November 2021 Football Recruiting Thread

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Where is the orji of information that we are expecting?

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

Got real nervous at first then re-read the statement.

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

You want an Orji?

I'll give you a fucking Orji:

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Thanks man, you da best!

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

You want an Orji?

I think the answer to this is always yes.

Not so fast. Really gotta understand the quality of the people there and potential ratio.

This could go in the opposite direction of what you were hoping for pretty quickly.

Previously LowBrau.

Spelled that way, I think the quality is pretty high.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

Devin Ferrell broke some records last weekend.

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BSME 2009

Please let one of these two be a legitimate college quarterback.

I hate rude behavior in a man. Won't tolerate it.

Please let one of these two be a legitimate college QB

And hopefully stay committed to va tech

Please let one of these two be a legitimate college QB

And hopefully stay committed to va tech

And hopefully remain enrolled at VT

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Please let one of these two be a legitimate college QB

And hopefully stay committed to va tech

And hopefully remain enrolled at VT

And hopefully remain on the team during the whole time

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Please let one of these two be a legitimate college QB

And hopefully stay committed to va tech

And hopefully remain enrolled at VT

And hopefully remain on the team during the whole time


1-0 every week

*all the good offensive records (not most fumbles in a season, etc)

Good point.

We've learned from many movies that when making a wish, nuance matters.

^ this hokie Pandoras

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

And get drafted in the first or second round

*of the NFL draft.

"Sooner or later, if man is ever to be worthy of his destiny, we must fill our heart with tolerance."
-Stan Lee

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

And hopefully not play for an OC named Cornelsen

Wish we could add that TE.

He's going to Mich St. I like Daequan Wright as a TE. He's a physical freak. We'll see how he does in college. Scored a TD last night.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

I LOVE Daequan Wright as a prospect, but I have a feeling he will be more of a Bucky-Jumbo WR type than a true TE/H-Back. Maybe we will use him in all those spots though, time will tell (hopefully he sticks).

M-I-L, T-O-N,

Used to hate when we played Milton and their stupid cheer, but I'll root for them for Devin Ferrell.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

expect to see some fallout from the coaching change as recruits react to the news and evaluate their options

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We will definitely drop in the rankings. As awesome as it would be for Orji and Ferrell to get to Blacksburg, the new coach will have to work to keep them in the fold.

As I posted before, the recruits know, they aren't stupid or ignorant, and there will be decommits.

I think Napier will be able to talk some of these guys into staying, can't say the same for Chadwell. If it's a bigger name, like, Franklin or Fickell, we might see some flips to the good guys.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

like, Franklin or Fickell, we might see some flips to the good guys

"if i win the mega-millions jackpot my work/life balance will improve significantly"

less flippant: the hope is you give the new coach a few weeks to start building relationships. definitely going to be concerns with recruits regarding position coaches and primary recruiters

Franklin? C'mon.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I definitely lol'ed at that one. We're more likely to lose out on a coach because Franklin is hired away to a different school, and Penn state hires whoever we wanted to hire.

Franklin or Fickell????

Franklin or fickell? Wrong, it's saban

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Current Roanoke-Hokie
Go Hokies!

Hopefully, the new coach brings some of his recruits with him.

Unfortunately if it's Napier, not sure there's many of his recruits that would be upgrades from our current commits. Better if he can just secure the commits we have.

New coach will definitely have some recruiting of our class to do but hopefully they can keep some of these guys.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Upcoming zoom meetings with committed recruits per Whit

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Yeah this is the fallout when you replace a coach....this recruiting class will suffer in some capacity. Hopefully, Whit has a plan in action and new head whistle can mimimize damage.

But depending on who get hired, who knows if some of these players are even going to be wanted by the new staff? Guess we'll see.

I'm hoping we can keep VA boys, GA boys, and Orji. Way too soon to tell who will stick and who won't though. It's best to expect nothing and hope for the best.

And all the linemen Vice brought in. It's a ton this class and we need 'em.

I'd like to keep some of those as well. With his brother already on the roster and starting Braelin Moore could stick, same with Gunner Givens given his open desire to stay close to home and play for his childhood favorite. Fingers crossed on both. I'd really like to keep a lot of these guys Lemar Law, D'Andre Martin, Cam Johnson, etc. but I just am trying not to get my hopes up at all.

I think for whoever the next coach is the portal will be their friend. Mel Tucker set a precedent on how to quickly overturn your roster with quality players by snagging some of the best guys the portal had to offer.

I know its forgotten sometimes but Fuente was buoyed by the portal if not for Jerod Evans does he last 6 seasons? The QB room was a bit weak before Evans came in and he really helped take us from decent to very good. Its a big part and whoever comes in is going to have to use it wisely.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

the transfer portal didnt exist when we had jerod evans, he was a juco guy

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Honestly forgot that but to me JUCO was similar in the sense pre-portal era to the portal now. Emphasis on trying to make sure we have a viable QB next season and the portal is most likely the best route unless Orji and Boyd stick around.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Which makes me wonder how JUCOs have changed now that they're not as integral to players finding a new D1 home.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Probably not because he never would have gotten that ridiculous extension and buyout so we could have cut the cord much sooner...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

Schools have been reaching out to Gunner trying to flip him.

EVERYONE is trying to get flipped right now. Nature of the business. Whit better have the right coach in place, and soon.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

True. Guess I shouldve said Gunner is one to watch. Sounds like he is atleast entertaining other ACC and Big 10 schools.

Second hand info but a pretty reliable source IMO.

Are there any kids committed to our supposed target that we would want or could get? Louisiana or Coastal?

Coastal's top commit is a 0.87 3* ATH
Louisiana's is 0.87 3* LB

We'd get more production out of the portal than anything we'd try to glue together with what Louisana and Coastal have as classes right now they're 62 and 68 respectively in class rank with a .84 and a .83 recruit avg rank.

(add if applicable) /s

I'd take Grayson McCall for sure

Don't disagree there are a few good talents but as has been discussed. Every coaches first class is usually awful. It's generally better to use the schollys pulling in known transfer talent for a better transition

(add if applicable) /s

Grayson will be Qbing the Football Team next after after being drafted in the 3rd round... lol

edit: I didn't know he was just a sophomore... portal it is!

Grayson was a 2 star recruit and not in top 100 in NC. Shows you what evaluation/ coaching can do

Could really use a new head coach announcement to keep some guys in the ship. It's unfortunate, but part of the process with the coaching change. I really hope that VT fans don't take it out on the kids. They need to make the best decision for themselves, and their future. And right now, they don't know what VT's future holds.

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BSME 2009

My guess is it won't be announced before the end of the regular season, but will be announced a week or two before ESD. Sometime between Nov 27th (UVA game) and Dec 15th (ESD). The sooner in that window the better, imo.

The current position with recruits is messy. There's definitely some hard feelings. Recruiting wise, I hope the new head whistle keeps at minimum, Smith, Lechtenberg, and Price. Whatever capacity it may be.

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BSME 2009

I don't know the dynamics inside the building well enough to challenge your desire to keep Lecht, though it does strike me as a little odd, but I would be totally fine if we manage to keep 2/3 of Smith, Price, and JHam. I think JHam will be the most difficult to retain since he is a DC now. He will likely see if he can get another P5 DC job if the current staff brings their own coordinators.

I'd be very very surprised if more than 1 coach was retained. That's just not what happens when you bring in a new head coach.

It's always going to be a case by case basis, but keeping a coach or two isn't uncommon.

I'd love to hold on to Smitty and Price, but keeping one would probably be enough to ease the new staffs transition with the VA high schools. Though Smitty is also a snipe candidate. We aren't the only ones aware that he is a very promising young coach, and there are other schools in our footprint who may want him to strengthen their foothold in VA...

If he goes to UNC I swear to f'ing god

UNC has Dre Bly there now, they're okay at that spot.

Yeah, the rude boys looked good at stopping no one this year

Yeah, they may get interviews just to see who is available, but I would imagine you're right that one MAYBE two at most are retained and the rest are sent into the carousel.

Curious why Lecht? Why do we need 10 RBs on the roster? And have we really developed any? We got a lot of production from Herbert, but what have we really gotten out of RBs not named Herbert since Lecht became RB coach? And we got a finished product in Herbert, no development required.

And have we really developed any?

No. Because you can't "develop" G5 talent into P5 talent. Short of Herbert, Fuente was never able to recruit the running backs he needed so he had to take who he could get. That ended up being a bunch of guys who maybe had the specific or limited talent to be useful in niche offensive roles at the P5 level but who were never the full package. Or guys who were "developmental projects." So you get a running back room with 10 guys and no clear starters.

Of the 10 backs I believe only the freshmen Thomas Christian and Black were offered by Lechty (and maybe Blackshear?). Of those Thomas has done great and we've heard a lot of buzz about Christian at practice

That may be true, but he's been the RB coach for 2 years - where's the development of the guys who were already here? King and Gary were both pretty highly rated. Gary apparently had a pretty spring, but now Thomas is better than all of them, or at least getting more carries? It looks like the rest of the offense - don't develop anybody, just get enough players in until you find one that "fits." Doesn't speak volumes for the ability to develop backs in my opinion.

I'm a critic of the entire offense, but this feels like you want it both ways. You can't give a new coach a bunch of guys who were just okay and say develop a bunch of guys you didn't want.

Like him or not, but facts are he inherited a mess of a room that included offering the wrong guys, missing on other guys and a generally bad room.

He got Herbert and the on field credit goes to KH (but the coaches role is to identify and get talent so this has to count) and last year's class has more talent than the entire room had coming back (see Thomas a a true fresh). You combine that with this year's class (a big step up as Brown can ball out) and the guy has done a miraculous job.

You can't critique him for sins of the past. I don't see how objectively you can't give him credit for the vast improvement. The issue of roster management isn't his - it's the head guy and coordinator to a certain extent. The offense is a hot mess, but Lecht is a small bright spot

PS - Gary was a good prospect who got seriously hurt as a senior and was a big risk as a result.

What I'm saying is I don't understand how it was a mess of a room. For some of the players, sure, but it sounds like all the players we had before Lecht became coach were trash. I'm not buying that. I used King and Gary as examples. I don't care if Gary was hurt, that was more than two years ago. King played some two years ago and showed flashes of being able to find holes, change direction and make tacklers miss, but was undersized. I'd think more than a year in the weight room would have helped with the size. I found an article that said Gary had a great spring. Finding Herbert was a great score, but unless you can find a guy like him that has more than one year of eligibility, you either have to find a new guy like Herbert every year or develop some of the guys you already have.

Some of the guys Lecht inherited were not good, but from stuff we actually got to see from King and Gary, they looked pretty good to me and I would have expected to have seen some development of them. Not sure how that's wanting things both ways. If we're playing a true freshman over guys who were pretty good two years ago, how is that not an indictment of a coach's ability to develop players? Bringing in good players is awesome, but you still have to develop the guys you already have. This is similar to how TT was really good when he got here. Awesome job recruiting him - but is he any better than when he got here? I don't think any of the offensive staff have shown any ability to actually develop the player's we've gotten, so yes, I guess Lecht can identify and recruit, but can you honestly say you've seen him develop anybody?

Sure looks like Thomas developed to me and that's only one year. The RB development line is decent, but let's be honest as it's about finding real talent at a position like that - this isn't QB.

Just not sure how you can equate 2020 with all other years. My view is he found a great player for 2020 and for 2021 he brought in talent, Blackshear is substantially better than a year ago and his recruiting class is the best RB class in a decade.

I'm confused. Thomas is class of 21 - so true freshman. Or am I getting that wrong? How do we know if he's developed since it's still his first year?

And I gave the recruiting. I'm asking where the development is. I know it was limited playing time two years ago, but my recollection is that King and Gary had some pretty good plays - just didn't want to play King too much because he was undersized and Gary was still coming off his injury. Or am I misremembering that those guys had talent as well?

So far the points I've seen are that Lecht is a good recruiter, which I have conceded. But unless I am totally misremembering two years ago, we had two talented guys who were lumped into a crap RB room that we haven't seen be developed, which apparently people are fine with because people have generally conceded that the RBs we had before this year and Lecht got Herbert we're all crap. And, maybe it's just me, but even if we had a couple semi-decent guys, I'd think a good coach would have been able to develop them to the point of being better than an incoming freshman, unless that guy was an absolute beast.

And with regards to Blackshear, everything we heard last year was the dude was the best athlete we had in practice and we were going to see him, etc. So how much with him is just Herbert rightfully got most of the carries and Blackshear just didn't get the reps to shine?

Maybe I'm just spoiled with my memories of what a "good" back is - Herbert sure seemed like some of the guys we've had in the past, before we say we want to keep a guy on offense, I want to know he can really develop guys, not just recruit them.

My guess is Sunday or maybe Monday right after the UVa game.

Or maybe Saturday like we did when Fu was announced.

Word leaked out on that Saturday, but Fuente was not officially announced until the next day.

While very true, there is a chance that any new hire could bring in new recruits too. And not necessarily people who are committed to new coach's former school.

There's going to be a ton of movement in coaching this year, big schools are gonna process kids... we might lose some good talent but there's an opportunity to gain as well.

Plus: new coach, new portal. How'd that work out for Kenneth Walker?

DeAndre Martin getting crystal balls to South Carolina now. Not surprising Shane and others would come to pick apart this recruiting class.


Hopefully new coach can reel him back in. Really sucks that the first weekend after we fire our coach Martin takes a trip to SCar for a night game win over Auburn.

I do find it hilarious that they're called "crystal balls".

I like to imagine Evan sitting on a mountaintop.

Seated in full lotus, deep in meditation.

In the distance, a single shriek of an eagle. Then silence, aside from the wind.

His eyes suddenly snap open.

(whisper) "DeAndre Martin is entertaining other offers"

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

We're going to lose recruits and people to the portal. It happens.

Let's be honest - Virginia Tech Football is a complete gut job right now. A new coach is going to need three years to undo the Fuente-regime mistakes and lay his own foundation. This isn't basketball where you can slap together a few guys and have instant success.

Generally, I agree. However, the fastest route to improving this team is QB. If you can somehow find a Qb or 2 to build around that isn't a 3-4 year project then you can potentially accelerate that process.

I'm still bewildered as how poorly the QB room is right now. Resembles a RB or H back room vs a QB room.

I don't think we have a P5 quarterback on our roster. Farrell and Orji have potential but both are projects.

We badly need at least 2 guys from the portal.

I hope whoever the coach is at least kicks the tires on Rattler. I don't expect him to come here, as he will likely have many suitors but you make the call.

You really want this dude leading our team next year:

Hard pass bro.

I 100% want a QB as good as Rattler on our team for one year, yes. I already have seen all this stuff.

I will reserve judgement on Bullock, but for the 3 that have seen the field I agree. I'm not interested in Rattler just because people know his name as he is definitely a cancer culture wise.

Depending upon who we hire who knows, but I do know they can sell playing time.

One year of Rattler determined to make it to the NFL is fine with me. At least he'll be motivated to play well.

Agree to disagree unless the kid has changed in a big way.

Burmeister is a P5 QB.

Not a great one mind you, but people underestimate how much injuries can affect an athlete. Injuries and the lack of a P5 backup basically took away the best part of his game (of which he may be the 2nd or 3rd best in the ACC) and forced him to rely on his weakness (of which he may be the 2nd or 3rd worst in the ACC).

I'd love to see Burmeister in the slot for us next year. I don't think he is a P5 QB.

Agreed. Burmeister would make an interesting weapon in the slot, assuming he can catch. At QB he is just But Sister.

It's real football, not a board game.

Do I think he will realistically change positions? Probably not, but John Rhys Plumlee started a bunch of games at QB in a run oriented version of the Ole Miss Offense under Rich Rod in 2019, and moved to slot receiver, utility role weapon for the last two years under Kiffin since he elected to go with the superior passing option in Matt Corral. So stuff like this does happen sometimes.

Just because it's happened on very rare occasions - with even rarer success - it doesn't mean it's any less of a ridiculous fantasy league notion in this circumstance.

Exactly what skill set do you see from BB which makes you think he could transition to a slot receiver? I see virtually none. Even his speed is mostly straight-ahead, not lateral.

he could run a mean jet sweep

Ok, you got me there!

It is really hard to say since he was playing for an OC who played a lot of Madden and NCAA growing up and thought he could run a college offense. BB doesn't have a great arm but who knows if he wasn't handicapped by the staff.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

I agree, last year when QB was between him and Hooker I was thinking Hooker should be QB1 but BB3 needs to be on the field in some capacity and he has the body type and quickness to fit in the slot

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

I have been on this for a while. Despite all of the other things that have transpired during Fuente's term, he was basically a QB away from consistently winning 8-10 games. But that is REAL problem. The "QB Whisperer" could neither recruit his guy, nor develope his guy at QB. If could even have had a QB develope over a 2-3 year span, we would be pretty good. Look at what Pitt did with Pickett - it took 5 years, but he got to his finished state.

Tre Turner's mom pointed out he had caught passes from 7 different QBs on his way to 2000 yards. That is not the stat line you want for a top notch program - unless 4 of those 7 went to the NFL and the other 3 were playing mop up duty.

Even worse he had several QBs who would have been within the acceptable range, and for some reason couldn't retain them.

Does anyone think we wouldn't have a winning record this year if we had Hendon Hooker as QB? I think we'd be headed to the ACC Championship.

So for me, it a head-scratcher that Fuente didn't make retaining those guys a #1 priority. Seems to me that it cost him dearly.

Yes, especially if the guys in charge in this scenario trusted HH to do simple read options, go through progressions and generally make choices for the craft that he's been doing his entire life and has obviously become talented enough to do at the FBS Power 5 level...but alas, here we are...

(Edited for confusing grammar)

Understand what you are saying in general theory. But I'm far from convinced that we would have a winning record if Hooker was here. Heck, I'm not sure if a young Dan Marino would have helped given the offensive system and play calling that we would have had. Doubt the Corn and Fu would have gotten out of Hooker's (or Marino's) way enough to let them win games.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

We'd have a winning record if we had won one more game.

With the articles that have come out on Corn, I don't think Fuente retaining them was an option for some of these QBs.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

This is complete nonsense. VT was and is an above average QB from being right there with a Pitt team which starts 15 seniors.

Frankly if BB wasn't playing injured this year and had a capable backup - two big IFs, but by the same token not a "complete gut job" - this team itself would likely have at least 2 or 3 more wins.

A complete gut job would be what Buzz Williams took over (or arguably Mike Young).

it's not a complete gut job, but it's most likely gonna get worse before it gets better and there is a real chance we bottom out next year and win 3-4 games as a raw team adjusts to new schemes. our biggest issue will be rebuilding depth on this roster. the ones aren't awful, the twos need development and reps, but the threes and fours are all projects -- raw players where the outgoing staff saw something that could be developed, but perhaps the incoming staff isn't as excited about taking on the project.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Weren't we down to a single scholarship player at one point after Buzz left?

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

This is complete nonsense. VT was and is an above average QB from being right there with a Pitt team which starts 15 seniors.


Map out next year's starting 11 on both sides of the ball and get back to me. We're losing a bunch of guys this year (to the NFL and the portal) and the second string doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.

Pray to transfer portal gods, we're going to need help.

That still doesn't make it a gut job.

It's college football. Every team loses people to graduation and the portal - particularly this year, yet younger players - many of whom fans have little knowledge - will step in, some will actually be an improvement (some won't) and life will go on.

Will next year be great? Short of some miraculous portal pulls - which is possible given the opportunities - next year may be an uphill climb.

But there are also a lot of unknowns in the Coastal. Does Pitt doesn't drop off after losing 15 senior starters including the QB? Do GT or Duke look more cohesive than the mess they are on both sides of ball? How will UNC look without Howell (we might get a bit of a peak of that this weekend)? If Armstrong leaves, where does that leave an otherwise awful, undertalented UVa?

And yeah, Van Dyke has looked good for 5-6 games, but we've been through this drill before.

The one thing which is almost certain is it won't play out the way the consensus thinks it will.

Farrell running Chadwell's option-based offense would be fun to see.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Edit. Double post

"Recruiting thread"

You don't want the real news, unless you like masochism. A good chunk of decommits coming, or not signing on ESD. There's quite a few who think Napier ain't the guy, or aren't too thrilled with the publicly listed names in our carousel search. If we can retain some staff, I can see some of the kids staying on, but not counting chickens yet.

Malachi Madison is the only one I know who is all in as of yesterday.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Hey man, no need to be so Huffy

Huff could reel these guys in

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

While that is likely the case, it shouldn't impact Whit's search one iota. You don't make a coaching decision based on current players/recruits. That's how we got James Johnson after Greenberg left.

I think we got James Johnson because Jim Weaver was cheap and not very good at his job.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

because Jim Weaver was cheap and not very good at his job hiring coaches


Jim Weaver was a great AD in the pre-arms-race era. Getting us into the ACC was an amazing feat. He just didn't have the vision to see where collegiate athletics (primarily revenue sports) would be 5 years later.

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I wouldn't say *great* considering how incredibly far behind VT was in fundraising, facilities, recruiting etc.

Agreed on the move to the ACC, however.

Hokies United l Ut Prosim

I think bar's point still stands - all the things you mentioned I would classify as happening post-arm's race era.

People forget that when Weaver stepped down as AD, the VT athletic department was essentially running in the black. Facilities & fundraising were lagging when Whit came in, but he wasn't saddled with a deficit and that was a huge advantage.

Contrast that with an athletic department like Maryland, where they literally had to move to the B1G because they were so far in the red they couldn't make up the difference in the ACC. (There's an entirely different conversation to have there in that the B1G could offer so much more money, but Maryland was run very poorly regardless)

Maryland spent stupid money on stupid things, and tried to take stupid shortcuts.

They painted themselves into a corner.

And while you get more money in the Big 10, so do the other teams there, and we're talking about teams who actually have a football tradition.

That's the frustrating part was VT was almost at the start of the Arms race after the 99 season. My understanding is we did aggressively update our facilities, expanded our stadium and joined the ACC (home of a perennial title contender at the time and fantastic basketball, Olympic sports and academics) with Miami (who was also a perennial top team). It's just nothing happened after 2005ish and that's when we fell behind.

Additionally, these kids can decommit or go somewhere else now. Then when the new coach comes in, they can always come back if its a mutual agreement.

I totally understand some of them going somewhere more stable now to make sure they have a spot. But if the next hire is fire, they could easily be fighting to get back in with VT.

Previously LowBrau.

And yet we still couldn't keep Montrezl Harrell in the boat!

I don't know what the numbers mean; but here is the breakdown form Hokie Sports on our Football Roster:

We only have 5 Senior, R-Sr. and 2 Grad students on the roster. We have 73 Fr/R-Fr.; must be a lot of non-scholarship players in that group.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

it's because last year didn't count towards eligibility so the overall snapshot of breakdown-by-year skews way younger

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Just noticed that all the true Seniors are transfers; Changa Hodge, Tae Dailey, Johnny Jordan and John Parker Romo. I guess the 24 Jr/RJr on the roster should actually be the current senior class. Just for fun, here is the breakdown by position:

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Good to hear these reactions from TLP article:

"I like it. Coach Pry has ties to VA and he'd be a great asset to help recruiting in the home state. Also very sharp mind especially on the defensive side of the ball," Gosnell said.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009