January 2021 Football Recruiting Thread

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I, for one, appreciate the time and effort to put together that big board. The Excel nerd in me is happy.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Awesome stuff Chris!

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Wow, good stuff Chris. You are a saint for putting in the effort and must have more hope than I that the staff will be able to close on some of these.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

I appreciate all the kind words but I believe it was GGC who put together the big board!

We just hadn't made a January recruiting thread yet so I made one late last night. The link to the big board was in the previous months' threads as well.

Wish I could take credit, but I just saw someone share the link to the big board in a previous recruiting thread and have been including ever since. I believe someone at vtscoop (maybe tsl?) maintains it?

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The mystery of the big board continues. Our thanks to our anonymous google sheets king. queen.

Edit: seems like I may have made an inaccurate assumption.

I'm glad it's being done this way. The 247 embeds seem to make the thread lag more.

Embeds are definitely still great to post, but I agree that over time it seemed like posting a ton of them caused page loading to slow down quite a bit. I'm sure that also depends on your computer.

I believe I'm the one who shared it, it's kept up by Hokie4Life12 on 247. She does a great job!

I don't know if anyone uses Notion, but it would be the ideal UI for a recruiting board since you can drag, drop, color code, tag. Here's a GIF of their board view:

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I bet we get close to 2,000 players in the portal this year.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I think our scholarship limits would prevent us from taking that many players.... /s

Tristan Leigh (5-star OT from Fairfax) signed with Clemson. I know his ship sailed long ago with Tech. His recruitment early on was promising with regards to the Hokies because he's a cousin of the Edmunds family. I don't have hallucinations that Tech should land every blue-chip from VA, but the Hokies didn't even make his top group. These are the kids marquee kids, the ones with prior relationships, that Fuente needs to land to make a difference.

Clemson was the worst possible outcome for us as well as we were unlikely to ever face OU or LSU during his time here. One of their appeals was being closer to home for family.

I agree that we need to start landing some of these kids, but objectively, who would choose VT over Clemson right now if they had both offers?

We can judge Fuente on a lot of things, and he is lacking in most of them, but when Clemson comes calling, for most kids I don't think it would matter who the coach at VT was.

Fuente needs to improve recruiting. Losing a 5* kid to Clemson is the expectation for every ACC team. Both can be true.

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I agree, on the average the expectation is Clemson wins the recruiting battle. At some point though, you have to win one of those battles in order to get some momentum rolling. The family connection was a nice "in" to flip the script.

I'm not confident that the current staff will win any significant recruiting battle at this point. Once the train starts going downhill it's hard as hell to stop, let alone turn it around.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I know its unfair to complain about a global pandemic affecting us more than someone else, but Tapp, Teernlick, and Ryan Smith, three guys a lot of people thought would do well on the train, got a combined like 2 weeks on the trail. Now momentum is undoubtedly against us which will hurt, but I could see those three winning some battles.

I think this is legit - I agree we need to change the status quo and win some, but I do think that the limitations of the pandemic make it virtually impossible for any team (including VT) to change their recruiting trajectory in the middle of this situation. Good will stay good and mediocre will stay that way without some sort of event to change the winds of fickle recruits.

I am anxious to see how those guys can do that given the legit chance. I think they have a good shot to win a few.

I agree we need to start winning some battles, but I'm not sure a 5* player is on our to-do list. Let's start by winning some 4* battles and then work our way up a bit.

"I told them, we're going to catch those guys. It may not be, and it wasn't Saturday night, but that's a fact."
-Justin Fuente, the TTL after the Clemson game, 2017.
If we are going to resign every blue chip to Clemson now, then goal posts have moved a lot in a couple years under Fuente.

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I don't really know what happened in hindsight. I think about 2016 and much of 2017, and just how much more aggressive we were and how much better the execution on offense was. Also we used to have coaches mic'd up videos, Snapchat/instagram videos from practice, and even the Sunday morning VT Sports Today show. I don't know what happened in the off-season after 2017, but the overall direction of this program shifted immensely and the walls went up. It coincided almost immediately with the extension.

Galen Scott dismissal. There's a whole threads on other sites on how this fucked with Fuente. I don't quite believe all the Fuente bad juju, but Scott was a major positive with the locker room and recruiting during the transition.

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recruiting during the transition.

Hell of a mom recruiter too.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

That mom was 800% committed to the VT D

Everyone will make jokes, but Galen was the secret weapon that helped mitigate Fu's personality differences. Every head coach needs a guy who brings that player level credibility in good times and bad and Galen was that guy initially.

Fu hasn't found that guy since and the team culture has suffered at times as a result - some misunderstood and some Fu's miss evaluation of what is needed at the player level due to not having that voice in his ear to redirect or in that player or parents ear to effectively translate why and intentions of various situations.

If Fu can learn this and find that guy he has a chance, but if not the current issues will continue. J Ham has a chance to be that guy....

He was clearly the players' coach. I don't know the details, but it fucked with Fu's head. They had been close for years. If I recall, he was named the AHC when he got hired, no?

I do believe JHam and TNT are going to be those guys. I think Smith has a shot at doing that as well.

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We bet big on young/unproven coaches. We will sink or swim by them in the coming years I think.

I think Pierson Prioleau could be the guy. I do not see JHam being GScott, but more of an even-keeled Beamer type.

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Same thing with Holoman Wiggins leaving for Bama. He had charisma that you can't learn.

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Then go hire him back! It's not like Claeys is good. And hes expensive.

The current VT coach helped get two of your cousins to the NFL, and VT doesn't even make your first round of cuts? From the school that preaches 'this is home' and has a history of recruiting and landing family members over an extended period of time? The fact that we weren't even considered despite having an 'in' and despite being a program built on a family atmosphere is not good.

If it were any other player, I'd agree with you're extremely level headed take.

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This. Beamer pulled Kendall. Fuente should have at least gotten an honorable mention

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Would we really be saying this isn't a problem if we made the top 10 list and still lost? I doubt it

I think it would be more understandable.

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Not really a fair comp tjb. Kendall still had a brother on the roster when he arrived on campus and still may have had 2 on the roster when he was being recruited. I do believe that Fuente should have made the final list but comparing 2 cousins that were gone 3/4 yrs before you will be on campus to getting to actually play with your big bro is apples to oranges.

I think Leigh had a parent or two go to uva?

So it's not just the Edmundii cousins. The entire context needs to be considered.

UVA can't even pull a legacy, look at those clowns!

Five star recruits are going to believe in their rankings and nearly always end up at schools in the current top ten of CFB because they think that it represents their best route to the NFL. Exceptions happen, but rarely. And they like winning championships, of course. VT simply has to return to top ten rankings in order to have a legit shot at pulling those golden recruiticorns. I am not holding my breath with this staff/head whistle.

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Per the Athletic article that just came out, that's definitely not the case. Not going to link the article or quote it but basically the jist was if they lose a game, they just say "If we had you out there, we would have won" "early playing time" etc.

Prospects care WAY more about making to the NFL than winning at the college level and are going to make their decision based on what gives them the least resistant path the NFL. Rankings don't matter. If Alabama went 0-12 for the next three years but kept their NFL production, they would still get top five classes.

Teams currently not in the AP Top 10 that signed a 5 star recruit, pre 247 Sports:

Southern Cal
Washington
Miami
Wisconsin
Maryland
Texas
Michigan
LSU
UNC

Maryland hasn't played in a bowl since 2016. If they can recruit elite players, why can't VT? If Wisconsin can land a 5 star player, why can't VT?

And yet, the significant majority of five star players still go to the top ten programs. Recency bias is a factor for a program like Clemson, historical success is a factor, coach personality and geography too. Many things go into these decisions, but choosing a program that will succeed in moving a young man to the NFL is the overriding factor for blue chips, imho. Winning College championships is not what recruits are most interested in, I agree. However, championships are fantastic program advertising to convince recruits that a coaching staff is competent at high level player development. I maintain that VT won't attract top talent until we start consistently winning the Coastal and the ACC on occasion.

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the significant majority of five star players still go to the top ten programs

Just to add some context to this statement, there's just under 30 5-star players per year. Per 247, in 2020, there were 28, committed to 13 different schools (Clemson, UGA, Texas, Oregon, SCar, USC, Alabama, Auburn, OSU, LSU, Washington, TAMU, Notre Dame)

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There are historically ~30-40 a year. 247 recently made it a hard limit; there are now 32 per year (corresponding with a round of nfl picks, I guess).

This article was from early signing day, so that means there were 4 undecided 5-Star players going into signing day.

It wasn't that long ago (like, the 2019 recruiting class) that VT was recruiting in the 20s and landing 4 star guys while being in the discussion for 5 star guys. I'm not ready to accept that mid-40s recruiting and never being competitive for blue chip talent is the new normal.

The mid-4 star guys used to be VT's bread and butter and it's the biggest problem we have right now. They're never going to put you in the CFP (at least not on a consistent basis) but they ARE going to keep you as a competitive team in the Coastal that can at least avoid completely embarrassing itself on a bi-weekly basis.

VT used to pull at least a handful of those guys to headline every class. For some reason Fuente has completely lost the ability to recruit them and a portion of the fanbase has grouped them in with the 5-stars as just an unattainable goal and that's just simply not true. And when you can get those guys regularly, it at least attracts the attention of the 5-stars and keeps you in the conversation for them as well, even if you only actually pull one of them every 5 years or so like we used to. Right now we get none of the 4-stars and the 5-stars just laugh us off as a result.

Exceptions means there's not a rule

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Populations of cities where the school is located:

Southern Cal: 12.4M+ (LA)
Washington: 3.4M+ (Seattle)
Miami: 486k
Wisconsin: 264k (Madison)
Maryland: 5.3M+ (DC)
Texas: 2M+ (Austin)
Michigan: 328k (Ann Arbor)
LSU; 216k+ (Baton Rouge)
UNC: 2M+ (Triangle area)

Virginia Tech: 44k+ (Blacksburg)

I had a soccer player who went to NCSU say that while Tech's campus was a lot nicer than State's, she couldn't see herself spending 4 years in Blacksburg.

As much as we might love it, it's not for everyone.

I think this may be a reason we have more success with transfers versus high school recruits. I think many of these kids envision all this "stuff" they want to be able to do in the metro areas. Truth is, you're going to be playing football, going to class, and keeping your head down.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Also, Fu's personality resonates better with older transfers who have been through the grind vs. HS players. Those transfer kids always have respected his style and have good things to say whereas the HS players it's much different and wide-ranging in responses. It's much more straight forward, less sales pitch in some ways and more here is the deal which Fu is good at.

I'm not making an excuse - just a fact. The HS recruit is getting to see the world a bit and they don't always respond as well to the here is how it is speech. Just depends on the kid and the delivery.

No one was saying any of these things before the SI article came out. It's an excuse.

Or maybe it's information that we now have because of reporting? I'm really tired of the idea that everything is an "excuse".

Sometimes things don't work out and it isn't your fault. If your boss treated you with the same attitude that we treat Fuente, I'm pretty sure you would be looking for a new job pretty soon. Nothing creates a poor work environment like unreasonable expectations and lack of understanding when setbacks occur.

So, to be clear, Fuente's job performance is not currently adequate AND there are structural issues that might make it harder to attract talent to VT.

Both are true. If we don't recognize the issues that are specifically related to the school and not the coach, we will never be able to fairly judge the performance of any future coach and will be forever complaining about how our coaches always have "excuses" when in fact it simply is a result of an uneven playing field.

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Well said. Things get labeled as an excuse as if the poster bringing it up is an apologist. Whether it is a reason or an excuse, crossing our arms and puffing that excuses are tired gets us nowhere. There are advantages and disadvantages to every school. In general, every P5 school offers a kid the same thing, and it is up to the kid to pick the best environment for himself. It is up to the coaches to persuade them that VT is that best environment. For some, persuasion will work, and for others, we won't make the short list for reasons unique to them. Fuente is not great at selling this program to the higher rated recruits. It is a problem, but no coach is going to come in and recruit like a blue blood. That doesn't mean another coach won't be better at it than Fuente though. That coach will have to recognize the "excuses" that come with the program and overcome it. Just like every other school is trying to do.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I'm not sure "Fuente is incapable of doing a big part of the job" is the defense of Fuente you think it is.

If I performed poorly at my job and lowered my employer's profile while alienating everyone, my boss wouldn't go on a Zoom call and make excuses for me. That's called accountability, which is for suckers that don't have a huge buyout.

Recruiting dropped sharply after the mass exodus in 2019 and subsequent SI article. VT couldn't recruit at places it used to do well. The Hail Mary to recruit in Texas has done nothing except further worsen relationships between VT and VA high schools. You all are looking at matches, logs, and a bottle of lighter fluid and concluding you should build a bicycle. It's not complicated.

I see the matches, logs, and lighter fluid but it raining outside.

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So you're saying it's a facilities issue..?

VT football needs MOAR buildings with indoor fireplaces or they will never be able to compete!!!

How can you set fire to something when it's raining outside!?!?!

"concluding you should build a bicycle." lol, I was dyin'.

I'm stating what the situation is for a fair evaluation not saying it should be accepted as is, but rather what is the problem and then what is a viable solution if Fu is still the guy.

If you would read it vs being defensive you might catch on as this has nothing to do with any article, but rather my own interpretation plus a little knowledge of the program.

Here's what Babcock had to say about Fuente when he was hired:

"Justin is a very impressive individual who also happens to be one of the brightest offensive minds in college football. He elevated Memphis to unprecedented heights. His recruiting philosophy is progressive and comprehensive. Coach Fuente has displayed tremendous talent in evaluating players and developing young men as they strive to reach their full potential. Simply put, Coach Fuente exudes all the qualities that Hokies hold near and dear."

And here's what Fuente said to expect for the 2021 recruiting class:

"I think it's got a chance to be the most important class in some time at Virginia Tech. Our aim is to have it be an elite class, and we're off to a great start. We've still got lot of work to do. I do think we're in great position with people that we've been developing relationships with for a long time. So I'm incredibly optimistic.

You tell me if either of those quotes have materialized.
Babcock didn't think he was getting the recruiting equivalent of Bill Snyder 2.0. No one thought Fuente had a problem with high school kids when he was an assistant coach. No one thought Fuente had a problem with high school kids when he coached at Memphis. No one thought Fuente had a problem with high school kids when he landed 7 4-star kids in the 2019 class (including flipping a guy from Ohio State) despite the season being a dumpster fire. This idea that he somehow "can't connect" with kids in high school as far as I can tell has been invented out of whole cloth. Guys who can't connect at all don't become college head coaches because that's an important part of the gig. You're acting like Fuente's been on the job for a month when he's been here for 5 years and under zero pressure to change anything from what he's doing.

To quote Bill Parcells, you are what your record says you are.

Your point is what it is and fair. My point is that you are completely missing my point which is intended as assessment only

Also, Fu's personality resonates better with older transfers who have been through the grind vs. HS players. Those transfer kids always have respected his style and have good things to say whereas the HS players it's much different and wide-ranging in responses. It's much more straight forward, less sales pitch in some ways and more here is the deal which Fu is good at.

Gregg Popovich always talks about when they're doing player evaluations, they're looking for guys who are "over themselves". I think Fuente's personality works well on those type of kids as well - the high school kids who aren't going to every camp possible in order to artificially inflate their ranking.

I get that and would personally be inclined to agree, but the problem with that mentality is that you can't recruit a championship (ACC or otherwise) roster that way.

Overall I think this holds true.

I think a program like Wisconsin disproves that - we easily out recruited them 2015-18 and they've had more success than we have over the past three years. But they're more the exception than the rule.

Agreed. I think that helps get some kids like Dorian Strong. I think my point is that if that is true Fu needs a counter-style on staff to balance out for kids who might be growing into that mentality and not there yet.

My point is he is the coach for better or worse and his ability to overcome and succeed will be rooted in two things
1) ability to acknowledge and accept this weakness
2) take action to improve himself in whatever way possible to address this weakness, but more importantly to game plan how your staff can supplement this weakness and recruit talent that you as the head man might not be successful with

I'm not saying recruit players who don't fit, but do what any organization does and address weakness with the resources you have - acknowledgement is the key.

Great point HH. Most of the kids we are recruiting don't want to spend 3/4 yrs a place like Blacksburg without the chance of winning big..........

If I was playing for a team that went 5-6 and was a second-string guy, I'd probably want to transfer too.

I find this interesting. If you were second string on a team that went 5-6,....why would you think anyone else would want you?
I could understand if you were a starter and didn't have faith in the coaches/system, but if you're not good enough to win the spot on a losing team how do you expect to win that spot on a better one?

I would venture to say that 80% of P5 football players think they're going to play in the NFL regardless if they're on a winning team or not which is a reflection of the irrational confidence of the typical 18-21-year-old.

Ok I can understand that.

You're conveniently leaving out Clemson (44K including Anderson), Happy Valley (PSU, 42k), Tuscaloosa (101k), Auburn (66k), College Station TX (116k)

While I agree that Blacksburg isn't for everyone, it appears you're suggesting that city schools appeal to recruits, and rural campus do not. This is very misleading.

My current theory (I've wanted to run a quick regression to see if this is true, but I haven't found a quick way to capture the data) is that when it comes to location/recruiting, what matters is distance to recruits (AKA, avg recruit rating per mile away from your school - this impacts how far you have to travel to recruit players, how far they have to travel to visit you, which ultimately impacts your ability to create relationships), and distance to recruiting competition (how many other schools have the same level of access to that recruit). Obviously the school's reputation also plays a part.

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Be careful, Chris will be here shortly to tell you that the expanded metropolitan area around Clemson is huge, and the proximity to places like Atlanta negates the size of the town.

That is sort of what bar is saying too. Town size means less than proximity. I would think proximity plays a huge role in scheduling visits (official and non-official). Regardless, it isnt something that can't be mitigated, but it takes resources, effort, and a bit of charisma. I think we lack a little in resources and charisma. Sounds like resources are going to be addressed (even if too late). Charisma may need to come from outside the HC.

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I made a quick clarifying edit to my post, but I very much agree with Chris. From my initial comment:

My current theory (I've wanted to run a quick regression to see if this is true, but I haven't found a quick way to capture the data) is that when it comes to location/recruiting, what matters is distance to recruits (AKA, avg recruit rating per mile away from your school - this impacts how far you have to travel to recruit players, how far they have to travel to visit you, which ultimately impacts your ability to create relationships), and distance to recruiting competition (how many other schools have the same level of access to that recruit). Obviously the school's reputation also plays a part.

If Atlanta and Charlotte have both increased in population by 10% (I'm making this number up for the purposes of this exercise) then the number of football players has also increased around 10%, and it's fair to say the number of 'good' football players has increased by a similar percentage. If Clemson's 'average recruit rating per mile away from the school' increased from .1 rating per mile to .11, that's fairly significant.

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You're conveniently leaving out that thise schools are also closer to major metro areas or have multiple major metro areas/recruiting hotbeds within 3 hours drive.

Blacksburg is near the bottom of the P5 list when it comes to the combination of proximity to top recruits and proximity to major metro areas.

Then throw in program cache and resources. It's an uphill climb for VT.

It's not a popular notion for message boards to look in the mirror, but frankly the football program has punched more above it's weight class than it's alumni, fanbase and other benefactors have with regard to financial support.

You're conveniently leaving out that thise schools are also closer to major metro areas or have multiple major metro areas/recruiting hotbeds within 3 hours drive.

I did not leave this out, in fact, it was the whole point of my post:

My current theory (I've wanted to run a quick regression to see if this is true, but I haven't found a quick way to capture the data) is that when it comes to location/recruiting, what matters is distance to recruits (AKA, avg recruit rating per mile away from your school - this impacts how far you have to travel to recruit players, how far they have to travel to visit you, which ultimately impacts your ability to create relationships),

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Yep, we've long been in agreement about these things.

For example, I always hear y'all talk about how small the local schools are in the NRV... DW Daniel HS which has multiple current NFL players, and produces P5 players regularly (minutes from Clemson's campus) has 1,100 students.

My high school in Anderson SC, is the highest classification in SC, almost 1900 students, and we produce P5 players regularly with a few NFL guys. Our rival high school in the city has 1700 students, and also produces FBS players. Population doesn't tell the whole story.

Fair enough. I was reading on my phone and my ADD mistakenly stopped me from reading your entire message.

Move VT athletics to Richmond

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When Beamer started recruiting for the ACC, he made NC a priority. And we got some talent out of NC. Greensboro, Triangle, Charlotte, are all within 3-4 hrs of Blacksburg. Fuente and Co are doing this, maybe not as well as we'd like to see, but they have made NC a priority.

Meanwhile, we've made recruiting in roads into East Tennessee, Knoxville is 4 hrs from BBurg, and Kentucky, Lexington is 5 hrs.

We have kept the GA pipeline rolling, even with a 6hr+ drive to Bburg from ATL. Georgia, and I'll die on this hill, is the pipeline state we need to hit with those mid 3 star kids. Similar to Florida, the HS competition is there, and the 3 star kids would likely be 4 or 5 star kids in other states. We have found plenty of contributors in Georgia, and will continue to do so.

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The VT staff (whoever is on it) needs to figure out a way to recognize that Virginia talent is overated while also paying enough attention to it that doesn't hurt the fragile feelings of the coaches at those schools.

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The last two years Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU, ND, Florida, Penn State, and UNC have signed players ranked in the Top 10 in Virginia. Who should I believe, the upper echelon of schools, or John Iezzi doing world-class spin work on a friendly podcast?

Top ten in VA is talented. But from what I hear, we get a black eye for not offering top 30 guys. We can't survive on VA alone, but we also need to not offend the coaches of the real talent. For some reason, out of state schools are allowed to cherry pick while we get labeled as being "too good" for VA schools.

Edit: I should clarify as well, that there are great takes outside the top ten, but typically at that point, you are likely being more selective for specific needs and scheme fits.

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For some reason, out of state schools are allowed to cherry pick while we get labeled as being "too good" for VA schools.

Did those schools have a recruiting director come on a podcast and shit on the entire in state player base?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Maybe, I don't listen to other schools podcasts.

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Those pipelines are great, but ultimately the last two classes have not provided the level of talent necessary to win the Coastal. We're landing mid-3-stars today, but we need to start landing high-level 3-stars/low-level 4-stars and a few mid-level 4-stars each year.

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And we need to beat teams we do have more talent than, liberty, Pitt, Odu, Georgia tech, UVA

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Also, for what it's worth, Chapel Hill is closer (geographically and travel time) to the 757 than Blacksburg. Not saying that as an excuse but an explanation. We need to do better but the idea that we're closer to home for them isn't entirely correct from a logistical standpoint.

A 1 hour difference does not seem like a big deal to me.

It's not just the 1 hour. It's the 1 hour closer + better recruiters + Jordan brand

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Sure, but the OP only referenced the travel distance. When I checked out the difference from Blacksburg to VA Beach vs. Chapel Hill to VA Beach, I was expecting it to be a much greater for the poster to be using it as an advantage for UNC. I agree, there are other factors, but UNC should not have a huge advantage over us in the 757 because they are 1 hour closer.

I don't think much about trips under three hours. Longer than that though and it seems that my discomfort curve starts to rise exponentially. Just my $0.02.

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I think Hokie Fireman hit the nail on the head:

Blacksburg couldn't have been located farther away from VA population centers.

The reality is, every VA population center is closer to other P5 schools than VT (except Richmond). It's a disadvantage, but not one that can't be overcome. Unfortunately, we don't have the personnel or the resources to overcome this. And the personnel who are supposed to be good young recruiters (JHam, Smith, Wiliams) are sidelined by COVID.

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isn't Richmond closer to UVA than it is to VT?

(or is that the joke)

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uva aside-nc state, duke, unc are all closer to Richmond than VT

UVA is most certainly closer to Richmond than VT

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You must have missed the 'P5' part of my comment....

Wasn't intended to be a joke, but I'm not passing ul the opportunity to take a shit at UVA

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How exactly does one 'take a shit at UVA'?. Because I would like to try it.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

Autocorrect strikes again... meant to say 'take a shot,' but alas, my hate for UVA is just too great.

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Bend over and spread em I reckon

Vs in state, Vick brand. Better recruiters is the key

I wasn't leaving them out. They weren't included in the list that was presented.

I also wasn't suggesting that city schools appeal to recruits more than rural ones. I am simply pointing out that the schools on that list are nearer to larger population centers than we are and that our location/town size isn't for everyone.

Clemson has cache we don't have right now. They've made the playoffs 6 years in a row and won a Natty. And it's 2 hours from Charlotte and Atlanta.

Same with Tuscaloosa, and they are less than an hour from Birmingham.

College Station and Auburn are SEC teams, so there's that. College Station is less than 2 hours away from Austin and Houston. Auburn is less than an hour from Montgomery and less than 2 from ATL.

State College is B1G, has history, and is 2.5 hours to Pittsburgh and 3 hours from Philly.

Blacksburg is 2.5 hours from Charlotte, so that's good, but it feels more remote than the other schools except maybe Penn State.

Unfortunately, we don't have the history or location to make us as big a draw as other schools.

In addition to Pittsburgh and Philly, Penn St is also only 3 hrs from DC, Baltimore and eastern Ohio. And only a bit more from NoVa and Northern NJ. You can even throw in Western NY.

That's a lot of pretty good HS football talent within 200 miles or so.

It's funny there are parts of nova that are easier drives to PSU than Tech and parts of 757 that are only an extra 30-45 minutes longer to get there than to get to Tech, Blacksburg couldn't have been located farther away from VA population centers.

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I think a problem with Virginia is that people move to the state from other places and bring their loyalties. Nova =govt and tidewater = military. I've lived half my life in Pa and half in Va. the loyalty of Pa people to psu is like nothing in VA. Also 1% of all graduates in the country have a psu degree. Also of the regional campuses give the same psu degree.

VT does it self no favors. No advertising. Shitting on people and local businesses that use their branding. In Michigan every rinky dink small town business is wolverine this, or Spartan that.

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The Miami metro area is 6M+.

And Ann Arbor is about as close to Detroit as Blacksburg is to Roanoke...

"And Ann Arbor is about as close to Detroit as Blacksburg is to Roanoke."

On man, I wouldn't think being close to Detroit was something anyone would want to advertise :-)

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You obviously have never been to Detroit. It is an amazing city. It gets a bad rep. My wife is from there and still has family in the area. I love going to Detroit to visit. They have done a decent job of trying to bring her back back to her glory days.

Agree... Detroit and the surrounding areas have a lot going on and there's plenty of local culture and history. I've always enjoyed my time there. The people can be surly, but typically good folks. And if you're involved in an industry that has to physically make anything domestically, chances are you'll have some connection to it.

What are your thoughts on Coney Dogs and Hot Italian Beef (the unfortunately named sandwich, not... well, you know)?

No clue how any of this relates to recruiting tho... except VT did land that one really short kid who quickly transferred.

Tbf Marylands 5 star was that linebacker that got kicked out of multiple high school programs and was rumored to punch a teacher...

Taylor, looking desperately throws it deep..HAS A MAN OPEN DANNY COALE WITH A CATCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIVE!!!!....hes still open

They've already offered Emmanuel Duron

Sometimes you have to pursue distressed assets.

We have in the past. Trevon Hill and Marcus Vick immediately come to mind.

Locksley is dirty! Not every recruit is swayed by money but some are. I mean Ole Miss & Miss state pulled top 10 classes for a few years

Recruits dont like our competition, our location, our acc network with the spurtle, our weak style of play, our dull coach, the weak acc conference , and how soft of a team we really are.

Recuirt VA and TENN heavily this year espically since those 2 states are loaded more than usual this class

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Jordan Williams a virginia beach 4 star DE from clemson is in the portal. Could be worth a look

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Recruit a 4 star lineman from VA Beach? Interesting concept....

Have him switch positions and replace Darrisaw:

Lordy.

But seriously, he's transferring for probably one of the best reasons out there - his starting spot is being taken by a younger generational talent in Bryan Bresee.

He's following Teerlinck on Twitter right now:

Jordan Williams pls

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Any insiders have an idea of that likelihood we can get him? Didn't he pick Clemson over us when he came out of high school. I thought we were in his top 2 or 3 but could be wrong. He would be a welcomed addition to our DL for sure.

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This would be a HUGE addition. We were after him hard and he's currently a 6-4 310 DT. He couldn't be a more perfect piece for our defense.

TnT are going after him hard, if we miss it won't be because of a lack of effort. Having Shaq Lawson in our corner will help (Teerlinck coached Lawson when he was with the Bills).

EDIT: In addition, another Clemson DT Nyles Pinckney is in the portal. Both are losing out on starting jobs because of younger, probable first-round draft picks claiming the starting spots. Grad transfer has one more season of eligibility. Possibility of a package deal with Williams.

Bresee has a ton of potential, but he really did not impress me to the level that I expected for how much hype he generated. I thought of their freshman studs that Myles Murphy looked the superior player. Obviously, he could very well end up a 1st rounder, but just my thoughts. He did not have nearly the impact that a true freshman Dexter Lawrence had for them at tackle, for example.

Lawrence is a generational player

Five star get after it 100 percent Juice Key-Playing. MAN

I agree 100%. It is almost impossible to move like he does at that weight.

Pinckney transferring to Minnesota

Long way to row a boat from South Carolina

builds character

That HC isn't really big into personal character.

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I've heard the same from a former Western Michigan OL who is still connected to the program (from before Fleck's time).

Any details to share? I've seen this a few times but have never heard specifics, so would appreciate any you have!

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Cheated on his ex wife with his current.

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I mean, that's common in the college football coaching profession. We've had staff members other than Galen Scott who have done stuff like this. Not saying I approve of it, but it's not uncommon.

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How it went about in the town set a lot of people off from his persona.

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WELP... now my hopes are up again

We are really going to miss out on both Zach Rice and Gunner Givens. Can't blame that one on location, I don't think.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Why is this a surprise? Even at our peak we didn't pull recruits of that caliber outside of the random one every now and again

It would be interesting to see VT's recruiting history in Southwest VA. Not sure how many 5-star football players come out of Roanoke and Lynchburg areas, but David Wilson was from Danville (rural VA). I feel like we've landed a 4-star from Martinsville before.

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Korren Kirven was a miss but at least we were in play for him.

To not even make the top 10 though? That's real bad.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Logan MF Thomas

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Slightly OT, with the acknowledgment not many big stars come out of the 276:
What most Tech fans think when someone says "Southwest VA"- Lynchburg, Christiansburg, Roanoke, Danville
What the rest of us think (after clarifying "Southwestern Virginia")- Bluefield, Richlands, Abingdon, Lebanon, Tazewell, Honaker, Big Stone Gap, anything past Wytheville

Yeah.. SWVA includes Christiansburg. That's about it from the first list.
I'm generally inclined to roll with this:

Sometimes with the addition of Franklin county.

I would consider Danville solidly southern Va, no direction either way. It's in the Piedmont region. This is coming from someone born and raised in Pittsylvania Co.

I would call everything west of 85 and south of 66 to be rural/coast-less VA, and I think that VT should dominate that area in recruiting.

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Yeah... I used to tell people at VT I was from SWVA and they'd say "oh so you're from here". No. I'm from 3 hours southwest of here.

Buddy of mine from college is from Pulaski County. When I drove out there from NN for his wedding it felt like driving to the end of the planet.

Am from Carroll. Can confirm. Driving that far is to the end of the planet.

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More like the neck of the stork, Lee County there taking the tip of the beak.

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I'm a native and local to an area that get's confused with the real SWVA. Martinsville, Danville, up to almost Lynchburg and down to like the Emporia area is considered "Southside Virginia" and I wish it were known as such statewide. It would clear up the confusion between Southwest VA. Also, it's considered the "Piedmont" but so is the NC areas of Greensboro, Hight Point, and Winston-Salem so Southside is preferred. SWVA to us is from Stuart up to Blacksburg and the remaining western half of the state.

Also as an aside, it's unfortunate how many people in this area are more in tune with NC sports/programs than loluva and VT. I think a lot of it has to do with what you see on TV and the radio. I can always get UNC and NCSU football and basketball on the radio. I have to dig through the AM stations to get VT and loluva.

It also doesn't hurt that the closest major population centers are easy to get to. People here routinely go down to Raleigh and Greensboro/Winston to do things, shop, go to the doctor, etc before they would go up to Roanoke or Charlottesville (some go to Lynchburg but not as many that go down to Raleigh/Research Triangle).

I didn't know there were people that didn't call that part of the state Southside...

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People from Northern Virginia. The Southside is like being in another country with a different dialect and cadence to talking. Everyone sounds like Ward Burton or a Saddler

Interesting.

I've never heard anyone refer to any portion of the state as "southside" and I'm a DMV native/currently living in NOVA who has family in SWVA (Montgomery County).

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In the 757, Southside is anything below the James River (Norfolk, VB, Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Suffolk).

I once heard a person refer to the area as Northern North Carolina and its pretty much accurate, especially the counties on the stateline.

I believe you'll get your ass kicked if you tell someone from Clarksville or South Boston that they're really in Northern NC

Yet they all watch UNC/Duke/NC State games, are Carolina Panthers and Charlotte Hornets fans, talk the same, have the same regional cuisine (ie style of hot dogs, BBQ, drink Sun Drop,etc) and other stuff. Truth hurts, lol

As true as it may be, no one on the Commonwealth side of the line would say that, nor be happy about hearing it.

Counterpoint: throughout the last twenty years, VT has had a chance to pull a recruit like this about once every 4 years:
2000 (KJ), 2002 (MV2), 2006 (TT), 2011 (Fuller)
{I did that by memory, probably got a year wrong or missed a player}

Two of those were relations (like a Tristan Leigh), one was a relationship (TT to Curt Newsome) and one was random.

So do we have a chance to get Givens on geography and relationship? He left Covington to play for the Lord Botetourt coach, maybe it's time we hire an analyst good with OL from ...say...Lord Botetourt?

VT doesn't have an opportunity often to get this type of player. This may be as good as it gets for a while. We will have one first round pick this year at OT, maybe another next year. This is a position, unlike KJ Henry at DE, that we can actually sell development and NFL.

This is our chance.

Pretty sure we would have to hire the guy as a full coach to be able to recruit his player.

extremely disappointing when local kids are putting UVA in their Top 10, but not VT. I truly can not believe we are really making zero staff changes this offseason, there's no other way to begin to fix this.

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I might as well add to the nothingness. I was driving to get a haircut this morning and Enter Sandman came on the radio. Usually, I would get goose bumps, turn it up and revel in the intro. thinking about my time at Tech from '99-'04 jumping around, cussing, and being drunkingly crazy with 10Ks of others who cared wholeheartedly about the outcome (winning). However, when I heard that tune today, I had a brief feeling of that nostalgia and then embarrassment set in which had never happened before. Listening to that song and relating it to VT football today and the entirety of the college football landscape built against us now felt corny and almost pathetic. The energy is holds and the past it grasps does not mesh with what is now. It was a sad feeling. I am not sure things will be the same after what has occurred these past year(s) but I guess there is always hope. Enjoy your day.

Enter Sandman will survive. It was never about winning, it was about tailgating for hours and finally signalling that it is time to kickoff and cheer on the Hokies. Just like the crowd was never as rowdy for Rutgers as it was for night Miami, it will experience a lull in our down times. But, we will be back, and when we are, that intro will bring the goosebumps back. Hang in there.

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"felt corny and almost pathetic." Good one, was that a Freudian slip? Because normally I only felt corny and almost pathetic on third and short.

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Really? I always felt it worse on third and long

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I used to play enter sandman for my last set of squats at the gym. Felt like it gave me an extra 20 pounds or 1-2 reps. Now it just makes me sad when it happens to come on shuffle and I find myself hitting next.

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I'm guessing we will be seeing more and more Liberty on these lists. I think it'll be good thing in the end that their football only new builds will push VT for constant improvement.

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It is what it is. I hope we don't see Liberty in the ACC within the next twenty years.

Their academic standards would have to significantly improve for the ACC school presidents to ever consider them.

Big question is who would even consider voting them in? No shot us or UVA vote for it. I'd imagine Miami and FSU would vote with us in exchange of keeping UCF out. Maybe GT to prevent another GA school as well. And I can't imagine ND and BC getting on board with it either. There's not really a logical 16th team out there once ND joins, maybe Navy as football only or Penn State decides they hate money?

Cinci is the best fit athletically. TV market in Ohio. Give anOSU P-5 competition, is a geographic rival to Louisville, and to some extent Notre Dame and Pittsburgh. Makes geographic sense if football goes to quads, and has at least some respect athletically.

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Can the ACC punt the NE schools? Pitt, BC, Syracuse? They dont fit and they dont want to be here either. That would be my dream.

I would love to give Wake the boot from the ACC as well.

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Well considering they are a founding member I would Imagine we would get that treatment before them.

I'll keep my opinions to myself next time...

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I don't know... I kind of like having Pitt... And given the sad state of rivalries in the ACC I'm changing my tune on WVU too... Black Diamond and Backyard Brawl are real rivalries.

Indifferent about Syracuse and BC tho.

If we're talking dream scenarios, how about VT to the SEC, creating room for Liberty or WVU in the ACC. That'd be a nice turd to leave in the punch bowl on our way out the door!

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Dropping deuce (in the form of Liberty, or hey... even WVU) on the ACC as VT flies off for greener pastures would be epically delicious trolling.

Should have jumped when we had the chance. VT-Tenn rivalry could become a thing and $$$$$$ wouldn't be an issue for us.

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Yep, that was an organic rivalry waiting to happen. Would be awesome for students as well. You'd be seeing lots of hype home games, and lots of kids making road trips to Oxford, Knoxville, Athens, Columbia, Tuscaloosa, etc. I've been to several of those cities and that would have been fun as hell bouncing through those towns all Fall in college.

It is depressing to think that it really was an option for us.

Depends who you ask... One of my friends worked in Bud Peterson's office (GT President) at the time, and swears that he saw the email saying it was GT and NC State.

That said, the crazy thing about that time was that no one really knew what was going on, not even people in the middle of it. The best sources - ADs, Presidents, conference commissioners, etc - were all getting different information.

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I know someone who swears it was UNC and UVA. Like you said, I don't think the whole story will ever really be known. I will say, everyone hates on the ACC but I sort of enjoy being in it. Basketball season is a hell of a lot more fun, and the mutual animosity between us, UNC, UVA, Paul Johnson GT, Miami is/was kind of fun. And we have a better shot at actually winning a championship.

GT was an original member of the SEC and left that conference. Why would they want them back?

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pfft, because... this is home. it's the catchall for all scenarios

Slive had an interview on ESPN or Fox, and clearly stated VT and NC State were of interest. Our Metro DC alumni base was a major draw.

Weaver slammed the door shut. Hard.

Weaver then went on Tech Talk Live and complained about how the SEC was going to cost the school just to compete. Adding seating to the stadium. Plane trips instead of bus trips. Not all the Olympic sports would have a home. Didn't realize all the money they would get just joining.

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They didn't start getting money until well after 2004, so we would have had a huge start up cost to get to the SEC. There was talk at the time that we'd have to expand Lane significantly (all hearsay).

In addition the SEC wasn't viewed as the best conference at the time. They were, but they didn't have NC teams just a bunch of really good solid teams.

Watch our game against USC, the commentators talk about the ACC potentially being the king of football.

My conspiracy theory is that the refs screwed us because they were SEC refs and didn't want the ACC to be the best league. (which cost Auburn a shot at the title)

TV Market matters very little now. Now that you can purchase almost any channel for streaming, it's all about the size of the fanbase.

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West Virginia has always been logical to me. Much more so than Syracuse, BC or Pitt

WVa brings nothing to the TV market. I believe that's why they weren't originally included. I always felt bad for them because I could see us in the same boat. I remember that feeling when it looked like Miami, Syracuse, and BC were going to bail and leave us behind.

I thought it was more the University Presidents did not want to be associated with them. From a sports stand point it makes total sense.

"A sports standpoint" isn't that important. A conference is a business partnership and WVU just doesn't bring much to the table.

WVa brings nothing to the TV market. I always felt bad for them

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TV Market doesn't drive revenue anymore. You can stream from anywhere; it's all about fanbase size now.

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That's only partially true. Commercial tv revenue will always be higher than internet streaming commercial revenue.

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But that's total, not per viewer, right? If something is broadcast on ESPN, the conference/teams earn the same amount of revenue from the 5000 people watching on YouTubeTV, the 5000 people watching on WatchESPN, and the 5000 people watching on Comcast, right?

Would love to better understand if I'm incorrect.

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Their stadium looks like a glofied HS compared to Lane, but yeah VT facilities suck. Other sports are allowed to use the newly refurbished Merryman, and the countries biggest nutrition center. Fuente has one hand tied behind his back with a 5 year old huge indoor too.

I never said Fuente has one hand tied behind his back. I can say football only facilities need continuous evaluation without rubber-stamping the job Fuente is doing. It's just one of many factors.

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I know, right? It's tiny compared to other ACC football stadiums at only 25,000 seats

ACC Football Stadiums
Stadium School Size Normal Crowd Size
 Alumni Stadium  BC  44,500  34,018
 BB&T Field  Wake  31,500  27,081
 Bobby Dodd Stadium  GT  55,000  48,817
 Carrier Dome  Syracuse  49,250  35,608
 Carter Finley Stadium  NC State  57,583  56,931
 Doak Campbell Stadium  FSU  82,300  68,653
 Hard Rock Stadium  Miami  65,236  55,822
 Heinz Field  Pitt  65,500  43,118
 Kenan Stadium  UNC  50,500  48,817
 Lane Stadium  VT  65,632  60,989
 Memorial Stadium  Clemson  81,500  81,410
 Cardinal Stadium Louisville   61,000  49,891
 Scott Stadium  UVA  61,500  42,036*
 Wallace Wade Stadium  Duke  40,004  27,115

* Only about 23 UVA fans, all others are from opponent

Samuel Dankah twitter posted a commitment message about an hour ago. Thought he already committed (but didn't see him on the board).

We put the K in Kwality

That's dank.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

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Yeah! That one. Luckily someone else can embed. Is this a new commit?

We put the K in Kwality

I think he is taking a Preferred Walk-On opportunity

A little more on him.

DB — Samuel Dankah, South County (Lorton) | 6-3 | 165 | Sr.
Dankah earned Class 6 all-state honors after helping South County win the Class 6 state championship.

https://www.ultimaterecruit.com/brock-spalding-sam-dankah-lead-south-cou...

That's awesome to see someone from my high school on here. His older brother was in my graduating class. I recognized that name before seeing Samuel was from SC.

Edit: Also unrelated but I played football with the new South County head coach. He dated my high school girlfriend's sister. Makes me feel old...

What an announcement - "my dream school", "thank you". Hope we get more like this.

Tayvion playing lead recruiter for Jordan Williams

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Tayvion pls

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Edit

It's early but Sherrod Covil with a CB to VT. Maybe that #757toVT wasn't just smoke? Let's go!

Would be great to land an early in-state guy for 2022. Helps if he's recruiting for us early an often among his peers.

Honestly, it just helps so much from a perception standpoint that one of the best 757 guys is coming here.

We have gotten so many early CB's from in state guys the last few years and then we are never even a factor with them in the end.

Might be important to add this is Highlight Springs coach, and Virginia Tech alumni, Loren Johnson's son.

Shouts to the editor for putting 3 HSHS alum in the pic (Macho, Cris Hill and his pops Loren Johnson). Will be interesting to follow his recruitment. We offered first but less than 36 hrs later he's up to 11 offers (UVa, BC, GT, Pitt, Oklahoma, Penn St, Liberty, ODU, Norfolk St and Maryland). Will be interesting to see his progression on field and follow the recruitment as his pedigree/early offers will likely make him an elite in-state guy for 2023.

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Yeah our offer came while he was at a Showcase Camp event with half or more of P5 schools with coaches or staff in attendance and by all accounts he was a stand out performer compared to his peers. Not surprised he has so many offers now.

I think one of the few upsides of the recruiting rankings being so low for the 2020-21 classes is we can message early playing time to high-level recruits in the 2022 class.

First time?

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Saw on the twitter machine that our staff is talking with and recruiting a former Alabama CB commit. The post on 247 is behind a paywall (i am not a member), but the first few sentences of the article that are free to read, the player's name is Scooby Carter, a mid 90s rated CB. He transferred to JUCO in Mississippi.

"Scooby Carter, a Top 100 recruit out of the 2019 class, signed his National Letter of Intent Alabama, choosing Nick Saban over his other..."

from the free portion of the article.

He was a 5* by 247 in house and the 3rd overall CB, and has a verified 4.3 40 at The Opening.

This would be a huge addition. Putting him across from Waller/Strong should be exceptional. He had some issues at Bama that led him to JUCO, but if he's got his stuff together, I would LOVE to land him.

If we offer him I would put us as the frontrunners for him

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So are we just going to turn into Kansas State and just constantly fill our team with transfer/JUCO players? At the end of the day, if we win I don't really care but it's more fun to root for guys for 4-5 years.

So are we just going to turn into Kansas State and just constantly fill our team with transfer/JUCO players? At the end of the day, if we win I don't really care but it's more fun to root for guys for 4-5 years.

just needed another set of eyes on it

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Them days are gone unfortunately. If not for kh this year - or jerod - well. It would've been ugly.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

With the introduction of the transfer portal, most schools (including the blue bloods) won't see many players stick around for 4-5 years. They will want to go where the playing time exists. Welcome to the revolving door of college football. With that said, Tyrell pls stay for year 7.

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Yep.

FWIW, just eyeballing the transfer portal list, it appears (so far) that players moving down the hierarchy outnumber the players making lateral moves. And players making lateral moves outnumber those moving up the hierarchy.

I miss it too. But, if players are using the exit door, we gotta keep the entrance open too.

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The days of lots of 4-5 year guys are gone unfortunately

Zoinks Scoob!

If he flips, every interception he makes will hereby be called Scooby Snacks

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And corner blitz can = Scooby sacks!

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Hope you're legit because the dead period was just extended to the end of August, and I feel like this staff is going to do some damage once they can hit the road again.

Edit: it's actually only April 15, NCAA used the wrong graphic.

Dont forget about the transfer portal big dawg😄

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757->864->540 happy?

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There's no glory in practice and lifting but without practice and lifting, there will be no glory!

I'm always ready to be hurt

Scoobie pls

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Ain't Scooby Dooby Doo yet put you will still be happy with the pickup😄

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I really hope you're right, and it may be because it's a Saturday night and I've been drinking, but I don't remember anything really good that's happened when you've hinted at something.

It's probably more my memory than you, but it's hard to be optimistic about VT football recruiting or otherwise right now.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Primus is Prime...Sauces on deck for sure!

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I've noticed the same thing... I know stuff changes a lot behind the scenes but the only person around here who has a positive "hit rate" on dropping knowledge is LAHokie and I haven't seen him post in a LONG time. There are others who post a lot of info that a lot of people believe but are way more likely to be wrong than right.

Hey I've hit about 80%

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Hold up, when did you become a #Sauce?

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Early last year

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Miss LA

Same! LA and BAG came with the sauces without a doubt. Primus is a very solid replacement though.

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Tell him we miss him

😊 BAG's Gif game was top notch too!

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Agreed. He will always Primus for big news.

Da dum, chhhh.

What happened? Did he say he was leaving or just stop posting?

Who BAG? I can't fully remember but I think it had something from a post he did like a year or 2 ago

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Yeah it's been a minute since he was around. I think he might've been wrong a time or two, people got on him about it and he said deuces, but I can't fully recall either.

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Actually just thinking about it for a little bit. I think it was a comment about the athletic budget but I could be wrong

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I think he started getting flak for hyping up what was perceived as not huge recruiting news. Started out really fun in 17/18 with some of the big recruits we landed that year and the hints he dropped, but soon the hype and the gifs were for a lot of misses and 3* recruits. I can sort of see both sides. If it's not truly earth shattering news, I can see why some interpreted as over hype. But I don't think he deserved the backlash for it when he was just trying to provide actual recruiting intel. A shame he doesn't post anymore though.

Yep that's one bad thing about the insider life. It's hard predicting what 16-17 year old kids are thinking and wanted to do. That's why it's easier to predict transfer portal movement

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Pretty sure BAG got the banhammer for some posts that many found uncouth. LA stopped posting without giving a reason about 3 months ago.

Also, hats off for giving the heads up on the JW news.

Aye no problem😊

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This and VTJ's account both ring faint bells. Thought about it some more and IIRC it was around the time of the Capehart fiasco and may have been about that.

You're right about LA, that guy may have been wrong 1 time. I trusted him above just about anyone else

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MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

LA had some commentary around the failed fuente replacement I believe

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Nope - if you go to his profile he hasn't commented in almost 3 months.

Only to appease my itch for some dopamine hits in regards to good football news, do you know when this news *might* drop?

Congrats to her☺

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Big loss, from what I have read she is considered to be excellent at her job.

any speculation why she left? Did VT go cheap and/or UNC offer more?

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UNC alum.. probably a combo of career advancement and getting to working at her alma mater

she only worked at VT for like 4-5 months

This is the kind of behind the scenes position that has a big impact. She left UNC App State after a few months to come to Tech and gets lured back UNC where she started with a promotion and raise.

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Also tech wanted her to take a 10% paycut😔

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hope this wasn't the big surprise

/sssstarvedforgoodnews

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

I assume due to COVID?

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I think it's absolutely related to COVID. My wife has first hand knowledge of one of our basketball players getting cut right after Christmas, and the reason they gave was "budget cuts". And he was a transfer walk-on with no scholarship, so not a huge drain on the overall team budget. It sounds like there are lots of cuts happening across the athletic department.

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Thought she came from App St?

You are correct, she was there for such a short time I overlooked it.

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Seems like a very replaceable position.

You would think a position that focuses on on-campus recruiting wouldn't be as important during a dead period that doesn't allow campus visits, no?

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yes but I've read what you said 3 times now and am not sure what you mean in regards to what I posted.

My apologies lol.

meaning that the ability to fill it somewhat goes hand in hand with how important it is right now

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yes it is probably not high on the priority list for our AD currently.

Yes. She was the Director of On Campus Recruiting. She had little to do this year, so hard to say she was crucial to VT football. After five months folks want to crown her as a great recruiter. Makes no sense.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Believe she was very instrumental in setting up and running the virtual visits, helping set up itineraries for the informal quarantine visits and coordinating communication with various members of support staff recruits might wish to talk with. Certainly not irreplaceable, but a lot of people I know spoke very highly of her work.

It's just an entry level position with entry level job duties.

We can find plenty of people with less than 1 year of working experience to fill this position.

So your saying UNC didn't hire a qualified person? I thought we wanted to copy things that Clemson and UNC do well. She also isn't the first loss in football, Hokie Club or overall athletic department the last 24 months who left for other universities and pay raises or promotions.

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You are right, but I imagine it is normal for this level of any athletic department to experience a moderate amount of turnover as qualified individuals look to advance and/or get to a specific region of the country.

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I am saying they hired an entry level employee that quite literally has less than a year of real world experience that has held 3 different jobs within in her first year of employment.

There are thousands of candidates that are just like her that maybe don't job hop after 5 months?

I respect her hustle though. She very likely doubled her salary or more within a year.

Maybe she did. THAT I do not know.

Her going to unc was a predictable outcome. I was happy when we hired her, but always figured it was just a matter of time before she left for unc.

Gimme Big Cat Byrant😄

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That would be nice, but can't imagine there's much chance. Harsin seems to have a lot of the CJF characteristics of old school, hard nose, hard work. Not sure Big Kat wants a whole lot of that.

Not sure he wants a whole lot of that? He waited his turn patiently behind Marlon Davidson and Nick Coe and really loved Gus, as did many Auburn players, and as a 2nd year senior (using his extra covid eligibility) he doesn't want to play for someone he didn't sign up for. I don't see an issue and he would be an excellent addition for us, if he would even consider us.

He would make us significantly better up front. Would like to see this and the dude from Clemson. Our d needs some dogs. Would love to see us get a little attitude on D.

Imagine this D-Line

DE: Big Kat Bryant 6-4 226, .9238
DT: Williams 6-4 310, .9299
DT: Pinckney 6-1 300, .8920
DE: Alec Bryant 6-3 240, .8958

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

I like symmetry, is there another good DT Williams in the portal? Then we could go Bryant, Williams, Williams, & Bryant.

USF's Armon Williams. 6-3 323, .8104 rating

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Did we forget about Amare?

I was just going off of highest rated.

Substituting Barno for A Bryant lose a bit on the ratings, but gain 3 inches in height and lose 5 lbs.

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Gus was too soft. Harsin is old school.. Big Kat movin' on. Can't imagine VT on his radar.

who?

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

oh, that'd be nice.

Big Kat's going to UT
Hooker with Big Kat. That outta be something..

Which UT? Texas or the one only people in SW VA and Tennessee call UT?

I just call Texas Texas. To me, UT would be Tenn.

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UT= Tennessee
Texas= Texas

probably the one that Hendon Hooker transferred to..................

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Good point. I missed that.

The UT that just fired their coach and are looking at NCAA sanctions.

Go Hokies!!

Wait....dude's name is ACTUALLY Big Kat Bryant....holy hell that's awesome 😂

Given name is Markaviest. Quality DE from Auburn. I'd go with Big Kat, too.

I actually think that there's a county in Georgia called Crisp is even more awesome

Georgia has Coffee and Bacon counties as well and they are right next to one another.

But do their respective HS football teams play for the Breakfast Bowl? Battle for the Waffle House Plate? Free waffle house for the winners? I'm sure there is a waffle house there.

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Free waffle house for the winners?

Wouldn't this be an impermissible benefit? (Or at least an unadvised one.)

I like his excitement for "coming home" 👀

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

What is Laborn up to?

Interestingly, besides retweeting the Jordan Williams commitment announcement, he's retweeted a few pro-Hokies tweets as well as a recent tweet by Tapp.

Dismissed from FSU but I don't think he's announced a home yet.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Hard pass

Currently in JUCO purgatory. No P5 offers.

Interest from Laborn to VT, none from the coaches as grades/attitude/baggage are major hurdles. I wouldn't be shocked if got an offer at the end of the spring semester if he got his shit together.

On the field is he's an absolute warload so hopefully the light bulb turns on.

Maybe Williams can talk to him say something like. Hey man just chill out and come to Va Tech with me and destroy😎

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Based on his timeline it's abundantly clear he's open to coming to VT. As far as I'm concerned, baggage be damned. The positive momentum him and Williams coming back home to VT could create in the 757 is immeasurable regardless of their impact on the field.

Yeah it's one of the relationship schollys and you hope he produces as well

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Exactly. We've had players that were twice the headache with only an ounce of the amount of talent that he has. It's worth it for the potential 757 olive branch alone.

And you set him up with a zero tolerance expectation.

What about a PWO? If he bites at that, would show he's willing to put in the work and earn the staff's trust...or does that only apply to high school kids? Pardon my ignorance in advance.

I totally disagree. You don't just throw scholarships to "relationships" because a guy was a recruit from an area 3 years ago after giving a scholarship to a guy who will play. We have 10+ RBs on scholarship and a history of locker room challenges. This kid doesn't present an upgrade - 3 years ago he was a prospect. Currently he is a baggage case, some serious injury history at a position where we need less and not more players.

I would focus on other positions and areas and not sell out just because of tidewater as we will have other better 757 opportunities this year. Don't just buy to buy - buy low and sell high.

Well I'm sorry to tell ya but we are going for a running back from the portal😂

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Better be the kid from Buffalo

Smoke.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be doing this, but....

I'd love to see Fuente develop a RB he recruited out of high school.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Lechtenberg has been an upgrade to Burden. Let's see how he handles a full offseason without COVID. Also...

Get hyped for Kenji Christian. I firmly believe he can work his way into the rotation as a freshman.

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I would love to see Kenji and Brunson force their way onto the field. I have high hopes for both.

I've loved Gary since I first saw his HS film. would love to see what he can do as well.

Is coronavirus over yet?

FWIW, Tapp just started following KL on The Tweet Machine

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

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Ah, but did RD follow PH?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We have 9 after Herbert leaving. 4 of those are freshman/redshirt freshman. Another 1 (Blackshear) should be playing slot receiver, not running back. You really have no proven backs on this team outside of maybe Holston. Based on your own assessment of Laborn, wouldn't us offering him a scholarship be the definition of buying low? The guy was one of the most talented players in America coming out of high school and either due to his own immaturity or injury hasn't been able to put it together on a field yet. I don't see it as "throwing a scholarship" at some random player.

Also Wheatley is gonna go and Chance Black and Elijah Howard are moving positions

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I like Howard at CB and his phone booth agility screams PR, provided he can field the punt first. Black to WR?

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Agreed, we need to repair In-state relations and if we can do it with someone as talented as Laborn I'm down for it. I think also from his perspective, he saw what we did with Herbert this year and also knows he needs to be on his best behavior if he wants a shot at the NFL. Could be a win for both sides.

If he comes here I think we are gonna move him to WR

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He'd be the best passer on the roster.

That sounds far fetched. If true it sounds like a poor plan. If you want a transfer WR then get one, not a transfer who then has to switch positions. Did he play WR in high school? What am I missing here? Sounds like a project, when the portal is supposed to be plug and play.

Did you read the article? He was moved to running back in 2019 by Texas AM.

VT needs to get talent anywhere and anytime we can find it.

Also heard he would replace the QP role and run the single wing so anything could happen😂

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Woo, we got a new TE!

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

6'5" WR sounds fun..

Blumrick transferring to VT

I didn't want to post this in the other thread so I thought I would put it here. I just don't comprehend the logic of Fu/Corn continually shaking up the QB room. Granted at first it was out of their control when Jerod left with a year of eligibility remaining, but ever since then it's been like the high seas in a typhoon.

I believe it's been discussed before about how Fu/Corn doesn't want to mess with the psyche of a QB during the season and only take action when necessary i.e. continuing to start Willis over Hooker and keeping Buremeister as starter once Hooker came off the COVID list. But in the offseason they resort to the portal and bring in another QB where they promise to give them a legitimate look at starting. Does this not also affect a Q=B's psyche?

I'm all for competition and playing the player that gives you the best chance at winning but question the Fu/Corn philosophy and their ability to evaluate talent when they are constantly bringing in a new player to compete against a player they previously brought in via the portal.

It's like they are a mid-twenties guy who complains about being single while constantly swiping on a dating app looking for the next new hotness without ever going on a 2nd date to really find out what the previous girl offered (Note I can say this because I was one).

Maybe I'm wrong though, who knows...

Do you really want to go through Spring with only Kadum and Burmeister at qb? We had three legitimate contenders last year and still finished Clemson with 4th string. We needed another body.

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We have two other QBs, Freshman Forburger and Kemmerlin, according to Hokiesports. No I don't think we should only have two QBs and will fall back to the ole saying if you have two starting QBs then you don't have any .

What I would like to see is VT recruit a capable QB with the ability to run the offense we continue to run year after year, develop him, and have him start more than 16 games for us. Pete put out the tweet below (hopefully it is embedded correctly) showing QB starts for VT in the Fuente era VS Bronco.

I don't think the coaches would disagree with you. Hooker seemed to be the guy you were looking for. Then he gets Covid to start the season and can't finish it because he was cold. Whatever else went on to push him out the door is anybody's guess.

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Not sure how often HokieSports gets updated, but as of January 4th, Peyton Kemmerlin was going in the transfer portal. Honestly, if the point is that we have two walk ons before Tahj gets on campus, and one of them isn't even likely to be on the team, getting a guy makes sense.

We getting 2 backup QB'S

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I don't get it. Is the point of that chart to show us that Bronco's quarterbacks with the most starts were guys from the transfer portal?

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The way I interpreted it was once Bronco had a QB he stuck with him vs Fuente who starts back at square one every year.

Granted I see the other side of the argument that both Perkins and Benkert were solid QBs and there was no one behind them so it was an easy decision for Bronco.

Yea, I wonder about this as well. Some of Fuente's policies just don't vibe with me. The fumble=benched policy for example; I think this make backs play scared instead of playing confidently. Similar thing with a QB - I get competition is important, but I don't think you want players going out there every day playing nervous and thinking that they're going to lose their job because of one bad day.

That said, not every transfer QB brought over by Fuente was intended to compete for the starting job. AJ Bush, Willis, and IMO Blumrick are/were all intended to add depth. Willis only got a shot due to injury. When JJ wasn't progressing, it became a competition (which was the right move IMO).

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Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't it come out that it was not Fuente that was benching RBs when they fumbled? That it was the RBs coach? Now I understand that Fu is the final say and it is his responsibility to rein in his coaches if he thinks something is not working. I just have a faint memory of this being reported somewhere.

Makes me wonder, did Herbert have a fumble all year?

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When JJ wasn't progressing, it became a competition (which was the right move IMO)

This is the other crux to my confusion. What depth does a guy offer when he hasn't thrown a live ball in a game in five years when you factor he goes to a coaching staff that has been unable to develop a QB's skills beyond what they had when they showed up on campus?

Being a multi position guy may also provide more flexibility. He can be a body in the qb room and if he falls to the bottom of the depth chart, it means the freshman has jumped him and he could switch positions. If he surprises at qb, then he stays there.

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a coaching staff that has been unable to develop a QB's skills beyond what they had when they showed up on campus?

I'll argue against this. Every QB to play meaningful minutes under Fuente at VT has also played somewhere other than VT in their career. Everyone of those QBs (JE, JJ, RW) has played their best at VT. Jury still out on BB, HH, QP, but one could make the case that Fuente gets the most more out of his QBs than most coaches.

What depth does a guy offer when he hasn't thrown a live ball in a game in five years

Scout team, back up duty, help with relying play calls to the field, gives 2nd/3rd string WRs someone to practice with, etc. I think Fuente likes to have 4 QBs on the roster at all times, and wants something beyond just a warm body.

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I am not a passenger on the anti-Fuente train, but there is little evidence he and his staff have gotten more out of their QBs here than most coaches.

Jerod Evans improved at VT? Compared to what? Juco? Apples and oranges. And I would argue JE didn't get any better between game 1 and the bowl game. His strengths and weaknesses were basically unchanged. He didn't develop at all IMO.

Ryan Willis was thrown to the wolves as a true freshman at arguably the worst P5 program. It's not really a shocker that he "improved". But did he develop as one would naturally expect? At best, he was basically the same flawed player as a JR as he was as a Sr - and was probably just a more mature version of the kid at KU (this is what I think). At worst, he actually regressed as a SR (which is probably the majority opinion).

That the jury is still out on HH and QP is all that needs to be said.

I'll grant you JJ. And I agree it's not fair to pass judgement on BB yet.

I think Evans improved his one year. Regardless, I don't think a coach can inject qb mojo into a guy and he suddenly makes better reads and is more accurate. To some degree, mechanics, reps, and film study can improve those things. But, more importantly, a coach is responsible for putting in game plans that allow the qb to be successful. That, I think is what this staff is good at. However, I have a sneaky suspicion that the overly protective game plans may help a somewhat less talented player whereas it can hold back a player that has more talent (especially if they have the ability to adlib and extend a play). In general, I believe this staff cuts its nose off to spite its face by being overly afraid of a negative result or mistake.

My question is, what was Hooker? Was he being protected or held back. I have less doubt that QP was being protected.

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My question is, what was Hooker? Was he being protected or held back.

Man, it really sucks that Hooker couldn't get a true offseason as a starter to improve. I think between his medical issues and just not getting off season reps, his development was hindered.

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I would argue JE didn't get any better between game 1 and the bowl game.

I don't know, I remember watching him against UVA (yes, I know it was UVA), and you could tell he was doing more than just a single a check. One play in particular I remember, he looks to his right sees a player open midfield, fakes it, then moves to the deep thread (I think it was ford?) for a 50ish yard TD (I'm going off memory here, so the specifics might be a little off). That play, I thought we were seeing the future of the Fuente offense. Anyways, I'm digressing, but I do think Jerod improved over the course of the year.

I hear your argument that Willis just improved due to the talent around him improving, and I suppose he did not improve much in his time here; but then again, if you can't make the correct read when running the read option, I'm not really sure what you can do as a coach? He clearly has a ton of arm strength, but he couldn't make reads. I'm not sure what coach could've fixed that. I just think he had a low ceiling.

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The problem is those plays were few and far between - and occurred with no more or less frequency as the season went on.

Evans did not have a lot of arm strength IMO. HIs arm strength was probably below average for a P5 QB.

I think our offense has such simple passing concepts, creates misdirection wide open throws sometimes, and we run the QB a lot it's possible to make a run-oriented QB look pretty good in our offense, especially when things are going well and we are operating "on schedule". However, I do think this staff has not shown the ability to develop a QB into a better passer over time. I have not seen substantial progress in any QB during their time here under Fuente in terms of "passing downs." We usually manage to hit big plays off run action and misdirection to get our ypa attempt up, but our passing downs success rate is often terrible. So basically, this staff has never shown me a consistent drop back passing game, when we either have to pass, or the defense knows we have to pass. If anyone, Willis was the the guy who we most trusted to go back there and just sling it around, and that was largely by necessity, and as noted in film reviews, he was sometimes getting away with really bad decisions (and sometimes not getting away with it, like BC in 2019).

We also run the ball with a similar ratio to most triple option teams. Here are our % of pass plays and rank under Fuente:

2020: 36.93% (119th)
2019: 37.73% (120th)
2018: 47.96% (56th)**
2017: 42.08% (98th)
2016: 42.79% (93rd)

So this really furthers my point that we often get the benefit of throwing off play/run-action and pulling misdirection "set up" type plays in the passing game, but that we are not at our best when we are forced to throw on true passing downs or come back in a game where we must throw to make up a deficit.

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757 to the 540 🦃🔥💨

Go for it

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KL??🤔

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Laborn's Twitter is all Hokies right now, and he pinned his offer tweet from 2017.

I've been working from home again, so I haven't been in touch with my #sauces lately, but they might lose their shit if Laborn comes to the Burg. In a good way.

EDIT: reference to the younger Laborn...

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Buffalo RB?

Ehhhh

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It's minimal these stomach knots
This conscious can't hide from his soul
Till now
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE

😊😊 im excited by that emoji sequence there my friend.

Hokie Love!

Transfer or Regular commit?

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

suck it shane....what a burn

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Seeing we offered punter Nick Veltsistas out of Robinson High in Fairfax.

Coach Burnham as the primary

Kohlskicking.com rates him 5 stars as part of Class of 2021

Hudl video

A scholarship for a punter who isn't Australian? {Skeptical}

Is Holston leaving?

Hope not. I know we have a million RBs but I really liked him. Sometimes thought it was KH when it was actually #0.

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

Y'all what if we got both Laborns

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Laboth?

Laborn Supremacy

Léborn supremacy

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Jesus christ, that's laborn

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Laborn Ultimatum

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Laborn to Run

Laborn to be Wild

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Laborn in the USA

Vroom Vroom

Laborn on the bayou

VB born, class of '14

Laborn this way

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Laborn in a barn?

House Of The Rising LaBorn

Bite your tongue this Nosferatu
Ways
It's minimal these stomach knots
This conscious can't hide from his soul
Till now
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE WAR
IT'S LIKE

So many highlight videos you could call them Labornhub.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Big play and the MV drumline plays a short, 3-second cadence...you know the one I mean.

Click here to destroy wall.

Rivals reporting Hokies have offered 2025 DE Ari Watford from Salem HS, Virginia Beach.

The bulk is behind a paywall, but the basic info is there. 6-5 as an 8th grader, dude could become another monster guy like Bucky.

Similarly, Rivals is reporting the Hokies have offered 2022 LB Keaten Wade and 2022 QB Destin Wade, both out of Tennessee

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

2025 recruit that is already 6-5

He'll be 7'-5" by the time he is a freshman at VT

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

maybe even 6' 17' !

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

With potential like that it's no wonder we offered him a second time.

Bucky 2.0vD

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Another 2024 offer, from Maury. Looks to be a DB

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Picked up a QB for class of 21

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I'm assuming this is a PWO, he's picked up a few FCS offers since he lit up the camp circuit. He got to play with some 4 and 5 star recruits from 21, 22, and 23, and featured as an MVP in his last camp.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Coached against him. Pretty good hs qb, and hope he competes! Had some pretty good skill guys around him. Jimmy Kibble's son is D1 level WR/K for them and they had an ODU commit at RB who was a great athlete too.

Clemson LB Mike Jones in the portal, Raleigh native, would be a nice fit next to Dax: