Virginia Tech Wasn't Ready

The people in charge have mangled the response to COVID-19, and have left Justin Fuente to come up with answers.

Virginia Tech wanted to have its cake.

Without a doubt in their minds (or at least in their press releases) one of the biggest schools in the Commonwealth brought as many students back to Blacksburg as possible. In a pandemic. In a town without the capacity to adequately treat over 34,000 new faces.

How could it possibly go wrong. It's a statement so rhetorical, it's punctuated with a period because it's not a question. The answer is obvious — college students aren't adults in anything other than the legal sense. They're not particularly responsible, they feel invincible and most of their day revolves around the best time to start drinking.

This is not a piece preparing to slander college kids, because we already know who they are. They're people whose entire social schedule is already based on breaking the rules. Whether that's purchasing alcohol while under 21, providing said booze to someone else who's underage or just simply being out a little too late and getting into something they probably shouldn't. It's a tale as old as TOTS.

So when these 20-year-old "adults" marched into Blacksburg and doubled its population, things went wrong immediately (a result predicted by just about everyone except those in charge.) While the university clings to their flimsy on-campus numbers, a tidal wave of off campus COVID cases decimates the surrounding area.

This was just seven days after arrival, an anecdotal point to score a larger issue: Tim Sands and his merry band of decision makers helped unleash an absolute mess on their community.

But Virginia Tech didn't just want to have its cake. They wanted to eat it, too.

So when the football team came back to town to begin preparation for an unprecedented conference-plus-one schedule, the message was clear. Though fans may not be in the stands, Hokie football would press along just like their counterparts across the ACC. And while the idea of playing a contact sport in the midst of pandemic primarily spread by close proximity to the infected seems risky (to say the least), the Hokies looked like they were managing risk. The squad practiced, announced its quarterback and published a number of hype videos featuring clips from the closed door sessions. They went through a relatively normal pre-season process, until the student athletes had to interact with the student body at-large.

The rumors started to leak out of the facility the moment the student body descended into Southwest Virginia. When NC State had to postpone their opener against Tech, Justin Fuente breathed a candid sigh of relief. When word of a Commonwealth Clash postponement began circulating before the season ever kicked off, fans were taken aback. But it brought attention to something Fuente had been trying to tell anyone who would listen — there's a COVID problem at Virginia Tech.

It seems pretty clear what the issue is. In a community overwhelmed by virus numbers, it's borderline impossible to go about your day-to-day without risking exposure to someone who's tested positive. Sure, maybe the players could order Chipotle delivery and lock down their social schedules for safety — here's to hoping they're already doing both — but they can't control how their fellow students live. They can't control who comes in the athletic facilities, and they sure as hell can't build their own academic bubble.

Anyone who blames the UVA postponement on Tech's players "lacking the commitment to play football" is either an idiot or an idiot who happens to root/coach/play for a rival team with an inferiority complex. There are people to blame for this situation, but it's certainly not the athletes risking their lives to make sure their athletic department remains financially viable.

And though he may not be to blame, one man has been left to bear the brunt of the mess.

Like many people around the world, Justin Fuente's plans were dramatically altered by COVID-19. In a tenure mostly defined by what has gone wrong, things seemed to finally take a turn for the better heading into this season. His squad ranked sixth in returning production, had stability at quarterback and finally seemed to be past the turbulence of transfer portals and obscenely young starters.

Combine his experienced group with a very manageable schedule — Liberty, Middle Tennessee State and North Alabama in the non-conference, avoiding both Clemson and Florida State from the Atlantic — and everything was set up perfectly. Tech could have a nice 11-3 bounce-back campaign and prove to both fans and recruits that the Hokies are back.

But now, his path to success has become significantly more difficult. Not only does Clemson, NC State and Wake Forest replace MTSU, North Alabama and a rebuilding Georgia Tech, but Fuente has to worry about having enough players to put a healthy, non-quarantined team on the field every week.

There seems to be a theme of cruel irony throughout the head Hokie's tenure. His most talented group (the 2017 squad, with Bud Foster's last great defense and enough of an offense to make a difference) was derailed by the unexpected departure of Jerod Evans. He recruited some of the best classes in recent memory (go look at the signees from 17-19) yet had to play many of them as underclassmen and carried the consequences. Now, at the end of what seemed to be the longest two years in modern program history, Fuente isn't sprinting towards ACC Coastal contention, but rather to a podium answering for decisions above his pay grade.

This is not a place to absolve his sins or relitigate his mistakes (of which there have been many), but instead recognize the impossible situation he's currently in. Justin Fuente does not control what the ACC requires in terms of COVID-19 testing or contract tracing, nor can he make them pony up the money for daily rapid testing like the Big Ten. Yet he does have to be the bearer of bad news when his squad can't field enough people to hold practice.

He can't control that they don't have a football-only facility like Clemson and Florida State, and he doesn't have a say in how the athletic department interprets FERPA. Yet he's the one who gets bashed for the lack of COVID-related transparency throughout the program. He can't form his own bubble by sending the regular student body home, like UNC did over a month ago. But he will have to answer to fans when a much more seasoned Tar Heels team (theoretically) hosts the Hokies in early October.

In just a few weeks we've seen why Fuente is paid nearly four million dollars, and why he almost left to take the Baylor job. It's his duty to step to the microphone and sometimes tell fans what they don't want to hear. But a near lack of institutional support has hung him out to dry.

Will the Hokies play football?

In the wake of Virginia Tech's, the university's, flawed return to campus, that million dollar question remains. But it's not clear anyone in Blacksburg has a definitive answer.

But with so many other people calling the shots, Fuente shouldn't be held accountable for it.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I don't think we know nearly enough about internal protocols to support that final sentence.

Let's let it play out. If Fuente has 4 coaches who just tested positive and all of the player groups from those four coaches now need to enter quarantine, then the light of criticism most certainly swings back towards the coaching staff. We don't know, for instance, if we have installed systems that keep 15-min caps on any group meetings to game the contact-tracing system.

We know almost nothing about how the program is battling COVID. What we do know is that the coaches are wearing face shields without masks. We know we had "not even close" to enough players to play a game this week.

We may be doing everything we possibly can as a football program. Or maybe Bronco was right because he knows what he's doing and he talked to Fuente. So when Bronco says we aren't doing enough, he knows a lot better than any of us.

It's a bad circumstance. The University hasn't handled it well. The ACC hasn't handled it well. But we don't know enough to say if Justin Fuente handled it well. Maybe us not knowing is by design.

Yeah, with there being so much we don't know, I think the leap from " there's not enough information to condemn him" to "just enough information to absolve him" is just a bit too far for me.

Do I think the university has made some absolutely bonkers and head scratching decisions? Yes. Is Justin Fuente solely reponsible? No. Does that mean he doesn't bear any responsibility? No.

I'd like to think that I can believe in good faith that our program is on top of everything. But it's difficult to give that benefit of the doubt after four years of trying to give the benefit of the doubt.

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Fuente said Tech football had COVID under control before the student population returned.

"We have been really good all summer long, we were knocking it out of the park," Fuente said. "Our circumstances changed dramatically a couple of weeks ago."

Some people will believe that, others won't. It's up to you, but I don't see a reason not to take him at his word here.

If Fuente has 4 coaches who just tested positive and all of the player groups from those four coaches now need to enter quarantine, then the light of criticism most certainly swings back towards the coaching staff.

1. Sure, #sauces, but let's assume that's accurate.
2. Why does the criticism swing back?

With an exponential growth virus that's highly contagious, the coaches could've done everything the "right way" and have still gotten it as the population and virus ballooned in Blacksburg and NRV.

Yes, they could've done everything "the right way" and still have gotten the virus.

Or they could have been lax about it from the start, worn useless face shields to set a poor example and caught the virus. That was my point. Before we let Fuente off the hook here, maybe we should actually know what the protocols are for the team. We don't know.

Let me ask you this: Do you know anyone who wears a face shield who demonstrates a significant concern about the virus? Or do people who wear face shields only care about complying loosely with best practices and don't really care or respect the virus?

Do we know a face shield is less effective? Every person I have seen wearing a face shield was actually taking additional precaution in an area where coverings wouldn't be required.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

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A face shield is primarily used for eye protection for the person wearing it. At this time, it is not known what level of protection a face shield provides to people nearby from the spray of respiratory droplets from the wearer. There is currently not enough evidence to support the effectiveness of face shields for source control. Therefore, CDC does not currently recommend use of face shields as a substitute for masks.

Alright folks, let's shut it down

I have responses, but will resist because this is the best path forward. Thank you. Please everyone else do the same.

Yes, it's an additional' precaution (with a mask).

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Not trying to add gasoline:
Face shields are highly effective for blocking rapid particles, such as spit, cough, etc.
They are not as effective as masks for protecting against aerosolized slow moving particles.
Max protect is face shield plus mask plus distance.
I have worn face shields only during clinic with no mask with patients that can't hear and have felt protected.

Not to get into the weeds..there is research to quote, but I'll defer.

IMHO, it is unrealistic to expect no Covid infections on a university campus, much less a football team.
People... It's a highly infectious virus. When people get together, there will be cases. Period.
It sucks, it's a pandemic.

I would agree with that. I am not stirring flames either. From the little info we have seen leaked out of camp, coaches were using the shields outside where the typical face covering would not be required but where that flying spittle from screaming could still be blocked.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Let me ask you this: Do you know anyone who wears a face shield who demonstrates a significant concern about the virus?

I don't think I have seen anyone wearing a face shield in real life. Then again, I don't really encounter many people whose job involves lots of yelling.

My boss got us face shields to wear with masks when we're face to face with clients. It can get really uncomfortably hot.

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So face shields = complete disregard for safety? That seems to be what you're saying. Having worn masks and attempted to talk to people while wearing them, I have distinctly noticed that it muffles what you're saying. Considering it's a coaches job to communicate to the team and tell them things, like how to improve, maybe it's a matter of the face shield doesn't muffle what you're saying, and instead, they stay at LEAST 6 feet away from people, possibly more?

good point about VT coaches not wearing masks.
bad point about "maybe Bronco was right because he knows what he's doing". Bronco is a complete buffoon so that statement is completely wrong.

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i'd like to hope that we're beyond blind homerism where "vt good uva bad" is the end of every conversation no matter how much we might want to believe it

it's too soon to tell whether UVA fb has done an equal, worse, or better job than VT fb at mitigating/containing this since they brought their students back to campus significantly later than we did

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Bronco outlining protocols

Of the UVA teams that compete in the fall, football was the first to return to Grounds. The players are staying in dormitories where strict safety measures are in place.

"There's one exit, one entry into the dorms," Mendenhall said. "Anything that's after hours, you have a checkpoint there monitoring anyone in and out. Players are masking and social distancing. They're staying with others that they'll be staying with later in the year when the rest of the students arrive, in terms of their off-Grounds housing, so those accommodations have already been made. There are no visitors to their rooms – family or friends or even other players – so once the players are in their rooms, there are no visitors. Common spaces are outside, and those, like picnic tables or chairs, are already spaced appropriately. They pick up all their meals from outside in the tent and take those back to their room."

"The individual and social choices and commitment of our players to each other is what will drive the success or failure of this initiative," said head football coach Bronco Mendenhall.

Before entering the McCue Center, each player has his temperature checked by an athletic trainer. If there's no problem with his temperature, the player is given a wristband with that day's color.

"You go through the protocol again the very next morning," Mendenhall said, "and you do that every day, as we continue. The players, they have no access to the locker room. They show up to the facility already dressed, they leave the facility and go back to their rooms and shower there. Laundry services are picking up their equipment at an outside drop-off to make sure that's not spreading any virus contaminants.

"It's a giant operation we have going. Our support has been amazing. We're adjusting as we go. It's taken a lot to this point, but I'm really encouraged by the people we have and the effort they're putting in."

The coaching staff is leaning heavily on the team's leadership to make sure players follow the protocols. Those leaders include senior linebacker Charles Snowden and senior wide receiver Terrell Jana, who are "exceptional in every way," Mendenhall said.

"With so much of our current protocol, including nightly check-ins, our players are checking in with leaders on our team, and it's amazing the accountability they're having, and they're being much more effective, I think, than if they were checking in with coaches," Mendenhall said. "This is going to be player-driven, because when we start on Wednesday, [the coaches] have the players two hours per day. There's 22 more hours that have to be managed.

"The individual and social choices and commitment of our players to each other is what will drive the success or failure of this initiative. This can't be managed into success. This is personal choice, based on commitment to team and empathy, maybe even more than science, will drive the outcome to this. ... And so Jana and Snowden are driving that and asking for that at the very highest level, and our team is responding. Those kinds of initiatives have the best chance to hold and galvanize. Sometimes coach-led isn't nearly as effective as player-led, and so I'm trying hard to empower the leadership of our team to galvanize this team, and for them to ask for player involvement, rather than it only coming from me."

What are Virginia Tech's protocols?

Most of those protocols were before the UVA student body came back. It will be interesting to see what their facilities look like in another 3 weeks.

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Bronco is a complete buffoon so that statement is, by definition, completely wrong.

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FTFY

Great article, Brian! I agree with you. Have there been any other positive tests or or contact tracing on the other fall sports teams like women's soccer?

I'm surprised Tech hasn't done what other schools are doing- get students back on campus so you can lock in that sweet sweet tuition money, and then send them home so you can get that sweet sweet football money.

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I don't see where that makes much difference. The problem is off-campus kids getting together, particularly with girls. I doubt the problem is the rare in-person classes. I doubt the problem are the freshmen football players living in dorms.

So sending the students home (to spread what they just caught to the rest of the region) doesn't really mitigate the risk that much for the football team.

Oh it doesn't make any difference for the pandemic. Schools are doing that for one thing and one thing only, money.

If you wanted to be serious about the pandemic, you wouldn't bring students back to campus in the first place. But of course then schools would lose tuition.

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I'm confused. You don't pay tuition if you take the classes online?

Why would you take online classes at a 10k a semester rate when you can take them at your local community college for half as much and transfer the credits?

Schools going online only would lose enrollment, I am certain of it.

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Generally, you are correct. The system I work in is seeing drops in first time freshmen. Graduate school seems to have been decimated (40% of their class asked to defer). There is an uptick for us in returning students as we haven't offered robust online courses before so this is a first. Junior and Senior students are typically in the worst spot as community colleges rarely offer the level courses they need. We were down 2% on our enrollment and it was viewed as a pretty big win.

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Why do people pay for private school when they could go for public a lot cheaper? Why do people go to Tech for their first two years when they could just go to NOVA their first two for pennies on the dollar? People just do, for a variety of reasons. I'm not convinced they will lose enrollment.

Edit: did some large percentage of the kids UNC sent home drop out or something, or is it pure speculation that people wouldn't want to pay for online classes?

No, what I'm saying is if you didn't start out with in-person classes and said you were going to be online only for the whole semester, some folks wouldn't enroll. Why bother? You wouldn't be going to the school.

And frankly I'm convinced this is exactly why UNC had in person classes. Once you send them home it's too late for folks to drop out and take classes somewhere cheaper.

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^^This.

The university needs to create the illusion of providing a real college experience and open for a few weeks. They they send everyone home and turn into an upscale University of Phoenix.

In case you weren't keeping score at home, literally every major college did this. OSU did it as well (confirmed by family attending there; made freshmen move in and canceled in-person classes the day before the semester starts with no refunds).

It's total horseshit and a money grab. But damn, wouldn't it have been smarter to just not have in person classes from the get go and have our athletes in a bubble? ACC basketball is going to do exactly this - where the hell is the outrage?

particularly with girls

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lol seriously, what is that even supposed to mean?

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It means there is only one person responsible for this type of COVID Spread.....

Okay I'm tracking now, he just meant the problem is with people getting together to hook up.

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It's an issue. These guys are going to hook up. And hooking up is going to spread the virus.

Everybody needs to go Nuke Lalosh and keep it zipped.

Not sure I agree with that level of extremism, but where I'll meet you halfway is they probably should be smart about who they partner with, and not make the rounds around town. Same advice for STDs really.

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there are female and male students though. there are also varying levels of sexuality. And you blamed one sex....

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Well, if he's referring to guys on the football team...

except context suggests its not.

Additionally, while this article and thread is tied into football, it takes an appropriate wide-lens view of the COVID problem in Blacksburg. The team isn't in a vacuum. Solitary relationships between a single player and single significant other aren't the problem. It's the rate of transmission and number of contacts of the general student body as a whole. Yet, women were specifically blamed as being a particular problem.

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At least we aren't all alone as a college town completely failing at COVID...

Virginia Tech wanted to have its cake.

But Virginia Tech didn't just want to have its cake. They wanted to eat it, too

I think I found our problem.

If you play it, they will win.

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Curious what is considered the Blacksburg Metro Area if the population is 183K.

LOL @ Giles and Floyd being considered part of a metropolitan area. As a geographer, I get it. As a Giles County native, I'm still laughing.

If you play it, they will win.

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I was wondering if I was going to be the first person to comment on that.

I guess it's a useful metric on a national level, but probably too broad when only talking about VT. Then again this is all pretty broad anyway. At this point blame falls partially on no one and partially on everyone. I haven't missed the discussion here.

Aren't "Blacksburg" and "metro area" kind of oxymoronic?

Not if you are from North Dakota. Met a couple there on one of my dogsled trips and said how much I liked the small town atmosphere of Blacksburg in college. Told them how big it was and the husband looks at me and says that would be the third (or maybe it was fourth) biggest city in the state where he lives.

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I get the relevance to football and appreciate the article, but their are quite a few Covid opinions in there. Seeing as we are not allowed to post opinions on Covid, seems counter-intuitive to include so many in an article.

I agree...impossible situation for Fuente. I agree...players should not be blamed, they too are in impossible situation.

But pretty damn ridiculous to write

This is not a piece preparing to slander college kids

and then proceed to slander and blame them. I have a lot more to say but cannot say it here; I never want to be seen wearing LOLUVA colors.

Wait, how did it blame the college kids?

Semantics...I guess it doesn't "blame" them directly. I mean college kids (definitely no adults) are just so irresponsible, so they can't be blamed for anything, right? Clearly labeled their behavior as the problem. Some would call that blame.

college students aren't adults in anything other than the legal sense. They're not particularly responsible, they feel invincible and most of their day revolves around the best time to start drinking

I wasn't trying to argue semantics, I had a different takeaway. I interpreted Brian's words as anyone with a pulse knew college kids would do college kid things, and they shouldn't be held accountable for that, but the decision makers knew better.

I get it. But it might not even be the partying and drinking doing most of the spreading. It could just be dorm and apartment living with shared bathrooms and dining halls. If every student wore a mask and socially distanced, they are still going to be sharing these spaces. If you replaced all the college students with a bunch of 40 year olds and put them in the same living situation, the numbers very well may be the same.

Edit: Let's be real...you send a bunch of 40 year-olds back to college and the numbers would be waaaaay worse! Imagine their behavior if they were back in college, haha.

+1 for you edit, that is ENTIRELY accurate

It might just be me but I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions. My kid goes in time out when he hits his sister. I agree there are people in positions that have totally dropped the ball. But total absolution of responsibility for college kid's actions just cause "college kids" doesn't seem fair either.

Name a scenario that isn't ridiculous where the kids come back to campus and don't spread the virus.

This is still slandering the students though.

because we already know who they are. They're people whose entire social schedule is already based on breaking the rules. Whether that's purchasing alcohol while under 21, providing said booze to someone else who's underage or just simply being out a little too late and getting into something they probably shouldn't. It's a tale as old as TOTS.

So when these 20-year-old "adults" marched into Blacksburg

It's literally character assassination. It's setting up a logical fallacy of "these are bad kids who have no regard for anything." There are absolutely some of those students, but there are absolutely students who do not do that. There are a lot of students who are back for classes. There are a lot of students who stayed home and are distance learning. I know we eventually get into it, but blame the administration heavily. They are putting students in this situation. They are the ones forcing a decision without adequate resources to address this. Don't demean the character of students.

Sure, maybe the players could order Chipotle delivery and lock down their social schedules for safety — here's to hoping they're already doing both — but they can't control how their fellow students live.

Players innocent, students bad. I get defending Brian but come on Joe.

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I guess? I dunno. I was pretty straightlaced in college: teetotaller, dean's list, smash bros party instead of frat party, etc. But I still snuck down into the steam tunnels. I still figured which classes I could skip. Tried to figure ways to scam the meal plan (one semester, I fed two off campus guys at cost so I could reload my flex and get closer to a 1:1 ratio between money paid and spending power). I don't think assuming college students think they're above the rules is a character assassination, but I guess everyone is entitled to his opinion.

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We can what-about-ism all day. This article nearly opens with a tweet of "look at how bad this is. These college kids."

It sets up a narrative of students are the problem. It accuses students caring for naught but drinking, that they all commit crimes, and are general ne'er-do-wells. It's just finger pointing and blaming where it doesn't need to happen.

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Not to mention it's littered with COVID opinions on a website we have specific instructions to not discuss COVID.

This article is about how the pandemic is directly affecting the Virginia Tech Football team. The same way a game cancellation because of COVID is directly affecting the football team.

It's opinionated on a topic we aren't allowed to discuss.

That's not exactly what I wrote. Brian's piece wasn't meant to litigate COVID-19, the virus, rather provide an opinion on the consequence of decisions virus-related decisions as they relate to Tech and its football program. That's that dicey intersection I mentioned in my meta post.

I honestly considered disabling comments for his column, because to your point it invites further discussion which may stray, but that's not the place I want TKP to be. Hopefully that decision was wise.

The article is very clearly not about the students being a problem, but the administration. He calls a spade a spade at the beginning. Sure, all students do not fall into that category, but a large enough group of them do for the outcomes that are happening to be completely expected across all college campuses. It doesn't matter what the specific % is, we know (and has been played out in many videos and first hand accounts I've seen from BBurg on social media) that a lot of kids have been partying, going to bars, and generally living as if there is not a pandemic going on.

I don't think it's an assault on villainous college kids and their lack of character, but a realistic portrayal of a subset of the population that is trying to enjoy their short window of college given the understanding that they themselves are in a much lower risk group. The shortfalls in understanding how this impacts the community around them has probably far more to do with ignorance and perhaps not thinking through all the potential spread vectors they encounter outside of their peer groups than it is some kind of malevolent and intentional endangerment. That part is much more complicated.

I think the general point is fair, though certainly it isn't fair to paint literally all college students that way. However, I don't think the latter was his intention.

Intent doesn't matter. We are portraying Virginia Tech students as something they aren't maliciously. That is slanderous. Yes, a portion of students are partying and being idiots. That doesn't mean you slap a label on everyone and throw them under the bus.

This is what Caleb Farley said when he opted out:

"Guys were going home, going to Myrtle Beach, coming back to campus, and we weren't getting tested. We're all together, working out, close to each other, and you have no real idea who might have it, if anybody might have it. One day I looked around, and we were like 100-deep in our indoor facility, no masks. My concern grew more and more."

There are problems with the administration's handling of this. There are problems with how the team is handling this.

"I started being really conflicted about playing," Farley wrote. "What this came down to is, I lost one parent. My dad is so important to me. Growing old with him means so much to me, more than football. I don't know what I would do if I contracted it and gave it to him, and he passed. I couldn't live with that. Part of me thought, I put all my eggs into this basket since I was 6 years old ... just suck it up and play. Try to stay safe. But I couldn't ignore all the doubts in my head."

This is one of those famous drinking, partying, thoughtless Virginia Tech students. Enjoying his short window of college. Trying not to get his dad sick because the administration and team failed him. How thoughtless of him.

Edit: Source - Dated Aug 3, 2020 well before students returned.

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I'm not arguing either of those things. I don't think Fuente and the football players are blameless. There is one player, who I won't name, who has been posting weird conspiracy shit on his IG story sometimes, that makes me very dubious he is taking this seriously.

I also very clearly already stated that I don't think this applies to everyone. So this whole thing...


This is one of those famous drinking, partying, thoughtless Virginia Tech students. Enjoying his short window of college. Trying not to get his dad sick because the administration and team failed him. How thoughtless of him.

Is totally unnecessary because I have made it so clear I am not saying they are all out partying and being crazy.

Edit: Did you even read my comment at all? These are things I said in the comment directly above this before you went immediately into anecdotal example mode.

though certainly it isn't fair to paint literally all college students that way.

I don't think it's an assault on villainous college kids and their lack of character,

Sure, all students do not fall into that category

So then you agree the assertion that:

we already know who they are. They're people whose entire social schedule is already based on breaking the rules. Whether that's purchasing alcohol while under 21, providing said booze to someone else who's underage or just simply being out a little too late and getting into something they probably shouldn't. It's a tale as old as TOTS.

is slanderous? I am making the case that this is slanderous and way over the line of what is fair.

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You're dying on some weird hills dude. There are examples of parties at every school that has reopened in person. No one is saying that every student is doing anything. But enough students are doing something that was predictable enough that the administration needed a plan for it, and didn't have one. Which is the point of the article. It isn't "character assassination" or "slander" or anything of the sort. It's pointing out that part of how the administrators of these schools messed up was by pretending that this shit wouldn't happen, when it clearly would.

I'm making a big deal of it because it matters in my opinion. Way more people read this site than comment here. There is a responsibility that comes when you have a platform. Prospective students and parents of prospective students can and likely will see this article. The whole article paints Virginia Tech students like they are out of control children that rampantly break the law.

That is not the case. It's over stretching and basically turns any argument you make about what the administration chose to do completely moot. Virginia Tech students are intelligent young people who hopefully aspire to live up to the values that are on the pylons. They aren't petulant children like this article portrays them to be. Yes, there are individuals that will disregard things and party, but the administration is the one that should be taking the headline here with bashing on Sands and Co. not leading with how students are criminally inclined children.

Joe admitted there were generalizations in the article but then said he didn't see it as slander. Brian is allowed to have his opinion, but saying "We all know who these students are" isn't the right way to address it.

And I'm not dying on any hill here. I've been around TKP through 5 years and have the legs to take a few negative comments. I've just been less involved because I disagree more and more with the outlook of a significant portion of the user base.

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I said there was the "college students" generalization. But that is all not Virginia Tech college students. It's not a generalization of a specific group of college students.

Also, regarding platform: I'm aware of the reach, I built it. We don't haphazardly publish work. Brian spent a thoughtful amount of time writing, I spent several hours editing, and we spent a couple of hours back and forth together. TKP isn't WaPo-sized, it's TKP.

At this point, I'm not sure what else you want.

I'm not really asking for anything. To use your words I, and at least a few others, had a different take away. I understand you don't see it in the way I do. I've just been responding to others in a thread and expressing my opinion.

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No one researching Virginia Tech is going to see this article. No one researching Virginia Tech's COVID response specifically is going to see this article. Respect to Joe and TKP, but I'm guessing he would say that it's obvious nonsense. I frequent TKP, and it doesn't show up in the first five pages of my googling of "Virginia Tech coronavirus."

Some Virginia Tech students are the positive strawman that you're creating, and some are the negative. Most of them live in the middle. They don't see it as a problem for them to see their own friends, maybe, because they think they're being safe. They're not super worried about catching it, because they're young. They're away from home in the first time in their life, and they're trying to enjoy themselves, like most of us did in that situation. No one is saying that everyone involved in gatherings or drinking is a "criminally inclined child," whatever the hell that means. Brian sure as hell didn't say that. He said they're young. And maybe they're not as future oriented or as cognizant of the ramifications of their actions, because they aren't. And that's not a bad thing, inherently. But it's not untrue. And it's probably not a good thing in this situation.

The point being made is that there are plenty of young people who, even if they "aspire to live up to the values on the pylons" or whatever, might congregate, and might drink. I think the values that Tech tries to impart are important, and are valuable to my life, and that doesn't mean that I didn't drink in college. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Your framing of "either they're doing their damn best or they're criminals" framing is entirely your own, and not implied in the article.

Also, stop using the word slander. It means a particular thing, and it doesn't mean what you keep saying. The article doesn't slander anyone, but it also doesn't disparage (the word you mean) them.

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Part of me has wondered if they were going for the LSU model and then the publicity that Farley's decision and comments made them change course. And now here we are struggling through the contact tracing and unable to field a football team.

Farley is entitled to his decision and to make any comments he wants. So I don't want it to sound like I have an issue with Farley. Just wondering if there may be something to what I suggested. Doesn't really matter, the situation is what it is at this point, and that is how it played out. Just interesting sequence of events that have me curious.

I'm not blindly defending Brian. I probably see the situation through the same lens as he does. I personally don't view it as "slander", because he pointed out normalized behavior I expect from college kids. Though to your point, that generalization is open to some criticism and you've provided it. Brian focused on the more rowdy aspects of college life, but simply studying together with a student or group of students might negatively impact the situation. That would have provided some balance. As the editor, I deserve the criticism.

With all that said, in the overall perspective of the piece, we're going back and forth on more of a detail. The overall point Brian made, as I understood it, was the administration made a bad decision, and with regards to football, Fuente has mostly been left to answer for it.

I read this as well Joe. Good article for sure.

For those criticizing Brian's article for the generalizations made, I find this to be part of Brian's writing style in general. I've had to learn how to read Brian. His style doesn't necessarily resonate with me, but I certainly appreciate his thoughts even when I disagree with his approach.

Thanks Joe for allowing the diversity in style and approach to be part of this community!

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As I said in my original post...I absolutely appreciate the article and the very clear relevance to the football team and the upcoming season or non-season. Rarely am I critical of the content published here, and I just want you and Brian to know that I love all the content and appreciate the effort and contributions that everyone makes to it. One criticism from me does not diminish my opinion of the work you guys put into this site.

I cannot wait for the Hooker vs. Burmeister debate to go full steam after next week.

Is it really slander to say those things with what can be considered evidence that they actually are being irresponsible? What you appear to be saying is that there are zero parties, there is 100% mask compliance (despite the tweet with the picture of kids waiting in line at the medical place with no masks (or hardly any). Let's not blindly defend college kids. I didn't do most of the things he talks about, and maybe that's why you're defending them, but for every person like me, I knew probably 50 more that were more like what he described.

It's literally character assassination. It's setting up a logical fallacy of "these are bad kids who have no regard for anything." There are absolutely some of those students, but there are absolutely students who do not do that. There are a lot of students who are back for classes. There are a lot of students who stayed home and are distance learning.

What part of that seems like I am making the case for zero parties, 100% mask compliance, or anything close to that?

It's crazy that everyone chirping here seems to be someone who didn't do most of the things talked about in the article. It's almost like it is a misrepresentation.

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You're the one saying they're "bad" kids for doing that stuff - the author is just saying they're kids doing kid stuff (well, just barely adults, doing stuff (unsupervised) just barely adults do). Sounds like you're the one doing the judging.

I am equating criminal activity with "bad". Brian is accusing students of committing crimes.

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If you're underage and drinking, you are breaking the law. If you're of age and giving alcohol to minors (under the legal drinking age), you're breaking the law.

Brian isn't calling them lawbreakers, just recognizing that is what college age young adults do.

This reminds me of an encounter I had while at Tech. I was a prior service student and this young man was complaining to his buddy that he should be able to legally drink since he was old enough to smoke, vote, or serve in the military (they were talking about him getting his fake ID taken away at a bar). I asked him if he had done those things, to which he said "No, Gramps." So I gave him some friendly advice and told him to suck it up because it's the law. He bitched that I didn't understand because I was old and didn't have to worry about it. I gave him some more friendly advice and told him to STFU.

Moral of the story: College aged kids do stupid shit on the regular. Pointing that out doesn't mean you are slandering them, and doesn't apply to every single one. If you think they don't do stupid shit regularly, I have some friendly advice to give.

I must have missed the part where it slanders and blames the college kids

edit: nvm, you responded to joe while I was still reading the article. I still don't see it as blaming the kids though

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As I said above, semantics. I chose the word slander, because it is the word used in the article. I don't think you can slander a general population such as college kids, because it probably isn't specific enough to actually be considered slander. But you get the point, spoke disparagingly of college students. And yes, the article blamed their behavior and irresponsibility while also laying ultimate blame on the administration.

I don't think its blaming the kids at all. Its just stating a fact that college kids do what college kids have always done, and anyone who expected anything different was only fooling him or herself. You can't blame someone for acting the exact way you expect them to act. The blame goes to those who thought it was a good idea to put them in the situation to act the way we all knew they would act.

Its like trying to blame a month old puppy for shitting on the carpets and gnawing on the furniture when you left it hanging out in the living room when you went to work instead of putting it in a crate or cage.

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This is how I took it as well

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The blame goes to those who thought it was a good idea to put them in the situation to act the way we all knew they would act.

Its like trying to blame a month old puppy for shitting on the carpets and gnawing on the furniture when you left it hanging out in the living room when you went to work instead of putting it in a crate or cage

I was thinking the exact same thing, with the exact same analogy.

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it's slander to the students to suggest they are puppies, when we know not all of them are that cute.

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There is no slander in this article.

(And I'm not saying either one is going on, just where my brain goes everytime I see those words.)

I took it more as Brian saying that while college kids might be ultimately responsible for their actions, the bigger problem is the authority figures not recognizing the reality we live in where college kids are going to break the rules. Trying to think of a good comparison... I guess it would be like (to a lesser degree) if you left your dog at home with an open bag of food. Pointing out that the dog was the one who ate the food isn't slandering them if your main argument is that ultimately you were responsible, because it was inevitable that the dog would act in such a way.

Now I'm just trying to figure out if you're supposed to drink for making the dog analogy after Alum07 just barely beat you to it.

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Dammit! If I hadn't revised my phrasing so many times I would have gotten it out sooner!

I took it more as Brian saying that while college kids might be ultimately responsible for their actions, the bigger problem is the authority figures not recognizing the reality we live in where college kids are going to break the rules.

It's a strategy vs. execution thing. The strategy is fine, but the members of the organization (college students) can't/won't execute. Unlike an organization, you can't just replace these people.

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EDIT: Drinking.

I think this brings a much deeper issue with the leadership at Tech up to the surface. I had a buddy that worked at Virginia Wesleyan for awhile and he said it was awful the way the academic side would throw the athletic side under the bus constantly. He was sprinting away from his job as fast as he could due to the lack of support from leadership. It almost sounds like the exact same thing is happening in Blacksburg, and that really depresses me.

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I honestly thought this article was going to be about Tech wanting to be a blue blood without wanting to pay like a blue blood, build like a blue blood or support like one. It's worse and you hit the nail on the head.

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Brian I thought this article was great.

Covid fatigue is real. The desire of people, young and old, to get back to some form of normalcy is real. Combined with the reality of college life it makes for an impossible situation.

As difficult as it is to stay vigilant with social distancing, masks and other non-pharmacological interventions to protect people, I hope that we can remember Covid...and influenza...are going to be around for a while and our choices and actions have the capability of making a huge difference.

The administration and athletics components of the school are just not on the same page and haven't been for some time. COVID is now bringing a lot of these deep-rooted issues to light.

The administration and athletics components of the school are just not on the same page and haven't been for some time.

Hard agree. To win a Natty, the athletic department, university, and football team need to be in complete alignment. From my point of view, that has not been the case at VT since Steger stepped down.

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Obviously I am coming from purely a football standpoint. I am sure Sands has done some excellent work for the academic side. But lately I find myself very disenchanted with the job he is doing and find myself wondering who should be next in line. Again I am completely ignorant of the work he has done, so my statement could be completely stupid

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

I think I'm in agreement. Sands' job isn't limited to academic leader; he has to define the vision for the community at large (staff, current students, alumni). Football (whether one likes it or not) is a focal point for current students and alumni (I'm sure staff too, but I don't have much insight there). All public facing information suggest that Sands has not embraced football as a central piece to the university's culture, but rather, treats it as an accessory, or 'just another activity' for students and alums.

One could easily argue that it's quite silly for an institution of higher education to support minor league sports for amateur athletes, but at this point, it's fundamental to the culture at VT. I question whether Sands truly understands this.

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Thank you for stating much more eloquently what I could not haha!

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Sands does not understand fully the identity and institutional culture of VT, IMO. He has done quite a bit on the academic side, which is great. But I'm not sure if he fully understands or recognizes the value of Athletics, primarily football, to the University and the VT community as a whole. You can't be CEO of the entire school and only focus on one element. Sports, especially at the DI P5 level, are critical. I really do worry his vision for the University is the size and numbers of OSU and the sports programs of a mid major. Basically we look like Purdon't.

If Tim Sands has done so much...why is the VT/Carilion Medical School located in Roanoke?

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Same reason Nebraska's is in Omaha, Ole Miss is in Jackson MS, Bama is in Birmingham etc etc etc.

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Or Cornell's in NYC, or Baylor's in Houston, or KU's in Kansas City, or Maryland's in Baltimore, or Rutgers in Newark, or Penn State in Hershey,....

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It's not just athletics; it feels like he doesn't get the community/cultural aspect.

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THANK YOU.

I'm not really fan of Sands. If I could describe it, he runs the university like its a corporation. VT is a community. Under his leadership, VT has been losing that welcoming community feel its had for decades with each passing year. You can still have that "small town, family" feeling while having all the great research facilities and partnerships. It's been proven with past presidents that had tremendous growth throughout the university but we still had our "culture". We were spoiled with an absolutely excellent leader under Dr. Torgersen and I don't think that will ever be replicated. But Steger showed you can keep the train going. That's slipped under Sands. I have no real ill will towards him, but I've also been hoping another school would scoop him up and we can move on.

If Tim Sands has done so much...why is the VT/Carilion Medical School located in Roanoke?

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Not sure, but is it because that's where the biggest Carilion hospital is?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Our southwestern VA community (NRV) could have benefited from the jobs/economy/medical services provided by Carilion/VT located here in Blacksburg (NRV), not Roanoke. Imagine living in Richmond and being told you can go 30-40 miles for that? You live in RVA, right? If Tim Sands was an academic visionary then he would have created/ built the medical school in Blacksburg (NRV), not Roanoke.

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I was just trying to answer your question.

You obviously feel very strongly about this.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yes. Live here...Understand it. Our area of southwestern VA is lagging behind RVA, NOVA, Hampton Roads because of this kind of leadership (Tim Sands and others). Why should my family have to go to Roanoke for semi-specialized medical treatment? Why should my family have limited access to healthcare jobs because they are now located in Roanoke (30-40 minutes from Blacksburg)? Why should the tax base be less than it is because doctors, nurses and medical support staff live in Roanoke (rather than Blacksburg (NRV)).?

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Short answer because there isn't a population to support a full trauma level medical hospital in Blacksburg. Same reason until early 2000's Southern Chesterfield didn't have a hospital, population to support one.
Long answer many medical schools are based in cities not with the university. But Tech has an on campus medical school. The DO school, VCOM just no medical center.

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I grew up in Pulaski county. I am intimate with what it's like living in the NRV.

You'll also know that Carilion already has a hospital down 11 near Radford. Given that LewisGale already operates a hospital in between Christiansburg and Blacksburg I don't know that it would make sense for Carilion to build a second hospital to service the NRV in Blacksburg to compete with LewisGale directly.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Hell with one that close they probably couldn't even get a certificate of need to build one.

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Hi, respectfully,

'I am intimate with what it's like living in the NRV'....I live here now. I wasn't asking for a new hospital to be built. Simply, those doctors, support staff use NRV Medical Center (Radford/Christiansburg) as you put it) and VT as their base of operation. Not Roanoke. These people need to be in the NRV, not elsewhere. Tim Sands could have made this happen.

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Wrong response.

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UNC medical school is partnered with REX Hospital in Raleigh. Travel time between dorms and hospital is 30 minutes by car. Yes, there is an on-campus hospital, but most of the specialists operate out of REX in Raleigh.

Very similar setup to what VT is trying to establish with Carilion.

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Does the Triangle need any more help? Communities (Triangle vs. southwestern VA not the same). The VT/Carilion medical school should have been located in southwestern VA. Blacksburg, would have have reaped more job opportunities, more medical support and a larger tax base. That goes to Roanoke. If Tim Sands was such a visionary then he would have promoted this. He did not. Why would someone downvote this?

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"Does the Triangle need any more help?"

Yikes

The partnership I described has been in place for decades and has helped shape this area to be what it is now. Its because of relationships like this that the area actually doesn't need more help. VT is at the early stages of trying to establish that kind of network throughout the Roanoke Valley.

At this point, I think the real problem here is that you just have an axe to grind with Sands, regardless of the topic.

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Hi, I have not axe to grind with Tim Sands regarding. Sorry. When did you live in the NRV last.? You live in Raleigh. If I said you needed to go to Burlington, NC. for your healthcare you would say 'what'? Get it?

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So now you're gatekeeping on who is allowed to speak about anything going on in the NRV.

Cool

Cool cool cool

Also, to reply to your edit, I live in the regional hub for this area, much like Roanoke is the regional hub for the NRV. You put the big things where the biggest population is, which is those hubs. Hence, why the UNC system has put most of their specialists at REX in Raleigh and why the VT system is putting their specialists at the facilities in Roanoke.

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I am no gatekeeper. If you have no background here (living, working) then you may not understand fully Raleigh!

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What the hell are you talking about

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You need to relax. Your beefs are political and don't belong here.

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Political...explain. Fact: YOU DONT LIVE HERE!

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Sorry, YOU DONT LIVE HERE! It's not a problem. However, it's not a political statement either. You know it. If you live in NOVA, RVA, Hampton Road and support VT/The Key Play you know that living in southwestern VA is a bit different than living in other areas of VA.

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At home...You know what it's like to tell a person 'to relax'. I am still waiting for the politics angle? Simply stated, Tim Sands is the reason for a lot of issue at VT. 1. Allowing students return to campus in a community that cannot handle more cases, 2. From a football perspective, it it likely that J.
F. and W.B. are likely trying to make things work given the VT COVID-19 reality in which they find themselves.

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Are you trying to get the hammer? Because you will if you keep doing this... take a breath and check out the fishing thread or something. You've made your point... everyone hears you.

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Thor's hammer?

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The "Ban Hammer". Yes, many of us don't live in the NRV, and you can hold that against them. Much in the same way that you might not TKP hard enough to know what a ban hammer is and how that can be detrimental to your participation here.

No matter where someone lives, works, their political affiliation, gender, etc. logic is logic and you seem to be avoiding the key elements on why certain decisions are made. VT Carilion is in Roanoke because it's likely what's best for VT full stop.

FYI - A ban hammer is what TKP management uses to downvote a user to oblivion thus mitigating the provocative and unnecessary argumentative posting. It's to be avoided.

So, are you TKP Management?

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No, but I am. Want to see what I can do?

You've made your point. Move on.

Plus you do actually live in the NRV so you meet his criteria to be able to have an opinion

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Yeah this man is just spouting nonsense now.

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When using an online forum like TKP it might take awhile to make a point with several posts and respond to questions/comments/responses. Your comments...my comments may not always jive with each other. The article by Brian was essentially 'VT was not ready'. Was this an indictment of J.F. or W.B.? No, my point was that it was T.S. I tried to argue that J.F. and W.B. are just trying to make things work given the circumstances knowing students were going to be students. I believe T.S. has made other decisions that haven't helped our local community...So why would persons downvote a reply/comment to you (-2)?

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I live 45 minutes to an hour from any kind of specialist you are describing. You are trolling this thread with crazy talk. It is political because you are mad that Sands isn't force feeding jobs and medical economy into the NRV...something local politics are mighty concerned about, not a sports website.

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It's not politics. Period. Apolitical. Furthest thing from my my mind. VT President is not a political figure. However. 'crazy talk' is not so crazy when you are trying to suggest that Tim Sands decision-making is not that sound when it comes to VT student return/local community's response to COVID-19 surge/SWVA economics/VT Football (J.F. and W. B) just trying to make things work (under that directive). Everyone gives him (T.S.) a blank check. I am interested in your take otherwise (concerned local politics).

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If you love VT (Academic, Sports, SWVA) then you might say that Tim Sands/VT needed to have a medical school campus that was NRV (Blacksburg) based. That infrastructure would have been in the NRV (Blacksburg). Ever wonder why we 'can't have nice things')? This a part of that reason. If we shift jobs, tax base, medical care to other places (30-40 miles, Roanoke) then you might get it!

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You would not create a new hospital for a medical school. If I was looking to go to a medical school, I would cross off VT immediately if it was in Christiansburg. That hospital would not be able to expose me to as much as Roanoke would. There are only 7 level 1 trauma centers in Virginia. 2 in Norfolk, 1 in Nova, 1 in Richmond, 1 in Charlottesville and 2 in Roanoke (both in the carillion system). VT is extremely lucky to be able to have access to this for their medical school. Also you make 30-40 miles sound like it's impossible for a commute. It really isn't that crazy for a commute.

I made the commute from Radford to Roanoke for years. It was an easy 40 min commute. I wish I had that now.

Christiansburg to Roanoke at the moment. Just long enough to shed the stress away before arriving home.

This is a bit of a diversion, but are you sure UNC puts most of their specialists at REX? I've lived in CH for 30 years, and have never, not a single time, met someone who went to REX for care. 2 of my 3 kids have a rare metabolic disorder (nothing big, and super manageable, don't worry!) and they see a leader-in-his-field metabolic guy on the UNC campus.

Note that I agree with your overall point in this sub-thread. Just wondering where you got this REX info.

Thx, I graduated from VT. Live in NRV. I care/love a person with special needs. However, it it severely problematical that I have to take her to a Dr. (provider) for gastroenterology, neurology, endocrinology in Roanoke, rather than Blacksburg. If Tim Sands was 'all that' and kept the medical school in Blacksburg then i would have not needed treatment for her conditions in Roanoke. If the medical school was in Blacksburg then I would have not traveled 30-40 miles away) in Roanoke for her medical issues.

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I grew up in Chesterfield and had to see a specialist that was at least 30 minutes away. Sometimes that's just what it is. Blacksburg isn't a city and will likely never be one. One of the perks of cities is that they generally have larger healthcare networks and medical centers with more specialities.

I know of a Gastroenterologist that's part of Carillion that is in Christiansburg, so it's not like you have no options in town either.

'Blacksburg isn't a city and will likely never be one'. Respectfully, I know there is a gastroenterologist in Cburg that doesn't go beyond the basics. The Blacksburg quote is...

"IT'S A MIRACLE IN BLACKSBURG! TYROD DID IT, MIKEY! TYROD DID IT! TOUCHDOWN TECH!"

I can only speak from personal experience, but anytime my family has needed to be referred to a specialist, its either at REX or Duke, depending on the provider or specialty. We've never been asked to head to Chapel Hill.

That being said, my Mother in Law was a Dr at Rex, and I can't recall her ever saying she needed to refer someone back to Chapel Hill. I think a lot of it does have to deal with the specialty, but I think they're planning to move more over to Rex in the near future given the rapid expansion of the campus.

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AND...

"IT'S A MIRACLE IN BLACKSBURG! TYROD DID IT, MIKEY! TYROD DID IT! TOUCHDOWN TECH!"

You're looking at it through a very specific lens, which happens to be the wrong one. The purpose of a medical SCHOOL is to train students to become doctors, NOT to serve as a local hospital. In order for those students to get adequate training, they need a certain case load so that when they're actually practicing, they know what the hell they're doing. Blacksburg simply does not have enough people for medical students to get effective training.

That's why VCOM, which is located in Blacksburg, only has their students there for the first two years, where the instruction is lecture based, and then those students go to hospitals elsewhere for their third and fourth years for clinical rotations. Liberty's new DO school is the same way. Sure, a few students stay in Lynchburg for their clinical training, but most students end up in Norfolk and Petersburg, and some go to Palestine,TX or some random place in Indiana.

It seems like your beef should be directed at Lewis Gale for not having specialists, since they ARE supposed to function as a local hospital. Tim Sands, leveraging a more populous area so students from his school are better doctors, is doing exactly what he's supposed to as President of a learning institution.

What in the blue hell is even going on in this particular sub-thread at this point...? It's all over the place.

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What sub-thread? The minimize arrow is great!

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Man I have no idea. People are funny sometimes.

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It's like one of those "I forced a bot to watch every episode of Sitcom X and then write an episode" memes

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Can we also realize that this isn't just a VT problem. If you look at the Hotspot list, its mostly college towns.

I see some folks acting as if VT dropped the ball here, when there are plenty of schools running into the same thing.

Hell Notre Dame closed only to reopen again.

Even smaller schools are having issues:

https://www.jmu.edu/news/2020/09/10-covid-19-update.shtml

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Thank you for this comment. That list is almost entirely college towns. VT is not unique, though the article makes it seem so to some degree.

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I was about to start a new thread to make this very point, but I'll respond here instead.

I'm not posting this to indict (or to absolve) Fuente for the mess the team is in, but I don't think VT (the school) has handled this any better or worse than other schools (particularly those in small towns). In Chapel Hill, there was a near revolt (on campus and in town) at the prospect of students returning. They returned anyway, and cases went crazy around here. We had kids lined up at the local quick clinics, and our Whole Foods struggled with cases on and off. Then they got sent home. I've heard similar stories in other small college towns.

The big difference being that UNC sent people home. I get the concept of not wanting to send them home to infect people there, but the converse of that is that college kids will continue being college kids on campus, most likely dramatically (exponentially?) increasing the number of cases. If the Blacksburg metro area can't handle that many cases, what then?

Also, it makes it hard to field a football team, especially if you have to quarantine for contact tracing, it sounds like even if everyone was wearing a mask. So good luck to us being able to field a team.

Well, yeah. That's true. Football teams will be difficult to field with students also on campus.

I was just responding to the larger sentiment that VT "wasn't ready", which kind of implies that other places are. I can't think of a single, large-ish (some smaller private places are doing ok) school that isn't struggling the exact same way VT/Blacksburg are. And I've got hands-on experience here in Chapel Hill.

And to your point about UNC sending kids home, I think that's a larger sign of not "being ready" than anything VT has done. As the original column noted, there is NOTHING surprising about what college kids have been doing, nor about the inevitable consequences. VT seems to have opened anticipating this, and is trying to power through. UNC and NCSU seem surprised by all this. It's bonkers.

If there was a larger failure in Blacksburg (to date) it was in the decision to bring students back at all. A decision it shares with most peer institutions. (I acknowledge that some smaller things, like meals and IT infra, have had problems along the way.)

The point I was getting at is, the article is kind of looking in the rear view mirror to some extent. I'm looking forward, and thinking it's not going to get better (most likely worse). So we're less likely to be able to field a team. So just hoping Fuente won't get blamed (as the article points out) if we can't field a team all year, but the schools that sent their students home can.

Edit: from a football perspective, (and to your point about UNC not being ready), if UNC can field a team, it's like they're being rewarded for their approach, but we'd be penalized for being more ready and anticipating things.

Bingo.

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Exactly. That's why I do find the "admin is bad" take a little harsh. I do not envy their position. There are major repercussions no matter what decision is made, and there are no "right" answers. I personally think VT's admin has done a much better job than their peers at JMU and in NC who brought students back, took their money, saw an expected outbreak, then sent them home without regard to further spreading the virus.

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This is how I've been looking at it. I specifically remember Notre Dame looking like it was doing a great job with quarantining all summer, then suddenly there were cases when students got back. Acting like VT has somehow uniquely bungled this situation is myopic. Everyone has bungled it because no one has had to deal with anything like this before.

The common experience has been great results before students return and bad results when students got back to campus for everyone. All the #disciplineequalsfreedom in the world isn't going to prevent UVA from seeing more cases now that their students are back. It's sad and predictable and probably shouldn't be happening at all.

Fantastic piece, this really resonated with me.

When 9/11 happened, I was in 6th grade. The thing about that day that I remember most is that it was the first time in my life where I looked around and realized that the adults around me had no idea what to do. For me, COVID has created a similar feeling; people who were appointed as leaders in a variety of organizations - businesses, governments, families, sports leagues, schools, etc - are completely clueless, and have been for months now. Rather than attempting to create actionable plans tied to measurable goals, these 'leaders' are announcing 'strategies' that give the minimal amount of guidance, while being still vague enough to avoid any legal repercussions. As a result, the highest ranking 'middle managers' are stuck dealing with shit they are not equipped to deal with.

Fuente has not been a perfect coach by any stretch, but when it comes to COVID, he can only do so much.

Anyways, great piece. Reading it was very cathartic.

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Welcome to the land of the lawsuit lottery. Where leaders could do something that would be safer AND move forward, but someone could then sue you because you took a stand that they don't deem safe enough.

It's a tale as old as TOTS.

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As upsetting as it was to read, the article was well-said. Great job.

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Great article and just want to give kudos to the writer

There are people to blame for this situation, but it's certainly not the athletes risking their lives to make sure their athletic department remains financially viable.

Agree that the whole situation could be handled better, but I don't like the way this is framed.

  1. The athletes were given a choice to play or to sit out without consequences. They are playing because they want to be playing
  2. Looking at VDH data, out of 42k confirmed cases for people who are 10-30 (with actual number of infections likely many times higher), there have been 5 deaths. While it may suck to get it and long term issues are still unknown, I don't think it should be characterized as deadly for this particular group of people

This^^^

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So....a bunch of non-athlete students are assumed to have questionable decision making, but student athletes of the same age are expected to make an informed, good decision on whether or not to play a GAME (which they don't have to since there are no consequences) at the risk of long term heath impacts (aside from playing the game of football) and possibly dying from them.

No one else sees a flaw in this logic?

People don't want to see the problem with this because it means they aren't entertained for the fall.

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Good article... but the thread... not going anywhere good.

Just taking all this perspective in and what Fuente is having to deal with - I want to take him out for a socially distanced tall glass of bourbon in front of a campfire and just let the guy chill for a couple hours.

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No no, you're using the old gif. We have new abandon thread gifs now (shamelessly stolen).

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Son of a bitch

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I think the thread is fine. Everyone's being civil. There's only one comment with negative legs at the moment. I'm enjoying reading everyone's different takes, opinions, and responses (so much so that I'm not getting much work done :-/). I say carry on!

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I appreciate the differing viewpoints as well

I strongly encourage the community to continue engaging in good faith

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This is a great article and I dont have a problem pointing out normalized student behavior. However, I do think there are some opinions in this article, specifically about assigning blame or even gauging the severity of the status quo. I personally dont think any of us have enough actual factual information to defend or argue some of the opinions. For instance, there is a real possibility the number of positives have been very low while the contact tracing protocols have been very strict. We just do not know. But we do know there are other schools around the country that have had many more positives and what seems to be much less quarantining. So has anything really been handled poorly?

Again, I like the article but do not necessarily agree with it 100 percent. I also think, since there are opinions built into this article, comments should not be disabled or else it feels more like censorship versus moderation.

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Is the population of Blacksburg really higher than Harrisonburg? 183k seems very high

Thank you--us engineers can't read too gud.

42k in town

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Not 183K.

"IT'S A MIRACLE IN BLACKSBURG! TYROD DID IT, MIKEY! TYROD DID IT! TOUCHDOWN TECH!"

On a related note, I got my first ever Covid test this morning. She shoved that thing like a foot up my nose.

Oh, and this was in Charlottesville. There wasn't some crazy line like in the tweet in the article but I had to wait in my car for about an hour and a half before they called to begin the process. There were people waiting just like me all over the parking lot.

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I gotta say, the place in Lynchburg I've had to go twice has been great (except for that feeling of getting your brain swabbed). Drive up, park, someone is out to register you in 5 minutes. Back on the road home in 15 total, max. Last time I even got my results back in less than 24 hours.

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I felt bad for the doctors and nurses. They were going in and out a good clip getting to people but it was a lot of people. Hope I don't have it lol 🤞

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Isn't everybody supposed to be using the $10 saliva swab yet?

How do you know what it's like to have a foot shoved up your nose? Yikes!

Oh... never mind. I figured it out.

Wait, what?

I haven't had the test yet, however my wife has. I believe I'm good based on association, so she is taking one for the team.

The ones near my home don't go that deep from what I heard. So not sure why some do and others don't.

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Since my job requires traveling and lots of people coming from different locations and we just HAVE to be on the job site (when I could totally work from home, but I'm getting off on a tangent), they send us home with test kits from Letsgetchecked.com, and you only need to insert it in your nostril until there's gentle resistance. It still sucks and makes my eyes water up and sneeze like crazy, but not as bad as the flu test and nasal cavity searches I've had done (basically they push it as far as possible back there lol).

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Tim Sands knew better. Period.

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Subsided...

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Thanks Brian. Spot on.

'Without a doubt in their minds (or at least in their press releases) one of the biggest schools in the Commonwealth brought as many students back to Blacksburg as possible. In a pandemic. In a town without the capacity to adequately treat over 34,000 new faces.

How could it possibly go wrong. It's a statement so rhetorical, it's punctuated with a period because it's not a question.'

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It's a lot less stressful accepting football (on a scale outside of the NFL) probably shouldn't have happened, but taking any games we do play as an added bonus.

This way any "bad news" isn't really bad news, it's just news and is what it is.

A lot less to worry and debate about if you just accept we might not play any games and any "results" from games we might get to play this "season" (wins/losses, championships, rankings) are meaningless and void.

Except if we get to play and beat UVA, fuck those guys.

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In addressing students behavior on any college campus, I think these types of discussions are missing a huge point: people's behavior has a direct relation to their surrounding built environment. A college campus is designed to encourage physical socializing, from dorms to cafeterias to common areas. The surrounding town often responds in kind, creating student housing designed for roommates and commercial areas for large gatherings. College is as much a social education as an academic one and that is reflected in the physical environment in which students live. This environment doesn't just make it difficult to social distance during a pandemic, it makes it impossible.

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Which is why its so completely irresponsible to have forced students back to campus. Any campus. By no means was this just a VT problem, this was a problem across all of the higher learning institutions across the country.

And, to me, what is most bothersome isn't that we didn't have any backup plans for this. Its that we didn't even try to implement them before sending kids back, creating a COVID powderkeg that is slowly detonating across the country.

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Exactly.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

And before I go too far, the most frustrating part about all of this is that its not like we weren't warned. Every industry expert in the pandemic fields repeatedly said this would happen, but for various reasons those who were in position to make decisions did not listen to them. And in some cases, those same experts are going to end up being blamed for the outbreaks for not doing or saying enough.

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You were warned.

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I wonder how many of the students that have tested positive for covid have died from it and how many have gotten better and returned to what they were doing.

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I wonder when people are going to realize that more people catching an infectious disease is a bad thing for the population in general, even if it's not specifically that bad for themselves.

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Kind of like the flu

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Last warning. Please stop.

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Per Joe out of context: "this is not the place to discuss COVID". Well I see he has plenty to say here about an article one of his reporters has written. I can get all the vacillation I need on the network news. Fishing guys Ill still check in! Goodbye.

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Sorry, is that not what the article is about?

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After reading every comment here, both agreeIng and disagreeing with them..all I can say is the old saying "it is what it is"....What's right? What's wrong? Who was right? Who was wrong?.....doesn't matter right now...cause it is what it is😞

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I wonder how many players are out in regards to contact tracing

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It's FSU they will claim he didn't have any contact with anyone else.

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Not to start a fire, but I'm seeing some smoke.

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Ban hammer pls

Several coaches have it. #sauces

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oof

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I've heard from 3rd hand reports it's "staff" they weren't able to tell if that meant coaches or equipment and medical people but yea I've heard rumblings.

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This is slowly turning into a disaster of epic proportions.

Global pandemics can do that.

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Seeing smoke of what....?

Yeah my wife and close friend both work for the mothership and are receiving not so positive vibes about our game. Can't share anything concrete but not exactly the start I was looking for on a Monday morning.

If this ends up being true, we might have to cancel our season. At a certain point we just won't have the opportunity to play enough games to make it financially worthwhile, especially when the local economy is already taking a full hit.

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But in all seriousness if we cancel we can just replace the Liberty game (or make Liberty a bye and replace our by with State).

Every team and college in the country has to deal with Covid. It's a virus, nobody is immune, it's random- or else we would have a cure by now. Having said that Whit Babcock is nearly bullet proof and praised constantly with little or no questioning his decisions, etc. If VT football can't handle this as well as other programs, then someone needs to be held accountable and I'm guessing it won't be Whit- he's Whit after all.

A lot of the programs that are handling it have done so by sending the rest of the students home. Not sure that is in the best interest of the general student body, but who knows.

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Not just the student body but the town as well. If UNC sends students home, Chapel Hill is probably okay. If Tech sends all the students home indefinitely, what happens to Blacksburg? It's existence probably counts on having students there.

This is where I'm at too. Other teams are playing games. Granted, there has been a smattering of other postponements/cancellations, but if we can't go again this Sat, three straight cancellations is pretty damning. Yes I know N.C. State prompted the first, but we wouldn't have been ready to go either.

Either most other schools are just saying YOLO and not monitoring this, or we clearly aren't doing something right. Beginning to become a massive clusterf*** down in VT land and it's very concerning.

To be fair, a lot of other schools haven't started playing yet. For all we know, any of the SEC teams would have been in the same position if they started the season on September 12.

The Big 12 starts conference play on September 26, and it looks like it left it up to the individual teams if they wanted to schedule a non-conference game during the two weeks prior. As we saw, Baylor ran into multiple issues with attempting a game this past weekend.

Memphis managed to get a game in on September 5, off on September 12, but has now cancelled games for the two weeks following. Sounds like a similar position VT would have been in had the ACC allowed games on Labor Day weekend.

That is a fair point, but we can't say for certain. We can't always just keep saying well it was just a perfect storm that affected VT. What we can say for certain if VT again can't go this sat is that we have been unable to play for three straight weeks. The optics alone are bad. That is just alarming on its face and likely a sign that VT may need to pull the plug on the season. No way we can keep rescheduling games getting close to October at this point. I really hope I'm wrong but it's just been a total mess so far.

Stop it. The big 10 literally isn't playing for another 3 weeks and they aren't cancelling. This Friday marks two weeks from our first call to cancel. It's bad but calling to cancel the season 1) makes no sense and 2) is needless negativity

Agree here. This season is essentially meaningless as far as final results are concerned. If it was always about the money and opportunity for the players, that still exists whatever number of games are fit in.

"If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?"

Other schools sent kids home to remove the main cause of the hotspot (full dorms and a campus filled with college aged kids who have always made a point in challenging authority).

VT still thinks we can get through this while maintaining the status quo.

This isn't on Whit. It isn't on Fuente. Its on Sands and the Board for not pulling the plug and doing what is right. And it goes well beyond football. The fact that our team is getting hit this hard just underlines how bad we have handled this at a university level.

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Yea the moment Montgomery county public schools went virtual, tech should have done the same thing. The virus is circulating freely in the community so any crack in the athletic program's defenses will lead to cases.

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Yeah I'm not gonna say this is on Whit this is more on the university as a whole in mismanaging the situation really. Whit can only be in charge of athletics its not his fault the entire student body showed up and is still there causing the virus to spread in a more uncontrollable sense than before.

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I will say if you are in Blacksburg, wear a damn mask and don't go to crowded indoor places.

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college aged kids who have always made a point in challenging authority

Oh so now you're just insulting every college aged kid?? /s

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Well I'm not living in Blacksburg so I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this subject /s

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Only smoke I've heard is Hooker may not play Saturday #sauces

EDIT: Fuente mentioned backup coaches in the presser, and that we don't have a full lineup for Saturday. So, there's that.

I don't care what our record is at this point, as long as we beat UVA in December.

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tbf, NC State maintained Leary was starter until he wasn't an hour before kickoff on Saturday.

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Didn't Hooker do some interviews like 2 days ago? Would they let him answer press questions if he was in quarantine or had Covid?

my old VT Room mate just send me a note saying he came across a comment on VTScoop that Hooker may have a career ending "Condition". Does anyone know anything about the validity of this?

That would be an absolute heartbreaker for a promising player.

Also completely on brand for our QB continuity.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm not going to say I'm glad they have positive cases, but I'm glad they're about to have a lot of cold takes thrown in their faces.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

To be fair it was the football coaches who were up on their high horse. Don't think the football team has any positives yet, but some people are made for falling off horses.

If UVa students really cared about education, this wouldn't be happening. /s

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