ODU Vent Thread

Fuente gave up at the end. No one came to play. Let the hate flow.

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The worst part of this isn't just that we lost but that it now defines our entire season. 2018 will now just always be that year we lost to ODU. Rest of the year doesn't even matter now.

Not true. Still need to continue the bowl streak & keep the Commonwealth Cup. Those matter

I disagree with your first sentence, but I agree with the rest of your post.

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I agree with the first sentence, disagree with the end of the post

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

And to think we joked last week about having to make up the ECU game in order to get bowl eligible......

Eh, I still think of 2010 as the season where we went undefeated in conference play and won the ACC before losing to Andrew Luck in the Orange Bowl.

I'm guessing you don't have many JMU friends?

JMU was certainly better then their record that year. I wonder how both our season and ODU's seasons shake out. I wouldn't be surprised if we slump after this loss, but also wouldn't be surpassed if ODU plays like dog shit the rest of the year.

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It will effect more than the current season. Another trophy case loss that we are known for. Recruiting and donations will surely be impacted well beyond what we imagine.

Every coach and every player is at fault here. 100% garbage display and embarrassing for a program with aspirations that we supposedly have.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

I watched a lot of young and inexperienced kids make many mistakes. I also saw some boneheaded plays -some attributed to youth... but I just lamented from the middle of the 1st quarter on that I'd like to see technique and skill (and for the most part, better talent) to simply execute.

Bad, no... abysmal O-line play
Receivers sloppy
Secondary not lining up, nor maintaining the fundamentals that Bud's D predicates

Perhaps that ECU game might've been a significant need to continue to teach or to at least maintain whatever sharpness the team had... but on to Duke.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

The Justin Fuente honeymoon is officially over.

The defense played terrible but the offense was atrocious against a defense that got shredded by goddamn Liberty. We were not at all prepared for tonight and this is a recurring theme over the Fuente era. We shit ourselves against bad teams yearly.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Defense gave up 49 points. To ODU. Let that sink in, then realize the O scored 35. Which should have been enough to win.

Liberty scored 52 on this defense. Liberty. The defense played awful but this offense completely shit itself today.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Let me repeat: they scored 35. Which is enough to win the vast majority of football games against CUSA teams.

Except it wasn't, they needed to score more

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This is so true.... 35 points isn't enough in what became a shootout... we're supposed to have a strong offense and it wasn't there when we needed it

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They just had more ammo than we did... a pounding back and tall receivers.

you know, I would say most of Bud's defenses (maybe all) contain that RB and the D-line had enough talent (although a bit of inexperience) to contain if-not-completely-stuff any/all of their runs... but the inexperience of the DBs -with corners needing to be "on an island" and then the middle knowing their gaps... well, it ended up being the worst combination today

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

We also have a heavy running back and tall receivers

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Yes we scored 35. It's effing ODU. We should not have needed to punt today. Our first team offense should have moved the ball at will.

Even so it did score 35 points. Defense gave up 49 against a team that scored 10 vs Liberty and 20 against FIU. Disgusting

Yea, but ODU's 49 pts came in garbage time.

When you play like garbage the whole game then the whole game's garbage time ayyyyy.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

We always seem to play sluggishly coming off a break in the season.

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Yup. I've noticed this too.

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The offense put up 600 yards (ie, not atrocious) and failed to sustain drives early. The defense just didn't prepare to play today and it showed on the screen, the scoreboard, and the box score.

I thought coming into the year this was a 6-win team. Now I'm starting to worry if they even get that. This defense is atrocious

Love you guys, I'm not gonna waste my time venting about this. We all know how each other feel.

Same. I typed out parts of a post three times since the game ended but there's really nothing to say here, either insightful or quippy.

All that this loss does is knock us out of the national championship picture. It's not even an ACC game.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

also same...

I keep writing random thoughts, and some of 'em actually get posted (proof here). but this is a YUH-HUNG team. the ACC Coastal appears to be complete chaos (living in the dirty-dirty, all I care about is kicking the shit out of GT) but there's plenty to play for. I'm gonna be in Raleigh-Durham (Durham? Raleigh? I don't know) cheering 'em on and hoping to be 1st place in the Coastal standings next Saturday night.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Players believing they're good enough to phone in a game is one thing because we've seen that before...but the coaches clearly wanted to phone this in too and as a result the WHOLE fucking team got rightfully humiliated. This was as much a team effort as I've ever seen...the stench of this will stick with this team for a long time.

Was Bud Foster even there? I never saw him on TV.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

All I saw on TV was two announcers sucking ODU's dick all game. It definitely made this loss even worse.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

100% true. The announcers were treating it as an upset from about halfway through the first quarter. I guess they were right but still, they were worse than Herbstreit was during the FSU game.

Two parts to that. One, its obvious the ODU coaching staff openly discussed their Game Plan as How to create an upset and it fit in beautifully for television because of the concise points of it

CBS Sports has the deal with ODU's conference so those announcers probably are not used to calling games against a formerly ranked team.

Second point is that our team was playing right into it. If we had boatraced them in the first half like last season than it would have been game over but we played right into the ODU coach's list of upset markers. We deserved every shitty comment they said yesterday. The only one that was a bit shocking to hear them announce was the one late in the fourth where they acknowledged every big call by the officials had gone against Tech in the game.

those announcers probably are not used to calling games against a formerly ranked team.

Except that these are the announcers who get pulled over to CBS whenever they get the SEC doubleheaders, so you could probably call them the CBS "B" team, or the CBSSN "A" team.

He was probably curled up in a ball behind the bench.

I don't know, as I was watching on Gamecast, and you lose a bit of detail.

The defense got shredded. Stop.

Need to fix. Stop.

WTF? Stop.

Also I don't care about losing but I don't want to be embarrassed. The last time.we had a loss like this was to JMU and the only reason that was somewhat ok was because we won the ACC

This team doesn't have that potential. This team is closer to .500 caliber than actual contender. Good teams don't lose to ODU. We are the national embarrassment this season. And this is the second time in a decade we have humiliated ourselves like this. Not good at all.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

100% agree with this. That loss was infuriating because that was a good team, and it showed at the end of the year.

I'm not sure this team's very good.

This is "wake me up next year" levels of bad loss. Why the hell would I pay $60 a ticket to watch that garbage the rest of the year. We just lost to a winless team that got curbstomped by 52 points to Liberty. Liberty.

Duke, ND, Miami... Do we really now think we have a shot against any of them? At this point I kinda wish I could.get a refund on my Duke tickets

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Agree 100%. Waste of money to watch this garbage live. They better start showing up. Notre Dame ticket prices straight asinine at this point.

Got a couple of Miami tickets i wish I could get rid of lol /s

I could not agree more. Almost feels like there is nothing to play for even though there is.

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Pathetic effort everywhere today. Our coaches were completely outclassed. Horrible gameplan and demonstrated an inability to make adjustments.

This is a program-resetting loss. Honestly this is up there with JMU. Good luck trying to sell anything in the 757 again with recruiting, or anywhere instate for that matter. Any and all momentum gained thus far has been completely pissed away and then some. I think a lot of people will begin to lose faith in the program after a performance like this. Wonder how that Drive for 25 fundraiser is going to go this week now. Absolutely devastating.

Legged. This loss IS worse than JMU. Bad games happen, but JMU was on a short week after a big loss. Almost a perfect storm. Fuente et al had an extra week to plan and focus on this game. Pathetic loss that will stick with us forever.

I wasn't expecting much out of this season anyway (4 or 5 losses) but ODU? Really? Damn son. I thought we were done with this late Beamer mid 2010s type of games.

I ain't even mad, I'm just disappointed. Fuente, Foster, all you players can walk home and think about what you did. We'll talk in the morning.

Excuse me, I'm looking for the FAM thread. Is it down the hall? Can't find it.

Same. We won TOP so I guess we won, no idea why the FAM thread isn't up yet.

Thanks. I had neither the patience nor the desire to put it up this time. ZERO excuses. ZERO reason. ABSOLUTE FUCKING FAILURES every last damn one of them from bottom to top. That's all. Oh, and FUCK ORANGE jerseys. There. Done.

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Glad that qb competion lasted all of...was that a week.....

Why do we never challenge the qb1 job!

I'm not one to normally question this, but is the job is up for grabs now?

Virginia Tech Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Josh Jackson 8/16 151 9.4 2 1 61.5
Ryan Willis 9/18 131 7.3 1 0 86.8

Virginia Tech Rushing
CAR YDS AVG TD LONG
Josh Jackson 11 58 5.3 0 24
Ryan Willis 4 30 7.5 0 23

Would definitely hope the answer is yes, especially considering Willis did his in one quarter and Jackson had three quarters.

These are the types of games that have slowly lead me to not enjoy sports nearly as much. The highs are not nearly as high as the lows feel.

Depending on the health of JJ going into next weekend we could see quite a dilemma. I think Willis did a good job when he came in, seemed patient in the pocket. But Hooker may be better for the system. Should be an interesting week.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I'm all for freshman taking a redshirt year to bulk up and learn to play college ball, but I wish for just one moment that we had insight into how far back Quincy is from the rest of the room. Are we talking "just needs to learn the playbook and he's solid for next year" with him, or are we talking "if we're 2-5 with four games to play, he's the starter for the balance and still gets to redshirt"?

Just my curiosity about someone who comes in with quite the reputation from being in the Elite 11. I don't expect to see him this year.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

I agree. It's an odd way to handle it. I feel there has to be a method to the madness and that's even behind why Willis is ahead of Hooker. It does seem like Willis has a decent set of wheels tho. I just don't know how much we would have to change the playbook in one week.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

If we get to 2-5, will anyone care who's quarterback?

I thought Willis did a better job of feeling pressure and of checking down to other receivers. He also showed wheels that i didn't expect from him.

He also showed wheels that i didn't expect from him.

Would you go so far as to say he was deceptively fast?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Our backup QBs don't play when the starter is struggling. It takes an injury for Fuente to make a change. 'Coaching Leadership'

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Note that it took only one series for Wilder & staff to change QB'S.

That's right and he found the one that was a best suited to beat the opponent that day.

*3 games and 1 quarter

Considering how we were running the ball I thought they may put in Hooker when JJ went down. Willis played pretty well but Hooker being a dual threat would have been something they likely didn't prep for.

Small silver lining? Major reality check. We all knew from the beginning this "should" be a rebuilding year. We got high on our own supply. Now, we shouldn't have lost to ODU by any measure, but we "should" be grounded again. I think the players AND coaches got too cocky. Hopefully they'll actually commit to this 1-0 mentality moving forward. We are not world beaters quite yet, but we aren't the shit team Tech fielded today.

Hopefully they'll commit to this 1-0 mentality moving forward.

They're supposed to do that shit REGARDLESS of opponent or situation.

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My point exactly.

As much as I wanted this to be a homecoming for all 757 hokies and alumni, this had the makings of an upset with us coming to town. Every game, including this one against ODU, cannot be overlooked.

We were outcoached and outplayed. The ODU players and coaching staff wanted this more than we did.

Does it sting? Fcuk yes it does. But our coaching staff and players must learn, reflect, and prepare for next week.

We didn't go 1-0 today. The slate is wiped clean tomorrow to go 1-0.

Let's Go

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No. The slate will NEVER be wiped clean. The only way to do that is to win a National Championship. Even that will only make it less dirty.

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This is why you never wear orange.

Also, Florence beat us twice

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If I could make this go plaid all on my own...

No, I *don't* want to go to the SEC. Why do you ask?

We don't love dem Hoos.

I was going to say this is all ECU's fault. They still found a way to cost us a game.

Don't sound like a UNC fan upset about a hurricane. Come on your better then that.

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remeber that FSU pregame hype

I'm getting tired of the inferiority complex among our fanbase. In the last 15 years, we have played early season games against Texas A&M, USC, LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, Boise State, WVU, Tennessee, Nebraska, and GT.

You can't have a Serious Long term Trend of losing Bigtime games and keep expecting to win. GT/WVU is different as a ACC rivalry but after the other games, besides being at BMS the UT game wasn't to hype for me.

You wanna get hype show something. That Alabama Game of 2009. That was HYPED! The roster was packed the team seemed like it was ready. Then the 2 Top 10 team rankings that actually felt valid. These last few years are the opposite of that and that is showing up, here on twitter, other places

The real problem was that we started to believe the hype after playing a pretty mediocre Florida State team.

VT is a good football team. I can't really explain what happened to the defense today, but whatever that was needs to get fixed.

This is Foster's mo...ODU simply played to what has always been an issue

Bud has saved many bad offensive games that VT has had. That entire 2014 and 2015 season I think most recently was all the Defense. He's been great for VT! And Beamer and Bud both deserve recognition but a statue doesnt seem right.

Once again he is a good DC but if you look at his numbers consistently he's not great. He's way better than I would be, but in Ranking Defense by Yards Allowed per Play over the last 10 years he avg a 30th ranking as best Defense

What are you talking about? How exactly is this Foster's MO? The thing fans usually bitch about is Foster's defense against dual threat QBs. That wasn't the case today and frankly I fail to see any facts that support your post.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

In Joel's prediction of Offense scoring 38 points was pretty close to being right....what wasnt right was the Defense....so...

working on facts later

I think the recipe for success against Foster is the QB change-up.

He has a system that requires a lot of moving parts. He game-plans accordingly. Most importantly, the players practice accordingly.

Change up the QB, and if he is the least bit capable, that QB tends to get a good 2 quarters of a free-hand.

Even if Foster makes the right adjustments, the defensive players have to be flexible enough to roll with the changes and execute, and hope the O was able to keep up.

When you have as young a D as ours, a QB change has just that much more likelihood of succeeding.

Add in a bad day from the O (dropped passes, bad decisions, giving up sacks to 3 man rushes), and you are going to lose against just about anyone.

The change of QB angle is what I was thinking of also. I completely missed the 1st half so I don't know what Williams looked like in their O..... This is what happens when you allow an inferior opponent to get confidence. You find yourself in a dogfight and you end up losing your confidence. I never thought we were going to actually lose the game. I kept waiting for the strip sack, int or some turnover. It never came....what I'm wondering also is what is up with Hooker?

Completely and incomprehensibly shit the bed against a massive underdog?

Better bring some whisky, too.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Finished the game and went to the liquor cabinet - only one inch of bourbon left..... even the wife said she'd hold dinner until I went to the ABC store. Love that woman! Basil Hayden and I ate comiserating with the the rest of you.

If we're going to have a "development" season why not just fucking play Quincy. Dudes definitely gonna have hiccups his first year. Just fucking do it now and get them all over with and have a fucking baller team in 2019. Fuck.

He may not be ready. But he can play in four games, anyway.

He can't be any less ready than JJ was today

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Can't make fun of UVA for losing to a 16th seed anymore.

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I was just going to post "at least we weren't ranked #1 overall and dropped a game to a 16th seed"

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This is the post I disagree with the most.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Our loss is much much worse. We lost to an 0-3 Old Dominion team that was basically a home game for us.

UMBC actually had to win a conference to make into the brackets. This is by far the worst loss in VT football history.

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Nah. UVA was actually the first 1 seed ever to lose to a 16 seed team in the NCAA men's basketball tournament.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

No sir, JMfU, a fucking FCS opponent was worse. We had Tyrod, RMFW, David Wilson, etc.

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I'd beg to differ since JMU has won multiple national titles.

Now if it was like Florida A&M or something like that, you would have a point.

We should have waxed the floor with ODU.

This is going to be a dagger into our movement in recruitment in the area.

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FCS Nattys don't hold a hill of shit in division 1. I agree this is a dagger to recruiting in 757.

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Well I know for a fact we don't schedule JMU anymore because we are afraid to get our ass kicked by them.

The Assistant Athletic Director at JMU is a good friend of my friend who is the Deputy Athletic Director at Georgia. He has called Whit to try to get JMU on the schedule multiple times, and Whit will not return the phone calls.

Losing games to ODU or JMU hurts recruiting and that's the end of it. Don't schedule teams that play in your backyard where you recruit on a regular basis.

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The whole point of this game was recruiting. The ONLY reason VT should be playing at ODU is recruiting.

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."

This is blatantly false. P5 schools lose to lower FBS schools every year, even highly ranked teams. No one seed had ever lost to a 16. Especially not one of the most dominant regular season teams of recent memory. Only ODU/VT fans and VT haters will really remember this game in a decade. No one will EVER forget that 1-seed UVA lost to a 16-seed. Ever.

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You'll just sound stupid if you continue to use it.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

You lost to a #16 seed. Oh yeah...

You lost to an ODU 0-3 team that got destroyed by LIBERTY.

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There are very few losses in college sports that even come close to UMBC over UVA, and one of them is another UVA basketball loss. I'll cite that loss until another 1 seed loses, and probably even after that, and I'll be certain that whatever they throw back at me wouldn't approach how embarrassing that loss was for UVA. That game was on the front page of every sports section in America the next day. This game won't get front page outside of Virginia.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

They just said it on ABC what happened to us today hasn't happened in 40 years. It's just as bad.

Oh and whoever is blaming Florence, you sound like an UNC person.

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UMBC UVA hadn't happened since the dawn of civilization. The only way this loss would have measured up is if we were a Bama tier football program.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'd also like to add that it also hadn't happened before the dawn of civilization either. Don't want there to be any confusion

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I appreciate you keeping me honest fam.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Except we are getting destroyed, deservedly, on social media. RedditCFB in particular. Even UMBC's twitter got in on the roast. ESPN had it on their "headlines" scroll during their game broadcasts last night. It is a massive story that is getting widespread attention. We are the butt's butt right now. I will never hear the end of it personally from Tennessee fans.

RedditCFB is the best place to go right now if you need to be inoculated. They're pretty harsh over there when something like this happens but the harshest stuff they say is usually very very funny. I went over to read it last night and we're being trashed (and rightly so), but half of the stuff on there made me laugh.

... They even honored us with a flair change. I love r/cfb but I won't be back posting there until Friday or so.

Flair change? It still looks like the regular VT to me - or maybe I don't know what flair is, I only generally do the minimum.

More so a flair modification, my bad. Looks like there's some Lion claw marks above the VT.

Whew, we have had some painful and embarrassing losses over the years, but it's super rare the defense gets so much of the blame like this. Normally if the defense gives up a lot of points it's because it's against a good team or the offense keeps going 3 and out (or both).

Never would have expected the defense to get crushed like so. Like, how bad is FSU?

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God. Almighty. Damn. What a display of ineptitude. Fuck you Florence. Fact of the matter is I knew this was going to be the result from kick off. Team was just flat. Kept Jackson in to long, blah blah blah we all watched it we know what happened. Bright note is this might be a like others have said JMU all over again. Hope this lights a fire in the team.

I worry we don't have that type of leader to rally around... We likely just lost 1 of our 4 captains to injury.

I agree but even before the injury they would show JJ sitting on the bench just...there. I mean no emotion nothing. I know I obviously didn't make it anywhere in my Single A football career but if we were getting beat by someone who had no business being on the field with us I was pissed and slamming shit and yelling, did no good but damn look like you care.

Im with you. Even when he came back out in crutches I would have thought he would be coaching the guys but nothing. Very disappointing.

I was just making a point that the coaches appointed him as a captain which could be alarming. The coaches have a lot of work to do to get this group together this week.

Also, not to start shitting on another LB, but i noticed Rivers looked really slow out there. Like slower than most everyone else.

I second this. When he was in position, he was getting blown up. On first watch I feel this was a really weak performance from him. Let's hope this is an exception game, and not an indication of his ability to play at a high level.

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

FUCK.

DAMMIT.

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Willie Taggert looking at the box score:

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Fuente Plays a QB that can't throw or run , then expects his #2 to come in and carry the load. Willis did a great job AND should have been playing way before JJ got hurt. This One is on the Coaching Staff and Fuente for being Hard Headed and Not Pulling JJ. Even Last year he played him and it cost us a couple games..

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Don't see how you can say it cost us games last year given that AJ Bush hasn't shown anything to demonstrate he's even an average FBS level QB.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

While the QB situation may have contributed, I'm thinking our D giving up 49 points just maybe was a bigger factor.

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The offense being incapable of moving the ball or sustaining drives puts a lot of pressure on the D. The D played terrible today, but the QB play looked like a mediocre highschooler trying to play a P5 game.

Our turnovers and stalled drives were a contributing factor

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Plus 3 PF penalties in 4th Q, to continue ODU drives, as I recall. Maybe I don't remember well, but I don't want to rerun the game . Ever.

This defense has real problems that were masked by a horrible FSU team and a I-AA W&M. The tackling is bad and the secondary looked like boys playing against grown men today. Don't know if there are any answers other than take your lumps as you grow up.

This one stings... but I think we will bounce back.

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My bad everyone. My wife and I held our first watch party during the Miami game last year. Won't happen a third time.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

It was largely my fault. I didn't open my beer until it was almost halftime

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Sad that it took an injury to Jackson to make a change, but I really liked what I saw from Willis.

Even on the successful plays - the TD to Hazelton - the throws weren't where they needed to be. He just really can't place the ball where he needs to. That INT was AWFUL.

For Willis to come in and make some of the plays he did were impressive. Hazelton should catch that 4th down throw, but Willis can't fastball that in as much. But man, he's got a cannon and I can see the offense humming if he got more reps with the 1's. I'd even be willing to take an uptick in turnovers if it meant a higher ceiling.

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Hazleton was awful today. He has a serious case of the dropsies that cost us timr and time again. He got open to score on a defender falling down, but other than that, a very forgettable game from him.

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I cannot blame a qb for throwing too hard if it's on the money. There's not excuses. Damon should have caught that.

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On a serious note I feel like I just watched a replay of the 2014 ECU game. Losing in single coverage on defense on deep balls all day long.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Yes, but if I remember that game correctly, we pretty much locked that stuff out after the first quarter. This game... not so much

When it came out a few years ago we were playing this game I thought damn this is stupid. When I learned that I couldn't watch it because it was on a stupid channel I thought damn this is stupid. When I checked in on the score I thought damn this is stupid. When I heard that JJ is out for a while I thought damn this is stupid. Now that the game is over I can confidently say: THAT WAS STUPID.

I think one thing I'm disappointed in is the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.

Those are costly, and show a lack of team discipline. They're inexcusable.

Those and fumbles cost you games you shouldn't lose.

While if you had to assign blame for the loss, it would probably have to be on our defense and secondary in particular, our offense looked pretty anemic this game as well. Going to be a long season I think

I don't think I'm taking this as harshly as you guys are, but I'm still going to break out the Maker's 46 and get off the internet.

See y'all tomorrow.

I think more than a few people should follow your lead here. Good on ya guv

I don't know to much about recruiting, does ODU just have better recruits on their offense than we have on defense?

LOL

No.

I do like this thought as it could make us all feel better but unfortunately it's not even close to the truth.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

No but they might have a better support staff? Grasping at straws...

That was absolutely a horrible loss, but I'm not sure why everyone is acting like this is the worst loss to ever happen to anyone. At least ODU is FBS. I'm pretty sure we lost to Marshall not that long ago too and they are also C-USA. I think we can bounce back and still have a decent season. The boys need to focus on the ACC now, we're still 1-0 in conference.

Odu is the worst team we've lost to in a very, very long time. They got shelled by Liberty and Charlotte to open the year. We had no business allowing this game to be anywhere within a 30 point contest and we lost.

It's arguably the biggest upset in college football in the past 30+ years

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Ranked teams lose to FCS teams at least once a year. How is that not worse?

JMU was definitely worse.

Cmon. We all knew VT was overrated this year.

Who have we beaten, again? VT is a decent team with some HUGE holes on defense.

Agree we were overrated, and you can debate whether JMU or this was a worse loss (I think this for overall timing and negative perception impact instate). But in no universe ever anywhere should VT lose to ODU. It can't be shrugged off as well we were young and overrated we all knew it. If we truly want to view VT as a football program that can compete nationally, you cannot lose to ODU. It is unacceptable.

Alum, i love you bro, but that's as hyperbolic as you can get. It's one of our our biggest upsets in the past 30+ years but probably doesn't rank in the top 25 in all of college football.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Nope. He is right actually. This really is one of the largest upsets in recent years. We were favored by 30 points and ranked #13. This is actually a monumental upset. Unfortunately, it doesn't feel special because VT is used to being upset.

This was ODU's first win over a ranked FBS opponent.

Oh, it's worse than that. It was their first win against a Power 5 school.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Even Michigan Appalachian State?

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: “Guys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Yeah I'd say so. That APPSt team wasnt bad. They were a team that could have and would have beaten many FBS programs that season. They were the #1 FCS team, defending FCS Champions and went on to repeat later that season. They won on a blocked FG.

This ODU team was not good. They were 0-3 on the season having just lost to Liberty, Florida International, and Charlotte, a FCS school that only started playing in 2013. We were a 4TD favorite in a game that should have been a walk in the park. We lost by 14, a 6 touchdown swing on the spread.

Yeah, this one is worse. Even worse for us, it's the second time this program has done this against an in state dreg the past 8 years. Our recruiting took a massive hit after JMU, and this will hurt us worse because it happened in the 757. We might never regain any foothold in that region again.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I won't bother to look it up, but did Appy State win the FCS that year?

Yep. Game was played in 2007 and they won the 2006 and 2007 National Championship. I want to say they got the 3peat in 2008 as well.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

ESPN listed it as the biggest upset in 10 years

Based on their FPI ODU had a 1.8% chance to win

I legit had to Google this to make sure I wasn't too drunk. We last lost to Marshall in 1940. Let me go get another beer....

Huh I must be thinking of that 3-OT game that we actually did win...I blacked out, what happened?

Unfortunately, I don't get to wait until Monday, I work with an ODU alum...tomorrow. He's already smug so tomorrow should be super fun.


And I'm not even allowed to fucking drink because of my fuck damn surgery I had, FUCK DAMMIT.

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
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Well, I'll hoist an extra one for ya.

Out of solidarity.

I hope they gave you some pain pills.

I think we're all hoisting an extra one for you....

The loss stinks. However, watching Fuente standing there emotionless on the sidelines while an emotionless QB continues to underperform all game long is just as bad and cannot keep happening if this program wants to be successful. Willis came in and was clearly more confident and effective than Jackson. Fuente needs to stop being so stubborn and actually coach. Take Jackson out for a series and actually coach him while Willis or Hooker is in to spark a drive. Seriously, what is the point of having back-up QB's (other than to replace an injured starter) if you have no intention on ever playing them. Would you leave a starting FG kicker in the game week after week if he kept missing FG's?

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Yep. In a word - leadership.

I was hoping for the Arkansas halftime speech, but I guess it didn't happen.....

Because Jerod took over that game and Bud decided some adjustments would be nice

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Fuente has demonstrated that a single fumble from a RB will get you the bench for the rest of the game, even if it's still early in the game. I just don't understand how you stand there for 3 hours without even attempting to change the QB, even just to light a fire under JJ's butt to play better.

I was all in for JJ the starter after the first 2 games, little slow but showed promise of growth. But during the game last night I wanted to see what our other QBs could do. It was apparent we weren't going to win with JJ last night to anyone of any age watching that game. This lose is on everyone on the team, but I put most of the blame on Fuente. I feel he mismanaged this game.

Also, one thing that has consistently shown up. While Farley has a ton of potential he misses so many tackles. It's frustrating but it should get better as he gets older.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

He got eaten up today by the 5th year sr

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

If Farley got eaten up, then what happened to Watts....cause that guy got used and abused all day.

Wasn't talking about him, but now that you mention it. Yes both our corners looked outsized and outmatched. Divine would have helped.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

And Ladler, and Hunter, and so on.

I was so optimistic about this year, probably a little to optimistic. We probably won't win another game this year, from here on out we play quality teams. :(

Call me fair weather all day, but I have never been so heartbroken by a loss. I couldn't imagine making a nearly four hour drive to watch them play after a performance as lackluster as that, so thankfully I was able to just sell my Duke tickets to a co-worker. I'll be ready to cheer them on for Notre Dame, but I just don't have it in my heart to make a nearly 4 hour drive to watch them as soon as next week. Beyond the score, the team looked toxic today. That's my controversial vent, sorry.

A Hokie living in Tennessee.

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

A program-building win for a program that recruits against us in the 757.

Not even so much to ODU's benefit, but there are already massive crowds of people in the 757 and elsewhere in VA that are completely anti-VT and pushing top talent to go out of state to play for a bigger program. This literally poured fuel on that fire. I don't think we are ever going to fully recover perception-wise from this one, at least not for a long time. This was a dagger.

there are already massive crowds of people in the 757 and elsewhere in VA that are completely anti-VT and pushing top talent to go out of state to play for a bigger program

This. We're not recruiting against ODU we're recruiting against larger programs and the perception that VT is and always will a day late and a dollar short compared to other programs.

This was the single worst thing that could have happened to us this year. Losing to UVA or the bowl streak both would have been better than losing to ODU in Norfolk

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"Sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you...". Tough one.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Fun stat y'all...632 yards by ODU is most given up by a bud foster defense EVER!

The internet is having a field day roasting VT right now.

A year 1 loss in year 3, now I'm checked out for the weekend.

"...I'm getting a little tired of hearing how good everybody else is..." -Coach Fu [This week: 1-0]

We went in expecting a cream puff Bill and Mary repeat. We expected to win but forgot that winning actually takes effort. I also think the team was thinking about Duke and forgot that they were not there yet. We made bonehead mistakes and forgot to be disciplined thus looking like shit. Hopefully the trip back to Blacksburg is a long reflective trip and they work their asses off to learn and improve from this game.

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

This will rival JMU as our worst/most embarrassing loss for quite some time. This not only has ramifications for national ranking, momentum, media hype, season expectations, etc. but this also sets us back about 5-10 years in how high school kids view us. This will kill us in recruiting.

Also, if I'm Hendon Hooker and didn't get s shot in this game, after that sorry performance. And he still doesn't get a shot next week if we struggle, I honestly wouldn't blame him at all if he transfers. Fu was way too timid tonight. Saban took his starting QB out in the NC game! But fu was scared to take ours out against freaking ODU. Can't even describe how pissed I am right now. This is on the coaching stuff 100%

That JMU team would murder this ODU team. This ODU team got curbstomped by Liberty.

Let that sink in. As bad as JMU was, this loss is so, so much worse. And this was in the heart of where we are trying to regain a recruiting foothold? If you were a prep coach in the 757 why would you send a player to VT after watching that today? Absolute disaster of a game that will hut for years down the line

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Completely agree.

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From the beginning I've been pretty strongly against this series. But this game changes my mind. I want to win by a million points through the rest of the series. I want to be up 70 and going for two point conversions. Make them cancel the series out of their own pain

Yeah, there needs to be some retribution for this game and no mercy.

They could have run out the clock, but decide to stick it to us with one more touchdown.

We deserved it, mind you, but what goes around comes around.

Sorry, have to disagree. They ran a pretty vanilla run play and we simply made a horrific attempt at tackling. They weren't exactly out there throwing for the end zone. We basically got trucked on a basic run play.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

Well, that was a terrible way to spend an otherwise nice Saturday afternoon.

Hats off to ODU, more than just 3-4 guys, their whole team showed up to play with intensity. Great job by their coaching staff also.

Interested to read the analysis of how some of the young guys did... Hunter in particular seemed to play a lot today.

And my main gripe... at some point in the game, when our coaches realized that ODU was not overwhelmed by the offensive scheme, I wish we would have just lined up 5 OL, 1 Bonus OL Big Ugly, 1 TE, 1 Dalton K, 1 RB, 1 HOOKER, and 1 WR... and literally pushed the ball downfield.

To good Friends... good health... and the besting of Hoos.

Hunter did play a lot... didn't have a particularly good outing.

Is it football season yet?

You must be new, that would have made to much sense. There's no place for that here. Kidding aside I had the exact same thought. Don't know why when a game like this happens we don't just use our size advantage. I'd took 3-5 yards a play over the disaster that was laid out infront of us.

Thats the only way we could have saved our defense from itself. Chew up clock and bull our way down the field, without Jackson in the lineup

You put those words together, those are my favorite words, Popeyes and bahama
- Mike Burnup

Well ODU did win the time of possession, so...

You let them score 58 :(

Woah, you almost had as many passing yards as ODU did last night!

With a walk-on back-up QB.

At least we get to play the underdog rule the rest of the way. Week 1 we played with a chip on our shoulder and we saw how we responded. Next week will determine our season bottom line.

SLC

Can I just take a second and point out how horrible this broadcast was? Forget the score or actual gameplay.

First, the early game goes over the projected timeslot. And they're still showing commercial breaks at 3:30. Not even making any attempts to get to our game in a timely manner.

Second, CBSSN streaming sucks. Why can't CBS have an app like the rest of the sports channels? Had to try two or three times to get it to start. Then it froze, then I finally got it for a decent bit of time (probably because everyone else said screw it and waited for TV to start). And then no smooth transition to TV.

Third, the announcers just suck. The play-by-play guy kept slipping into a fake JFK accent, and I couldn't make out a bunch of crap they were trying to say because they were getting way too excited.

Fourth, WTF camera guys? You were biting on every single fake.

I've seen better broadcasts on ESPN3, and I'm talking 2017 Delaware level broadcasts where they would forget that they were coming back from "commercial" break.

You're lucky with you CBS sports coverage.

I got a note that my CBS Sports channel is "in-home only", whatever the fuck that means, so I had to watch it on gamecast, even though I was recording it at home.

Yep. Honestly, I don't know how to explain it, but as soon as I started hearing these dumbass biased announcers talking about the "anatomy of an upset" for 15 minutes straight, I didn't have a great feeling about this game. And hearing them jerk off ODU the whole game just kept making me even more pissed

Worst part is that I did a radio test earlier in the game, and it was way out of sync. It was a third down play while VT was on defense, and I heard the complete call from Laaser while the teams were still huddled up on the screen. I tell my buddy "I have good news and bad news." Then I start to call the play exactly how Laaser did, but before the action actually happened. "And the bad news is that I heard that 30 seconds ago."

Disappointing because the radio synced up perfectly for the Pitt game last year.

Conference USA has the contract with CBS Sports, so what did you expect? For their focus to be on the ACC school?

I will admit I was impressed in his knowledge of the Temple game. I even wondered whether he went there

I got the feeling that the ODU coaching staff referenced the Temple Game as part of their How to Create an Upset game plan which was why the announcers knew about it.

Yeah, and why the constant reference to some Temple game years ago?

Do you think if we were beating Alabama the announcer wouldn't act the same way. Quit worrying about announcers and beat the team your supposed to beat and you don't have to listen to it.

I didn't even mention the announcers gushing over ODU. While annoying, I understood that. But even if we had been winning, the quality of the broadcast still sucked.

What a fucking clown show. I am tired of the hype, I'm tired of the hope, I'm tired of everything.

3 fucking years in a row we've lost to a team we have no business losing to after looking promising. 3 FUCKING YEARS. Fuente's honeymoon is over, there is NO EXCUSE to how unprepared the team was, to how little they cared, to how temperamental they were.

We had 2 weeks to prepare for this and we fell flat. This is 100% on fuente. JJ is not that good, we know that already, but we should've spanked this ODU team with Mark Leal if we had to. ODU LOST TO LIBERTY 52-10 LAST WEEK.

It's time for Fuente to take some accountability and set this program straight. The offseason and this game shows that there's something seriously wrong with the program culture. Players, and coaches, are taking shit too lightly.

I don't care if you call this an overreaction. Just like ECU 2014, Wake Forest 2015, Syracuse 2016, GT 2017 and now the worst of them all ODU 2018, we're the laughing stock of college football. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of a team with so much promise always fucking it up.

I'm just tired.

I'm pretty sure Rutgers, UVA, and Kansas are the laughingstocks of college football.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Kansas and uva are absolutely not the laughing stocks of college football right now and we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than them. We are this week's laughing stock.

This week 100% we are and deserve to be. You put that comment in context of losses from multiple years implying that we are in general a laughingstock which isn't true.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

See now we're starting to make sense again. If we had only put in Leal...

Fuente said in the postgame that he was most disappointed in the penalties and the way that we reacted to adversity. He said we didn't face any adversity against Florida State and that when we faced it today our reaction was terrible. He took total responsibility and owned it as head coach at least.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Not saying that the penalties won or lost the game, but damn, it seemed a bit one-sided.

ODU #6 was needling us several times, and never got called. Yet Gaines did when he pushed back.

Definitely saw some holding or PI calls not made against ODU.

The one play where we didn't make the catch and the ODU bats the ball up off the ground -- how is that not delay of game?

I saw several plays when members of their O Line were holding our guys down. How the Hell they weren't flagged I don't know...

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

It's been plainly obvious that Gaines was an easy target. Anyone who baits him all year long is going to get a reaction, and we're going to get called for LOTS of penalties because of him.

This needs to be addressed ASAP.

This was ODU. If there was any semblance of any competent gameplan there wouldn't have been any adversity. I hope this learning lesson doesn't destroy our ability to recruit that region for the next 5-10 years, but seeing as how difficult it was before, it probably did.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Indeed. It's easy to play when you're up.

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

On a positive note, Willis actually had the offense moving. They had to respect his running ability.

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"Bench him"

--Fuente
Maybe, shit who knows like I've said earlier JJ acts like he couldn't give 2 shits what happens. I just want a QB who acts like he's engaged.

I don't blame Jackson at all for the effects of the pathetic body language he displays throughout the game (maybe he's never been made aware of it). However, Coach Fuente need to actually coach by demonstrating an effective leadership style to Jackson. Standing emotionless on the sidelines can be done by anyone.

"Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

I stood like that in my living room

Because having a Narduzzi type going ballistic on the sideline would have made it all less embarrassing.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

How about being positive and actually coaching his players instead of being a mannequin? Dude might as well telecommute

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Obviously we can't see what goes on in practice, but I question how much of a QB competition there actually was. Jackson just looks like he is going through the motions out there in every game. Like he's at practice speed just rehearsing the plays. I just don't see him as a fiery leader that can make a play when needed or rally the offense. Combine that with his limited rushing ability, and I just don't see what makes him head and shoulders better than anyone else on the roster. Liked what we have seen from Willis, and Hooker deserves more reps period. Tremendous athlete.

He has a slow delivery. Almost Tebow escque with the windup of the ball. I never noticed it until today.

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Fuente Loves his JJ, we all should have know that from last year. plus he bailed him out of his troubles this spring. JJ wouldn't start for anyone else at the D1 level. Being hard headed as a head coach has cost VT last year and again this year. He don't have any choice but use one of the back ups, which they Didn't get much time with the first team offense. all on Fuente's head.

Jack R.

BURN EVERY ORANGE JERSEY!

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Yeah, what's up with the reddish-orange with purple trim jerseys? Why does everything have to be a freakin fashion statement! Remember the ruby slipper cleats a few years ago? Yep, bad juju then too.

To be fair the "red and purple" look was because of the cameras. Some had saturated colors while a couple of the replay cameras actually made them look orange and maroon.

I'm taking the season off. I honestly have enough shit on my plate I dont deserve the 3 to 4 more I know were due

Keep calm, Gobble on

Question: Where was Grimsley?

"I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising..." - KP

Didnt seem to get much play after dropping those two early balls.

What is disappointing is that the best players on the team are still Beamer guys. Ricky Walker Trevon Hill, Gaines,. Reggie Floyd Etc. Recruiting at defensive tackle is not good the defensive ends aren't showing me anything that he's recruited. This is starting to look like an old Southwest Conference team that just loads up on offense and has very average Talent on defense but we're not scoring 50 plus points a game to win these shootouts

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Odd that the team leaders are the older seniors

I'm glad I quit drinking last week...

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

The biggest thing I want to vent about tonight is this:

I went over to reddit to finally sign up so I could comment on our postgame thread and someone else has already taken HorseOnATreadmill as their username.

This is the thing that will make me go to bed angry tonight.

You have no idea how much I resisted making 'Real_Horse_On_A_Treadmill' before you. Take it, it's your destiny.

Huh, honestly just assumed that was you on there. But i guess it would be a pretty popular name to pick.

Coach Cutcliffe and Co. gonna light up the scoreboard next week in Durham. Our young secondary gave up 495 YARD PASSING TO ODU.

Is it football season yet?

I love how this community went from talking about how we might run the table in the Coastal to 4 hours later we may not win another game all year. As bad as this loss is (it's really bad) that's honestly a fantastic 180.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

That was 4 hours before getting our pooper lit up by a commuter school.

Well I don't know about you but I took this anger and just did a quick dumbbell workout... and I'm still pissed! This is not going to sink in well... now I have to go to work... I know it is going to be an ambush

-Semper Primus

Keep your head clear and stay alert!

ODU was talking mad trash at the end of the game. Not just on the lines, but to the team on the sideline too. Tech didn't only get beat, they got bitched.

I dont know what all the anger is coming from, it was just an exhibition game

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

Take your dang leg.

Virginian by Birth, Hokie by Choice

OMG this beamer reference made me laugh

Let's Go

HOKIES

I'm stuck at Breakzone until midnight and there's a party being held at my house right now.

I am not in a good mood and I need alcohol.

That game still has me in shock, but I'll say this. Maybe I haven't been a Hokie fan long enough (entered as a freshman in 2013), but I love this school with all my heart. We still have great coaches. I know it didn't show tonight, but we'll be better because of this and the things will work themselves out. I'm embarrassed, but hey all you can do is go and beat Duke next week

but I love this school with all my heart

Have a leg. I went to get more beer after the game and the thought actually crossed my mind of switching out of my VT shirt but decided against it as I am never ashamed of being a hokie. One day we will see the high for all of these lows

I am rooting so hard for Army over Oklahoma, Oregon over Stanford, Texas Tech over OkSt, and Kentucky over Mississippi State so we are one of the upsets on the weekend of upsets.

Well Texas beat TCU, Texas Tech beat OkSt, and Kentucky (4-0!) beat Mississippi State...doesn't help us much since those were all conference games.

I miss the off season.

At least I wont feel as bad about wedding season.

This game was like watching a slow-motion Car Crash. Apparently the Defense used the extra week to watch film of the '14 ECU and '16 Syracuse games--devise a scheme that plays EXACTLY into what the other team is trying to do and just watch the TDs add up. The lack of any real adjustment at any point was mind-boggling.

Offensively, Cornelson clearly lacks the ability to call a gameplan that works without a running threat at QB. For JJ to be effective in this offense, he has be extremely accurate and make correct reads, neither of which are happening. I think we may have seen JJ's ceiling and, if so, its time to work on finding the next guy.

I know Fuente values ball security, but that INT prior to Halftime was abhorrent and a total momentum-killer. Despite playing poorly, the D had only given up 7 pts. at that point; going to half with a 2-TD lead would have changed the complexion of the game. It was an awful throw; JJ could have just saved time and handed the ball to the damn DB. You can't convince me anybody on the bench is going to make worse T/O than that.

The harm that this loss will do in the 757 can't be understated---this was a full-on bed shitting from top to bottom.

For JJ to be effective in this offense, he has be extremely accurate and make correct reads, neither of which are happening. I think we may have seen JJ's ceiling and, if so, its time to work on finding the next guy.

Sadly for JJ, this is totally, absolutely spot on...

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

We tried to dip a big bucket, but may have just soured the well

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This is what happens when you wear the same uniform as clemson and UVA, you combine Clemsoning and Loluva'ing......

I HATE FOOTBALL!

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

Hello hockey season.

I'm sure it's been discussed but no reason to schedule a brand new FBS school in your most fertile recruiting ground. Really there's no reason to schedule a game at ODU ever. What's next a game at Liberty? You're asking for something like this to happen, especially these days the way CFB is.

I'm pretty sure I can't say anything that hasn't been said, especially with over 1000 posts, but discipline on this team is a huge problem. I can't even remember how many players we lost in the off season to discipline or academic issues. Almost lost Jackson and Hill as well. Personal fouls and unsportsmanlike penalties cost us this game period. We as a fan base should not have to endure that. I see no reason to continue to support a team that can't keep their cool and rise to the occasion and beat an 0-3 team in a conference that I can't name and that got blown out by the Liberty Flames. This game was more than just an upset. And is more embarrassing than the JMU loss. The JMU loss was wayyy more understandable. We knew we had a team that year. This team, not so much.

What's next a game at Liberty?

Why yes, there are two of them on the future schedules.

Don't remind me.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

I'd say change the future schedule just the opposite . Its recruiting players and fans

Recruits that Tech is recruiting were making other visits. This week they will be at Penn State to see that White Out atmosphere. Tech's win or Loss vs Duke/ODU wont be the 1st or 2nd thing on many of thier minds. Want to sell them something Penn State doesnt have. How about a game back home every 3 years

Donors donate because they like Tech and the future of Tech.

You want more fans to donate, connect with them.

Never play Austin Pea. And with the ECU drama never them either.
New Schedule Rotates over 3 years
play at ODU, at JMU, or WVU at Fedex Field and Home FCS teams Richmond, W&M, The Citadel (Edit-if we cant get A&M, i'll settle for another military school)
VT fans can attend a game in their own backyard and feel a connection. they may not buy season tickets or come to every game due to the distance but once every 2 years they get a home game and reminded to support Tech maybe just contributing a few dollars every year. or buying a new jersey for the game.

Tech soldout it's 2,000 ticket allotment for the ODU game

I talk to so many UT fans from Northeast TN that went to the BMS game but havent been back to Neyland since aught whatever year, when whats his name was playing

It was the orange jerseys people!! /s

-Semper Primus

Broke: We lost because of the offense.
Woke: We lost because of the defense.
Bespoke: We lost because of the uniforms.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Is Fuente really who we think he is? He seemed so disengaged the entire game and subsequently so were the players. Puts a pall over the season.

Unless we have a huge play he's always stoic. It's just how he is.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Fuente is a good (football) coach. Recruiting has to get better. And the discipline issue has to be fixed even if it means blowing this season up.

I hate to see him get injured, but that play where JJ didn't even look at a wide open Dalton Keene for an easy first down - and instead forced it into double coverage - was my "final straw" for him. I think we ride the rest of the season with Willis or Hooker, even when JJ is healthy again. /Vent

Couldn't watch the game to read his body langauge but reading the threads and seeing the incomplete passes def said something about his game play today. I would really like to see what Hendon Hooker has to offer with his speed!

-Semper Primus

There seemed to be zero energy, passion, or emotion from JJ the entire game - either on the bench or on the field. It was bad.

Agreed. For a guy who is just a game manager and not athletic, he made some really poor decisions. Especially overlooking Keene for the easy first down.

That Notre Dame game is gonna be empty

I'm liable to no-true-Hokie somebody who decides they can't get up for a home game against Notre Dame because of a loss.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Agreed but how do you get in that mindset of knowing it's a guaranteed loss since Notre Dame is 100 times better than ODU and we can't even beat ODU.

You could apply the very same logic to the game we all watched today and we both know how that turned out. Nothing is certain.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

By that logic there's no point in even trying the rest of the season, because every team left on it is ten times better than ODU so we have no hope of finishing better than 2-9. Fuck that noise.

Oh we'll probably beat Notre Dame. That's what we tend to do after already blowing a season or a historic loss.

It will be packed.

But Gameday will be there, right??

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Good for ODU. Should help keep more of them 757's at home.

We don't recruit against ODU.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Ummmm we do since they are an fbs school.

Well... not now we don't.

"Well we didn't play very well.. but I don't want to say that and take away from what they accomplished." - Fuente.

Sorry, but this just flat out pisses me off. "We fucking sucked, from the coaches to the players to the entire staff. Our fans deserve better," is what should be coming out of Fuentes mouth.

This loss couldn't more embarrassing and damaging to this program. It's going to screw us for years, from a donation and recruiting perspective to just a vibe on campus. I've got tix to the ND game and I'm questioning even going. The vibe around campus for Bill and Mary was frankly, dull, what's it going to be like after this dud? Fuente needs to show some fire and accountability. At least Bud came out and flat out said it was on him.

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Secondly, from a completely humorous perspective, Fuente's voice sounds exactly like the Big Lebowksi.

"I've got some information! New shit has come to light, man."

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

Yeah, that rug could've really tied the game together.

I'm just pissed off that I won't get a gif of Peoples' long TD in Giftory. He had the game of his life and it gets lost in this oil drum full of hot feces.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

And we're most likely going to end up in This Week in Schadenfreude.

"Never half-ass two things. Whole-ass one thing."
-Ron Swanson

"11-0, bro"
-Hunter Carpenter (probably)

Is Bud Foster still with us? Sure is a lot of Swiss cheese in that lunch pail.

ODU will win the ACC Coastal this year

Maybe NOW WE STOP FUCKING WEARING THE ORANGE FUCIKNG UNI FUCKING FORMS.

to/dr- FUCKING ORANGE.

Leonard. Duh.

might as well keep wearing em now. I hope everybody enjoyed the Beamer years cause this program is done. Whoever had the grand idea to schedule this shitpile game ought to get fired even if it is Whit. Winning a game at ODU is not gonna help recruiting there a bit. Losing one? U might as well set fire to it. But what I'm more concerned about is this not being just an upset, but exposing us as a really bad team. We've beaten tougher UVA teams in the last few years than FSU. That game means nothing.

The team is weak. They couldn't rise to the occasion over and over to get a stop to get a win against a terrible team. Instead they got penalty after penalty. Unsportsmanlike and personal fouls. I don't mean to trash ODU but we all know what they've done all year. They were actually pretty good a couple years ago, which makes the scheduling of this game even dumber. Anyway, let's get excited for Duke. That sounds like a great time.

If you can't beat ODU then you can't beat duke whose a better team. The game will be a blow out.

If you can't beat Liberty then you can't beat Virginia Tech who's a better team. The game will be a blowout.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Liberty is better than Tech as we just figured out. Better recruits and better coaching obviously since they man handled ODU unlike we did.

You're the conclusion of people who actually take transitive property of football memes seriously.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Agreed!

I was joking. I'm as interested in watching the Duke game as I am watching grass grow.

I'd hate to see what the 247 boards look like right now. I'd guess the entire coaching staff should be canned, JJ should have his scholarship revoked, and QP should be instated as player-coach for the remainder of the season until we can hire away Kirby Smart (because Saban is too old at this point).

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

As previously stated many times every coach can be blamed. The coach I am really questioning is Cornelsen. His play calling is baffling at best. This game really showcased how out of touch with the flow of the game he is. We were up 28-21 after a drive that was 11 plays for 84 yards. 10 of those players were runs for 68 yards. After we scored, the defense forced a 3 and out. We came back out on o and JJ ran for 6 yards on 1st down, 2nd and 4 and 3rd and 4 we tried passing with no success. JJ was pressured on both. Before 2nd down the previous 12 plays had 11 runs for 74 yards. We were averaging 6.7 ypc since the previous drive. On 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 4 why did we not continue running the ball? They took over after our 3 and out and tied the game up on a 9 play 65 yard drive and never looked back after that. We had a chance to put the dagger in them and the play calling killed us. Once they tied it up at 28 they had the momentum. We gave them hope. This game sucked. end rant.

1-0 every week

Sometimes it isn't just on the OC when you have a QB who couldn't be less effective running the offense. JJ misses open throws, completely doesn't see or attempt to hit wide open receivers, is terrible at reading RPOs, has zero pocket awareness, and any throw over 20 yds is a 50/50 ball. Not a lot of play calls that lend themselves into that wheelhouse.

While JJ's struggles you mentioned are all true, it still doesn't explain why on 2nd and 4 or 3rd and 4, when we were averaging 6.7 yards on the previous 11 carries, that Cornelsen didn't call a run. I could go on a rant about JJ but I'll save it and just say I hope he has a full and speedy recovery.

1-0 every week

I've been conditioned to expect long stretches of poor play/play calling from the offense at inopportune times. It's one of the things that makes VT football VT football. But the most alarming thing about this to me is this: can anyone remember a Bud Foster defense not showing up? Not getting outmatched, out talented, etc. but just plain not showing up?? Cause I sure can't.
Beyond pissed and reevaluating everything about what I consider important in life. You all might see me later. You might not. I'm honestly not sure I can keep being an invested sports fan if it brings me this much pain.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Kelly had the guts to change QBs:

Notre Dame changes QBs, wins big
Notre Dame's offense has struggled to get going through three games, so coach Brian Kelly is made a change. Ian Book started vs. the Demon Deacons with Brandon Wimbush sitting on the bench. Book is more of a true passer and Wake Forest has one of the worst pass defenses in the ACC (8.2 yards per attempt).

Book threw for 325 yards and two touchdowns, ran three more in on his own and likely locked up the starting quarterback job moving forward as the Fighting Irish rolled to a 56-27 win.

Year 3 is coming up!

I have offense envy. I think it's part of being a VT fan. "Man, did you see that drive? They had like 8 first downs AND still managed to get a touchdown!"

But wasn't fixing the offense the reason we hired Fuente? Right now it looks like a steaming pile. Our OL was trash, we couldn't pass, our WRs can't catch, our QB has lead feet and slow reads himself into sacks and our only gains came off missed defensive assignments and QB scrambles. It's like we took everything bad about offense from 2005-2012, put it in a blender and said, hey huge improvement. The execution is terrible and the playcalling is worse.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

I see your point and I agree. Kelly will roll the dice with another guy - even though Wimbush was undefeated, Kelly still wanted more. At Notre Dame, you gotta pull that trigger early and maybe often. The floor of acceptable performance there is still pretty high.

Fuente has a history of choosing a young player and sticking with him for years. I think Paxton Lynch and Andy Dalton were both guys he wanted to develop from their freshman years all the way through their senior years, and I think both were the starters for the entire (or almost entire) careers at their schools.

But at Memphis (and at the time, maybe also TCU) no one was going to be upset if it took two or three years until Lynch (or Dalton) was good. Fuente walked into a bad program and made it great, and no one noticed they were bad because Memphis had been historically bad - until, all of the sudden, they were good. A four year overnight success story.

In Blacksburg, we notice immediately if we don't look good. Shorter leash. Willie Taggart and Scott Frost are experiencing the same thing I think. Kelly already knows how to handle it.

But this is even the Beamer way
what happened to the unknown talent development we were known for.
why cant a player develop off the field. Jake Grove was that player at VT
Why cant we tell a player that isnt a 5 star starter that he's going to learn the VT to be the best he can be his jr/sr year

I brought one of my 3 week old twin sons home from the hospital today (they were 7 weeks premature and the other one still has a week in the NICU). It's just a game, and while I wish we'd won it, I'm not going to waste any anger on it. It's just not really that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.

Congrats. Hope everything is going well with the second one

My analogy for the game and this team: Today at halftime my 2.5 week old son blew out his diaper and pissed and shit all over his mini VT Jersey. That was gross and generally unpleasant, but it got cleaned up.

That Jersey will now be washed and back on him for the Duke game next week while we all hope it doesn't happen again!

While our team isn't quite as young as my son, they can still crap their pants and piss on their leg from time to time. Hopefully as they all get a little more mature, things are less shitty.

I still don't know how good this team is.

FSU - Sucks
W&M - They're W&M
We played like shit against ODU. It was the typical not respecting your opponent and coming out not ready to play while the other team is playing like it is the super bowl. We are obviously better than how we played yesterday and this team just got a BIG time lesson.

Honestly, Duke will tell us a lot about this team.

We played like shit against ODU. It was the typical not respecting your opponent and coming out not ready to play while the other team is playing like it is the super bowl. We are obviously better than how we played yesterday and this team just got a BIG time lesson.

Exactly this. I think the week off hurt us more than playing. We had two weeks possibly started looking at Duke and figured we'd walk through this game with little effort and come out with a W (which we should have).

ODU came out to win. It's the biggest game they have all year. It's a speed bump on our way to conference play. That absolutely showed yesterday.

I think it speaks to how young the defense is and some of them probably thought they would just out talent ODU. Shows you still need to show up to play. Hopefully a wale up call for the rest of the season.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Fucking kill me

I'll add another concern to my many after the ODU debacle. Coach Vice is not getting the job done with the offensive line. Even on a bad day Tech's line should easily handle ODU's pass rush.

Lots of this. I hate the shuffling Oline thing he does. The Oline needs to jell as a unit and shuffling in and out does nothing to help that.

What's
Important
Now

I do like hearing this from Fuente:

"I told them, 'I liked you guys a lot better when everybody told you you were terrible,'" Virginia Tech coach Justin Fuente said about his team. "'When everybody told you you didn't have any chance in that first game, and all you did was work your tails off.' And then now we get all feeling good about ourselves, and we got brought back down to earth. We got what we deserved."

AP Game Recap via ESPN

I had been thinking that we looked a little cocky in our first few weeks. Having a bit of swagger doesn't hurt, but I thought we were a bit too young to have the attitude that we were going to show up and beat teams. I didn't expect this to be the game where it bit us, but it was going to happen sooner or later.

I'm calling this a course correction on discipline and work ethic and hopefully we'll right the ship.

So the weaknesses we all thought we had preseason and then didn't think we had after FSU are actually there, CB and LB.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Well, now that I've slept on it...

We lost the game by getting outplayed. At halftime, ODU had already "won" by far exceeding the day's expectations. They played the entire second half with house money.

You could feel it in the air in the third quarter that ODU was going to have a special night. Our defense looked uncomfortable all game. Players not set, players looking confused and LaRoussa had an amazing night. His passes were accurate and the receivers made some good plays.

The biggest thing I noticed was we almost never pressured him. No penetration into the backfield. And the run game would drawn to the middle and Cox would bounce outside where there was no one to stop him.

All that said, the sky is not falling, the season is not over. We are undefeated in ACC play. We need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and move on to the next one.

I kept waking up last night thinking the game was a nightmare... Nope, we really lost by 2 touchdowns to ODU... I hate sports

VT 12'... Exit light, Enter night.

Man two weeks without Hokie football sucks.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Farley needs to get some tackling advice from Flowers ASAP

I wasn't able to watch (curses CBS) or even listen so I don't know what really happened. But it sounds from the stats that ODU changed QB's and then exploited our secondary who realistically has little to no experience. They need to learn in a hurry, because every ACC coordinator just starting salivating.

I was going to wait a few days to watch, but I couldnt sleep so I watched it, twice now. I dont even know where to begin....

We should have treated this team like a 2 dollar whore and instead we ended up falling asleep (almost literally...) while she stole our entire wallet and left.

At this point, I'm ready to see what Willis or Hooker has to offer. Sure JJ has done some decent stuff for us, but none of that matters anymore. It's in the past and it didnt get us any banners to hang. This loss will hurt us for YEARS.

Honestly if we dont come out flying against Duke and massacre them, then I worry about our bowl streak. And losing that is 100% unacceptable to me.

I still love you guys. I'm going to bed....

Warning- Filter lost.

"Look at this... This is just spectacular.... These people are losing their minds"

FREE THE "STICK IT IN" CHANT!!!

The fact we are legitimately worried at the bowl streak coming off arguably the worst loss in program history in Year 3 where we should be starting to see the team progress to where Fuente wants us is horrifyingly worrisome.

Youth on D still wins you games against lowly squads like ODU. There is something fundamentally wrong here.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

You hit the nail on the head. You can't just shrug this one off as "guys we're young and inexperienced, we will grow from this." If we are truly supposed to be a program that is building toward competing for ACC titles and playoff spots, you don't lose to ODU. What we saw yesterday was entirely unacceptable and will set us back exponentially with recruiting.

There is also no short week excuse this time like there was with JMU. We had a healthy team coming off a week off and... Inexplicably lost. Good teams don't do that. Healthy programs don't do that.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Don't forget, we also had Tyrod, RMFW, David Wilson, etc

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

I'll add another concern to my many after the ODU debacle. Coach Vice is not getting the job done with the offensive line. Even on a bad day Tech's line should easily handle ODU's pass rush

#FUENTEenFUEGO
Waho's suck
Uva swallows

I am sorry but giving the ODU coaches all this credit for game plan is a crock. Their one bit of brilliance was putting in Larussa, and then trying a jump ball on the outside. That then became their game plan. One on one on the outside, throw it to either #7 or #9. Foster never adjusted to a solid zone. He never changed the personnel types on the field to be able to play double coverage. He would rather stack the box, not get any pressure on the QB and not even stuff the runner because he would either drag guys three or four yards or bounce outside after stopping at the line. Regardless, after one quarter the adjustments should have been made to force ODU to beat us on the ground. Instead they did neither. Yes I agree the offense should have been better but its unforgivable to allow ODU 632 yards of offense. #7 and #9 combined for 330 of the 495 yards that Larussa threw for. THEME MUCH???

Foster's legacy and resume speaks for itself, but in recent history, his unit has been the biggest boom or bust from week to week. When his gameplan works, we completely shut you down. When it doesn't, we get gashed. There is no median. He is entirely break but don't bend. Even a mediocre to relatively poor defensive performance yesterday would have likely won the game for us.

While I agree with your general sentiment that allowing 632 yards of offense to ODU is inexcusable, it isn't accurate that Bud didn't try to adjust.

Multiple coverages and looks up front were put out there. Personnel was shifted some (not a ton). At the end of the day, the players did an awful job in zone or simply didn't make a play when a 50/50 ball was thrown up. Add the piss poor tackling by the entire team and you have what we saw.

I'm not saying Bud gets a pass, but its very shortsighted to say he didn't make adjustments... they were made.

Is it football season yet?

At least This Week in Schadenfreude and the NSFW meltdown on rollbamaroll should be entertaining and feature some familiar names ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Losing to ODU is the worst loss in school history. Inexcusable and unforgivable. The players didn't show up.

The coaching staff got out-coached.

Future opponents will watch yesterday's tape and do the same stuff to us.

The only good that can come from this is that the players learn they can' t take any opponent lightly.

If you think this was the worst loss in school history you really should look back at the history books more.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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It definitely isn't the worst loss in school history, but it's up there. Top 3 IMO just for how many recruits were in the stands. JMU and Temple were 'worse' losses but this loss has the potential to stunt the program for longer than either other losses did.

How is it not? The JMU loss was really bad, but that was off a short week after a tough game so there is *some* semblance of an excuse.

They had an extra week to prepare for ODU, were 28.5 point favorites and lost by two touchdowns.

Bottom line is that the players and the coaching staff didn't show up.

- What the hell were the coaches doing the past two weeks?

-Why were the team's effort and discipline so poor?

-Why did the team fold at the first sign of adversity? What happened to "Hard. Smart. Tough."?

- How is VT supposed to eventually become a playoff contender when they lose to ODU level teams?

How is VT supposed to eventually become a playoff contender when they lose to ODU level teams?

VT is never going to be a playoff contender. You need to recruit at a top 10 level to even get close and that will never happen.

VT is a solid top 15-20 program. Even our 'peak' years in the early 2000s was around the Top 10, never the top 5. We might as well accept that the playoffs is infeasible and concentrate on the ACC.

What's nice is under the current postseason model if you focus on winning your conference you've set yourself up to at least be in the conversation for the playoff. Now we'd probably be seeded 4th and get pantsed by Saban's Deathstar, but it's not as infeasible as making a BCS championship game was.

Edit: I don't mean this to imply that we'd make it this season even if we won the ACC. This is more for future seasons.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

if we're going to "accept that we will never make the playoff" just fold the damn program already. That right there is the losing mentality that plagues this program and keeps us from ever being a contender. Every loss is excused, mediocrity becomes accepted and suddenly 20 years down the line you have a .500 team playing in front of a half filled apathetic Lane Stadium wondering how you got here.

Always strive to be better. Always set the goal at the mountaintop so that when opportunity knocks you can answer. Now I'm not saying we ever will reach that goal, but never, ever allow yourself to accept anything less. Losses like yesterday should have you pissed off as a fan, and especially if you're a Hokie Club member or someone with season tickets. Too much money is invested in this program to see it gradually backsliding like it has been.

"Some days you’re a horse and some days you’re a horse’s ass. I’ve been a horse’s ass for a little while." - Roy Halladay

Look, I agree on principle, but I'm being realistic here.

VT is firmly in the 20-30 for any appreciable football ranking. Top 20-30 highest paid coach, top 20-30 recruiting class, top 20-30 payroll, top 20-30 facilities. You can strive to be better all you want, but the numbers don't lie. You don't reach the playoffs without 5 star talent and 5 star depth. We were overachieving for most seasons under Beamer as well considering the payroll and recruiting classes.

I 100% agree we should be pissed by this loss. You can look at my post history if you don't believe me. I'm livid. What I'm trying to say is we are not going to reach the playoffs with our current coaching staff and program culture. This is not a program heading towards reaching playoff status. You don't have to look further than yesterday to see why.

Is it acceptable? Absolutely not. But NOTHING I have witnessed the past 3-5 years has convinced me we are more than just an ACC Coastal contender with the occasional ACCCG opportunity. Beamer spoiled us with our magical 1998-2011 run, but the fact of the matter is that those days are over.

We are a good football team. Being ranked in the 20s is amazing, but the program as a whole has a ceiling as of now and the ACCCG is it. That does not mean we shouldn't strive to win it all and strive to win better but expecting the playoffs is just setting yourself up for disappointment IMO.

edit: also, here's an interesting read which corroborates why I feel that programs like VT will never reach the playoffs: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-expect-college-footballs-elite...

The gap is getting wider every year.

How is Clemson doing it?

They have a similar size fan base with similar financial resources.

Recruiting.

Our previous coaching staff wasn't good at recruiting. The current coaching staff isn't good at recruiting.

Games like ODU push our recruiting schedule significantly back as well.

He's asking how they went from mediocre to great

Recruit Prosim

Same way VT did in the late 90s under Beamer. Generational talent and inspired coaching. Problem is we never really capitalized on it after the '99 ACCCG, eventually lost out on recruits and sort of flatlined. Clemson seem to be building something special and that starts at the grassroots recruiting level.

They have a larger more concentrated fan base, bring in more money from more donors and fund less sports.
A great example is their band, it's fully funded by donations to the point they offer scholarships, Tech doesn't come close to that level of commitment.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Clemson has institutionally decided to just go all in on football. They recognize that football is the most popular and most profitable athletic venture they offer, so they concentrate and focus on that effort. Double down on what brings in the revenue.

VT is trying for an overall successful athletic department fielding numerous sports, a la a UNC/UVa, and doesn't have the financial resources to even come close to that. I'm not saying which approach is best, but Clemson knows where their bread and butter is, and it's a model that works for them.

Do we want to compete with UVA for Commonwealth Clash wins and bragging over who has the most national titles in rowing? Or do we want to focus our financial energies on football and compete with Clemson for ACC titles and playoff spots. That is the question we should ask. I think once we entered the ACC, we went on a quest to beat UVA at everything and have been after that ever since.

That answer is very clear from my end, and likely everyone on this site, but it would hurt a lot of others

Recruit Prosim

VT Athletics are Part of Auxiliary Enterprise Programs.

Auxiliaries are required to be self-supporting, no state general funds or capital appropriations are provided for these projects. These projects will be funded by a combination of private gifts, student fees, other customer revenues, and debt financing
Included in that is Student Housing, Parking, And Athletics plus a few others
Auxiliary enterprises Generated $252 Million in revenue in 2017 at Tech. The growth in auxiliary enterprise revenue ($7.6 million or 3.1%) follows the increasing student population and reflects the high level of satisfaction with the services provided by the auxiliaries

Tech doesnt Breakout Athletics to well in my once over. For U of Tennessee (its about the same spending and income) half of Aux Income and Expenses went to Athletics at Tennessee.

Student Athletic Fees in general go to Olympic sports to fund those operation. So VT has about $130M in spending for athletics. Though it could be bigger that does seem like it would be good start

Parking Services at Tennessee had income of $10 million

As someone who was actually a student at Clemson for a (shitty) year, I can confirm that they emphasize football over most other things. The dorms and classrooms there were generally either downtrodden or downright falling apart. The walls in my dorm were made of tin. I visited VT and Vawter Hall that year which was a goddamn palace compared to my dorm. The pool was broken for the first semester I was there and the varsity swim team disbanded. They had one gym for students that was small and lacked equipment. Meanwhile the football team has gotten brand new facilities with their own waterpark or something along with nice dorms/apartments.

I'd like to compete in every sport, especially football & basketball, but I would rather lose every football game than sell out the rest of the VT student experience like Clemson has.

Outside its night time, but inside its LeDay

South Carolina had one $1 million donor when Steve Spurrier took the head coaching job in 2005. (Martha Williams and Howard Brice, who left some of their estate to USC for stadium renovation and expansion.) Somewhere there's a interview with him on how he knew that this needed to change, and on the football side he made sure to make this a priortiy. In 2014, the Gamecocks had a dozen or more

Now known as English Field at Union Park, the stadium will be upgraded substantially, with help from $3.5 million committed by the Richmond-based Union Bank.

I thought we were talking about Clemson.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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we are, but the idea we are being hurt financially by not concentrating on football isn't true as we got major sponsorship and funding for, not basketball, but a Baseball operation

Why?

Why do we always say this

Let me dig this out of my archives

For the purpose of salary comparisons, the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia identifies institutions with academic profiles similar to Virginia Tech's.

University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Davis
University of Colorado, Boulder
Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
University of Florida, Gainesville
University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Iowa State University, Ames
University of Maryland, College Park
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Michigan State University, East Lansing
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
University of Missouri, Columbia
North Carolina State University, Raleigh
The Ohio State University, Columbus
Pennsylvania State University, University Park
University of Pittsburgh
Purdue University, West Lafayette, Ind.
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey, New Brunswick
State University of New York at Buffalo
University of Southern California, Los Angeles
Stony Brook University, State University of New York
Texas A&M University, College Station
University of Texas at Austin
University of Washington, Seattle
University of Wisconsin, Madison

So is our Athletic Dept under-preforming the Academics

Was it 2 or 3 years ago the whole thing came out about former players and how they've been treated.

South Carolina had one $1 million donor when Steve Spurrier took the head coaching job in 2005. (Martha Williams and Howard Brice, who left some of their estate to USC for stadium renovation and expansion.) Somewhere there's a interview with him on how he knew that this needed to change, and on the football side he made sure to make this a priortiy. In 2014, the Gamecocks had a dozen or more

Clemson has the similar fans as VT.
Close Finances.
2 teams so close. VT had won 4 ACC titles since Clemsons last the 1991 Title

And that is the ENTIRE problem. in 2007 - Oct 2010 we thought we were on the same level as Clemson.

All VT waS LikE

"Maybe VT's ceiling will never be Bama's But Clemson and VT are two good schools in the ACC #ESPNLOVESSEC #NOACCLOVE #DaUbackYet"

Clemson has earned everybit of the last 7 years because in 2010 they wanted to change things and start with the ACC championship with a Major upset

Dabo came in with a team in about the same spot as VT i think

While we were living on hype. Clemson was always getting better.

Dabo 10 years coaching Clemson, 6 ACC Championship Games, 4 ACC championships, 3 Playoff Berths, 2 Championship Game, 1 National Championship Trophy

Anyone else notice that techs social media hasn't posted the final score or anything at all since the game ended? Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, etc

Y'all think it was bad for you? After watching that game I had to go watch Kyle Busch win a race in person...again...

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

But that's a good thing . . .

If you were a true Kyle Busch fan this should have been your response

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

Kyle Busch has won every Sprint Cup race I've ever attended.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Sooooo, there is a grey area. How many have you been to? One? Many?

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

I've been to a few races at Richmond. Kyle Busch has won all of them. I think he won the spring race 4 or 5 years in a row.

"For those who have passed, for those to come, reach for excellence."

Yeah...he has won a lot there that's for sure. I don't hate him exactly, I think I just hate that he is so good and a toolbag. But that's also why people like him.

If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous! With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid...

So....how's everybody doing this morning?

A few quick thoughts:
- WRs sucked ass. I could point the finger at Hazelton, cause he stood out, but Kumah had some bad plays.
- Defense missed Deablo. Hunter played wide eyed, and Ladler was out of position, a lot.
- Cunningham had a great game, except the penalty.
- Keene had a great game
- RBs showed some old school VT running back mojo, loved it
- We still put up 35. Willis looked good in relief even in a tough situation, and added a touchdown.
- Attitude. Our attitude sucked when we got down, and it never got back up.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Honest question, has Keene played a bad game? He always looks like he's got his shit together

This season, no, I don't think so. Early last year he had plenty of true freshman moments in the first half of the season, but nearly everyone does.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

My thoughts this morning haven't changed from my previous post, they're worse if anything. Thinking about how many recruits were in the stands makes me a little sick. Pure arrogance from the athletics department for scheduling ODU as a 757 showoff and pure arrogance from the coaching staff for taking the game lightly.

The stakes were too high if we lost, and our worst nightmare has come true.

Two weeks in a row with no hokie football is rough. Can't wait till we play again.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Only saving grace from yesterday is at least it wasnt LOLUVA

VT Twitter strikes again!

"I thought the kid right there you're talking to right there played his nuts off."

It's like a robot vacuum that keeps killing all the pets.

Surely something can be done about this.

Anyone have a screenshot? Seems they deleted it.

Loss feels even worse this morning, feel hungover almost. No matter if it was the worst loss the team has had or not in history (which isn't even important to talk about, I'm interested in the team today, not the one in the past) it's the worst loss in an era where we are expected to do better and it's the worst los since social media has really became a KEY part of any team. This is the worst loss as far as how it'll change the view of our program this year and beyond. History books don't matter. Yes, I know Twitter was technically around back when we lost to JMU, but nowadays it's so important in program perception, recruiting, and much more. Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't see the impact it has. I'm just numb and I'm tired of seeing fellow Hokie fans say I'm being fair weather. I'm still going to support the team forever, obviously, but anyone who doesn't feel this gutted needs to step down and really think about why they're okay with this. There's really no excuse for the loss and there's really no point in comparing this team in 2018 to bad losses in the past. Everything is different now. I hope we can recover and at least have a good season but will be dealing with this for years to come and it's sad. #BeatDuke

A Hokie living in Tennessee.

I have 3 favorite teams. VT, Kentucky, and whoever the hell is playing Tennessee.

Agreed, I have this weird gut feeling that this may be the end of hokie football. People won't donate money after this, big time recruits will stay away and our current high commits will probably de commit. Scary stuff

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

This apocalyptic attitude has to stop. I'm not saying you are, but these posts are starting to seem more like trolling than an actual concern.

You're not fairweather at all....I totally get where you're coming from and it makes total sense. Just imagine how disappointing the Drive for 25 fundraiser next weekend might be.

I'm wondering is part of the teams problem that Fuente takes the fun out of the game? Even when working your tail off to get better and win a position or playing time there has to be some joy in the work. Fuente seems to be short in the joy in the work factor. I hope I'm voicing a nonissue.

Hm, what makes you think this?

Do you think Nick Saban's team has "fun"?

"What are you going to do, stab me? - Quote from Man Stabbed

Press conference getting ready to start on FB

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Do we need to send the commonwealth cup to ODU now?!? Asking for a friend! (This is the vent thread right?!?)

Well they lost to Liberty this year so they aren't going to be champions of the commonwealth, no? I guess we ship it to Lynchburg. But Liberty also plays UVA and Norfolk State this year so it might end up there, too.

This sounds worthwhile to track lol!

Need a tiebreaker system etc with points. We doing actual points or points against the spread?

3 points for a win, 2 for a win in OT, 1 for a loss in OT, 0 for a loss in RT