OT: SZD/Bud Elliot on the transfer portal, super seniors, and post-covid recruiting

Fantastic episode, recommend listening to the whole thing. High level summary:

  • Coaches are really struggling with scholarship limits (caused by transfers and super seniors keeping their scholarships), so large classes of high school recruits will be really uncommon this year - According to Bud, if you have 18 high school recruits this year, you're in the top 15% for high school class size.
  • Coaches are also struggling with not having evaluation periods, contributing to a rise in transfers
  • Bud predicts that the transfer market will continue to be crazy for the next 3ish years, then will settle down (once there is enough evidence to convince most players that entering the portal generally doesn't behoof them)
  • The stereotypical 'hardass' coach will no longer be viable in the future, given how accessable the transfer port is, and good/fun culture will no longer be an added benefit; it will be table stakes for having a successful program (my words, not his)

Anyways, listen to the whole thing, my summary doesn't do Bud justice.

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I thought the number of high schoolers for this upcoming class for a lot of schools was the most interesting thing that Bud said. Apparently he's heard from a lot of schools saying they could only take like eight high schoolers.

The blanket year of eligibility given to everyone has turned into a huge issue because the leniency on the 85 scholarship limit has only been extended for this upcoming season. As things stand now, nobody will be hurt more by it than high schoolers in the class of 22.

Seems like an easy fix to that by incrementally bringing the scholarship limit back over several years.

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Most schools can't afford that - if you give 5 extra kids a scholarship, title IX says you have to give 5 other woman's sports schollies too.

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I think most schools would find the money if they are permitted to.

I know athletic departments have to pay the school for a scholarship. Are there ways the school could essentially reimburse it in other funds?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

I think most schools would find the money if they are permitted to.

Most top, rich schools, yes. However, I've heard multiple people who are very connected in the CFB world state explicitly that this is not a possibility for many schools. They are not going to be very loud about it, but kids are being told they can't afford to keep them on behind closed doors in spite of their scholarship not counting against the 85.

Yeah, I think they talk about this in the episode. They estimated something like 60% of schools didn't want to pay that extra scholarship money.

Which is why football should not be included in Title IX as currently, scholarships are not offered/available for a separate women's football program...but women have been able to get on teams and earn scholarships with their male counterparts.

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You know that Title IX isn't an college sports thing; it's a law relevant to everything around education, right? The only way for Title IX to not apply to college football is if college football separates from the university, and acts as a league independent of universities (not just independant of NCAA, but independent of the university), although, you may argue that this would be a good thing.

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I'm aware. But the uniqueness of college football should remove it from the scholarship count.

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College football WAS unique. Now it's just another corporatized commodified vehicle for shilling shit. Just wait for the bidding war on the 12 team playoff and the 20 mins of commercials you'll have to sit through for every 4 downs of football.

Great, insightful pod as always from Split Zone Duo.

I said a long time ago that someone was going to get hosed by the extra year. At the time I said either the seniors just had a lose a year, or the people under them get hosed for playing time because the seniors stick around for another year. It never really occurred to me that there would be an impact on the high schoolers.

With that impact, I'm kind of thinking they never should have done the eligibility extension. People already in college had an opportunity to play. The extra eligibility is taking away the opportunity from the high schoolers.

With that impact, I'm kind of thinking they never should have done the eligibility extension. People already in college had an opportunity to play. The extra eligibility is taking away the opportunity from the high schoolers.

Part of the problem is that coaches haven't been able to evaluate a lot of these high schoolers. But I agree, in highsight, for P5 football at least, it seems like the extra eligibility was not necessary.

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Yeah, i'm starting to think the blanket year for everyone was a mistake. Especially considering most teams played basically a full season. I don't think there was going to be any truly "fair" option.