MBB VS MIAMI Jan 26 at 7 PM

The Hokies host Miami tonight at 7 PM. The game is on the ACC Network. I think I must be reading the line wrong because it says the Hokies are favored by 5; O/U 133.5. MIami is 14-5, 6-2 in the ACC with the 2 losses to FSU.

Having Covid takes a lot of energy; so just the tables again today.

MIami is pretty good with wins over Duke, UNC, Wake, Syracuse, Clemson and NC State. We lost relatively close games to Duke, UNC and NC State and not so close to Wake.

MIami roster is not the worst match up for us:

Their two really big men only play about 5 min per game.

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Miami is a threat from beyond the ark; so our guards will have to do a better job keeping track of their assignment. I think we have a chance in this game if Mutts, Alleyn or Murphy can contribute; or if Pedulla or Maddox can contribute from the bench. We also need Ojiako or N'Guessan to play enough minutes to keep Aluma fresh. If we don't get a lot from any of these five, we will not do well.

LETS GO HOKIES!

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So I saw the line is favoring us -5 and ESPN's BPI gives us an 82% chance of winning. Am I missing something? Does Da U have a bunch of people out? Those numbers just seem wrong. I would LOVE for them to be right but seeing both teams play of late, something seems off.

Pls edit your post to include 'lets go'...and ill edit mine to say 'hokies' and all will be right with our world....

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

LETS GO!

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

HOKIES!

Two careless live ball turnovers in the first couple of minutes. Need to get our heads in the game.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

For some reason it seems like McGusty has been playing for Miami since the Greenberg era.

I think we're saying while we've all been clamoring to see more of Maddox for the past four games

unusual foul call there by the refs. What is a "charge"? Dont know that I've seen one of those called for us this season.

We probably got the benefit of his left arm coming out. Made it look worse.

Once again, more minutes for Maddox. Pedulla getting more floor time than Storm early, but he has 3/4 of the six turnovers.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Half of their points are off turnovers. That's nuts.

The announcers are not bad. I could deal with them on the regular.

Still getting better offense with Pedulla and Maddox than with Murphy and Allene.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Murphy getting exhausting to watch. Also lazy telegraphed passes getting picked off multiple times a game is getting old.

Can someone tell the play by play at halftime that its "a-lean" not "a-lane"?

Shes terrible. 'O boards' she said earlier.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

I get giving some new folks a chance, but she needs a lot of work before she becomes good. Tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's over her head here.

Ten turnovers. Still five minutes to go.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I wonder how many more times we can't get to the rim and not finish

do we not know how to make a layup?

Bro, like catch and shoot draw that foul. Why hesitate there alleyne

Storm has one of the worst Player Efficiency Ratings in the ACC (HERE).

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I was just saying to myself his shooting seems to get worse with every shot he takes... and your link is behind a paywall

Sorry about that, didn't realize it was ESPN+.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

That is a terrible call on Mutts.

Did he push a little? Yes, but you don't make that call unless it affects the play.

Yeah seemed like more of a trip by the guy during hand fighting

If they didn't call the guy pushing Aluma in the back on his dunk, they can't call that. So inconsistent. But Mutts needs to learn how to avoid that. He has been in foul trouble in too many games.

Somewhat agree, but that high energy play style results in that. It goes hand in hand.

The only way to avoid that is to put on a powder or royal blue jersey. Then he would never be in foul trouble

ehhhh.... watching that replay is was pretty clear. Dumb move doing that right in front of the ref.

Couple of thoughts.
1. ACCN with the awful commentators again...lol
2. We're in another winnable game, let's hope we can close
3. This team desperately needs a slasher/someone to attack the rim.
4. I don't like to talk badly about players but Storm is....not good. At all.
5. We are very, very stagnant on offense. Not much movement off the ball which leads to poor passing options/more turnovers. Just odd imo since MY has generally been good at orchestrating/coaching offense.

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If the ACCNet continues with remote announcing after Covid, these games will begin to be unwatchable.

They make a higher percentage of low percentage shots then we make on layups.

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Don't like taking Maddox out right there. He was hot and you need that energy and offense on the court

The lack of PT for Maddox has to be one of the biggest headscratchers of this year.

Great to see Maddox getting more minutes and producing. Looks like the most natural perimeter scorer on the team. Glad CMY is giving him more opportunity.

Pedulla and Maddox have both shown the ability to drive to the rim and look to score. Has made a world of difference in the offense

Welp five minutes left. Time to put storm back in leave Maddox on the bench and give up the lead

What kind of bullshit not jump ball call was that

That one was egregious. The guy that called the foul was on the back side of the play and shielded from the ball. Garbage.

Called by the official who could not see the play.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

Just for once it would be nice to get the calls at home our opponents always seem to get.

And it would also be nice if ACCNet would show a replay on a controversial call. Seems like the directors have been told to protect the officials.

I don't understand pulling Maddox and not putting him back in. He's shooting well and not a defensive liability.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Thought process is to be experienced on the floor late in crunch time, but given the performance late this year I vehemently disagree

Huge foul missed on Mutts...thanks Teddy

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Replay on the 3 point foul show Wong moved his pivot foot and traveled.. sigh

Another terrible set on offense with game on the line.

Storm Murphy bails us out by taking the charge

Pls don't turn it over.......

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

I wonder if there is an Analytic for % of Offensive possessions where you don't get the ball within 18 feet of the rim.

We seem to "accomplish" that alot. Think there maybe just maybe is a correlation with our struggles.

Buzz Williams would have had that stat to give to his team at halftime lol

It seems like we always have the wrong player taking the shot or taking the wrong shot at the end of the shot clock,

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

That's the play we drew up? Geez.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I think what we saw was a bastardized version of what CMY was calling for, due in equal parts to UM's tight perimeter defense and our team's inability to make a play with the ball.

Call a timeout for a desperation three with Momentum going away from the basket.

Terrible

Why...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Jesus Christ man deep ass 3 is all we got?

Ugh...contested 25 footer...that's the best we could come up with???

This team is cursed

We have ran that play too many times. Need to go to the hoop.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own

Umm dude straight up picked up the ball and took steps before they gave him the TO.

Welp...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Lol of fucking course and honestly we deserve it

You have got to be fucking kidding me

I am soulless.

Being a Hokie fan has stolen my soul.

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Didn't like Catoor taking a shot so early and off course the bank was open... 🙃

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That was Storm that was open right? Not really a high percentage shot right now regardless of how open he is.

Wasn't saying to let Storm shoot as much as I thought they should've started the final "play" a few seconds later.

Also regardless of high percentage shots, VT has a zero percent chance to lose in regulation if they took the last shot.

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What. The. Fuck

Fucking terrible play which gave them an extra possession followed by terrible defense. Fucking hell

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It's a great time to be a Hokie right?

Yikes.

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so how we doing on the recruiting trail?! /s

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Well ain't that a kick in the ass SMH.

Why bother guarding the inbounder there?

No time for him to get the ball back and a shot off.

I'm starting to lose confidence in CMY.

Just mindless end of the game....awful, low percentage final shot and leave the other team enough time to get a shot off. It's senseless.

Dare I say Fuente-esque

I'm listening to the post game radio interview and CMY said he ran that play 3 times with good results so that's why he picked that play but he thinks Cattoor took the shot too quickly.

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But ultimately, who does that fall back on?

As the HC, you make it clear not to leave any time on the clock. Catoor isn't a Fr....its not acceptable that he doesn't understand how to handle an end of game possession.

Even more so, Maddox clearly looked like the best offensive player on the court tonight, yet we take him off the court so we can have more "experienced" players take 25 ft fadeaways?

Missing Frazier more than we'd like to admit, methinks.

I don't disagree. Need to see what he can do with Rodney Rice before I use the F-word (Fuente) though.

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Yeah, being a bit over the top, but while there are some Roster limitations, the coaching this year just hasn't been very good.

CMY really needs to hit the Portal this offseason and build a functional Roster. Absolutely need to find someone who can drive and create their own shots. The pass the ball around the 3 point line Offense ain't gonna cut it.

If we see more of the same next year, I will be seriously concerned.

Sounds just like Mendenhall's comment that "he liked the chances" of that pass to their OT with the game on the line...

Soooo we a football school again?

Instead of collapsing at the 35 minute mark we saved it for the 39:55 mark. I guess that's improvement...?

Scoring drought to end the game along with that god-awful contested jumper with five seconds left. I am a broken man.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I don't understand taking a shot with seconds left to get a rebound. You can't lose the game if the shot comes at the buzzer. But you can obviously lose it with shot with a few seconds left.

.....yeah that's about right.....

Sigh

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CMY said Maddox was terrific tonight in the post game. Hopefully he'll get more and more minutes

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Did he say anything about our final possession?

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Yes see my response to hokieinFLA above

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Was cleaning the kitchen and saw 1.5 seconds. Figure I'd empty the litter box, change the baby's diaper, and then be back in time to watch OT.

Came upstairs and got hit with a trifecta of shit. Bag of cat shit in left hand, shitty diaper in right hand, verbal "shit" from my mouth seeing post game show instead of OT basketball.

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That was awful. We had the last possession. There was no way to lose in regulation. Instead we jacked up a terrible 3 with way too much time and the rest is history. How does a veteran team make so many stupid mistakes? This is like a return to the old days for Hokies basketball. Finding ways to lose.

I'd rather get a bucket with ~10 seconds left and lock down than miss a bad shot at the buzzer to go to OT but that's just me. Just hate that play design from start to finish, if you're going to jack a low percentage shot then do it at the buzzer

BTW, I was astounded that we were listed in the next 4 out going into this game. The Hokies have been given huge amounts of goodwill from the pundits, but have wasted it.

My guess is the algorithms still have us there since most all of our losses are close. But this team could be used as an example of why you need to use the eye test as well or at the very least, adjust your models. This team shouldn't have been listed anywhere on a Bracketology graphic for the last month

You sure they weren't talking about the NIT?

Not even mad, just bad luck but caused by a dumb final possession start to finish. We deserved for something like that to happen. Not sure OT would've been any prettier.

...but caused by a dumb final possession a big, giant bag of dipshit turnovers start to finish.

Not mad either, but I've entered the same state that I did with Football. I'll watch if I can, but its not appointment viewing and regardless of what the outcome is it does nothing to sway my emotions. I'm not just invested in this team any more this year.

It's still appointment viewing for me but only because I know we aren't mathematically eliminated yet. When we lose at FSU and at Pitt I'll stop watching

People will cry about "luck" but at the end of the day our poor coaching and idiotic play was showcased again.

Zero excuse for shooting a contested deep 3 with 5 seconds left in a tie game. Have to hold for last shot. You would think a team with a veteran "great offensive mind" coach and 5 veteran starters would know that.

Also Darius Maddox was our best threat today in his minutes. He was pulled with 8 mins left and never came back due to Youngs obsession with his un-clutch vets

I don't get the hold for the final shot thing if you don't have anything drawn up. Go get a bucket at the rim or get fouled then lock down next possession

Why would you not wait to go and get a bucket at the rim? Initiate your set with <10 seconds left and get a good look at <3 seconds left. Why add extra variables (give the ball back to the other team for a chance at a 3 and the win)????

Regardless, who on our team can actually get a bucket at the rim.

Any smart coach wants the last shot there. Worst case OT, best case win. Your idea has worst case loss, best case win, medium case tie.

Shooting a bad 3 with 5 seconds left is even worse though

Cause you can drive and kick if nothings there. If you're holding you get one look and then maybe one kick back for a bad shot.

It's a low percentage strategy and gives away your advantage which is possession. If you run your offense and miss that isn't a terrible outcome to me, you just got straight up beat. And you still have chance to get a stop.

Edit:
To expand on the best/worst case scenarios with very rough estimates.

Your strategy:
Win: 15%
Tie: 84.99%
Lose: .01% (last night)

My strategy:
Win: 30%
Tie: 60%
Lose: 10%

And that's probably low balling the win percentage for my strategy and high balling it for yours.

Time to prep for 2023 as far as I'm concerned

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Looks like we may be a football school again. I really like CMY and his fit with VT, but this year has been an unmitigated disaster. Really hope he can right the ship next year.

Unmitigated disaster indeed. Everyone was referring to VT as the veteran squad that was going to make waves in the ACC this year. Turns out they were talking about us in the shallow, kiddie end of the ACC pool while the rest of the league plays in the deep end.

I, too, love CMY in what he is about and what he is doing to represent VT. But at this point he is making several choices that are leaving us fans scratching our heads as the results are trending in the wrong direction. I hope he has the foresight to make the correct and necessary changes to avoid the groundswell with the Hokie Club and enthusiasm around basketball. CMY, CKB, and CBP are three HCs who are very good optics for Virginia Tech athletics, and I'd like for it to stay that way for a while. (I didn't purposefully leave out other sports...I just don't know anything about them)

Does anyone remember 2 years ago when the play CMY drew up to beat Syracuse was a 35 footer from Nolley that slammed off the backboard?

He's been a head coach for way too long to still be making these mistakes.

Just got home, I was sitting behind the basket Cattoor took the final shot towards. I don't know how it looked on TV, but it was...awful in every way imaginable. Rushed, sloppy, poorly thought out setup, and not there. Much like our defense tonight. Miami was shooting well, but where their good shooting ended, our bad defense began.
We had nobody in the paint multiple times in both halves, and then on offense the unforced turnovers throughout...yeesh.

Then the winning shot, from where I was sitting, looked like it was gonna be short. Between this and standing there watching Brandon Pace hook it wide right vs NC State in 2004, I think I've got enough in-person last second Hokie losses to last me a lifetime. That fucking sucked.

Sidenote, every other team in the ACC gets home cooking....there were a few questionable calls in the second half, including one where the guy took like 4 steps and somehow drew a foul instead of getting whistled for traveling. Just lots of little things added up, and that's what gets you beat when you're a team like we are. CMY's got to take a good hard look at everything including himself, this is really not where I thought this team would be at this point.

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Brandon Pace hook it wide right vs NC State in 2004

Well, I had scrubbed that one from my memory...so thanks

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

We might have found the ceiling of our mid major roster...

Here's to hoping our incoming class can start a turn around.

And our mid major coach.

FFS, why on our last possession do we not try to work in for a high % shot rather than launch from 6 feet behind the 3 pt line?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Because in this game, we were shooting better from range (13/25 before the final shot, compared to 12/24 from inside the arc)

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You saw that last shot? There was virtually no chance of that one becoming number 14.

If we had a clean look at a reasonable 3, sure...but that won't it

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I mean that's how the play was drawn up....we go pretty much lifeless once the drawn up play gets shut down so probably the same outcome. That's Cattoor's best shot when he gets it clean can't really blame them for drawing that up.

I wish we least tried something inside to Aluma we only needed 2 and if him and Mutts are in we have a significant size advantage downlow but we've been so inconsistent in the paint that I can see why we didn't go that way.

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Impressive game winning shot but doesn't hold a candle to Les Henson's full court toss to beat FSU way back in the day. Anyone else old enough to remember that one?

I was at that game. Greatest shot I have ever seen!

Welp. At least the bench actually got real minutes (not breather minutes) and played pretty well all things considered. More of that please.

By the far the best part of the game. I would have loved to have seen MY give it Maddox and say, let's see what you got with 3 on the clock. At ;eastveyone who watch film would not have said, - this is what they usually run.

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Basically every positive thing we said about this team the last 2 years under MY has completely unraveled this year. We saw a team that, even if not necessarily the most talented, was always playing tough, closing games out, playing smart situational basketball, running good set plays. Absolutely none of that this year with an extremely experienced roster. Reflects extremely, extremely poorly on the coaching staff IMO. Just extremely alarming stuff in year 3 of MY that can't be blamed or written off on a young roster or down/rebuilding year.

We are missing the athletic guard that can create his own jump shot consistently and can get to the rim and finish when necessary. Otherwise, we have a great team, but you cannot win without at least one dynamic player like that.

Last year it was Radford. This year, Catoor, Alleyne, Murphy, Pedulla just aren't those type of players. Maddox might be one day, but isn't to that point yet. Pedulla has a good future as well. But this year, we are just missing that player.

RJ Davis did it against us when we played UNC. Last night it was McGusty. All these teams we are losing to have a player that fits that description; that player that just turns it on and gets his shot or gets to the rim when they need it most.

I like this team, they have a lot of talent and are fun to watch. I hope they can dig deep and finish the season strong.

Yep. If we had a Justin Robinson or even 75% of JR, this would be an incredibly different team.

So next year, we got Rice, Collins and Wessler coming in...we lose Murphy, Aluma and Mutts, right?

I like Pedulla, but he has got a ways to go before he is THE guy running point, IMO....we goin portal hunting in the offseason?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

You've got to. They should be knocking on Louisville kid's doors right now.

It's really gonna hurt that we missed on all of our top forward targets in this class as well (Clowney (Ala), Nickel (UNC), Ward (Xav))

Truth. Plus the near miss on PJ Hall the year before hurts us too (we made the final 2). He's currently averaging like 15 ppg at Clemson.

I dunno I feel like another year in the weight room and In practice and Pedulla can at minimum perform to storms level (I would say he's already better) and has 3-4 years to improve more. Jrob had a lot of haters when he was young but all those years running point made him reliable.

based on my limited viewing i'd say Pedulla is already performing at Storm's level if not better. He needs way more minutes just like Maddox. Storm and Mutts need less time until they can prove they deserve the minutes.

Pedulla's minutes are going up game by game and Murphy's are going down.

I think of it this way. We took the #1 team in the ACC to the fricking wire and they needed a half court shot at the buzzer to beat us. Miami had done their scouting and picked off how many passes in the first half when we tried to get the ball to the paint for Aluma?

I think the game should have helped their confidence. On to the next. Go Hokies

I agree. I don't mind scouring the portal for a PG, but in my mind Pedulla should be getting more minutes than Storm. He's as good as him already when on the floor.

He still takes some silly fouls, but his defense is coming along.

I agree about Storm but Mutts is a good player. He's just an undersized PF and therefore gets into foul trouble often, which limits his contributions. Besides, who would you replace him with? lol

Based on the FSU game, I'm feeling more confident about Pedulla, lol

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

This team, plain and simple, has mastered the art of losing. If there is a way to lose, they will find it. Yes, Miami made a lucky shot, but let's recount what happened before that.

Tech takes a two-possession lead 75-70 with 2:24 left. Miami proceeds to get an and-one late in the shot clock. I don't hate fouling on a layup, but you make sure that guy does not make the shot and have him shoot two. He missed the foul shot anyway. Assuming Mutts fouls in such a way that the guy doesn't make the layup and all else is equal, Miami gets, at most, one point from the line.

Ensuing offensive possession, VT runs the shot clock down to kill time and get a good look. Not a bad plan by any means. However, Mutts goes up soft, has his shot affected, and doesn't even draw iron. Miami ball.

Ensuing Miami possession, Keve Aluma fouls a three-point shooter, something you never, ever do. Doesn't matter the time, situation, or player. Just don't do it. It wasn't bad luck either. Aluma got into Wong's landing space. That is a foul every time. Wong makes all three foul shots, and the game is tied.

Ensuing Tech possession, Aluma shoots a three and misses. It wasn't a bad look, and he got his feet set properly. There was a decent close-out from the side by a Miami player but still slightly late. That is a shot Aluma has to make if he is going to take it. There were still 46 seconds left on the game clock and 11 seconds left on the shot clock. If we were going for the two-for-one, which I assume we were, I would have preferred passing that up and finding another shot five to seven seconds later. Nonetheless, we got the two-for-one we were looking for when Miami missed with less than 30 seconds left.

Last Tech possession, shot clock is off, game is tied. At the very worst, you are looking at overtime. Hunter Catoor jacks up a contested three four feet behind the three-point line with five seconds left and misses. Miami grabs the rebound with three seconds left. This is where Miami screwed up. They should have taken the timeout immediately. They could have inbounded to halfcourt and had a couple seconds to advance the ball and get a decent look for the win. Instead they take a few dribbles and set themselves up for a halfcourt shot that... well, you know.

Regardless, Catoor has to know the time and situation there. You do not, under any circumstance, give Miami a chance there. The only time I can slightly see taking a shot early is if you have capable rebounders on the offensive end that can get a tip-in or other second shot. Only Aluma looked interested in getting a rebound there, and Miami had three guys in the area. Miami was grabbing that rebound and getting a chance.

As is the case with this team, though, they give the other team chances and find ways to lose. Have they been unlucky? Sure. Wong has been a 73.1% foul shooter on the season. The chances of him making three foul shots in a row theoretically was 39%. The chances of that halfcourt shot going in was probably less than a fourth of that. At the end of the day, though, you have to make winning plays. This team makes losing plays, and their conference record reflects that.

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The set they ran for the Catoor shot resulted in his momentum moving laterally away from the basket making it a very hard shot. In addition Murphy was open on the side and he would have been able to step towards the basket and taken a couple more seconds off the clock. Rather than either of those options I would have preferred a play resulting in a drive to the basket that if you don't make the shot you might pick up a foul or at the least you would expect a shorter rebound hoping for a tip in. If it was a coaches decision to have Catoor take that shot that is dissappointing.

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I totally agree on a drive to the basket play. Higher chance of getting a foul called, AND it could have opened someone up for a good look 3 if the Miami defenders crash to help defend whoever took the ball to the basket. I don't care what ran well in practice...they couldn't have simulated Miami's size and speed with our bench.

To this point, something the announcers called out last night was that our drive to the hoop is to draw attention, and we're not going strong with the intent to score. Miami seemed to acknowledge this and knew that strong drives were only going to result in the ball getting kicked back out for a longer open shot.

Which is why they were fouling Pedulla when he actually drove for the basket. He actually shots it.

We don't really have anyone who can consistently drive and score, which is the biggest flaw of the team imo.

It's either swing the ball around a bunch of times for a 3, or dump it to Aluma/Mutts to back down the defender from 15 feet. Not too complicated to defend.

and this is the other point they made last night too - we're too small, can't drive, and dont have anyone that can be a presence in the paint

Last year Aluma played much bigger than his actual size and was an All ACC. This year he isn't. He is staying around the outside, and not really driving/working his way in. He can take advantage at times at working inside.

Mutts has really developed his ability to drive the ball to the rim this year and his ability to work around the basket. Last night he was 1 point, and 2 assists away from a triple double.