2021 Lane stadium capacity

Will be interesting to see if Northam announces higher numbers allowed in larger venues next week. Surprised to see VT put out a release before his announcement next week.

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The governor just upped the allowance for outdoor sporting events to 250 I believe to accommodate high school sports and stuff. I imagine he'll face pressure from minor league baseball teams and some other larger event places to expand the capacity limits heading into the summer as case numbers drop and vaccine numbers increase.

Agreed. With any luck seating capacity won't even be an issue by the time the season starts.

Why not set capacity limits based on people per 100 sq ft? The bigger the stadium the more people can spread out, so total number can be higher. Start at 4 per 100 sq ft and go up.

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Bathrooms, concessions, entrances, exits, medical and security facilities all have to factored not just seating.

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concessions is an easy fix, allow coolers

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That's accurate, but also the fact that an indoor 10,000 seat stadium (Cassell) was allowed the same capacity (250 people) as an outdoor 66,000 seat stadium (Lane) this season is pretty dumb imo.

Maybe you can't directly base it on square footage, but it should be a factor imo.

Lane was allowed 1,000. heck I got in to a game... It had to be Liberty...

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I'm sorry you can't go to games any more.

For a while they could have 1000 in Lane and they were talking about having 1000 (or at least >250) in Cassell too... Then it went down to 250 for both after a governor order in October I think

And all of those are based on capacities (occupancies) too. So more restrooms for larger facilities, larger entrance points, etc.

Concessions were outside if I recall (and can be limited and spaced out), so only the restrooms would be an "enclosed" area and you could regulate that by limiting people who enter, same for entrances.

So in a way, it's a wash and really shouldn't be an excuse.

Previously LowBrau.

Spacing in lines is the issue. They don't have enough ramp space to have lines spaced out for those amenities.

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Because...

"socially distanced seating and lines"

I'm just imagining the massive mobs to get into North endzone that are terribly uncomfortable in hindsight (even without covid)

Maybe I'm crazy...but I would sign a waiver citing no responsibility to the university for going to a football game as long as I adhered to the mask mandate and whatever else the state wants. I want to live my life safely, but not in constant fear...be responsible, be smart...but not completely recluse. If anyone is worried then by all means don't go to the games and stay safe as you see fit. At least give us an option to be around each other as safely as possible and live our lives. I'm sure the team and the kids would be happy even if there's only 20,000 rooting them rather than cardboard cutouts...let's go....

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I really strongly disagree with many aspects of this take.

What is keeping you in constant fear if you're confident in your safety practices?

I'm not seeing the relationship to attending hokie football games

Can't say I'm surprised by the downvotes, however unjustified

Didn't down vote anyone, but I think the OP is not saying they are living in fear so much as that the authorities not allowing people in is the problem. He is not going to live in fear and is willing to take the risk and attend games while taking whatever the recommended precautions are. But if seating is so limited, they cannot get one of the tickets in.

Only issue I have with the OP is that, here in the US, signing a waiver does not mean much. Idiots do dumb things all the time and personal injury lawyers will still try and get lots of money, waiver or not. And if you are the defense, even if you win, you still have to pay the costs to defend yourself. And you don't always win.

Please note, I am in no way suggesting the OPer is an idiot. I'm sympathetic and agreeing with them in theory and believe they would be good/responsible. Just saying that, unfortunately, even if people sign waivers it may not matter in the US based on other people's behavior and out litigious society.

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That's another good point. I didn't think of that.

I'm with you, I don't think OP has any malicious intent here. However, I have ZERO faith in all 20k people strictly adhering to mask wearing (including wearing them correctly and wearing a mask that is actually effective), social distancing, and responsible behavior. In addition, the effects of spreading the virus many days after exposure and that can only be contained through responsible behavior (and aren't covered by waivers).

My observations have been while many people I see out and about wearing masks, few people wear effective ones (snugly around the chin, tight fitting nose wire, at least double layer high thread count cloth), and there are congregations of people outside seemingly not caring at all.

Adherence to the guidelines seems more ceremonial and following a rule than trying to deliberately keep everyone around us safe.

As VT is a leader in science and technology, I think VT also needs to be a leader in following good public health policy.

My observations have been while many people I see out and about wearing masks, few people wear effective ones (snugly around the chin, tight fitting nose wire, at least double layer high thread count cloth), and there are congregations of people outside seemingly not caring at all.

The problem is, its not just the people who aren't following the guidelines that don't care, its the hypocracy of these large corporations and business that say there are all for following guildelines and restrictions for the health of our nation, but we all know that is BS, still comes down to money... Example... Went to three different college football cities to watch a game that allowed fans. In the airport, they wanted us to social distance from everyone while waiting in lines, but once you're in the plane, that mother fucker was packed shoulder to shoulder in every row. So when I hear or read signs saying "Your safety is our number 1 priority", I laugh my ass off.

If you don't practice what you preach, it's hard for people to listen to the message/guidelines.

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Very good discussion and I see all points of view....I'm sometimes a too glass half full person I guess...but honestly it's a good discussion to have and I appreciate the feedback and no one is right or wrong. Cabin fever man...figuring out daycare with full time parents, figuring out school...the whole thing is a burden on us all. I agree the waiver wouldnt mean much because of
All the folks out there that would just take advantage of a bad situation. Anyway if I get a chance I'll be out there as responsible and safely as possible trying to live life. Hang in there fellas and hope for the best...love you all!๐Ÿ‘Š๐Ÿป๐Ÿ™

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Good post... I think everybody is getting that Cabin fever feeling... I just wish there was more advocacy of the other ways to fight against the virus... All we hear/see in today's news is "wear a mask", "don't go out if you don't have to" and "social distance" for the most part (which all of them makes sense), but there are so many more facets of the solution to this virsus (and any virus/sickness) that isn't being talked about enough. Such as make sure you are drinking plenty of water, get your vitamin D (or just vitamins in general), get plenty of sleep, etc. The most basic/common stuff things to do to help boost your immune system.

Those things seem so simple but never get talked about. I mean, washing your hands seems so simple/obvious, but we even needed to say that too in the beginning.

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Eventually we will have to get back to some type of new normal. We as human beings and a society just can't stay away from each other or social situations forever. My wife and I are fully vaccinated, and we are being told that we still need to social distance from others, wear a mask, and stay at home whenever possible. I'm hopeful that we can achieve some level of vaccination, immunity, and acceptable risk this summer, as there are real mental and physical health detriments, not to mention overall economic detriments, to being forced to stay away from one another and ultimately not do the things that make us who we are. It's such a difficult situation, but the new normal cannot be to just simply avoid one another. This past year has been so challenging and we need to find a way to overcome it together.

We keep hearing "wear a mask", "don't go out if you don't have to" and "social distance" because its literally the bare fucking minimum that we can do to help reduce spread. Its the part that everyone can control in their own lives, and yet.... Nope, we're too fucking stupid and selfish to even do that part effectively.

I can't wait to get the vaccine, just so I can stop worrying about the fucking stupidity of everyone around me.

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whoa lol.... not sure why for the hostility post. All I said is their needs to be/should have been more messaging than just the "wear a mask", "don't go out if you don't have to" and "social distance" messaging. That messaging should absolutely continue, but the other messaging (drink water, take vitamins, excercise, get enough sleep) I was referring about is never talked about, which are all basic to human health and recovery.

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From what I have seen is some have varying safety practices.

Here in DC, there are definitely different states of mind of how hard to go on this.

My alleyway is a great example. We have neighbors who are basically hermits and their kids don't go anywhere (not to the store or anything, other than family's homes), while others have their kids in other activities.

Out of all of my close neighbors, I'm the only one that still goes into the office and have been pretty much through this whole thing.

So definitely different comfort levels and thoughts on safety precautions. The neighborhood groups and listservs have been interesting showing how fearful some are versus others for sure.

Previously LowBrau.

I should have both of my shots by then. Does that open up seating for fully vaccinated?

I just got my second shot and it was hinted to me that the record might be sort of a key to let people in to some events such as concerts!

I agree... I'd be willing to sign a waiver citing no responsibility to university. I'd be willing to distance, wear a mask, and whatever safety precautions are recomended.

Data shows if you're 50 years or younger and in good health, you should be fine with this virus. BUT if you are coming home to people or going to places where the people are old and/or sick, then I don't think you should be going to the games/places of mass gatherings. That is just common sense... Now is there reckless people? Absolutely, but I don't think they represent the majority. Never was going to be a perfect fix.

IMO you need to give the people to option to go out and live their lives. Life is never 100% safe or risk free. When you jump in your car to drive wherever, you are taking a risk, not just youself, but others around you... If you don't feel safe going to a game and/or you feel like you could spread it to more susceptible people, then don't go to the game.

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First, legally speaking, waivers don't mean anything and don't hold up in court. They scare people from suing, thinking they signed away that right. Second, it's not just about the fans in attendance, it's about all the people they in turn come in contact with, and the people those people come in contact with, etc.

So sure, you don't want to live in fear, but you go to a game with 20,000 people, come home to wife a kids. Both you and wife go to work the next day, kids go to school. It's not just about the people in attendance being "safe" or agreeing not to sue.

So sure, you don't want to live in fear, but you go to a game with 20,000 people, come home to wife a kids. Both you and wife go to work the next day, kids go to school. It's not just about the people in attendance being "safe" or agreeing not to sue.

As I stated above, if you are coming home to sick or old people, or going to be in contact with other people, you shouldn't go to the game. This also includes your example. If you are going to work the next Monday and surround yourself with other people (don't work from home) and/or you come home to your children who have in class/person schooling, then one would say don't go to the game to eliminate the spread.

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That's a really nice thought, but entirely unenforceable and unrealistic to expect people to display that much self awareness/control/restraint. It seems we disagree, which is fine, but I'm not going to say any more to avoid say more to respect community guidelines on this.

Unenforceable, yes you are correct. Realistic for everyone to abide by? Probably not, but like I said above too, there are no perfect fix/fixes. Going to be reckless people no matter what unfortunately. We enforce against drunk driving but thousands of people drink and drive every day, but that doesn't stop you or anyone to get in their car everyday. We take multiple risks everyday from when we wake up, and most of them we don't even think about. Thankfully with vaccine starting to roll around, we can start (in a safe manner) returning to a normal life.

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The nursing home a friends relative is in is actually working on something like this for the few residents who refused the vaccine so that when they open the doors to friends and family since all other residents are vaccinated so that if they get the virus its not the facilities fault in the sense that they had the right to refuse and will be liable if they contract it. Still no update on it being figured out but I do know its a work in progress.

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By the fall, Lane should be at full capacity. At the gate show your vaccine card and wear a mask until you get to your seat. Biden has already said by summer the vaccine will be widely available to everyone. Let the people who have the antibodies from a past infection or vaccine live normal lives. As a society we must start to get back to normal with the amount of people that have had COVID or had the vaccine being around half the population by summer.

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You must be super young expecting common sense from the government ;)

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Available and able to be vaccinated are two different things. Expect those doses to be completely given by end of October at earliest.

Mom is in her 80's and was just added to the waiting list in her state for her first shot. I am on a waiting list because I am water/sewer engineer. My wife has had both shots because she is a day care teacher.

It is crazy in some cases who gets and doesn't get. Some states are also far better. VA has rolled out mass numbers of locations. Some states only have mass shot centers that require people to wait in lines for hours.

Yea, WSJ said that at our current rate, everyone who wants a vaccine will have their first dose by January 2022, and it will be an addition 6-8 months before everyone gets their second dose. I'm hoping we can increase the speed that we administer vaccinations, but I'm not confident.

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I think the scarier thing is that 60% of the medical field employees that have been offered the vaccine have said NO.

not directed at you specifically, but more of a general comment and this was the best place to put it:

everything in this discussion so far has been in-bounds, so let's please keep it that way

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60% of the time it works every time?

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โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

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Even if there were no COVID, would Lane really be at full capacity this coming season? I highly doubt more than 50k would even show up, such is the state of the program.

in normal (non-covid) years, if the state of the program is how it is now, I would 100% agree... But I think with people for the most part not being able to go to a sports game/Hokies football game, people dying to get inside in Lane, no matter how much of a shit show it is.

Do I think full capacity? No... Been a while since we had that in normal times, but I could easily see 50-55k+ for first home game or first big home game.

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people dying to get inside in Lane,

poor choice of words

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That's a cemetery Dad joke and lately Lane had had the same enthusiasm as a cemetery (thanks Covid) soooooo only missed by a little.

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There will be a lot of pent up demand to get out and experience the public side of life that, in theory, should drive up the sales for seats in 2021. But, there is a major counter-balance to that theory when it comes the current version of the VT Hokies. If ticket sales are bad in 2021, that should be a major red flag to the AD.

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I will be interested to see how it balances out between pent up frenzy to get back to normal versus the number of people that have had their cycle of tradition or habit broken long term. I would think less fall away, but I could see some historic season ticket holders gain a sudden appreciation for HDTV.

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I would be extremely surprised if many of the 20-30 year season ticket holders all of a sudden decide not to go for anything other than health concerns. You have to remember how much time and energy they have put in to going to games.

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Hard disagree with this because many people like myself would give anything to be at a live game just for the social aspect of being at a large event and being able to just be social for once. Almost a year on since we were told 2 weeks to flatten the curve has made alot of people itch to go to concerts and sporting events in ways we didnt know we needed to and now that alot of people have had that taken away I would be on sold out stadiums everywhere once things get to where the restrictions get lifted.

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This thread seems to be walking dangerously close to a line we aren't supposed to cross here. Also, a friendly reminder that under Virginia law, liability waivers are generally unenforceable and deemed in violation of public policy (there are exceptions).

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For those interested, the UK PM just released new guidelines where starting May 17th sporting event venues(outdoor I assume) will be allowed to operate at 25% capacity up to 10,000 attendants. Good news to see the beginning hopefully of returning to normal for outdoor events.

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