side of the ball which is great strategy recognizing your weakness.

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Coach Pry has given me no reason to doubt him so far, so I'm not going to start now (yet).

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Agreed, seeing a lot of hand wringing over this hire, it seems some people don't like a hire unless it blows their minds. How about we give the new head coach the benefit of the doubt that he knows how to build out a staff better than any of us.

For the record, I don't have a problem with questioning a coach's mistakes, but why don't we wait for him to make one first. Some of y'all are about as patient as my 3-year-olds.

Maybe it's a natural reaction to giving a bad coach several years too long. Maybe it just doesn't meet the expectations of the money people give.

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But that was a different coach. You can't hold the new coach liable for the old coach's failings. Nothing that Fuente did can be held against Pry. He will succeed or fail on his own merits and judging Pry based on what Fuente did or didn't do correctly is both unfair and intellectually dishonest.

This is going to be Pry's defense. We were never going to bring in a big name DC - they would have their own system. Seeing him go with a young, up and coming coach that wants to learn his system makes perfect sense.

Not to mention that Pry himself is in a place of transition, going from DC to HC. I figured his plan to scale back on his direct involvement with the defense has as much to do with weening himself off of being a defense-only coach as anything else.

We were never going to bring in a big name DC - they would have their own system

This is a great point. Pry is coming from being a DC and seems intent in being pretty involved in the defensive side of things in the early going. He's not gonna bring in some other top DC to run his defense. He's gonna build someone to be a great DC.

Offense on the other hand....we can hope

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Current salary at FSU: $500k

I imagine we're paying between 700k and 900k base for him. Jham was making 600.

I'm okay with that, our D was rough this year and I think we have a lot of coaching experience coming in on that side of the ball from what we've seen so far.

Now let's pull a top-tier OC and dominate

This shows how bad our pay was, he is 32 and making 500k as a position coach. Not the DC.

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Yeah I'd say $500k for an LB coach is hefty for a 32 year old

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Is it? He's regarded as one of the fastest up and comers in the industry. What are other LB Coaches making? At the end of the day, age doesn't matter; skill set and market factors drive salary.

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There are P5 DCs who don't make $500k. Yeah, it's a lot for an LB coach.

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I mean we paid Corny 490k and that was overpaying...

Not a bad return on investment for him. That's about $5 per jet sweep I figure over 6 years?

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I wonder if Pry is thinking has indicated he's going to be pretty involved in the development and running of the defense initially. I'll be OK with that.

Will be interesting to see who he hires on the offensive side.

Yes, Pry outright said in his opening presser that he'd call the defense and then hand it over to the DC in time. Could be in the spring, fall, next year, etc. Just depends on Pry's comfort level of giving up the role to someone else.

With this hire, I'm expecting Pry to be calling the defense in games next year.

Which implies he'll hire an OC who will run the offense pretty independently.

Should have plenty of money for the OC. Really want to see someone with experience in that position.

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It is looking like it based on the hires so far. CEO of the offense while he is CEO of the defense/President

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Interesting to note that every coach on the new staff right now has a proven background on coaching LB or DL. I think we are beginning to see the kind of defense that Pry wants to run, and that's to absolutely dominate the line.

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Leg, and partially agreed.

We're lining up a bunch of front 7 coaches, which is nice, but we're DBU. I like being DBU.

Penn State's secondaries have been atrocious for a long time. I don't want that. I want DBU. Maybe I'm being myopic but if don't have DBs drafted every. single. year. then a little piece of our (my) defensive identity could be gone.

I love dbu too but dbu has gotten us about .500 over the last decade. I'm okay with a different approach if that different approach makes sense. It appears Pry has a clear vision and he's hiring people who are all going to be pulling in the same direction. That makes a lot of sense. Pry appears to want to establish an identity. That is a good thing.

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Part of that was not having nearly as effective a DLine. You can be all over a receiver, but if you don't put pressure on the QB, sooner or later one of the receivers will get open. Dominating the line, pressuring the QB and forcing him to make fast throws where he may miss a defender in a read or rushes so fast he doesn't get the ball out perfectly or slightly off target or some other mistake helps the DBs a LOT. Back in the glory days, Charley Wiles' approach of smaller guys with twitch could get after a QB. But with bigger OLinemen it became harder for the smaller guys to penetrate. And they could get pushed around by the bigger OL. Same with controlling the line and stuffing runs - forces the O into passing plays, and then you get the benefit of knowing it will most likely be a passing play so you can pressure the QB and help the DBs. You know, unless you're Corn and it's 3 and 15, because then you have the QB keep it.

I hear you, but there was a point in time when we took a lot of pride in our linebackers too...even if they didn't get drafted because of size and/or the unique scheme. Either way, great linebackers made the defense hum.

Hall and Adibi.

I'm thinking more Smith and Hawkes

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Not sure where you and marcb2 are getting this narrative - Jones has only ever coached DBs (with a coup,e years of special teams, but almost exclusively DBs as a position coach.

I'm not sure where you're getting this narrative that I have a narrative about Jones. I don't think I've written a word about any hire but Marve (and Pry - and little about him at that).

Gotta trust coach, if he says Marve's the guy to coach a dominant ACC defense then gotta back him up for now.

However if two years down the road we aren't a good defense we will be able to look back and say this really didn't make sense at the timet.

I reserve the right to retroactively say I never liked the hire if Marve doesn't work out. And if he's awesome, then I never had a doubt.

The message board credo right there.

Pretty much

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Feeling pretty meh about this hire, but am hopeful Pry knows something we don't in terms of what was said in the interview room. It definitely seems like Pry's strategy may be in part to save the big money for the offensive side of the ball, and micromanage the defense a bit. Train up a bright, young, and hungry up and comer. And then on the recruiting side, it seems like some of the positional coaches are more aligned with filling that gap. If that's how the rest of the staff shapes up then this makes sense.

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but am hopeful Pry knows something we don't

I'm hoping he knows a lot of things we don't.

I got tired of following all the boxes in the JHam discussion up yonder^ somewhere-

I wish him the best. While I wasn't overly impressed, I realize that he got the short straw when it came to the beginning of a tenure (no spring ball/limited fall camp/weird season in 2020). Its hard to have the success we tend to expect out of a Hokie defense with basically a year to get it in rhythm.

However, this is Pry's show now and he will hire who he thinks is best for the job. I'm still waiting (maybe I've missed?) the offensive staff to be filled before I start really opining on what I think of the hires (because, of course, my opinion fkin matters...../s)

I do like that the majority focus is on the defense though, as I really think that will be the path to the ACC championship and beyond in this day and age of high flying offenses. (Again, maybe I missed the offense side being announced?)

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I think it would be one thing for Pry to hire Marve as LB coach, but to hire him as DC says he believes in him a TON. If I'm gonna trust Pry as HC then I gotta trust whoever he hires as DC.

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Lot of freaking out about hiring a guy with not a ton of experience to replace a guy without a ton of experience...who everyone freaked out that we hired in the first place and only did a mediocre job at best.

It's kinda like we wanted him to hire someone with a lot of experience.... Or at least some

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It's almost like our head coach, who led one of the best defenses in the country for the past 1/2 decade, is going to be the DC until he feels comfortable turning over play calling, and knows what he's doing.

Love the hire. We trust now. Verification will come in time.

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I don't understand this place sometimes. This guy has more years of power 5 coaching experience than the entire last staff combined. And, yet, somehow, he's not qualified?

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I don't get it either. There's an obvious connection to the Pry tree. Moreover, Pry said at his presser he's going to handover defensive play calling whenever the DC is ready. To me he's leveraging his ability to groom his DC (smart) and hopefully that a more cost effective strategy that leaves him more money to spend on what he's unfamiliar with (offense).

This is exactly how I'm viewing this hire. I think it makes sense to hire a project for a position that you're an expert in so you can develop them and spend more on a position you're not an expert in...

Agreed.
With that being said, I am officially making myself available for any project defensive coaching position for a mere ~$250k

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Hey Marve, Pry the Cheetah away from the buffet table and Quinn(t) eating all the PIE. Have you seen the Price of our OC?

this is exactly the comment I was planning to make. Pry stated his plan clear as day. How is this so hard to understand?

Agreed. Let Pry build his staff, this group of coaches so far has significantly more P5 experience than the last staff and much better recruiting ability. I think a lot of VT fans were convinced if we didn't get Anthony Poindexter, a freaking Hoo, as our DC it was a bust. Respect him as a player and coach, but let's not act like he's going to come into UVA and run the state. It's a major reach from a coaching standpoint when the AD wanted to go "big" and will probably turn out like the London era when he was there last. Steal a handful of touted guys but can't get anything together on the field.

Give me a staff full of proven P5 coaches and a blend of proven recruiters and player developers. I think we are going to make some splashes on the offense. Love what Derek Jones brings to the defensive side, and not worried since Pry knows what he's doing there.

I agree with exactly what Joe s saying here. I hope we can get an efficient OC. No need to keep any offensive staff, not even mullet vice. Get an oc and let him get his own staff

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Except that he's never been a DC before

Dude, Pry is DC. He's said it, publicly. He's calling plays until further notice. Marve is a top 40, highly regarded, up and coming coach being groomed to take over, only when Pry feels confident to let go.

He said it clearly. That's the plan. What's not to understand here? Dont look to Marve's previously DC experience, look to Pry's. Are you worried about Pry's defense? I'm not.

As I said before I trust Pry with the hire. But you guys are acting like it's crazy for anyone on the message board to question it.

With the 2nd highest paid staff in the ACC it's not outlandish to expect your defensive coordinator to have some prior experience as a dc. (Also Pry said he's give up playcalling either after spring or after year 1, "whenever he feels comfortable". Doesn't sound like a long term plan to me.)

I'm not acting like it's crazy, I'm pointing to the facts. You can question it, but when presented with the reality of what was said that should be the answer to your question right?

I don't think it's outlandish to expect that. Just as much as I don't think it's outlandish to accept that Pry intends to call plays and due to that I expect candidates that have DC experience or currently are DCs to want ownership of their defense and therefore not want a position where they do not have that level of ownership. I also think it's highly reasonable to understand the difference between Pry's definitive " I will be calling plays" and his deflection " maybe end of Spring, maybe after 1 year". You said it yourself, the underlying statement their is "when Pry feels comfortable" to hand it over. Final non-outlandish expectation, for someone who takes as much pride in his defense, clearly states he will be calling plays until he feels he can let go and hires a coach that is going to be groomed, I expect if/when Pry let's go and performance drops he will either take control again or find a new DC.

So, yes, understand why you, marcb and others are questioning it. It's not a crazy question. Not understanding the obvious answer to your question though seems to be the issue.

Birdbrains exclusive intel from a source inside the FSU program is that Marve is a great hire. One of the best coaches our source has ever been around and his players all agree. A great Xs and Os coach.

Feeling pretty dang good about Pry's defensive staff!

I mean not the Orji we're hoping for but can you really ever turn down an Orji?

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You know what? You're right. I don't want to know. I'm imagining an old grey hippie orgy. To each their own, but I'm gonna pass.

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I'm thinking (hoping) that there's a lot happening on the offensive side that we aren't privy to yet.

Coach Pry is gonna run the D and is getting his peeps in place.
But our (future) OC is otherwise involved; and it makes sense that Coach Pry is gonna let them make/announce the offensive hires on their timetable. It would be hard/wrong for anyone but the OC to make those hires-gotta fit the system.

Gonna need patience....

Or, we're just gonna play defense.

If the defense can outscore the opponents offense, I am good with it.

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We have a pretty damn good record when that is the case

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1. Marve learned under Pry and Derek Mason who is an excellent defensive coach and DC

2. For everybody questioning his recruiting, look at where he was. He was recruiting at Vandy, which is like recruiting for Duke if there was no in-state talent. He spent a single season at Miss St. Then he has spent a COVID season and the following season at an FSU program that had been absolutely torched. Who the hell was he supposed to recruit to any of those places? Have some situational awareness.

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I'm thinking you pointed out why this is a good hire:

1. Been in the system and understands it.
2. He has not had enough time to prove himself as a recruiter.
3. Pry has worked with him and must trust him to hire him as a DC.
4. Like others have said Pry plans to be hands on with the defense so he could be considered Co DC.

I think we have to see the product on the field before making any judgments on our new staff.

First and foremost, WB hired Pry to run the team. Pry needs to find the right guys for his vision and plan for success. JHam is a former hokie who seems really likable, and it's sad to see him go, but I would much prefer Pry get his guys than the added growing pains of trying to reconcile the former defense with the new defense. But really the point is moot, because the defense absolutely sucked over the past 2 years. Yes we improved statistically this year, but we had a pillow soft schedule with the exception of ND. But perhaps more importantly is the eye test, if you watched the games we were getting thrown around like rag dolls in the trenches (WVU was particularly tough to watch) and we just flat out could not tackle. I had never seen a more poor tackling VT team in all my years watching.

Second, on the "Meh's" for Marve. We do not need a high profile DC when our HC is already a premier defensive coach who wants to remain heavily involved on that side of the ball. Is the suggestion that we should have gotten a second Brent Pry? Which brings me to the bigger picture the value of these guys. This is what the defensive coaches were making in their previous gigs:

Marve: $500
Jones: $500
Price: $275
Quinn: $90

Even with big pay raises, these guys combine to bring very solid backgrounds of recruiting and player development, especially for the price tag. I look at it as he brought an elite recruiter (Jones) and a high upside and well regarded up and coming coach (Marve) for a pretty good price, and will have probably $3-$3.5m leftover to hire offensive staff.

Nolie friends on my sports blog are making fun of this hire, that is encouraging

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Yeah no one from FSU seems to be too sad that he's gone...

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and you know the chat Jander is referring to.

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Definitely high on previous experience.

Not sure nolie fans have much space to talk about coaching hires other schools are making these days, fwiw

Miami and FSU: doing less with more.

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Cristobal at UM already declared VanDyke the best QB in the country.

I hope that whole community's delusions of grandeur persist

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we might as well just forfeit already, as far as they're concerned

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So clearly-Miami is 'bak'? /s

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I take that as a positive actually

So if Penn State fans are sad to see Pry leave, that's a plus. But when FSU fans are glad to see Marve leave, that's a plus too?

At least folks are looking at things objectively...

Absolutely. Penn State isn't a program that's run by boosters who hire and fire on a whim. The fan base is a lot more stable then FSU's fan base. So yes, it can be both.

I just hope that we see some improved tackling on defense. I really like JHam, I played high school ball against him, there is no doubt that he is 100% a Dude and a true Hokie, with that being said, I cannot remember seeing such a poor basic tackling performance in my life than what I witnessed this year. So many wiffed tackles, one handed grabs, and people not wrapping up at all. You can have the greatest schemes, formations, and players in the world but if they are not fundamentally sound they will eventually fail. It seems like every game this year we had multiple, multiple situations where contact was made behind the line of scrimmage or close to it, that resulted in significant gains/first downs for the offense all because of poor tackling.

My description of the JHam defense is one word: Soft. I don't know if it can all be attributed to him (I think S&C is also a big factor), but over the years I just saw way too many games where the defense just gave up even trying to stop people

Here's the thing... The defense was soft before J'ham. Hell the entire team is soft. I don't think it's fair to J'Ham to suggest that is all on him. VT has had a major issue in the S&C department since Fuente arrived and that makes every coordinator look bad.

Is coronavirus over yet?

The tackling was bad this year, but last year was the worst tackling season I've ever witnessed

Not counting Pry as HC/DC, here's a breakdown of our known coaches' experience on the defensive side of the ball.

HC/AHC/DC/co-DC experience: 20 years (7 at P5 level)
Total experience: 65 years (22 at P5 level)

Does not include Graduate Assistantships

Counting Pry, that first data point bumps up to 37 and 18 years, and the second bumps up to 88 and 34 years.

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That's great! Even further, there some experience at schools considered to be powerhouses (PSU, LSU, and FSU) rather than exclusively bottom tier P5 programs!

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I don't know his skill as a coordinator- time will tell. But I'm definitely liking his feel/energy/youth. I think it will attract good players. Will see.

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We need to trust in Pry. He is hiring his guys to coach his defense. Also, according to FSU site, there would have been a buyout if Marve was hired to the same level of coach. By making him DC, we avoided the buyout. As has been said numerous times, Pry will be calling the plays and appears to be grooming Marve to be the DC.

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Will stay positive and hopeful, and yes I get it, 'Trust in Coach Pry...' (his attitude already has me hooked), but will admit, I don't have much to go on for this. Is this a good hire? I genuinely don't know.

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After careful consideration and consultation with my wife and family, I am happy to announce I did not have to accept the position as VT Football Defensive Coordinator.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

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Happy? Man I would do it just to be fired and bought out.

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The dude is a Vanderbilt grad, so I'd expect we're getting a pretty astute guy. Hopefully he knows how to break it down for the players and turn it into on-field success.

Here's my take on Marve FWIW...

It's hard to make broad generalizations about a guy who has had such a short career.

He's only had a true coaching position since 2016. 3 years at Vandy (which interstingly corresponded to his highest ranked signees).

A year at MSU in the dying year of the Moorhead tenure...hard to draw any real conclusions from that.

And 2 years at FSU..with mixed opinions on his success there.

From my standpoint, he's a bit of an unknown...and the one guy who arguably knows the most about him (Pry) picked him. That is encouraging to me.

I have some concerns about his Recruiting prowess, but I also suspect Derek Jones is gonna be the standout Recruiter who should help buoy any issues there.

The other concern is his age and relative inexperience, but Pry more or less said he will run the D until the D.C. is where he feels comfortable.

If Marve is a great teacher who can develop into a great playcaller, he is a guy who could be a huge success and not cost $1.5mil...which would be huge for us.

Marve can shape the X's and O's and Jones can get the Jimmys and Joes. I am all for it if it works.

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Ok, I'm old and don't know how to attach tweets etc copy and paste will have to do. McKenzie Milton tweeted the below regarding our new DC:

McKenzie Milton
@McKenzieMil10

Va Tech got themselves a great one πŸ”₯ y'all boys better finish thru that line..😭

I'm hoping he is being serious and we did get a great one!!

Go to the three dots in the upper right hand corner of the tweet, click on it and select "Embed Tweet" and then click the "Copy Code" button on the next page.

Any chance the former UCF king comes to tech?

Him and Burmeister will battle it out at slot receiver

I mean that's some pretty damn good company right there

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I dont trust a site that has Cornelson as a 5 out of 5

5 out of 5 what? Voices in his head yelling out nonsensical play calls?

"Sweep the jet, Brad, sweep the jet"

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"Blackshear is getting 9 yards a carry, put the backup QB in to run the ball."

Or throw it on 3rd and goal from the 2 when we have been running it great all day.

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Corn link

The reviews are from players. Ryan Willis was 1 of his 2 reviewers.

Seems like a pretty meaningless website/ranking for our context.

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On the defensive side of the ball Marve and Smitty are the young guys but both have already been on power 5 teams and learning and growing. Hot prospects as coaches. Where Marve lacks in experience we have Derek Jones, JC Price and Pry himself. Quinn is kind of unknown to me. But I like this balance and I know that Pry takes importance to the Lb position, taking Marve at this stage and grooming him will translate to better position leadership at the LB spot on the field which is the QB on defense. Strategically I like this Hire.

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