2022 CFB coaching carousel thread

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I mean, who didn't see this coming? I wonder who they target.

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Justin Fuente

I mean he can't really do much worse

That's the most ludicrous crap I've ever heard

I mean a lot of people make him out to be the worst coach ever, and sure he had a couple absolutely abysmal years recruiting, but he won 27 more games than frost with the same number of losses. Fuente eould be some to hire if you wanted some one with P5 experience. Fuente only had one year with a losing record in conference games (his 2nd year at Memphis). Frost only has 1 year with a winning record in conference games ( his 2nd at UCF). Frost only has ever had 1 winning season.

Fuente was mediocre, but he's a Midwest guy and if he can come to the conclusion he had to many yes men instead of coaches working together then he might do well somewhere, but mediocre is far superior to anything Nebraska has seen in years.

I think it depends on if he takes Corny with him. Don't forget that a lot of Fuente's wins were on the backs of a fairly small handful of players. What does Fuente's record look like without Evans and Herbert? Can Fuente recruit to Nebraska? Would it be easier for him to recruit to a bigger city like Lincoln? Who knows.

What if he actually succeeded there (with or without Corny). If he succeeded without him, seems like it would be obvious Corny held him back. If he succeeded with him, I guess just not a good fit at Tech?

Regardless, I think this is a long shot. My guess is he winds up an OC somewhere and works back to HC, assuming he does well, and stays in the Midwest.

Or he made mistakes at VT and learned and grew. I expect Pry to make mistakes and learn from them and grow in his role. Doesn't mean he was a bad fit, it means it was too earlier in his career.

He also had 6 years at Tech (that he could have learned from year to year, but didn't seem to) and was previously a head coach, so not the same as Pry.

I think he meant Justin Fuente couldn't see that coming :-)

I mean, we already know he brings his own Corn. Seems like a perfect fit.

My message to Nebraska if they do hire Fuente...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

Maybe it didn't work out for us because we didn't try it with butter

Imagine Corny going to coach for Nebraska..... they'd be Corn's Huskers.

Or Huskers' scorn.

You joke but I'm seeing a lot of Nebraska fans saying they should get him

Yikes

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Those who do not learn from history something something...

Remember they ran Pelini out of town for getting 9 wins a year

After giving Frank Solich the boot for having the nerve to only win 10 games per year.

Fun fact: Jimbo Fisher is 35-15 after 4+ years in College Station.

Kevin Sumlin was on the hot seat after going 36-14 over the same number of games.

To be fair...Johnny Manziel single handedly won about 20 of those games.

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Jimbo after getting aTm to agree to that insane contract

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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With the cash they have and the time of year, I am willing to bet they overpay someone to pull them away from a program. The hot coach would be Huff but I just do not see him leaving until an end of a season to see what his options are.

Given the difference in tv deals, I would have to think any ACC coach except Dabo would be interested in hopping over to the Big Ten.

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I like Pry, but seeing Huff stick it to ND reminded me how bad I wanted him. I think he is going to be crazy successful.

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I think cfb may have passed brasky pants by. only person i think could fit there from xs and os is caldwell, but hes definitely not a culture fit.

I been here since day 0.

I was pretty surprised they brought him back to be honest. This is really early, but I think there was no doubt he was getting fired after this week. No sense letting a lane duck coach hang around the rest of the season and tank your recruiting.

Lane duck coach...
I see what you did there.

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Not sure what happened to other thread. But here is repost.

Imagine having so much money as a program you don't even wait 20 days to fire someone when the buyout drops from 15 million to ONLY 7.5 million. That's 375,000 a day difference.

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That is definitely a staggering amount of money to eat for 3 weeks difference.

First thing, without the new TV deal I don't think there's any chance Nebraska pulls that trigger.

I do, though, think there is a psychological component to it in regards to the players. If you keep an obviously lame duck coach around an extra 3 weeks just to save money, it's got to leave an impression that saving money is more important than winning. Essentially, the school's bottom line trumps the interest of the players. Particularly in the Transfer Portal era, I can see where that could be harmful to keeping key players in the Program.

I thought much the same about VT in 2021 and Fuente, when everybody and his brother knew he wasn't coming back, and the team just kind of stagnated and then we were left with essentially bits and pieces to put together for the Bowl Game after a mass exodus.

it's got to leave an impression that saving money is more important than winning

Honestly, that's a really good lesson.

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Don't necessarily disagree, but in the days of six-figure NIL deals for 17 year-olds, football staffs the size of small armies, and facilities to rival Luxury resorts, if you're not keeping up, then you're just falling further behind.

Bama, Ohio State, TxA&M, ect, ect are all going to keep pushing the envelope and that has been a successful approach for them.

Is that same approach wise or even practical for VT and similar Programs? eh....maybe not. As a fan and alumni, do I want to see VT compromise other University priorities to go all-in on Football? No, not really.

But Nebraska envisions itself as a Program that belongs in the same category as the "Elites." I think the perception that they are trying to save money by keeping a Lame Duck could be damaging to that.

It will be interesting to see in a few years if recruiting had changed with the NIL. I think the transfer portal is a bigger issue than 17 year old getting a couple hundred thousand dollars. Bama, OSU, Texas, A&M, OU, UGA, UF, USC have been getting to top recruits for decades. When is the last time VT won a recruiting battle for a blue chip recruit with one of those schools (I can only think of Doug Nestor). VT has had five 5* recruits all time, most of those programs can pull than in a single year (not every year, buy most have big years recruiting). I don't think the NIL will change recruiting like people think becuase the players were going to the schools with booster money anyways.

Now what happens when we get a Darren Evans type at VT, he breaks out and needs money for his family? Now some other program can come in and offer him a great deal to play for them and he can stay in college another year to improve draft stock. That's what really sucks for the fans. Great for the guys in Darren's situation though.

Now what happens when we get a Darren Evans type at VT, he breaks out and needs money for his family? Now some other program can come in and offer him a great deal to play for them and he can stay in college another year to improve draft stock.

this is where the damage to what is college football will come in. It will hamper the middle range of teams that are capable of having a great year or two every now and again.

I agree that it won't change where top recruits go b/c the guys who were going to go to Bama were going to go there regardless of any NIL deal. that just helps secure it and maybe increases the fighting between the blue bloods. It's more of a can Bama get said 5* or will OSU get him. It won't be can VT get the 5* or will the NIL at a blue blood lure him away. He already wasn't coming to VT unless it's just been a dream school of his growing up or family ties or something.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

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I agree that it won't change where top recruits go b/c the guys who were going to go to Bama were going to go there regardless of any NIL deal.

But you also have kids in these programs jumping into the portal and going where they get to play - one example being JT Daniels leaving UGA for West Virginia. Georgia and Bama lost a number of kids to the portal. It's a challenge for the big programs too.

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Well JT did start out at USC til he got beat out there, then transferred as you stated. He was one that was going to go for PT as you also said. Good Georgians think alike.

And now we get to see him in a new way on Thursday. Hope he likes the sound of Enter Sandman turned up to 11.

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The lavish over-the-top buyouts are dumb, but maybe players see it differently. But, I'm guessing most college-age football players are indifferent to the buyouts as it does not directly relate to them or any compensation they could receive from NIL.

And Jimbo's buyout at TA&M is something like $90M, so I don't think they'll ever fire Jimbo even if he loses every game this year. One of the worst contracts of all sports all time, but I digress.

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Yeah, but who coaches out the rest of the year? Does keeping one of the coordinators around solve the (immediate) problem? Do they have an out of work HC in mind they could bring on right away?

Yea! What happened to the other thread...the first one to come out with the breaking news?!?!?! There's a conspiracy afoot...

i refreshed just to make sure i didn't double post and then posted. the tweet was <5 min old when i did, didn't ever see another thread. maybe a different mod could chime in on this

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I deleted the other one. Yours was first by a minute or two, but had an actual embedded tweet and had garnered more comments that were more diverse in nature. The other thread had basically one thread/subthread talking about the same thing. Rather than leave two active coaching carousel threads, I left the one that I thought had more value to the community.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Oh dangit, I thought mine was first. I submit to the faster poster.

I get it. It's a lot of turmoil for the players. You have a decent roster, an established OC, and an interim with ties to the school who you may want to give a shot.

Personally, I think they swing a big. Matt Campbell, Mark Stoops, someone like that.

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campbell would make sense -- they should absolutely go shopping in the "Semi Power 3" for a coach instead of looking for G5 (obv FIckell is a good hire but i don't think he'd go). Hard for me to see anyone from SEC going there -- esp Stoops who has a great gig. He can top out at 9 wins and they'll be happy with him bc basketball is king at UK

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They are playing the long game. It's smart. Alberts just told the world that we are a football school and won't settle for losing to Ga Southern. Period. That will resonate with fans and recruits for years to come. Whit should have fired Fu after the ODU debacle- the next day. Yeah, the rest of the year might suck and you might lose a few recruits, but the message is much more important. Alberts will not tolerate losing to Ga Southern- period. Does not care about the buyout. That is what football schools do.

That is what football schools do

The list of schools than just write off 7.5 million instead of waiting 20 days isn't that long. Not even the entire Big Ten nor SEC can do that.

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So were we supposed to fire Pry after last week?

Every situation is different. If Frost had Fuente's resume leading up to the Georgia Southern loss, he'd still be there. The dude had 15 wins over his first 4 seasons, let's not act like they cut ties at the first sign of trouble and sent a message.

Edit: To clarify, I'm referring to Fuente's resume pre-ODU.

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Ah yes the long game of showing just how serious you are by allowing Frost to coach two games this season. That's a brilliant strategy by Nebraska. Nebraska, where football matters except when we hire coaches that have terrible records like Bill Callahan who has as many winning seasons as losing seasons in CFB, or Mike Riley that has 1 more winning season that he does losing seasons, or Scott Frost that only has had 1 winning season in his career.

When they fired Solich it was for football reasons, and lots of people understood, but you don't fire Solich for Bill Callahan. When they fired Pelini everyone understood why, but you don't fire him for Mike Riley.

What Nebraska did today was just another step in their long list of how not to running a football program. They are just admitting they don't know what they are doing and most likely will make another bad hire.

Que Fuente to Nebraska.

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I'm really shocked they fired him before the buyout dropped. It wasn't that much longer and losing more games isnt going to hurt them more than they are already hurting at this point.

Edit: what Fireman said

Nebraska seems like a great place for Urban Meyer to take over and sink the program even further than it already is!

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Urban, for all his damning characteristics, is as good of a college coach as there has ever been. If he went to Nebraska, you best believe they wouldn't be the absolute train wreck they've been for the last 10-15yrs. Not saying he'd take them to the top by any means, because *damn* but they'd see a division title in his time.

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Correct- in a sort amount of time he would have a bunch of 5 star players on that team and they would be blowing out all teams not named michigan or ohio state. Quickly.

Not sure if Urban will be better or not in the NIL universe. He was really good at getting the illegal benefits to his players when hiding them. Now when it is all open and upfront that could affect his game.

I had wanted to post what the over-under was for Frost lasting the year. Did not think the trigger would get pulled this fast.

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Scoot Froost him right out the door

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

how much did frott scost?

15 million dollars

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Come on, Huskers. It's just too perfect.

I'm just stunned at that gif. WTF is that?

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Its one of the Children of the Corn all grown up.

It looks like it would be something out of a live action adaptation of a cartoon that aired as a made-for-TV movie on FOX in the mid '90s.

I am honestly sad for Frost. Imagine if you fail at your dream job.

I been here since day 0.

This is why I'll never accept my dream job, failure, or just hating it would suck a lot

I mean, if I got laid 15 million to get fired from my dream job of doing nothing I'd be pretty alright

I mean, if I got laid 15 million

And now he can't fix it after this response.

I mean, if I got laid 15 million to get fired from my dream job of doing nothing I'd be pretty alright

FTFY

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

But at least he got to have his dream job and make a LOT of money failing at it! Most people don't ever get their dream job.

I'll take a cool 13 mill to be told I suck at my job I should just retire

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Sure. Please send payments to my Venmo for each additional upvote. I'll see that it gets sorted out.

that's only enough to cover my Beard. that'll be another $15,000,000 for the rest of me

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Wait. So the Beard has a beard?

not a beard.

A Beard.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

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The Beard has a Beard. Or is it The Beard has The Beard? We need a meme to answer this I think.

I can't resonate with anyone feeling really bad/sad for Frost. Yea it would suck to fail at your dream job, but to be paid 15 million to be fired? Sign me up! Anyone with a brain would take 15 million to get the can... People get fired all the time. Does it suck? Yes... but such is life. A lot of people (if not majority) get fired or let go from jobs they enjoy for multitude of reasons, and only get a couple months worth of pay. Some reasons being out of their control. But do I feel sorry for him. lol no. He probably went out to the nicest steak restaurant with his family that night, and planning a month's long vacation. Scott Frost will be just fine. He'll find a new gig next year most likely, even if it's a coordinator position or a smaller school coaching job.

Is money everything? No. Does it buy happiness? Not always (but I could argue it's a whole lot closer to yes than no)... Does it make life much more easier and enjoyable? Fuck yes.

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Yep- his main job is to win football games. When you blow 2 14 point leads to northwestern and lose to Ga Southern, you get fired. he was well below .500 at a football school. If he doesn't win his division this year, Jimbo fisher is going to be fired too- and he wins .700% of his games. Thats life

How much is Jimbo's buyout? Not saying TAMU boosters wouldn't pony up. But didn't he sign a ~$100mm contract?

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He was extended in 2021, $9m/year for 4 years, 100% guaranteed. So $27m buy out?

I don't think you fire him now, just because that class of 22 recruiting class is soooo damn good. If he gets 8ish wins this season, and 10ish wins next season, he's fine.

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That was a tack-on to his existing contract, and his buyout is for the entirety of the contract, so I think it would be a little less than $90mil now, unless he has an automatic re-up.

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buyout is for the entirety of the contract

Pretty sure it's the remainder of the contract; TAMU is not going to fire him, then pay him a second time for coaching the 2019 season.

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Right, the entirety of the remainder of the contract, so the 4-year extension in 2021 put it at $95 mil for the next ten years, so now he's at $95m minus whatever he's been paid since then.

So, still a shit ton of money.

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*checks calculator* Yes, I believe that's right

Universal truths:
Alive is better than dead.
Winning is better than losing.
Rich is better than poor.

Wait, what?

100%

I've never understood people who strongly believe money doesn't buy happiness... Do you need a car to get to work? no but it sure does help. Do you need running shoes to complete a marathon? No but it sure does help. Do you need a bed to fall asleep? No but it sure does help.

I can keep going, but as you said... better to be rich than poor.

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I think it's more so that once you meet a minimum threshold for quality of life, there is diminishing return on "happiness" as money scales. There are plenty of miserable rich people... mo money mo problems

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eh

Money doesn't buy happiness. It buys things. I'm never going to try telling anyone that "better to be rich than poor" is wrong, or false or anything. But it's not because money buys happiness. I've seen people with next to nothing who are much happier than folks who have way, way more than they need. I've also seen miserable poor people and happy rich people. Money has 0 impact on happiness, either way.

The point of "money doesn't buy happiness" isn't that "money isn't good" but rather "happiness isn't bought"

Onward and upward

You may well be right but I have to laugh when rich people tell us plebs that money doesn't buy happiness. How about you give me all your money then and let me find out for myself?

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Money doesn't buy happiness, but it does remove some of the reasons for being miserable. While also likely adding others.

As the great Kanye West says "Having money ain't everything, not having it is"

Once you get past the basics and the nice to haves, Money brings you margin for error. It does not bring you fulfillment. But having a greater margin for error means it's easier to roll with the punches.

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this is fair

Money is absolutely a useful tool and in the right hands it can go a long, long way. In the wrong hands, it can lead to a lot of pain. The relationship between money and happiness is not correlated. At. All.

But having money, especially in our society, is a big security blanket. Our culture and economy put so much emphasis on money that people believe they need to have lots of money to be happy (or, at least, to buy things to make themselves happy). And our economy is driven by people buying things (mostly, things they don't need) so ads are cleverly designed to influence people into buying things that will "make them happier" and, thus, people believe they need money to buy the things that the ads tell them they need to be happy. So, of course people who have no money think that money is everything. Because, to them, it's the only way to get the things they've been told will make them happy.

We're led to believe that everything revolves around money (and, I suppose, there may be some truth to that). But money does absolutely nothing for your actual happiness. Whether you have a bunch of it or none of it has no real bearing on whether you're happy or not. There's happy poor people and happy rich people. There's miserable poor people and miserable rich people.

Onward and upward

I think we're too focused on material happiness. The one thing money can buy is freedom. Financial security is one of the best things you could have. Rich people don't have to work a normal 8-5 their entire lives just to be able to have enough money to make ends meet with in retirement. Money gives you the opportunity to decide what to do with your life without anyone telling you what to do or how to do it. That absolutely equates to happiness.

This - Money means that when you make an honest mistake and get speeding ticket, instead of spending 5 hours showing up to court and hoping that the cop doesn't show up, you can just pay your $200 fine and be done with it. It means that when your car breaks down, you can afford to fix/replace it instead of driving it around for a month hoping it doesn't die. It means that when you're exhausted after a weekend of taking your kids to 15 different little league games, you can pick up dinner instead of spending an hour or 2 cooking. It means if your employer does something that doesn't jive with you, you can leave them behind instead of being forced to put up with it.

I could go on and on, but I completely agree with you.

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Imagine if William Wallace had money back in the day.... we would have never been able to enjoy the movie Braveheart.

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Some forget that the saying is NOT that "MONEY is the root of all evil"; it's "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil".

Also "happiness" is a temporary state of affairs. "joy" is an attitude and eternal. To me having money gives one the opportunity to help more other people in less fortunate circumstances. I could have far more wealth than I do, but choose to help family, friends, and even some strangers in need. Being able to do that makes me wealthy in way more meaningful sense than money.

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Late to this comment however I cannot leg this enough.

You my friend imo have figured out what most will never figure out.

To be the man you gotta beat the man!

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He has a pretty reliable source.

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Actually, it's the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil (though I acknowledge some translations may be what you wrote). That is, there is evil rooted in things not money. Otherwise, I agree with your post which was very well stated.

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As my grandmother used to say in broken English "money not everything". As my grandfather used to say in reply... "no money no funny"

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A college kid wrote home to his dad "no mon, no fun, your son." His dad replied "too bad, so sad, your dad."

I prefer Anthony Jeselnik's story about his grandma and him needing money.

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While it may be better to be rich than poor, the less fortunate (financially) have a mixed blessing in believing that money will solve all of their problems. They say the wealthy have to worry about everything except money.

Winning beats losing
Losing beats getting stomped
Getting stomped still beats not playing

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Syllable pattern is wrong
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The moderator is right,
It's not even worth trying to fight.
But while your haiku
Will simply not do,
My limerick is pretty dang tight.

It wasn't a haiku.

It was the "Rules of Competition" that was given out during academic team competitions in college.

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Man this haiku is even worse lol

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LOL!

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Winning beats losing
Losing beats getting stomped
Getting stomped still beats not playing

I am not so sure
About the last statement you made
Still musing this one

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This. I think it's actually creating bad incentives. Not that I think Frost was trying to get fired, but when in the back of your mind you have a $15M parachute, how does one react? I don't know, but it's got to have at least some demotivational effect. How could it not?

Think about Jimbo Fisher. If he gets fired this year without cause, he get's $95M. Why on earth would he try to win another game? You can't be negligent and derelict, but why not do barely enough to perform your job, get fired, and live in a mansion in Miami for the rest of your life? Or, why even stress whether you coach another game in your life? I'm sure he loves the game and coaching, but I imagine he can find something else to love for $95M.

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That is a very interesting and smart point you make. Some people will say for the love of the game or one's self pride, but no way someone's pride or love for the game would turn down that kind of money to keep "working"

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No joke! I'd like to think I would handle it like Coach O did!

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

He knew they were crazy when they hired him. Glad he has a sense of humor.

But seriously, even in my 40's I could retire off that amount.

even in your 40s?

what are you spending every year where you couldn't retire on that in your 20s?

Happiness?

premiums and co-pays

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Preach. Someone gives me $17m to fire me, I'd never work another day in my life (aside from in the brewery that I would open)

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Roadside bbq stand here

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Time to open a bookstore with a liquor license

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I'm also fond of "Last of the Mojitos" and "Ale of Two Cities"

One Fish
Two Fish
Drink Like
A Fish

I HAVE THAT RECIPE BOOK

I happen to like Rye and Prejudice, Love in the time of Kahlua, Remembrance of Things Pabst, The Lime of the Ancient Mariner, and A Rum of One's Own

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With a windfall like this, I'd go with either (1) ice cream or frozen custard stand or (2) one of those little push cart grill things for street vendors as my semi-retired/keep from being bored job.

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I'd eat all the inventory and go broke.

Mack Brown ain't careful he'll get fired after going 3-0

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Has to be tough to fire a QB who won you a natty. From my life experience it's never good to double back though. Usually when you exit a room and come back you hear people talking about you or eat a fart lol.

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Wonder if Nebraska will make a move for Fuente or Urban to "finish" out the year as an interim coach.

Nebraska can be Iowa. No reason they can't. Win 8-10 games a year, be physical, tough, don't beat themselves. That clown Callaghan messed them up for decades. Pelinni wasn't terrible, but they lost their identity years ago. They need to get a tough nosed coach in there- not a nuheisel or fuente type

Let's be honest, there is probably a minority there that would love Pelinni back. He always had at least 9 wins.

Every job opening I see I have yet to even see Fuente's name on any of the lists which should tell you where his stock is at the moment.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Not just that, but you can't even find his name in a Google news search. The guy has vanished off the football world.

To be fair, if you just scammed an entity out of millions of dollars, you'd lay low for awhile too.

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I actually think Fuente can be a decent head coach. He was in over his head here at VT. I think he underestimated what was needed to sustain success and engage the fan base. He'll need a specific situation, more of a backbone (he can't keep dead weight around on the staff) and someone on staff who knows how to manage a roster. , but I think he could succeed somewhere.

I don't hate the guy, I just think he was a failure here in Blacksburg.

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He needs to be an NFL assistant. He's not a people person. In the NFL is all "ball" and he can try to draw up plays etc. He's a football guy, not a people guy. The days of woody hayes, joepa, and Bo Schembeckler are over in college football. the head guy has to be a salesman/CEO. Could he win games in the G5 as a head coach? sure

I honestly think Fuente's next job will be as an OC.

Agree and I think Coordinator is his ceiling at the P5 level.

He did a terrible job at fan and media engagement during his entire tenure here. His lack of success in Recruiting was only eclipsed by his inability to retain players in the Program which was staggering (and mostly pre-NIL). You have to be able to have a persona that people can identify with to be successful at this level.

Beyond that, I really question his aptitude at Talent Evaluation. The Roanoke Times had a interesting story after his firing about how he slow-played Greg Dorch (who is now in the NFL on a 53 man). He told him he "recruited differently"..it was laughable.
Fuente's "best" WR recruit couldn't make it past OTAs on an NFL Roster.

That's just what I can come up with off the top of my head.

This Program was so broken under Fuente, I just cannot imagine how he could make it work as the HC at another P5.

Not starting an argument bc Dortch was all-conference and good player and obviously talented -- but he was undrafted, bounced around 4 practice squads for 3 years and probably still would be if the cardinals didn't have injury/suspensions at the top of their wr depth chart. obv you can't plan for that and can only take the opportunities you're given, but career trajectory is razor thin margins from being similar to Tre's and his major differentiator in continuing to hang around practice squads is likely his abilities as a PR, not as a WR.

but either way, woof boy in looking back at Fu's WR crootin

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The best example is Malik Willis. Fu said he couldn't play QB, and he was drafted as a QB in the 3rd round of the draft.

I'm surprised he's not at the Alabama School for Wayward Coaches already

this.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Anybody wanna speculate on Marcus Freeman? Yikes! If this guy doesn't get it together fast at ND, he will be toast. Remember when he was on our long list?

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This year could be rough, but if ND let's him stick around for a couple years he'll probably be fine. It's become apparent that Kelly bounced at the right time with not a lot going for them on offense. And Freeman is out recruiting what Kelly was doing at ND.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

They had to know they were committing to Freeman for the long haul when they hired someone regarded as a rising star. Gotta give him some time to grow in to it.

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As someone who spent a decade living near South Bend, I'm not convinced the fans there have the patience for anything short of some mystical half Jesus, half Nick Saban, half Lou Holtz super coach.

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Oh you mean this:

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Sounds like a Super Shredder to me

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Wow. That is some serious delusion. I saw something similar a few years back where an ND writer made this huge fan fiction piece on Urban Meyer getting hired by ND instead of Florida and Tebow leading them all the way. It was stunningly ridiculous.

To be fair we did have an empty trophy case for years that was reserved for a National Title Trophy. We got raked over the coals by other fan bases for that. We of course thought it was not and would be filled sometime in the 2000's what with our O&M glasses and all.

Homerism aside, that was a very attainable goal for a while for the program. I think for several years we were within grasp of a natty and it served as motivation for the program. We were like that blue collar school that built from the ground up and took the nation by surprise, and ESPN loved our story. I agree though it got pretty lame after it became clear our standards had fallen to non-title level and the program stagnated. But writing fan fiction about wins that never happen and quotes that were never made, that's next level.

No. 2 Texas, No. 3 USC, No. 4 Florida

This is all I needed to read to know they were living in the past

You know, I've been staring at this thing for a while and every insane sentence in it, but I can't get over how, even in their wildest fantasy, they were still on the outside-looking-in of a four-team playoff.

Cue the "you're not the manager even in your own fantasy" scene from The Office...

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If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Bronco will unretire. Strong #sauces

Nebraska makes way too much sense, but keep an ear out for his name.

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Nebraska should really go after Matt Campbell from Iowa St. The guy knows how to get some talent (not a ton) to an underfunded place like Ames and develop. They need a guy who can do more with less especially given their disadvantages compared to where Nebraska wants to be.

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Bronco to Nebraska makes zero sense to me. Nebraska can pay $8m+/year. It's not an 'easy' job like LSU/OSU/Bama, etc, but they have 25 blue chip players on roster. They have a rabid fanbase, a supportive athletic director, and all the infrastructure in place to compete in the top 20. Why would they settle for Bronco?

  • If you want to go the 'coach em up' route you go for Matt Campbell
  • If you want to embrace Nebraska's history and go for a modern take on the triple option, you go for Chadwell
  • If you want to go for the biggest name possible, you beg Chris Peterson to come out of retirement (0.001% chance that happens, but that's the best possible option outcome)
  • If you want a proven program builder, you go for Mark Stoops, Dave Clawson, or Dave Dorien (I think the latter would be a tad disappointing, but still better than Bronco)

Hell, I'd take Fuente over Bronco.

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I would not take Fuente over bronco. Thought bronco was actually doing a good job with the shit he has and has to deal with at UVA. Thought Fuente did less with more tbh

Bronco is weird af and completely unorthodox. But he got more mileage out of UVA than anyone else could have realistically.

Unorthodox? You're telling me this isn't a typical conditioning drill in football?

If you feel the leather in your hand let it rip.

Words fail me..and I'm a pretty decent writer!!

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

The difference is the kids probably had fun during that drill. They probably didn't do it regularly and breaking up a set of normal drills with an event isn't a bad idea.

Hell, I'd take Fuente over Bronco.

Not in any situation IMO.

Bronco got a whole lot out of a whole lot less than did Fuente. Beyond that he started from day 1 building culture, something Fuente failed to do his entire tenure, and actually built said culture. Additionally, he didn't have near the problems managing a roster like Fuente did. He's better in every single way with recruiting being a wash since Bronco actually went after kids to fit that unique scheme despite their low * rankings.

EDIT: Well, he couldn't beat Fuente regularly, so I guess he isn't better in that way. However that's more a LOLUVA thing than a Bronco thing one could argue.

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If you want to embrace Nebraska's history and go for a modern take on the triple option, you go for Chadwell

For Nebraska, if not Chadwell then someone in that mold who is going to run Power I/Triple Option/RPO. Nebraska is perfect for it and needs to run something unique to be competitive. Running the same stuff as Ohio St and Bama and expecting to compete is unrealistic. The deterioration of that program coincided with the move away from Triple Option.

Nebraska is perfect for it and needs to run something unique to be competitive. Running the same stuff as Ohio St and Bama and expecting to compete is unrealistic.

I don't really agree with this take. Nebraska didn't fall off because they stopped running the triple; it was because (1) strength training became common everywhere, whereas for almost two decades they had the premiere strength program in the nation, and (2) their famed walk on program was destroyed by the nationalization of recruiting (similar to VT).

However, if Nebraska is willing to spend like Bama and OSU (I believe they can), and hire a quality coach, I see no reason why they need to 'out scheme' everyone. They can get 5-stars to Nebraska. They can afford to pay an analyst army. They just need to make the right hire.

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You forgot bad coaching hires in which 3 out of the last 4 head coaches were previously head coaches and those three had as many winning seasons as they did losing seasons prior to the Nebraska job.

Nebraska ran the only decent coach they have had in the last 20 years out for only winning 9 games a year. They deserve what has been happening.

Same thing to GT. Chan Gailey never had a losing season at GT. They went to a Bowl every year. Chinballs won bigger but also lost more.

I've always said I understand why they fired Solich, but I don't understand why you fire Solich for Bill Callahan. I understand why they fire Pelini, but I don't understand why you fire him for Mike Riley.

If you're talking about Pelini - he was very 'Seth Greenburg' in the sense that he was a dick to everyone in the athletic department, as well as fans (unlike Greenburg). There's a reason why he wasn't able to get an FBS HC job after getting fired.

Regarding GT... PJ was falling off - his last three years were almost identical to Fuente's last 3. He refused to put any effort into recruiting. He had to go. I don't pretend to know much about the Chan Gailey era, but looking at sports reference I see that he had one season in 6 years with more than 7 wins. Before him, George O'Leary went 4 straight seasons with 8+ wins, so I get why fans would be done with Gailey after 6 years.

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I almost completely forgot about George O'Leary. I recall the scandal when he left for ND, apparently lied on his resume, and lost the job before he ever coached a down there IIRC.

Horrible fit from the start.

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I guess he didn't play to win the game.

We all made fun of it when it happened, but during the second year of Herm's tenure, it looked like we were all wrong. If he didn't (a) break the covid recruiting rules and (b) throw all of his assistants under the bus, he'd probably be getting 8 wins or better per month.

That said, initial reports suggest ASU is going to upgrade big time.

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IMO Herm was a damn interesting experiment that unfortunately went off the rails more than stayed on track. I'm very curious what direction they go with their next HC.

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I wonder who ASU can get with the NCAA still investigating on the recruiting practices.

Fuente.

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Color me shocked. /s

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Nebraska keeps it going and fires DC Erik Chinander. I wonder what the o/u is on how many of the coaches originally on the 2022 staff survive the season.

Looking back this guy is to Frost as Corn was to Fu. A guy he brought on that wasn't getting it done, but he refused to let go of.

Having your best man as a bad coordinator you don't let go of will get after you

Herm Edwards out at Arizona State, RB coach Shaun Aguano takes over as interim hc

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

"Aguano - collect the whole set!"

Collins out at GT, AD also likely to be let go.

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Just saw that. Wonder who they bring in.

I gotta say, transitioning from the triple option was never going to be easy.. They should've come out of pocket the first time and made a splash hire.

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For our sake, please no. If he can make it work at Jackson, imagine what he could do in downtown Atlanta?

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Unfortunately for Collins, his best players kept hitting the portal. Sounds familiar, no? Recruiting wasn't going anywhere. And results showed on the field.

Hell, Hawaii lost half their roster to the portal last year. They are the worst team in CFB.

Ain't no way anyone can win when no one's there to play.

Coaches need to take care of the players that get on campus. The transfer portal is holding coaches accountable to their recruiting pitch.

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That's a major point. It will be even harder for new hires to gain traction for their program unless they have a net positive each year in the portal. Pry made a point about this when he was hired. He at least knows he has to be successful there. But if the best players leave each year and the incoming talent are 3-star rehashes, VT is going to fall into GT mediocrity trying to recover from Fuente's mishandling of the roster.

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VT is going to fall into GT mediocrity

Think we are already there my guy...hate to say it.

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GT level's of mediocrity is well below VT's at the moment. I know GT has had more difficult football schedules over the past 3 years, but they have won 3 games each season. VT may only get 3 or 4 wins this year, but whether or not they improve the next two years will define whether they're at GT's level of mediocrity.

And they will fall to GT's level if they lose players like Smith, Thomas, and King in the portal. The defense will have a lot of graduates and the loss of anyone on that side of the ball will also be dire. VT can get much much worse.

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I see what you're saying, I just think we're basically already there. Things can always get worse, but I don't really categorize mediocrity or poorness, you're either good or you're not and right now, we aren't.

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At a team level, yes. At a program level, no. VT is investing in football, improving infrastructure. GT is pretending the arms race does not exist.

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I think we're also mediocre from a program standpoint, as much as it hurts. We can acknowledge the arms race and make changes, but we're still way behind the 8 ball. We were dipping to mediocrity in the last Beamer years, Fu nose dived us even further.

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We're no where near GT bad though - there's a reason they're ousting their coach AND AD at the same time. And it's not because of just one hire.

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