Analysis and Discussion of Virginia Tech's 2017 Recruiting Class

It's national signing day y'all.

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Fire up the fax machines. It's national signing day and french60wasp is on-hand to answer any X's and O's related questions about Virginia Tech's 2017 class. On top of that, TKP's resident member of Team Pie will provide an initial analysis of each Hokies' signee.

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Expect more in-depth film reviews on Virginia Tech Tech's class of '17 to be published in the coming weeks. Please use the thread to ask questions related to Tech recruiting or Hokies' football. Some will be answered today, and the ones that lend themselves to more thorough thoughts will get a stand alone analysis. This is an opportunity for TKPers, via excellent questions, to help dictate some of the offseason articles published on TKP.

french60wasp's Instant(-ish) Analysis of Virginia Tech's 2017 Signees

Tyuan Garbutt (DE, 6-3, 220): Terrific athlete. Attacks the football, great high point. More natural hand-catcher than Kalil Pimpleton and Caleb Farley. Has good speed for a big man. Garbutt has great edge speed, but film shows great reliance on his athleticism to get around the edge and given his skill set and level of competition, production should have been higher. Very little use of leverage moves. Likes to stand up and plays very high.

Aiden Brown (OL, 6-3, 285): For my money, Brown's a guard all the way. Displays terrific quick feet. Light on his feet and keeps them moving. Doesn't plant to drive. The are concerns though. He doesn't get immediate explosive movement on blocks. He has to engage and gets knock downs by keeping his feet moving and running through the defender when they start to lose their balance which indicates that he needs work on lower body strength, especially explosion lifts (power clean). Displays very stiff hips, high pad level. Doesn't get his head in great position despite being quick enough to get the proper angle.

Drake DeIuliis (TE, 6-5, 220): Very little film from his senior year (and the tape quality is not stellar). Deiuliis projects as a hybrid wide receiver, H-Back who can actively line up split wide and in the slot. Several clips of him as a read-option quarterback. Deiuliis does a good job of high pointing the football and taking it away from smaller corners on fade routes. His blocking isn't featured on the film and is an unknown to him playing as an every down H-Back. Will likely be a situational big receiver who can block corners on screens and be targeted on routes where he can take advantage of his size matchup over smaller corners. His quarterback runs are not dynamic, but show that he is strong enough to get some yards after catch.

Dylan Rivers (LB, 6-3, 230): Bigger and more athletic than any recent Tech mike linebacker recruit. Has frame to play comfortably at 235-plus. Assertive once he gets down hill. Physical tackler. Has range and can drop back into zones. Does tend to cross over moving laterally instead of shuffling and often tackles too high. By comparison, Rayshard Ashby has better form, but Rivers is the better athlete in space. Does a nice job of fitting, protecting his body to bounce off blocks and redirect. Is the biggest bull on the field — can he do that against ACC-caliber offensive linemen?

Rayshard Ashby (LB, 5-11, 230) : Very good form tackler bundled in a small build (seemingly without much more room to grow). Gets low. Every tackle is around the waist or lower. Doesn't play violent, but runners do not escape his arms. Gets downhill quickly. Not sure if he is instinctive, only has one-gap responsibility. Not a great athlete so he will be limited in space. Takes false steps when he attacks the run — great if he anticipates the correct gap, feet could get tied up if runner bounces or cuts back. Problems if he has to drop into zones. Can he back pedal versus a seam route to the field? Bud Foster has a good history with ballhawking smaller mikes that can play down hill.

Nathan Proctor (DE, 6-3, 230): I am in the minority on this, but I believe he could be an excellent backer. He moves, fills, sheds, and runs very similarly to Tremaine Edmunds at the same point of their careers. And Edmunds is becoming a much more fluid and natural backer with experience. Proctor doesn't look entirely comfortable yet as a hand-on-the-ground defensive end, edge rusher. He doesn't get that first step and redirect flat down the line, but he's athletic enough to learn. Explosive high-end athlete. Given Edmunds' production and role at his size, I believe Proctor could still factor at backer, especially with Tech's class having so many DEs. Has the frame to bulk up if his destination is on the edge of the front-four.

Hezekiah Grimsley (WR, 6-0, 180): Does a nice job high-pointing the football. Has long arms and a knack for timing the jump on the ball. Produces nice yards after the catch. Shifty, although not the quickest guy in space. Route running is suspect and does not cut sharply. Patient. Doesn't put ball in outside arm. Plays bigger than listed size.

Bryce Watts (DB 6-1, 185): Athletic, long corner, raw. Has some experience playing leverage technique. Has some nice break ups; uses his reach well to play the ball. Has some bad habits with footwork, especially playing off/slot/safety where he isn't in small space. At one point instead of changing direction on a crossing route, spins around, which takes his eyes off the ball and turns his back to play to create even more separation. Could be productive, especially in a boundary role, but will not see the field initially. Coaches obviously thought highly of him and devoted a ton of effort to his recruitment even after his commitment to Rutgers.

Christian Darrisaw (OL, 6-4, 299): Similar to 2015 signee D'Andre Plantin. Undersized, long player with great feet. Uses his athleticism to get good angles. Needs to add strength. Likes to deliver a blow with a punch, but doesn't bring his feet with him. Won't bench press D-I guys. Reports are that he will prep a year. Really needs to work on bend and lower body strength during his prep year.

Jaylen Griffin (LB, 6-2, 230): Seems undersized on film. Plays in a similar traditional whip role (wide, on slot against spread, on edge of line of scrimmage in space). Quick first step and can bend to the football. Fast player who can run past and through reach blocks. Given how much nickel Virginia Tech runs, not sure he can cover well enough to be a whip, but will likely start there as an option against pro-packages/heavy personnel (similar to Anthony Shegog's role). Will he be a bandit in dime? Special teams ace. Terrific first step on kick and punt blocks. Lays out, arms together so no space to kick through. His athleticism and tackling should translate well to kick off coverage.

Devon Hunter (DB, 6-2, 215): Prototypical rover in Foster's scheme. Terrific athlete. Strong, physical tackler in space. Uses appropriate leverage and good angles in space. Rangy and was tasked to read plays sideline-to-sideline (won't do that in most coverages at Virginia Tech). Expect he will be good in the alley. Gets caught looking into the backfield. Excellent recovery on film, but will be tough to recover against Power Five tight end/slot threats off quick play-action vertical seam routes. Too stiff to cover man-to-man versus split receivers, which lends himself to play rover over an early nickel or free safety role. (Very good running back, but doesn't always switch arms.)

Jalen Holston (RB, 6-0, 220): Played fullback in a flexbone offense. North-south runner with great speed for a bigger bodied back. Very good feet, although he isn't a guy who will make people miss going east-west, but he runs with high knees so he can step through ankle tackles without getting tripped. Lots of quick hitters on film, slides laterally off blocks. Really nice vision to avoid his blockers. Runs through tackles. Similar stature to Marshawn Williams, but a healthy Juice (pre first ACL) was quicker cutting off zone blocks. Holston has a tendency to stop to cut and doesn't get out of that break as quickly. Several nice catches with his hands off boot action. Has to block and catch in Virginia Tech's offense. More of a battering ram/straight-line threat. In Justin Fuente's scheme, he could thrive by way of linebackers schemed out of position (or running over them), rather than getting wide to the sideline.

Lecitus Smith (TE, 6-4, 260): Tackle eligible passes anyone? Good hands catcher, but seemingly will transition to the offensive line. Nice feet. Moves well. Stance is a bit over the toes though. Concerns about his arm length and pop/extension. Needs to shorten his strides when engaging as a blocker. Good angles and head placement. Feet pause briefly at contact and he has to run through blocks. Recovers well. Needs to add lower body strength.

Devante Smith (DB, 6-0, 190): Senior highlights feature quarterback play. Long strides, nice change of direction. Long lean kid. Will have to learn the nuance of safety — physical and disciplined enough to be a rover — good enough in coverage to be a free safety. Communication as a former QB shouldn't be quite the challenge.

Robert Porcher IV (DE, 6-3, 255): Porcher was incredibly productive for Dr. Phillips HS, where he set the school career record in sacks. He has long arms and does a terrific job of attacking opposing offensive lineman with his hands, dictating the blocking angle, and then using a leverage move to get off the block. He is polished in terms of beating blocks with leverage and his brain. Porcher can bend his body to create a small target to shoot a gap and then get big to fit in the gap and give the ball carrier nowhere to go. Porcher doesn't have the quickest first step, but has great timing for getting off on the snap. Almost without exception he moves before the blocker does on the snap. Porcher also has big legs and good lower body power. As a defensive end, he could be a solid player right away. He will likely grow into a defensive tackle and he will need to add some upper body strength and size.

J'Bril Glaze (DL, 6-4, 270): Glaze played as a 3-4 defensive end in high school and was a very effective two-gap player. He depends more on running through blockers than beating them with quickness and leverage. He has violent hands when he uses them. Because he doesn't have terrific speed, he needs to maintain his leverage and come back with a second move after he gains the initial advantage. He redirects off of blocks and finds the football well, and can pursue flat down the line. As evidenced against Arkansas, having a defensive tackle that can beat a center's down block and work flat down the line to the football is critical in Foster's scheme against power blocking. Glaze needs to use better pad level. After his second step he is almost standing upright. He has to maintain his forward momentum and balance while giving blockers a smaller target. Glaze will need to use his freshman year to focus on adding lower body strength and working on his pad level. Charley Wiles has been very good at identifying "good fit" defensive tackles.

Sean Savoy (WR, 5-11, 180): This kid has speed to burn and an attitude too. He is slotted as a wide receiver, and he likely will be one, but I liked his corner film even more when he was a junior. He is a bit raw technique wise, but he has great hips, attacks the football, and has great closing speed. Plus, the kid gets his nose in there and lays a lick. As a senior, he played more at safety and has great range at that spot. I was surprised that he was listed at 5'11" because he doesn't look that tall. If he sticks at wide receiver, he can be an immediate contributor from the slot. He is a violent runner that strides quickly after the catch. He gets north and south quickly and burns by people. It was difficult to evaluate his route running, but he always seemed to be wide open, which made catches easy. He is very effective on clear out routes, where the other receivers run vertical routes to clear things out and then he settles down underneath the coverage. He isn't a big receiver but he high points the football really well and catches with his hands instead of his belly. He wasn't utilized as much in the running game as other slot receiver options like Pimpleton, but Cam Phillips and C.J. Carroll were not guys who we expected to get carries on jet sweeps and both got important touches in that role.

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The amount of coverage and in-depth reviews that you're going to get for today is ridiculous.

Anyways, I can't wait to see who we get today. The future is happening for this program, and it's happening fast.

I like the breakdown of each recruit

Thank you

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Today's the day

To the guys who send in their letters today:

and

To our competitors:

Today is going to be a good day

"Give me a fu¢king beer", Anonymous Genius

Yes! Today is the day! NSD #STATEMENT17

Let's Go

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First year I've really gotten into recruiting. So excited for the Hokies this year!

Unfortunately I'll be sleeping during most of the action, but I'll actually be looking forward to going to work tomorrow so I can read all the new threads and analysis. That was the reason I joined because its such a great way to spend the work day.

Good morning everyone. Finished the films of all the likely' last night. Keep in mind that's Debose won't announce until tomorrow and Robinson is also delaying his announcement.

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Friday.

In regards to Debose and Robinson's delay: Is there an issue with the number of VT scholarships available at the end of today where their delay could be bad for them and the good guys?

Pain is Temporary
Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever
Let's Go Hokies!!

DeBose is announcing on his mom's birthday. Robinson want to take visits

VT has room.

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Excited to check in throughout the day and I appreciate the effort from TKP.

I hope the VT community focuses on the new Hokies that sign, and move on from those that don't.
There's a lot of young men making important decisions today and we don't know the back stories/pressures that came in to play.

Go Hokies!

Well said. I agree. Been a dyed -in-the-wool Hokie fan for 60+ years. Most excited I've ever been in the off season. Over football that is.

Always be yourself. Because the people that matter, don't mind. And the one's that mind, don't matter.

leg for your ability to age -AND I concur.

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

I read on another thread that if we miss on Beckon than its a reflection on Vice. Wrong attitude. Stay classy

Position coaches do have to accept some responsibility for their positional recruiting. I agree Becton was all over the place and hard to recruit but that statement makes it seem like Vice should have no accountability.

-Stick it in

Vice should be accountable for not making headway with a legitimate immediate impact OL target. Becton was a project.

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I agree. 100%. We will see what 2018 brings.

But if we offer somebody it is still a coaches job to get them, no? Obviously coaches will recruit someone like Hunter harder than Becton but typically when offers go out the expectation is that he is wanted.

-Stick it in

No questions from me. I just wanted to thank the TKP powers that be (and everyone behind the scenes with their marinades) for being lightening quick on top of the signings and recruiting news recently. This has been the first recruiting cycle that I've actually enjoyed in what feels like age. Legs for all!

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Garbutt not wasting any time. LOI already faxed in.

Just about to say that! On my phone so I can't embed but Fuente's twitter announced it about a half hour ago.

Edit: looks like Brown (don't know who that is?) and Deiulius (sp?) have also sent theirs in already.

one hour from our go live and Garbutt is on the board!

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This whole situation just doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Absolutely no indication this kid was even looking elsewhere until yesterday.

Google Chris Beatty- scumbag coach that can't hold a job for more than a year- "great" recruiter though

Chris Beatty is a scumbag that won't be at Maryland in 2 years... so with him back in high school or in CUSA and London off coaching in the MEAC, perhaps VT can hold on to all of their 757 commitments in a couple years. Durkin was smart to bring in Beatty, until one of his lies or improper benefits is exposed...again...

I'm stoked for today's news and to see Zohn at Hokie Club lunch tomorrow. I pledge to focus on our committed guys and not hate on the disappointments. There is too much good going on with this program to let 'sloppy hands' ruin this day! Oh my... i did it already, sorry TC, good luck at your new weak school.....

"Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

As much as people want to shrug this off, I see this as a big deal. We aren't a national recruiting power yet, and we HAVE to be able to close with top level talent in the state (especially 757). If we can't even close with someone who's been looking at VT for 10 months, its just not a good look.

I'm not panicking, but this is just not a good look.

Not a good look at all. Bishop Sullivan is a pipeline of 757 talent. Mitchell there next year, Tank Land in 2019. I hope we didn't completely screw up relationships there.

Apparently our staff was told Capehart was not taking any more visits... until he did.

My comments towards this will wait till after he's signed the dotted line

He signed. Announced on Twitter and showing on 24/7. Officially gone.

Assuming he lied to our staff about not taking any more visits.... i hope his next 5 years are filled with regret.

(Jerking people around and lying is a major pet peeve of mine)

That is what is being said. Surely more will come out but the basis is right now --> Tahj has in home with VT staff last Thursday, says he's not visiting UMD, next day he visits UMD. Then everything changes.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

His coach has never had many players go to Virginia Tech, two of his teamates are going to Maryland, and he took a visit there last week. VT closed on a bunch of top recruits so don't let one guy changing his mind overshadow that.

It's Time to go to Work

Oh well. What can you do? If VT coaches felt he was better suited at CB instead of WR, and the kid wanted to play WR, then it is completely understandable.

Flip of Rivers > Flip of Capehart. We were able to get a potential stud LB to decommit from "LBU".

Good Points, but we need more momentum in the 757- Once Cav left, we have stunk there - we need to get that back. I know Coach Burden is working his ass off to build new relationships down there, and Hunter is a huge get, but we need to keep solid VT verbals/leans like Capehart in the fold.

So lie to the kid and tell him he will play WR?

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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We don't actually know thats true.

Then again, its not like we've never done anything like that before....(Logan Thomas)

What exactly was the risk in actually letting him play WR? We know we are going to play tons of receivers, and if his hands weren't great, put him on the jugs machine all summer. He obviously is a great athlete. Was it just a convenient way to make up for a lack of other CB options in this class? I don't understand why we would risk screwing this whole thing up in the first place if we knew he wanted to play WR.

Its not about "we" screwing something up. Fuente was clear on his intentions with Cape, and Cape wanted to play WR...he was going to be a DB for us! Fuente is not the type of coach to sugar coat and BS a recruit to get him to Blacksburg. Bottom line is he went to Maryland for the promise of being a WR.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death....... I assure you, it's MUCH more serious than that" ...Bill Shankly

If Capehart really thinks Maryland is gonna let him stay at WR, maybe he should do some research on Tino Ellis...

"It might be dark outside, but it's LeDay in here." -Jay Bilas

From the chatter it doesn't look like that was the issue.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinsku, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

there is more to this story that is going to come out apparently. it wasn't about wr/cb...

True...been told that Fuente also believes your word and expects when you commit, you stop visiting other schools. He went on a secret visit to MD last week, and the coaches found out....not a good way to start your career. Best for both to part ways. Wish him nothing but success.

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death....... I assure you, it's MUCH more serious than that" ...Bill Shankly

Not true on taking visits. I think the difference is knowing about the visits and not specifically being told you aren't going on a visit that you did end up going on.

proctor visited pitt after he committed and then recommitted.

In related news, Tank Land's Twitter no longer says "VT Commit." Looks like this could have unfortunate ripple effects.

More worried about this potential ripple effect than anything else.

I feel like that's reading into it but at the same time it makes me incredibly nervous

If this actually results in losing Land's commitment, there's no way around it - this is a pretty major fuck-up by the coaching staff.

Tank is 2 years away. It's hard to put much stock in a commit that far off.

That being said, getting off the board 2 years early is BAD

No..keep momentum and relationships in the 757...I don't see how the 2 are related? You don't have to lie to Capehart or his coach to do that. ANDDDD.. I am highly doubtful that Fuente- an up tempo offensive coach that wants to use 6-7 receivers regularly told a highly rated 757 commit that he wouldn't get a shot at WR..sorry that is not beliveable AT ALL

We told Travon that he would have a shot at QB and then moved him to RB after one practice

Maybe it was a really bad practice

Same to Yosh with DL to OL switch

all maroon everything

Did I hear somebody say...Logan Thomas?

"we"? that was Loefler and Beamer

I think we're making a lot of progress in Hampton Roads. Losing one kid that wants to play WR doesn't mean we've lost the area.

Getting Hunter is huge. A lot of the local kids took notice of it

The coaching staff is doing one of their coaches clinics next month and they continue to build relationships.

Did Hunter Sign yet?

Not yet.

Whenever a top recruit takes their time signing the LOI, I can't help but be nervous.

Get that fax going!

It's 8:30 in the morning....

I'm kidding, I know its early

"...sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna kick you repeatedly in the balls Gardoki!"

Agree fully about playing WR. Guy has to do what he has to do. Onward and upward!

Where is Click?!

I don't know what the backstory is here, and the timing is really strange. That said, Tajh was nowhere near the highest rated WR or corner prospect on my evaluations. He had drop issues at wide receiver and his closing speed and hips were at best pedestrian at corner. I loved his first step off the line of scrimmage on his junior film, but he didn't look like a top-end kid on his senior film.

If Beatty sold him on VT over-recruiting at WR, it doesn't hold much water. Maryland has 6 WR commits, and they moved Tino Ellis (a top VT target that committed to Maryland last year) over to corner and he got playing time last year.

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Think this is really good to keep in mind. Also ultimately when you are talking about 17-18 year olds something like this is going to happen every year. It shouldn't be viewed as a miss or mistake by a coaching staff. The mind of a teenager is fickle and sometimes that just is what it is. Hope all the best for him and we will hopefully profit with the players that want to be here.

I think in general VT needs to beware of the Bishop Sullivan coaching staff. The same staff that got suspended at Ocean Lakes was just suspended for 3 years out of the Bishop conference. I know there are a lot of politics at play but shadiness seems to follow this guy. He's young, aggressive and a bit emotional.

Also have to wonder if the recent transfer by Allen played into some of the last minute decisions. That was the last high profile player to Tech from Coach Scott.

on the bright side of things:

proctor, rivers, grimsley, ashby, deluliis, garbutt, watts, and brown have all signed

good to have them on board

Darrisaw now too

How I feel every time a new signed LOI is confirmed on Hokiesports.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Possibly unpopular opinion:

Move the hell on and quit speculating. We may never know the full story. Wish the kid good luck, and move on. No sense in getting worked up over an 18 year olds decision. As for me? Today is pay day and I just had a tasty ass biscuit (sausage and egg, for what it's worth), we still signed a great class, and I'm in a great mood.

Go Hokies.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

ass biscuit

My fave

Biscuit power rankings

3. Sausage egg and cheese
2. Chicken
1. Tasty ass

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Dont sleep on the chicken biscut

"Everything is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever." - Fuente

I'd rather sleep on an ass biscuit

Biscuitville pimento and bacon

Cheddar Bo > all

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I can't eat anything with a cheese skirt.

Fried apple biscuit from Biscuit World >>> Tasty Ass Biscuit.

“You got one guy going boom, one guy going whack, and one guy not getting in the endzone.”
― John Madden (describing VT's offense?)

If there's an apple anywhere near the biscuit you are doing it all wrong.

Isn't that called pie or a tart or something.

tasty ass biscuit

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It's also a bad look to start spreading these rumors about Cape lying to our coaches. It's like we are in HS and saying, "No, I broke up with her! She didn't dump me!"

I'm a Red Sox fan, I've been annoyed at that for years ("Tito was addicted to pain pills!") Just zip it. Take the high road.

Exactly. People here think TKP exists in a vacuum. Any recruit, coach, mother, etc can get on here are read this stuff. There's not a single good reason to talk in ways that can possibly look bad on us.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

My only complaint about his decision is that he didn't decomit from tech officially. Was always pro-VT until signing day when he says he's signing with UMD. I mean if you change your mind cause something is a better fit that's fine. But be a man about it and let people know you are opening up your recruitment again even if you know you are sold on another school. Shame he'll never know what it feels like to win a conference championship let alone play for one at UMD. Oh well.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

ouch

So is he signing with Georgia? Because the tweet reads like he is going for a visit. He "will not be sending an LOI today". So that sounds like there is still a chance......

Dammit Shane, stop stealing recruits away from your Dad's alma mater! /s

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

sort of basic question regarding garbutt/proctor and their positions:

where do you think they end up? i find it interesting since they could both potentially add DE depth but garbutt could potentially end up as a TE/WR for us, and it's been stated we need a lot of receivers. thanks

The twitter pic that Fuente posted for signing their NLI's has them both listed as DE. Not sure how much to look into that, but it's a start I suppose.

1-0

Sigh, refreshed 6 times...been 4 minutes.

Can we get a separate thread for any discussion about those who don't join the good guys today? Maybe keep that talk over in the general NSD one. Let's keep the "our signing class" thread positive!

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Or we could just wish them good luck on their futures elsewhere and not look like salty jerks...

That would be nice, but this is the internet. Not everyone will be able to start their morning off with a tasty ass biscuit.

I dream of a day when we will all wake up to a tasty ass biscuit. It will be a glorious day

That has a MLK feel to it.

.

I'd rather be at the Rivah.

Gif'r done!

Let's Go

HOKIES

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I don't even see it as salty. Well some of it is obviously. But there is a legitimate discussion for how this flip happened and what it will affect going forward.

In the other thread, ideally.

So far:
Garbutt
Brown
Deiuliis
Rivers
Ashby
Proctor
Grimsley
Watts
Darrisaw
Griffin

I don't have a twitter but I think the best way to keep things organized and give a spot for French's reviews would be to embed Fuente's tweets welcoming the recruit. The tweets even have their expected position which is awesome

One request - can we still see the reviews for those that don't end up choosing the Good Guys? :)

Hokie fan | W&M grad

that's an incredibly long list!

But only if they're bad...

Here were my notes on Speed:

Physical press corner- sometimes overly aggressive. Takes away half of the field. When targeted, looks good turning and running. Can he cover outside of press situations, and will he be able to play like that at the next level? Likely a Georgia commit) He absolutely buries guys at the line of scrimmage, which requires terrific balance and feet. He looks like an ideal fit for Bud's boundary corner concept. Granted, full time boundary and field corner concepts were abandoned last year.

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The Speed news is FAR more disappointing than the Capehart news. He had the potential to be an absolute game changer at corner.

I think if we had known that VT would get Hunter, Rivers, Garbutt, and Proctor this cycle, we would be thrilled.

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Yeah, ask anyone of that potential haul in December and we would all take it for sure.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Got great edge, LBs and receivers in this class. Spots we've been thin the last few years.

Countered with uncertainty at CB and projects at OL and DT. Not too worried about corner. A 2018 guy could step in day one. DT and OL are going to be tough to get ready in time.

Really hard to have a perfectly balanced class. I think Fuente got the pieces he wanted.

that's an outstanding brief summary.

I do think some of us, like me, are already forgetting Hendon Hooker is in this class

both edge rushers are going to be projects though IMO and need a lot of technique work. Debose will be the most ready if he ends up committing and garbutt may not even end up on defense.

Do you think it's possible that Proctor (especially with some of the comments from him after his commitment) that we'll see him on the field this year as a stand up DE/OLB with 3 down linemen in place of a deeper DT rotation?

No. I love his upside, but he is going to take some time to become a defensive end. Now, if he was working at backer, I think he'd have a chance, especially with Beckett moving to mike, there isn't a scholarship guy at backer behind Tremaine except Griffin and Kearney (who is hurt.)

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Thanks for the reply. I really enjoyed the post in this thread where you went through every player's likelihood to see the field this year!

100% with you on the "try Proctor at backer" campaign. Been wanting it since the first time I watched his tape. I think he would DESTROY there.

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Recency effect is rearing its head this morning. Need a nice surprise commit to cleanse the pallate.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Welcome aboard!! Wish he was an early enrollee. French - do you see Hunter potentially playing on both sides of the ball?

Him and Garbutt are both about to be the Blacksburg version of Jabrill Peppers. Don't know this for fact at all, don't think Peppers is really that great either, but we can dream, right?

"It might be dark outside, but it's LeDay in here." -Jay Bilas

Man, I've got the wrong twitter feed pulled up. VT_Football still doesn't have this one up.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I have an open tab with coach Fuente's Twitter open. Seems to be the one with the most up to date NLI signings

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Hokiesports.com doesn't have it up yet either.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Oh Thank God. A last second flip from him would have killed me.

Thank goodness, cause I about had a heart attack when this page came up for me a few minutes ago. Not sure what's going on with that, guess the 247 site is going a little crazy right now.

They also had speed as a VT commit for a second. That less than enjoyable

Just my two cents, but this is the kind of post I'd like to forward to folks so they can learn to appreciate French's analysis. As such, I think it would be better to put French's reviews in as edits to the original post rather than hide them in the comments section. Most of the people I've forwarded TKP articles to don't even think to look in the comments because they assume it will be as bad as facebook/imgur/etc.

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I second this. The analysis should be edited into the core post.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

+1 by the time this day is over they will be very hard to find.

On the bright side this thread loads very fast compared to some of the other recruiting threads of late...

The recruiting analysis for VT kids will be in the main post.

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Now I can breathe

The next Fuller family

That was my thought when I read he had three brothers.

6-2, 230 with 3 younger brothers...

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

I'm pretty excited about this guy. He's from my high school and I got to see him play a few times the past few years... this guy is something special. We was a dangerous receiver, DB and kickoff/punt returner. I think he can develop nicely into a solid receiver for us in the future.

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Going to the NLI dinner in Lynchburg tomorrow night hosted by V2. Anyone going?

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Myself and a fellow TKP fanatic will be there.

Excellent TKP handle

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Better watch out. All the fly guys on the board will be stalking you.

For Fuente, a guy who loves to use trick plays built off bread and butter run action, having a recruiting class that has 4 kids (Farley, Pimpleton, Keene, Deluliis) that have significant quarterback experience for his skill positions (on top of McMillian assuming he is back) opens up a ton of possibilities for trick plays like sweep-option passes.

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Is there a possibility of McMillan leaving?

I don't know- the notion has been batted around the rumor mill. I don't want that to happen, but his touches were way down.

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Don't love the direction next on is trending... Still love this class.

Watching the Becton announcement. I don't see a Louisville hat. VT, UVA, Michigan, Michigan State.

Under the table most likely

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As was mentioned elsewhere $10 says he pulls out a UL hat from under the table.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Or a shirt under his jacket.

"Facyson is a baller."
-CFB

Ah good point. He is one of the only kids there wearing a jacket.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Sure enough he went with the under the table method.

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

I mean, why not just buy 2 Louisville hats and really keep the suspense until the last second?

Or just be like the dude USC got that was wearing like 100 shirts until he got the USC one at the end. I've got no love lost for Florida and especially not FSU, but that was kind of a dick move.

"It might be dark outside, but it's LeDay in here." -Jay Bilas

All those salty fans in the Periscope chat.

People are awful.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

internet tough guys.

Tweedy can run like a dadgum antelope or whatever. I like to use scalded dog. Do antelopes lumber? Cheetah, OK. He runs like a cheetah. He's fast. - Bud Foster

Was just going to ask about that, French. I'm eager to see your write up on the kid, could be a steal of a tackle if he puts the weight on I think.

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Guard most likely. Kid is so mean on the field. Wants to end every play with someone on the ground.

agreed I don't see OT in his future.

I think Holsten's is missing

So any last minute people we are looking at? I see Becton/Speed are no goes, I thought that was about it. Johnson? He go to SCAR?

Johnson, Debose, and Robinson. I have not seen anything on Johnson.

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Becton picked Louisville. This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but there was a reason he was slow played by the staff. I was completely underwhelmed by his film. He has ideal size (6'7, 340) but was completely dependent on his mass and upper body strength to block. His feet were below average for a DI offensive lineman, and his legs look like pipe cleaners. He would require a major rebuild in terms of building his lower body strength, and I still think he would be moved inside even if he develops.

To me, his offer was as much about repairing what was rumored to be a damaged relationship with Highland Springs (which had produced great Hokies like Macho Harris, the Hopkins Brothers and Jim Davis) than how much VT valued Becton's upside. This looks worse because VT did not make headway with any top-level recruits on the offensive line than it is in the vacuum of Becton's individual evaluation. He could prove me wrong (Nijman has been much better than I expected him to, and TJ Jackson looked great in pass protection drills despite having a really suspect high school film.)

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While it would have been nice to land a top in state lineman, there definitely was a reason we slow played his recruitment. Would have been at 2-3yr project due to reasons you just mentioned. Staff seemed to like upside of Smith and Darrisaw alot more.

If you're 340 pounds and playing at the high school, do you really need to develop technique? Maybe he could have learned with the right coaching...

I agree- Not even in the same stratosphere on evaluation as you French, but was thinking the same thing looking at his film.

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

So a lot of you guys have mentioned that "the full story" of Capehart's flip will come out soon. If anyone has some inside sauces on this situation, can you elaborate on if this situation is going to hurt us with Bishop Sullivan moving forward? They have so much talent it would really hurt for us to a) have issues with the program that keep us from having a shot with their student athletes or b) Tank Land decommitting, he already doesn't have VT commit in his twitter profile anymore. If anyone has any info regarding Tank's situation I would be very grateful.

emotions are raw and a lot of mixed stories. Give it a day or two, let everyone cool down a bit and all will be revealed in the right context, without people reading into it trying to tear it apart.

All I can say is that today is not the day to discuss the why's and why not of kids we miss but instead we should be celebrating a very good class and congratulating kids on making decisions that changed their lives in an instant..

"Welcome to the Terror Dome." -- Corey Moore

Oh yeah, overall I am very happy about the class. I just don't wanna lose Tank haha. I'm not a pessimist when it comes to recruiting, everything that happened today was more or less expected. I was just curious about the future with Bishop Sullivan players. That said, I am very excited about this recruiting class and the momentum we have created on the recruiting trail for the future.

I think Holston will surprise people. Great get out of GA.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

I wasn't thrilled about him the first time I looked at his film. And then I Iooked at it a couple more times, and every time I liked it better. Then I looked up his track data...has a 100m time in the 11.3's. And then I noticed he's now listed at 220 and the not the 200 on 247.

I'm pumped!

The obvious gaps in the class:

1) Offensive line- I didn't think this was as big a concern as many. I know the center and right guard spots were not good this year. But, I think TJ Jackson could be a top notch left tackle. I really like Plantin, and have heard good things about Hopple. I wanted to see a difference maker at right tackle and right guard that could step in and play as a sophomore/redshirt freshman. I don't think Becton was that guy, but the three pickups are projects. The good news is that all three guys (Darrisaw, Brown, Smith) have "the clay." Each kid is long, and has good feet. The bad news is that all three will need the the strength and conditioning program to endow them with P5 offensive line strength and explosion. I will always take great feet and wingspan over big guys who can body slam kids in high school but can't keep their feet moving.

2) Cornerback- to me this was a dire need and a big miss. Watts is a good athlete and his wingspan will allow him to play the ball well, and he has experience playing the leverage techniques that Foster employs. That being said, because VT uses those corners in so many press situations, they tend to get beat up and depth is critical. That depth has been lacking pretty much since 2013 and whenever a corner goes down, Foster has been forced to rob depth at another position in order to patch things together. Ladler and Rogers (assuming they are as good as advertised) makes this less of an issue in 2017, but Stroman and Facyson will be gone after 2017 and there won't be any mature depth behind Alexander, Ladler, and Rogers the following year. Also, natural safeties seem to become rovers, and former corners become the free safeties- so there isn't a source to generate depth at free safety.

3) Defensive Tackle- I love Robert Porcher, but he will need a year in the strength and conditioning program before he has the size and strength to be a rotational defensive tackle. Glaze is expected to prep I believe and has been an edge defender (3-4 DE) in high school. If Sobczak doesn't return to the program, there isn't a fourth defensive tackle to rotate in with Walker, Settle, and Hewitt unless Fullwood changes his body or Mihota moves inside (which A-I do not support and B-robs depth at defensive end.)

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That's reassuring to hear about OL. I didn't know how badly we needed new guys
there but I'm glad Becton wasn't the big miss it seemed. At least we got some playmakers
and top guys this season. Definitely happy with the class.

thoughts on Dzansi?

edit...won't be shocked if they at least look at Farley at CB this spring

He has added a ton of weight (weighed in at 315 after being in the 260 range in high school.) He is a good athlete, but his film isn't impressive. Again, he is a project kid and has "the clay" but they will need to do a ton of work.

Keep in mind, the biggest miss I have had has been Nijman. I was a nice as I could be reviewing his film, but I just didn't see anything to make me think he would be productive as a defensive end, and he looked completely lost in that first spring on the offensive line. He has turned out to be a multi-year starter and an effective left tackle. If the prospect has good feet and long arms and the willingness to put the time in the weight room to improve lower body strength and flexibility, they can be good. Silas has the makings of a lineman in this model, but it will take time to add the nuance of playing the position and the lower body strength to generate movement.

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I would be stunned if they move Farley to corner. He needs the ball in his hands.

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I would love to see our CBs have the ball in their hands at least a couple times a game...

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not disagreeing (the one clip from camp last summer sold me), i just think they'll look and see what he can do.

2018 is huge for CB recruiting...could use another Fuller/Facyson class. probably DT as well.

French, any words on Quillen's development at db?

darrisaw is also rumored to need to prep so we'll have smith, brown and dzansi on the OL. I really don't see any of them as multi-year starters if our current talent level wasn't so low on the OL.

Agree with the 3 positions being the ones that need addressing immediately.

Man...missing out on Becton and Capeheart, might make Lawson think about transferring. Needs protection and targets.

Always choose joy.

Guys I am most excited about

1) Kearny
2) Hunter
3) Rivers

All three guys can be 3/4 year difference makers on defense. Because of the presence of Motuapuaka-he isn't getting benched as a redshirt senior folks, and Tremaine Edmunds, they may not be starters. Hunter is the guy who could see time immediately because if he can play, it would allow VT to maintain their 3 corner rotation, keep Mook at whip (which I think is ideal), and move Edmunds to free safety where his coverage ability gives VT a ton of flexibility.

I love Kearney. He looks like a faster version of a healthy Tariq Edwards. He is gap sound and brings the wood when he hits. He will need to learn to take on and beat blocks while being sound with his force/spill principles, but I think he will be a tremendous player. Tremaine Edmunds being such a tremendous player is the only reason we won't hear much about Kearney pushing for playing time.

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He looks like a faster version of a healthy Tariq Edwards

This is a big deal to me because my favorite thing about Tariq was his lateral speed defending the edge and getting to the QB outside of the pocket.

And I think Tremaine might be gone after next season if he has another year like this one.

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And now I want some Carol Lee donuts...

Hey! I recognize that name from Reddit! Keep doing the Hokie Bird's work my friend.

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There is no glaze like a hot Krispy Kreme glaze.

disappointed it took this long for this gif......

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

A DE wearing #23 would be cool.

6-4 270.... yes sir

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but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

One of my personal favorites from this class, needs to stay on O will light it up in the slot.

Savoy is listed taller than I expected.

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Give em the old Savoy Special!

"You know when the Hokies say 'We are Virginia Tech' they're going to mean it."- Lee Corso

Anyone have thoughts on Devante Smith? He's been committed since 2015 and I don't think there is any recruit that I have seen less written/discussion about him.

Leg for you because I'm also curious

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Those are coming. We are loading them slowly as we talk through each prospect.

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Great! I know you mentioned you would roll out some more detailed stuff on each and that you had material prepared. I was moreso throwing this out to see if anyone had quick insight to weigh in while we await the richer content coming later.

Dazz Newsome goes to UNC

which brings up a relevant question. Is he eligible for a graduate transfer as soon as they hand him his degree this fall?

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This fall? Why would they wait so long to hand it to him? I'm sure it's already printed.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

Oh, you're playing football? Your HS diploma gives you 100 credits towards your undergrad degree.

11AM http://www.hokiesports.com/ will carry the coaches talking about the recruits. We will continue to update here through the morning, but every LOI is in that is expected. Given that there have been 24 kids (with some being early enrollees) VT will have room for Robinson, Debose, and any other surprises.

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I like those mock calls from Laaser of the new signees to open the show.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

a nice touch

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after seeing the rankings of a lot of these kids from Fuente's twitter I'm a lot more impressed. I mean we may have not gotten every top 10 in kid in VA but we are also pulling top 10 kids from other states. I didn't realize that Holston was the #2 RB in GA. Not too shabby IMO. But all I really know is rankings and stars at face value. But still impressed with this class.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I heard on Andy Bitters last podcast the Recruiting Analyst from VTZone repeatedly mentioned Holsten was Techs top running back on the board

Unrelated to real signing day stuff, I actually had a dream last night that I was watching ESPN for signing day and the ticker along the bottom said that Virginia Tech didn't get any LOIs and the whole class was just the early enrollees. So, while I'm sad to see Capehart go, I have that visceral fear from my nightmare to compare to and think, today has been a good day.

Just wanted to keep you guys in the loop of my dream journal.

Love the guys we got coming in!!

To vent for a minute on the recruiting of Cape and Dazz. So a HS kid tells you something out of emotional spontaneity, fear of sharing true feelings to you, whatever the case, and then you get offended because you think he lied to you and throw the baby out with the bathwater?

That's poor form, with long-reaching consequences. I love Fuente and as much credit as this staff deserves for signing Rivers, Hunter, etc., Dazz and Cape are two in state playmakers that wanted to be Hokies and today, they aren't. No way to spit it - that should not happen.

But, we did upgrade talent pool at a few critical positions, which is awesome and a reason to celebrate!

Still rumor and innuendo at this point.

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In your end-oooooh!

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They decided that being a Hokie wasn't best for them. There is nothing else to it.

It's Time to go to Work

But we must let them know the huge mistake they've made. /s

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used."
- The BoD

We should tweet at them now, since they're no longer recruits right? /s

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Bud is talking about Devon. Says Hunter is ready to be an impact player at safety at day one, then said comparisons to Kam Chancellor are off; Devon is closer to where Kam was as a junior. I like that.

Bud Foster on Hunter:
6'2 215- WOW, extremely excited. Devon was a target from Day 1. Zohn did a great job. Dynamic football player. COUNTING on him to be an impact player at the safety spot right away. Physically ready to play (built like Kam C. as a junior.) Will have an impact on this class and future classes.

Bud on Garbutt:
6'3 220- Big athletic kid, shows his ability to run at wide receiver. Comes off the edge and creates a mismatch. Upside is tremendous. Has to get bigger. Fits a need. (Mentioned 7 sacks/7 forced fumbles- as I noted he is less productive than you'd expect for his athleticism)

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Foster on Rivers:
Top target after Devin. Targeted very early- committed to Penn State because Beamer retired. Big time linebacker- physical and can run. Tough hardnosed football player.

Foster on Porcher:
Big athletic defensive end. No idea how his body will turn out (DE or DT.) Sacks record holder at Dr. Phillips (big time Florida program that produced Ike Charleton.)

Kearny: had shoulder surgery and will miss spring. Electric speed off the edge. Playmaker.

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Love Rico- hate to hear he will miss the spring.

Foster- we will be a more talented football team this fall.

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Foster- we will be a more talented football team this fall.

I would hope we wouldn't be less talented.

edit: Forgot we lost Ford, Hodges, and Rogers. But the Defense is mostly in tact, so that's nice.

Forgot we lost Ford, Hodges, and Rogers. But the Defense is mostly in tact, so that's nice.

I'm still of the mindset that after Fuente did that much with those three in one year of the system, we've got nothing to worry about.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Beckett will get moved around to mike. Huelskamp is out with a knee injury.

I would love to know who the number 2 backer will be. I wonder if Shegog is the backup backer this spring?

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Do you see Shegog playing more of a LB role this year or possibly more as a safety?

"It might be dark outside, but it's LeDay in here." -Jay Bilas

I don't think he would be a safety. Could be a backer and a bandit if he can get the reps to get up to speed at the backer spot. I have not heard it discussed, but with Beckett moving to mike and Kearney being hurt, there isn't a single scholarship backer behind Tremaine Edmunds. Something has to give there.

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Carter? Belmar? Griffin?

Carter is a Mike. Belmar is a defensive end now and will be the #2 DE while Gaines and Taylor run with the 1's in the spring. Minor may be the next guy up and he isn't on scholarship.

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OC Cornelson is next.

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forget it...late to the party

The Dude Abides

OC on Josh Jackson- had a great year of work. Had a great fall camp. Solid guy you can count on to do the right thing. Has the ability to make plays. He is ready to take over a leadership role.

OC on losing the right side of OL- you miss that experience and making calls that you have to make to set the blocking correctly. Didn't mention replacements.

OC on Hendon Hooker- 6'5 212, fell in love with the kid you see them do things athletically, smooth athlete, really big hands, pure release. Huge ceiling.

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Big hands?

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Did you know Boykin wore Triple X gloves, and that they had to be replaced every game because his hands were so large? #TheMoreYouKnow

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

Thats the most interesting fact I've ever heard. Why hasn't any ESPN announcer picked up on that and let the world know?

Did you also know that Bucky Hodges is 6'7"? Surprised that fact didn't get much air time either.

Only if he crouches.... he literally once called Paul Bunyon "little fella" ... and meant it

Lets GO!!!!

Bucky Hodges Rogers

FTFY

"It might be dark outside, but it's LeDay in here." -Jay Bilas

Because they're too busy talking about Grayson "Sweep the Leg" Allen I guess.

"It's a miracle in Blacksburg, TYROD DID IT MIKEY, TYROD DID IT!"

More OC on Hooker-
Transition from speed of the game- timing of the reads, speed of the route. Physically he needs to continue to develop his body.

OC on Sean Savoy- 5'11 180- first time we saw his film/Wiggins saw him live- very excited. Explosive kid, explosive after the catch. Good hands. Wanted to address getting guys in this class who causes the defense to hold their breath when he gets a touch.

OC on Pimpleton- makes guys miss. Versatile. Dangerous on jet sweep.

OC on AJ Bush- 6'4 220 need depth and an experienced guy. Really liked his film. Dual threat can run and throw. Competitive.

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guys in this class who causes the defense to hold their breath when he gets a touch.

Nice!

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

Silas arms- whoa. He said he would like to redshirt. Serious wingspan on this kid.

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Johnson to Sakerlina.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Dammit, IH, stop being such a downer! Lets focus on the ones we got instead of the ones we didn't.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

I'm good... thanks, though!

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I don't think I've ever seen a NSD pass without you having a king hell freakout.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Oh fuck that.

All I did was express concern over what happened with Cape and Becton, two players we supposedly had in the bag late last week before we didn't. I stated I was disappointed in how the cycle was finishing but still encouraged in the overall result. In doing so, I'm ganged up upon, called a downer, told I'm freaking out, told to shut the fuck up, told to piss off, delete my account, etc. Try to inject a little sarcasm back into the conversation and replies like the two above are met.

I'm growing real tired of watching TKP devolve into a place where opinions that might be critical of the team or program are ganged up upon and silenced. The groupthink hivemind here is real, and its concerning.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I'm growing real tired of watching TKP devolve into a place where opinions that might be critical of the team or program are ganged up upon and silenced. The groupthink here is real, and its concerning.

Is this a joke? You mocked me several time for realistically saying we wouldn't have a top 15 class.

You were mocked. You weren't downvoted to oblivion and told to take your act elsewhere

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Nice edit...

I don't expect you to understand. You rarely come here looking for civil discourse to begin with

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

oooo. hes an angry elf.

‘Boy, wake up, we’re going over the mountain,’ and that was code for we’re going to watch Virginia Tech play football today,'

Take a break. Your emotions are clearly affecting your judgment of your comments or at the very least your tone.

"with all due respect, and remember I’m sayin’ it with all due respect, that idea ain’t worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin gettin’ it on" - Ricky Bobby

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

I uplegged some of your criticisms on the NSD thread right up until you snapped at Cnote91.

Having criticism is fine, turning the dissenting opinion of your criticism into victimposting and malicious sarcasm is not.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Fair enough

To be completely clear here... I'm not frustrated with this class. I'm frustrated with what happened today. This is one of the better classes that we've had in a while, but it could have been been one of our best ever.

Just more room for improvement for the future, but still in a good trajectory. I do worry a bit about the potential ramifications on what happened with Cape toward our ability in the 757 going forward, but we'll have to wait and see on how that impacts future classes.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

It's one kid. The sun is still going to rise tomorrow.

That's not really what groupthink means, common misconception actually. You're probably thinking hivemind.

Ahh so I was. Thanks!

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SMH

Is it football season yet?

Oh there's nothing wrong with what you're saying. I agree, losing Capehart is bizarre, and going ohfer on Speed, Becton, Newsome and Johnson, while not entirely unexpected, is sobering after a couple of weeks of high momentum in recruiting.

I'm not trying to shut you up. I just got to thinking about it and I think you've wound up in a glass case of emotion by early afternoon on NSD since TKP has been a thing.

I'm just waiting for you to change all your replies to animated tangent gifs.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

I'm just waiting for you to change all your replies to animated tangent gifs.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

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that looks like what you would find if you searched for a "locking rear differential"

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

tangent=derivative=differential, right?

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I should have dropped in for a last second in-home last night, he couldn't live more than 10 minutes from me.

*joking, I would never do that*

This one makes me incredibly sad.

via GIPHY

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I've been listening to this live signing day show on Hokiesports and they have talked about most if not all of the players, but they have talked about Devon Hunter about 10 times. Rivers has gotten multiple mentions as well.

Maybe I missed it, but has there been any news about the Robinson guy from Florida? I know he was pretty new to the picture a few days ago but haven't heard either way.

Got a few crystal balls, but apparently they are mostly guesses. It seems like there are absolutely legs to the rumor that we are going after him. Last I heard he is postponing signing and wants to take visits. I would LOVE to land this guy. Huge talent and would boost our class.

His recruitment is probably going to take awhile.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

He wasn't planning on signing until after NSD due to his commitment re-opening up

"Be yourself is about the worst advice you can give some people"

Not till Friday. My guess? He wants to be able to evaluate what schools got a lot of competition for his spot and chose a good spot to land, especially if he wants early playing time. For example, why go to Bama who just got three other commitments for the same spot, when he could go to Tech for easier.

No, DeBose is announcing Friday because it's his mothers birthday. I'd be shocked if Robinson announces in the next week.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Confused the two. But honestly, if I was one of these kids and had a couple of firm offers, I am not sure I would sign on the first day. Yes, there is a risk of an offer being yanked because they got a different fish. But a good coach and school should be patient.

Anyone heard about the late push for James Robinson?

I know that Ole Miss is probably going to pursue. I'm not sold we actually go all out but early reports are we will. Believe he has 2 OVs left.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Ole Mi$$

Look up

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

Well played sir

Solid B+ class overall so far.

Got some good playmakers for Fuente to use with specific roles in mind. Got our number 1 target. Still nervous about our lines going forward.

They are interviewing Bradburn on Hokiesports as we speak. God, he is going to get tired of people trying to attempt his accent.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

The class is down to #25 on the 247 composite. As great as this class is, I wish they could've closed on Becton, Speed, or Johnson. Between Capehart getting flipped and losing on those three, I just think it would be cool to get a win on signing day itself.

Still 14th on 247's, would be nice to finish in the top 15. Hopefully getting Debose on Friday will ensure that.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

247 has a few guys so overrated it's not even funny. Dzansi as a 4 star is laughable and drake missed 1/2 his senior year and got bumped up to like #150. I think he could be a contributor but he's going to be a taller much slower and less explosive version of bucky hodges. No where near the athlete. They also bumped up several lower rated guys pretty substantially in the last week.

Drake reminds me of Christian Reeves. I don't think he's that slow, but he hasn't shown the physicality to play true TE and I'm questioning whether he is athletic enough to play the Bucky position.

Have seen that comparison before as well. Looks slow to me for a kid that is only 210ish lbs right now. Still going to present physical mismatches that reeves never could with that size, but he's not a burner and agreed he's not a TE, but we rarely uses those thus far under CJF anyways.

Nope- taller version of Rogers who could be just as well served as playing a mike linebacker. He is nothing like Hodges except for the size of his frame.

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Tall guy that will be used more as a WR than his recruiting profile suggests him being a TE (like bucky). I don't see him fitting the rogers mold at all, but we'll see.

I owe you an apology- I was talking about Keene, not Drake. I have less of a feel for Drake than any other kid in the class.

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Keene gonna be a stud. Love that kid. You had me lost when talking about mike, I was like what the hell has French been smoking/drinking this am.

When I watch Keene's film, all I see is Jake Houseright pre-knee injury. As someone who was steamrolled by Jake Houseright, that is a high compliment.

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I too have been a victim of a Jake Houseright steamroll. Leg for the company.

I remember the buzz about House when he first showed up for fall camp.... oh what coulda been if not for that knee injury...

Lets GO!!!!

He was pretty hard to block, but honestly Chad Beasley was the one I hated to handle especially 1 on 1, total beast. That was one long night.

Chad threw discus in track in high school. During an all comers meet he threw one across the football field and onto the track. I saw him at PKs after the GT game. He's still a big man.

Gate City had him and Houseright on the fat man 400 relay team. Pretty sure they could've beaten a lot of 4x100 relay teams.

Many don't know this, but Jake was a state champion caliber 300 hurdler. One hell of an athlete.

Beasley could sling a discus.

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I remember he ran the 100 as a senior and could compete. I threw shotput with both of them. Great guys and great athletes. There was some great football in swva in those years.

Didn't block Jake because when I played, he was a sophomore playing safety. Colboro used him a bunch as a lead blocking halfback in the straight T and sweet baby jesus.

Beasley was ok for a 6'6 260 pound linebacker. There was a DL that was a handful though. If I remember right his last name was Grizzle. Kid was a handful. Those teams were so well coached. They moved around like Bud's defense and it was almost like they knew where the ball was going every play.

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Fun story - my boss was all state out of a single A school and on the 1998 West Roster in the state all-star game. Roomed with Houseright, Suggs, and Grove. Said all were some of the nicest guys ever. Also said the Curry-Vick show for the East in that game was absurd, but he ended up sacking Vick in the endzone for a safety in that game.

The only high school All-Star game I've been to see was 2006, also known as the Tyrod Taylor-Todd Nolen show. First half, pretty much all the offense was Tyrod either taking off and running for 20 yards or flicking it downfield to Nolen for 30 yards.

Dzansi got pushed way down, he's like an 86 now. And we've had several players get pushed down in the last week, it's been all over the place.

247 still has him listed as the lowest 4 star. His composite finally updated which dropped him down to 86. Have seen more players rising than dropping in the 247 rankings this week (watts, pimpleton, hooker went up and tajh went down but he's not in our class anyways).

Yeah, rankings from recruiting services are all over the map.

It's why I don't sweat class rankings too much - outside the top 10-15 (where you're going to find the perennial national title contenders), you've got to trust a coaching staff's ability to identify and develop talent.

Hopefully VT will break into that top-tier of recruiting under Fuente, but until then, I'll trust that Fuente and co. have a much better handle on what each guy brings to the scheme they want to run.

I thought most of the difference between 247's ranking and the other sites was that 247 was including Wheatly.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Yep, an encouraging class with a discouraging day to finish it off. The sour final bite doesn't take away from the fact that the meal overall was phenomenal, but it does leave you on a bit of a downer heading to the parking lot.

9/10, would recommend to a friend

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

With a 9/10, by the time I get to the parking lot, I'm feeling pretty good about it.

gotta have the after dinner mint, though.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I would liken it to the last bite of a really good steak being all gristle.

"And then the real chess match began." - Justin Fuente

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

Not quite as disgusting as Alabama getting a 4 star to grayshirt

What is it with rice?

Outspoken team cake advocate. Hates terrapins. Resident Macho Man Gif Poster. Distant cousin to Dork Magic.

Agree with the above comment, hoping Debose will be our last steal.

I will openly fawn over Debose. The kid will be a Lunch-Pail worthy player.

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Ahem, *next* steal. Fuente has a couple spots left to try to pick up a good missing piece or two.

Fuente on Lecitus: "He is an ON THE LINE tight end. We want to run with an on the line tight end and an h-back moving around, we just haven't had the guys to do that." Interesting stuff on how the offense might take shape in the next couple years.

Can't wait until Lecitus of Burgh becomes a force for our offense. Resistance is futile, you will be dominated.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I can't give this enough legs...

The offense Fuente *wants* to run.

Good stuff!

We weren't very good at sealing the edge last year in run blocking, and that had a pretty negative impact on our run game. If this kid is our answer, then he might be the most important get of the class.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

I wouldn't be shocked if Pettit stuck at tight end and played more this year. There is a big mandate for Cunningham to get better at blocking with tailback depth thin (Peoples moving?) and Keene looming.

Keene looked like a full grown man in that interview.

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The thoughts of the potential scenario of Pettit locking the edge for Hooker and Pimp brings me endless joy

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

What is the rumor of the Man of the Peoples moving? Like away? Or to another position?

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

No rumor- he could play tailback instead of HBack because of depth, and because he was effective with limited carries last year. Attrition and the performance of freshmen will impact what happens. Fortunately, he is very versatile.

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Great, thanks! Indeed I'm impressed with his ability to carry the rock. You scared me there for a second thinking he may transfer.

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Yeah, he seemed really excited about Lecitus. I think it could be a gamechanger for this offense to have a true TE on the line who can block extremely well and also be a threat in the passing game. Having a 6th lineman who can also catch the ball will be huge.

He has the frame to be an offensive tackle- my only worry with him growing into a tackle is his wingspan. He doesn't extend his arms really well when blocking on the tape and I want my tackles to have great pop with that first extension in pass blocking. It can make up for a lack of footspeed and allow the OT to redirect the initial pass rush strategy of the defender.

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This is actually pretty interesting. From the little I know of Fuente's past I haven't seen him use a true TE in that way. French do you have any insight here? Has Fuente done this in the past? Also what kind of wrinkles would it give us to have a true TE and an H-back in the game at the same time?

Sometimes I like to leave off the /s just to mess with people.

He has used both, but the HBack was more prominently used when both were not on the field.

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I think we did very well. LOLUVa; 64 nationally, 12 in the ACC. (Mistake 54 nationally and 11 ACC). My bad. Hard to do this at work.

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wait who did worse than LOLUVA? How are they not 14th in the ACC?

If a tree falls in Scott Stadium does it make a sound?

I'm assuming it was Syracuse and WF

Is it football season yet?

Remember, recruiting rankings ≠ season standings.

Question for French (or anyone else):
With Fuente's first true recruiting class in the books his comments on Lecitus got me thinking. Are there any hints to where the offense (or team on the whole) may be headed in the coming years? Seems like we loaded up on a lot of shifty athletes and tight ends, how much can we take away from that?

I'll piggy back off of mogwaiaredangerous's questions for French -

For the offense, are there certain plays and actions should we expect to see more frequently in the near future with the new recruiting class? What plays are likely to become more of the bread and butter of the offense with who we have brought in and what they can do? Is there something else you saw in your review of Fuente's time at Memphis that you expect to be incorporated into the offense that you did not see as much before? For example, losing Bucky and Ford means we will likely be less reliant on the fade jump balls. What will likely take their place to keep the offense moving?

As for the defense, do you anticipate any shifts or scheme tweaks that Bud occasionally makes based on who was signed? Or do any of the recruits add more flexibility to what Bud can call (like Devon Hunter being able to play multiple positions)?

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

More screens, more short throws on clear out routes (similar to what Cam was featured running down the stretch.) Fuente clearly wants his tailback to function as a dive back and have a slot guy running outside zones and jet sweeps. In general, he understands that he wants to simplify the game for his quarterbacks and pressure a defense horizontally.

What you saw this year, especially in terms of the vertical passing game and the running game inside, was much more a byproduct of personnel than what he wants to do. Memphis vs Ole Miss, the full game, is on Youtube from 2015. I strongly suggest watching it, and focus just on the wide receivers. You will get an education on how they are YAC guys, great blockers, and not really polished pro-style receivers.

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Watched that game last offseason to get a feel for a Fuente offense and it left me pretty excited but was hard to follow at that pace (overwhelming feeling that the ball could go anywhere at anytime, which I guess is the point). May have to watch again for the receivers, thanks for the insight.

Here are my raw notes on Becton from a week ago, before it even was considered he'd go elsewhere. Forgive the poor grammar but they were scribble into a spreadsheet:

VT slow-played Becton and I can understand why. Massive RT prospect with tremendous upper body strength. Doesn't have a good base or core/lower body strength. Slow tip-toe feet with some cross over. No bend. Looks a bit like a bigger Jon Dunn. Expect him to get moved inside. Major concerns about his feet. Bench presses guys on blocks and digs his feet in. Red flag.

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Do we have any specific questions about the commitments? There may be a podcast in the works for this as well.

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Does Caleb Farley have the ability to be a true number 1 receiver? Have we seen anything from him in terms of route running and position minutiae to think he could? Do any other receivers in the class look to fill a role beyond the shifty slot-guy archetype?

He has the frame, the speed, the ability to get separation with his athleticism, and the combination to get yards after the catch with his elusiveness and power. At Memphis, Fuente flourished with guys who were not always the most natural wide receivers. Instead, when you watch that film his receivers are catching the ball on quick throws and getting tons of YAC. Farley fits that mold.

My worries really focus on the nuance of playing wide receiver- specifically high pointing the football, catching with his hands, and sharp route running. For this offense, if he can run a slant/skinny post, vertical go routes, and catch fades to his back shoulder, and if he can explode on screens and get YAC (an area where I am sure Fuente wants to improve), he will have a role quickly. He is a spectacular athlete- David Wilson level type of change of direction.

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Do you like the potential of Brown more than Becton?

Any of the 3 stars you feel are underrated?

Great question. I think if Brown can add weight and strength to go with his feet and plays with a similar nasty attitude, his ability to stay engaged on blocks better. Becton would be more of a boom or bust- massive guy with NFL measurables. But, you can't teach feet. Guys with great feet may not be good offensive linemen, but guys without good feet almost never become good offensive linemen. A terrific example is Steven Moss. Moss was a 4 star recruit from the Fredericksburg area with great size and all the highlight film pancakes you could ask for. When he picked UVA, I said then that he planted his feet in the ground and used his upper body to drive defenders into the ground. You can't do that in P5 football. As far as I know, Moss (who is a junior now) was not in the two deep for Virginia despite the Hoos having a suspect OL and has only played in one game despite being in the program for three years.

You have to have the feet. That is why I am so high on TJ Jackson now. He is massive, but moved so smoothly on those snap chats of the pass pro drills back in fall camp. You can't teach that. You can add strength and work on flexability. You can drill knowledge in the playbook and as that improves it speeds up play. You can't teach feet and reach.

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Thanks man.

FWIW, Fu and Vice love Jackson. Similar athleticism to Yosh but a year or two behind him physically compared to when Yosh came over from FUMA

"Vick's so amazing, that unleashing his skills on some poor defense is almost unsportsmanlike. It's not fair."
- Chris Fowler, ESPN analyst

Is Holston the bruiser back we need to pair with McMillian now that Juice has retired from football?

Yes- he is a big back and runs with those high knees like Roger Craig. VT listed him at 220 today. He is comfortable with quick hitting downhill runs (his offense in high school ran a ton of belly option plays where he was close to the line of scrimmage and bend quickly to hit the wider hole.) And he has the north-south speed that if a linebacker overreacts to a screen fake or a jet sweep, he can exploit that hole for a big play.

That said, I don't think he will be nearly as effective on outside zones and slower developing plays. He isn't a traditional tailback that is going to make guys miss or jump cut into a backside hole. And, don't expect him to get huge numbers of touches. Think back to the old wishbone offenses at Texas and Oklahoma. Holston is the fullback who gets the ball on the quick hitting dives. Guys like Pimpleton, Farley, Savoy, McLease, and the other slot guys will be the outside zone guys, working jet sweeps off dive action and inverted veer.

Holston does have the speed to be effective on the speed option because he can get up the field so quickly.

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Thanks for the thoughts, as always.

Thank you for reading and your TKPC support. Joe puts in 100 times more time and energy here than I do. Today was a drop in the bucket.

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glad PJ doesn't have him

In that offense, he would be frightening.

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how does hendon hooker's film compare to other recent qbs, mostly jackson's?

I want to tread likely with Hooker because I don't want to spoil a 3000+ word masterpiece breaking down the spring quarterback battle where I go into more detail. I understand why Fuente targeted him. He is taller than Jackson and has a bigger arm with a terrific release point. He is more of a big play threat in the running game that is really sharp with run game mechanics and mesh points. He throws with beautiful touch. He has tremendous upside and likely has more upside to be elite.

That said, and it rang true in Cornelson's interview today, is that Jackson is accurate, gets the ball where it needs to be, and protects the ball. He also has a year of experience and was good enough to make Evans sweat as a true freshman. He has worked against Bud's defense all year, which is no joke. Hooker loves to loft the ball against man coverage. That could be robbered. The speed of the game is always an unknown for quarterbacks, especially how the speed causes them to stop going through reads and start looking at pass rush (see Ford, Andrew.) Hooker's hands are huge, but he hasn't gotten anywhere close to physically mature. There were worries about Jackson's ability to take the pounding associated with the quarterback run game last year, and he was more physically stout at the same age than Hooker. Hooker is going to be a 6'5, 230 plus guy- essentially a Logan Thomas that is quicker. Sky is the limit. Worst case is that he is Dwayne Lawson, a guy who may have been even more athletic and had a big arm, but couldn't grasp the offense. The good news is, I think Hooker already shows that he will be way more accurate than Lawson was.

It was interesting how little talk there was about Hooker in today's Hokiesports special. Either they want him to redshirt and they are trying to defuse all the "will Hooker be the starting QB against West Virginia" questions (which I'd bet will be the first question asked in 90% of the Hokieclub functions tomorrow.) OR, they know he has a chance to play and want to keep his exposure to a minimum so teams are not prepared to deal with his special skill set. Either way, he can be really good. And I say that as a guy who loves Josh Jackson's game. Jackson is the safe bet. If Hooker makes it neck and neck in the spring and the fall, Fuente's track record is that he will turn to the guy he feels has the most upside, as he did with Lynch at Memphis.

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That said, and it rang true in Cornelson's interview today, is that Jackson is accurate, gets the ball where it needs to be, and protects the ball. He also has a year of experience and was good enough to make Evans sweat as a true freshman. He has worked against Bud's defense all year, which is no joke.

Not going to lie, I'm excited to see what Jackson is able to do. A guy that takes what the defense gives him and makes them pay while protecting the ball is something that we could use to methodically destroy teams down the line. Very similar to what Bryan Randall was, and he ended up being one hell of a great QB. Put a guy like him in an offense like Fuente's, and who knows how good things could get.

Hooker loves to loft the ball against man coverage. That could be robbered.

Without spoiling too much of your incoming article, how does this compare to what we saw with Evans? JE tended to loft the ball early and often in games, and that seemed to pay off for us more often than not. Is the concern about Hooker that his accuracy isn't what we saw with Evans, and that could burn us on the field?

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Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

"A guy that takes what the defense gives him and makes them pay while protecting the ball is something that we could use to methodically destroy teams down the line."

There's a couple NFL teams that would agree with this statement.

Great perspective on this. I'm leaning toward the latter in your last paragraph as I really think Hooker has a legitimate chance to win the job this fall. Him suddenly changing plans at the last minute and enrolling early certainly had a lot to do with Evans' unexpected departure, but I think if they already had plans to redshirt him, having just Jackson, Click, Bush, and Willis battle it out in the spring would have been plenty of depth. I think the coaches are going to give him a shot at it and probably want it to be a surprise how good he really is. All that said, worst-case scenario, he is too green and will redshirt, and Jackson is a guy with experience in the system and the trust of the coaches.

It just seems logical to me that the EE decision for Hooker was as much about getting as many schollies available as possible as it was a statement about his chances at PT. The decision was made before Rivers' flip, Hunter's announcement, etc. etc. and of course we hoped to grab several more today also. We had a bunch of empty slots from last NSD, so it doesn't seem that there'd be any disincentive to bring in as many EE's as we could (up to the number of empty slots from last year). Not to mention, get in the weight room earlier, start learning playbook, all the obvious things.

As it turns out, it doesn't look like we'll have a full class for this year, since all the EE's count against last year. So, NSD 2018 will have more flexibility to take in extra guys. It just seems like a good practice no matter what that if a guy is academically ready and you've got a previous empty slot, bring him in for the Spring.

We will disagree on this one. I think Fuente thinks Hooker can be *the guy* and the departure of Evans opened up an opportunity for him to get a head start on his learning curve.

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Oh that may in fact be true...but bringing in the max of EE's is just simply good strategy for the numbers game. Not really a football comment at all, just scholarship strategy.

Edit: To elaborate/explain what I was saying...if the coaches think Hunter can contribute immediately and will essentially "solve" the secondary puzzle for the immediately upcoming season, then why wouldn't they bring him in as an EE. Well...because Hunter might not have had the academics in order for that to happen. (I actually have no insight, just hypothetically speaking). Hooker obviously did have his academics ready to go, in addition to all the extra motivation they might have had because he's the next great hope. So we're not really disagreeing.

People always get excited about the new prospects and I definitely like Hookers tape, but right now it seems he's an athlete playing quarterback. I'm under the impression this is Josh Jackson's team and just guess that Willis will be backing him up. Take a look at Jackson's tape and see that even as a junior in high school he was pretty much accurate as fuck. He also showed great vision and the ability to be a multi-read guy (which Evans definitely was not). I definitely look forward to what this team can do under Jackson, have a feeling Fuente might be able to open up the playbook a little more especially later on in the season.

I hear ya. I'm #teamJackson all the way. I just hope we can fill in his supporting cast and protect him this season.

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I'm #teamwhoevermakestheoffensego.

"I definitely like Hookers tape"

Come on man, don't tape the evidence.

I think Jackson is solid and probably a better leader at this point but dont forget come September French's comment about Hooker being Fuente's "guy". Fuente handpicked this guy from all the QB's nationally because he is a freak athlete but also a legit quarterback. He may not be strictly as accrate as Jackson but has a bigger arm and can make more explosive, Deshaun Watson-like plays.

Honestly, he was every bit as accurate as Jackson. The question is, will be make the proper reads and be that accurate against P5 defenses. Jackson had a strong fall camp last year, so we know what he will bring to the table. If Hooker can exceed that, we are in good shape.

Remember, Fuente will run the offense to simplify things as much as possible for his quarterback. For me, I think the tests for Hooker will be how he responds to steadily taking big licks in the running game, and does he protect the football by making the correct quick read in the passing game. Fuente isn't going to ask ANY of these QBs to drop back seven steps and go through three progressions.

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Fuente isn't going to ask ANY of these QBs to drop back seven steps and go through three progressions.

Great another season of people complaining about the QB not doing a full field of progressions.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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The unfortunate, but understandable, line of thinking that comes with being 5+ years late to the offensive revolution in college football. The pros of running a spread thoroughly outweigh the cons in most situations. The pro-style, multiple offense is the most versatile and reliable when you have a great QB and a stout offensive line. These are luxuries most college football programs don't have, and pretty much no program has consistently.

Errrrr..... Willis will have a hard time backing him up from Alabama.... dude signed with Auburn.

Lets GO!!!!

I believe he's referencing Ryan Willis, the transfer from Kansas, but he has to sit out a year before he can play.

AJ Bush on the other hand.......

Edit: Willis is transferring as a walk-on, forgot to mention

Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate, and hetzers gonna hetz

I'm actually only 7.5 hours from tech in nj. I can make it for saturday nooners if I need to.

Who you talkin bout, Willis?

Do you mean AJ Bush?

YOU RANG?

awesome, thanks for the insight

Are there any LBs that may project to DEs (hand down or stand up) or edge rushers from the Bear?

Do you project any of the class to start against the Mountaineers?

Edit: My bad, hadn't gotten that far down in the thread yet.

Does Wheatley play RB? Forgive me if I've missed a notation of where he would play. If so what does his film look like.

I think he is a running back. He is a natural comfortable player at the running back spot. I don't know that his vision and balance translates as well to other positions. I fully expect him to be a running back spot.

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Impressions of Wheatley...offense or defense?

edit: never mind (Emily Litella voice)

running back. i don't think he can play corner.

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I'm disappointed, but far from devastated.

1. I was hoping we were past the NSD drama and disappointments. I don't think we are.
2. Positions of need - I think we filled some of them, but CB is pretty concerning
3. OL - WE ALWAYS NEED OL and it looks like we consistently fall short on getting blue chippers in this area (except I think Grimes filled some needs back then)
4. Taking back 757 - I think we fell short here as well
5. 6th best recruiting class in the ACC - thats not gonna cut it. We aren't going to overtake FSU, Clemson, and Muck Fiami, but we can do better than UNC/Louisville (and they each stole a recruit we had a legitimate shot at)
EDITED to not detract from the rest of the post
6. UMD poached a couple of people from the 757 that I'd be we wish we had. I never like being outdone by UMD

Positives -
1. We took 3 of the top 10 in the state. I'm happy with that.
2. French told us not to worry too much and I believe him
3. We have CJF at the helm and Foster next to him - while I expected more recruiting momentum that comes with a new coach (see UMD, Iowa State, UGA), I believe in his ability to get us long term success.

Go Hokies!

Where are you seeing 6th best recruiting class in the ACC? 247 Composite has us 4th and 247 has us 3rd.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Thanks, Rivals is honestly a dying breed. A lot of their main guys have left in the past few years or so and it's starting to show. 247 jumped way ahead of them and ESPN probably soon to follow if they haven't passed them already. Heck, even some of their guys bolted for Scout.

247 Composite is probably the best ranking if you are looking for an average/most realistic view of our class.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

Not fully in-tune with how good one site is compared to another, but appreciate the insight.

Heck even ESPN has us at fourth behind FSU, Clemson, and Miami.

Where are you getting 6th best class in the ACC? Both 247 and ESPN have us at #4 behind FSU, Clemson, and Miami.

Haha, touche.

In Sam Rogers we trust.

1. I was hoping we were past the NSD drama and disappointments. I don't think we are.

I would like to have a signing day where we land a bunch of "up in the air" type guys with late decisions, but every school has bad years missing on guys. Even Alabama lost a decision on a 5* DE last year who everyone was projecting to Bama.

Iowa State

Please elaborate, they don't have a single 4* in their class.

UGA

We will likely never be able to recruit like UGA. Kirby Smart is one of the best recruiters in the country, Georgia is already a school that consistently recruits at a big time level, and Athens is about as easy a place in the country to get young adult males to go there.

while I expected more recruiting momentum that comes with a new coach

We landed multiple 4* players down the stretch, and flipped a 4* linebacker from a team that just won their conference. We also landed a series of recruits that we set up to announce several days in a row, that is big time momentum down the home stretch. I don't really know how much more recruiting momentum you were expecting, and I certainly don't think the amount was realistic.

Not trying to come at you sideways, I just really wanna know what you're thinking particularly about that last part.

Iowa State was in reference to last year

UGA recruits at a high level. They seemed to have exceeded their already high standard this year.

In retrospect, I should have been more specific in my examples (didn't want to get long winded, or at least more than I already was)

Please elaborate, they don't have a single 4* in their class.

The new coach bump is relative to program expectations. No Iowa State didn't have a 4*. However they did have a historic class for their program
http://iowastate.247sports.com/Article/Iowa-State-posts-highest-247Sport...

Same for UGA. Best class they've ever signed by far. The comparison isn't us and a top 3 UGA class. Its us and past VT classes. Top 25 class is where VT needs to consistently be, but I don't think there's much of a new coach bump there.

Much more eloquently stated than I did. Thank you

I don't know if "don't worry" is quite my take. Johnson and Speed were potential game changers. Those guys would have addressed two of the major worries about 2017 and beyond. Those were gut punches after we appeared to be sitting well with both a few weeks ago. Johnson especially was a guy who was raw, but he was so strong at the point of attack and played with an anger and attitude that makes the guys around him better (Hill is a guy like that on the roster.) You want those guys- guys like a Darryl Tapp... they make your program elite when you don't have Top 5 resources.

And based on today's announcement that the Hokie Club has only grown by 500, coming off the bowl win and a class where VT got Hunter, Rivers, and Garbutt- all three huge perception in state recruits, that is discouraging.

If Debose commits on Friday, I will feel much better about defensive end.

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And based on today's announcement that the Hokie Club has only grown by 500

Far and away the most discouraging thing I read today. We will never be consistently competing at the level the fanbase demands on the recruiting trail or in the coaching market (retaining coaches, hiring expensive top coaches) without the fanbase pumping more money into the program.

Discouraging but not unexpected. They're still learning how to fundraise at VT. Academically and Athletically, you're seeing the entire university realize they had to reinvent the wheel when it came to fundraising, because the current processes have been so outdated its easier to start over than build off it.

One thing I'm hearing is that you're going to see a push to intertwine the Hokie Club and Alumni Association a lot more than you have seen in the past to combine efforts. You're also going to see major alumni areas (Richmond, Nova, Tidewater, NRV, Baltimore, Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh) start to get increasing amounts of focus from the school in efforts to fundraise that will be specifically targeted for those regions. If you live there, you're going to start hearing from your Alumni Chapters a lot more than you have in the past, and its going to be coming directly from the VTAA and the Hokie Club.

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

That's great to hear. If Hokie Club can tap into the alumni database and mail out joint flyers with the Alumni Association promoting fundraising, I think we could reach a larger amount of potential donors. We've got a lot of great resources at VT, we just need to work better on integrating them.

I agree that it wasn't quite unexpected. I'm glad they are planning to expand focus into those areas you've mentioned, some of those have seen a big influx of Hokies. Hopefully they can really get the ball rolling with it after they've had some time to work those areas. I remain cautiously optimistic because I believe in Whit Babcock as an AD and fundraiser, and I believe that our team is on the rise which should help to an arguable degree to help nudge people into giving money/more money.

It's going to take a lot of time to get the Drive for 25 thing going. It's hard for recent grads to donate but I know a bunch that will more than likely jump on board when they are a little more settled. It's ambitious and I like that social media is pushing it. But I like that Whit is behind it more than anything.

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If I didn't read TKP, I may not have even heard of the Drive for 25. Engagement with alumni seems to be getting better, but it still has a long way to go.

Today was a good day, especially in consideration of the EE's that are also in this class.

There will always be signing day drama, we didn't lose anyone at the top of our board.

I would argue we won the turnover battle...lost Capehart...picked up Rivers, Glaze, and Watts.

In the rankings of the recruit averages...VT is about 20th in 247 (not the composite). Seems about right.

This is also, across the board, the fastest, most athletic VT recruiting class I can remember. Home run potential went up considerably. Suspect Fu is smiling.

We have important recruiting priorities for next year, no question. So do almost all of our peers.

Regarding #3, OL. Yes we always need OL. We need 2-3 OL every. single. class. and guess what? We recruited 2-3 OL this class. OL is very hard to project but the guys we picked up show the traits that cant be taught (quick feet, long reach). sure they need some developmental time, but that's why you want 15-18 OL on scholarship at any given time.

Also, Grimes didn't set the world on fire when it came to recruiting OL. He picked up 4 commits, one who prepped (T. Smith). One of them, Gallo, a 2-star prospect has has been a starter on OL. The only other one who has gotten reps has been Pettit as a TE not OL. So I wouldn't credit Grimes with any blue chippers. Searles flipped Clark who promptly gave up football, and landed Nijman, I think his efforts will have a far bigger positive impact on our OL than Grimes' efforts.

should take 4 OL every class. yes 4 x 5 is 20, but not everyone redshirts, not everyone even makes it to campus and not a ton of guys even exhaust all of their eligibility. This gives you more flexibility to take a project here and there and not have to count on them even though they probably aren't good enough to play at this level.

4 quality OL every year is a stretch. OSU got 3, FSU got 1, Bama got 4.

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I didn't use the word quality and even said it could include projects. What they got this year also depends on what they currently have on the roster.

FSU took 6 last year btw.

I'm saying expecting 4 every year is a stretch. You can't take 4 projects every year on scholarship. This year Tech will have what 18 OL in spring?

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Not a stretch at all when you factor in what I mentioned above. Also never said to take 4 projects every class I said taking 4 allows you to take a project every now and then.

I count 14 OL on scholarship, which is including Petit who is basically the in-line TE now. Not sure where you are getting 18 from.

Kearns, Jackson, Teller, Chung, Plantin, Gallo, Mitchell, Osterloh, Nijman, Pfaff, Hoyt, Moore, Smith and Pettit. I'd also expect some attrition from the group after the spring.

Tech isn't going to recruit OL like the top schools, they don't have the name or pedigree, so realistically what are you hoping to see in a 4 person OL scholarship class? One 3 * and three same or lowers?

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You are putting a lot of words and assumptions in my mouth that I've never said. I fully realize our limitations with recruiting. I think shooting for one 4 star OL and 3 mid tier 3 stars per class is within the realm of possibilities. Almost all, if not all, of the guys I listed were composite 3 stars. I'm not suggesting we start recruiting like Stanford (pulled in 2 of the top 3 OTs).

Teller, moore and nijman were 4 stars, but 2 of the 3 were rated as defensive prospects.

That's what I'm not understanding, do you want four 3* and better guys out of high school projected to OL? I just don't see that happening every year with the lack of production in our surrounding states for those kinds of prospects. For me I think 3 OL one of whom is a high 3* and the other two nonlower than high 2* with a project player either JUCO, DL2OL guy every other year.

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So you basically want to keep the status quo, and I think that isn't enough. Thought I laid out what I thought pretty clearly, so not going to keep going back and forth trying to explain.

Almost everyone is a 3 star nowadays so suggesting only taking 1 3* and two that could be high 2*s is a terrible standard.

The status was some years was getting no OL. I'm trying to be realistic for the next few years, getting upset when the new staff with same limited resources can't suddenly be the best at their level of recruiting is the wrong approach.

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No one is asking for the best. Asking for a pretty average haul.

When was the last year we took 0 OL? You're making stuff up now. 2011 was the least I saw us take with Jake Goins as the lone OT, but only went back to 2010 as that's recent history in my mind.

Sorry meant 0 who contributed. We have had some years where the OL recruits haven't enrolled, left football with injuries prior to taking a snap, or had no impact beyond getting a kid on campus. I'd rather see Vice get guys who can impact the game than say he needs 4 guys of a certain rank. French and every other expert I've read say OL is the hardest to eval and offer to. For example looking at 2018 OL rankings for VA every 4/5 OL has 20 plus offers already. Tech will be fighting for these guys against teams with more history, pedigree and money every step of the way. What is you point where Vice and other recruiters have failed? What OL recruits this year did they fail on?

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marcus minor was one that was very high on us for one. We need to not just look in VA for OL recruits. There are plenty and they don't have to be 4/5 stars.

yeah its not unreasonable for VT to get 3-4 3* OL/class, or a 4* and three 3*...realistically we've been lucky if 2 OL/class become major contributors, so you need to get enough bodies in to improve the odds

Yup pretty much what I'm saying. Add one more per class at a slightly better average than we've been seeing. Shouldn't be hard the bar is not set very high. All of our OL, minus dzansi (who I think is extremely overrated by 247) are amongst the bottom of our recruits ranking wise. I also realize OL ranking is a crapshoot, but watching their film I can see why they'd be rated where they were.

French busted his ass on this and some of y'all turned it into a shit-show. Perhaps everyone who contributed to the degradation of this discussion could tell him "thank you" or even "apologies for fucking up something you put a ton of effort, energy, and time into (on a fucking weekday morning nonetheless)".

This is an opportunity for TKPers, via excellent questions, to help dictate some of the offseason articles published on TKP.

The majority of y'all wasted that opportunity.

Edit: This was supposed to be a reply into the fray above.

... this is a bit out of left field. There is a TON of great discussion. This statement is one of the few truly negative things in the thread.

It's not a negative statement. It's an assessment. I know how long French has worked on breaking down the film and compiling notes on these signees. And from my perspective it's quite frustrating for some of the uncalled for back-and-forth above to take away from the discussion he was looking forward to having.

I'm in agreeance with this statement. I read through the whole thread and the vast majority of comments are legit. I think that Joe is completely out of line with his comment. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all he does for the site, but that was uncalled for. As for French.. many hats off to the hard work that you have put into this thread and all the others you do.

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agreeance

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So while there is no rule preventing the formation...

Exactly.

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right, I didn't know it was a word so I looked it up. Figured I'd post the definition for anyone else who thought it was a misstep...The more you know

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Copy that. Leg for you sir.

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Agreed. I don't really feel like the discussion here got out of hand too often... and when it did, the community self-moderated.

Not really sure this type of semi-official "you guys suck" post is really necessary.

If you're reading the above post and thinking, "is this guy serious?!?," you can safely assume I'm not.

1. Comment was supposed to be a reply to where into the scrap above. Did not intend for it to come across as blanketed.

2. French has been on my couch since 8:45 AM. He remarked to me a few times that the back-and-forth above steered away the conversation and recruiting discourse he was looking forward to. At the time I skimmed the thread and it held true. I know all the behind the scenes work he put into breaking down the film and writing what he did. (And for what it's worth, I put a lot of work into editing it and getting the thread together.)

3. I will always stick up for members of my team and friends. It wasn't a "you guys suck". It was a "have some respect for the time and effort put in to deliver an experience like this".

4. Again I need to remind myself to care much less about TKP.

Thank you. The thread definitely improved after 1:00PM. I hope I have addressed all the questions well.

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Apologies for steering it in that direction

Don't let this comment take away from the fact that Arkansas blew a 24 point 2nd half lead in the Belk Bowl.
Don't let the Belk Bowl take away from the fact that Matt Ryan blew a 25 point 2nd half lead in the Super Bowl.

appreciated- I just didn't want the thread to become so dense and terse that it chased folks off.

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Didn't see it that way, just lot of passionate discussion. I very much value the info and insight i seem to get here at TKP and that is why I joined the TKP players club.

Appreciate you being good people, fam.

It's been great, thanks for taking the time. I think in general people are in read&react mode as news comes in, then once it settles down rational thought takes over again. There's been lots of great content though, perhaps we can corale it into it's own topic when we're done so new visitors don't have to wade through all the muck.

I was up till 1 am and now woke up at 5:30 am to check this article specifically for French's hot takes.

Thanks for the effort Cheese-Hater! Don't have much to add to the convo beyond my appreciation from afar.

Is there no way to moderate such that questions can be asked elsewhere and addressed in this thread? In other words, close off comments other than yours to retain focus? You could repeat the question along with your answers & analysis, no?

You can go to the comments tab at the top and the look at "my comments" and look if there are any unread replies.

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Do me a favor, play with all those buttons joe put after your name on the comment (starting with # ^)

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I think you misunderstood. I take it that He was asking if French could have had an isolated live thread without the mess of bickering mingled in.

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French, what do you think about the OL recruits and the OL situation going into next year? Any ideas about the right side of the line?

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French, I've seen a few comparisons made between Bryce Watts to Stroman. Do you think this is a legitimate style of play/athletic comparison, or just because they are similar size and speed? If it's a legitimately grounded comparison, color me very thankful we were able to come in late and land him.

Not as fast, probably better technique-wise at the same age. Watts reminds more more of Kyle Fuller in coverage. Not huge, but bigger than he looks. Long arms. Plays the ball well on intermediate routes.

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Unfortunately, as it's been in years past, 35% - 50% of this class will have little to no impact on the field for VT football. Whether it's qualifying, off field issues, playing time, etc. a lot of these guys will leave sooner than expected.

With that in mind, French, if you were a betting man, who would be the 5 players in this years class that you think will have the most successful career in a VT uniform and why?

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95% of what I say is sarcastic. The other 5% is usually taken out of context.

Which is exactly why you have to have depth and convince the kids that competition makes them better. Chuck Clark ended up being tremendous. Holland Fisher ended up being a bust. The ratings nationally matter much less than having athleticism that fits your scheme, attitude that works well with your coaching/teaching style, and a hard-hat mentality.

That being said, there are guys that you can feel good about. I am going to go with:

Hunter
Kearney
Holston
Farley
Hooker

Rivers can be really good- how he adjusts to not being the overwhelmingly the best athlete on the field and dealing with blockers that can handle his strength will be a good barometer. And as much as I like Rivers, Foster is doing a great job recruiting the linebacker position for 2018. Imagine the competition with competitors like Ashby and Beckett, Kearney's speed, Rivers in place, and Dax Hollifield and Keshon Artis as top targets that are high on VT. We could go from almost a barren cupboard to the most talented linebacker group in years.

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Interesting that you're so high on Holston. I think his downhill running style will fit the zone-read well, but not much wiggle or patience shown in his film.

My 5 are:

Hunter
Farley
Hooker
Savoy
Debose (Assuming we land him on Friday)

Bonus: Smith. Will be a road grader in the Sergio Render mold. Already 270 with quick feet and looks like he can add 10-15 and still move well.

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Are we certain that Smith with ultimately end up as a down lineman? Looks to have size, quicks, and hands. Would be really interesting to see him develop as a true TE.

Yes. I don't think Smith is quite on board with it yet and wants to be a TE. By the time he gets through a year in S&C he will be huge for a TE.

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French... that last post made me so happy.... top LB group in the country?!?!?! Give Bud that kind of LB talent with Hunter back there and watch the F out!

This was my 1st NSD with TKP and overall I believe it delivered. A YUGE THANK YOU to French for his tremendous contributions to this and EVERY thread he touches. TKP remains the best Hokie athletic fan site in existence!

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Is there any concern with the size of the WR recruits? I understand the smaller stature is good for the slot. But other than Farley there aren't any long WR gets, thoughts?

Grimsley and Farley are bigger bodies. Pimpleton and Savoy meet a huge missing element from last year. Remember, Diablo, Patterson, Denmark, and Kumah were all traditional split ends. If Fuente feels good about their growth, I like it. I wanted to see them land one guy who could be a difference maker. They tried with DJ Matthews, and now they are going high-risk, high reward on Robinson.

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This is why I'm most excited about Farley. If we are going to bring in 3 star WR recruits, I want them to have the opportunity to be great. So either blazing fast or height. He's got IAF_1 height.

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Any idea why VT doesn't pull in top cornerback recruits? It's DBU and Bud is clearly one of, if not the best, DC in the country and we have a solid amount of Hokie DBs in the NFL. Is there something the school/team can't provide to get more corners?

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I don't know the answer, but also curious. How many TOP CB recruits are there? Maybe the top programs snatch up the short supply?

I don't know but I guess I remember yesteryears of always talking about Fullers, Macho, Facyson, etc. This year we got Watts and there was mention of Speed. Not much else besides Capehart maybe.

Just seems to me that guys who play corner would want to come here based on our defensive pedigree and ability to put them in the pros. We have a pretty nice list of guys who have gone pro that played corner here.

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We have at different points. Speed was the guy, and the backstory there has always been he is a Hokie unless Georgia offers. Georgia didn't offer for a long time. When they missed on a couple of targets, they offered and he couldn't resist.

Otherwise, I don't know if I saw them offer a top end corner recruit besides Watts. He seems to have been plan A, B, and C. Perhaps that was where Capehart was headed and that is why VT was trying to get another WR at the end of the cycle. Capehart's film didn't impress me much at either position as a senior.

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Thanks as always!

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Ok, I know someone will ask this. Here is my breakdown of immediate impact, dress, borderline, and redshirt guys.

Will play immediately if not start:
Hunter, Keene, and two of the three between Farley, Pimpleton, and Savoy based on role. The development of Patterson, Kumah, and Denmark (leaving out Deablo until it is confirmed that he is moving to defense) will factor and all three could play. Pimpleton will be the punt returner (especially to protect Stroman) and Farley-Savoy could both be the kickoff return guys. Keene is fully developed physically and his ability to move and be physical at the point of attack is intriguing and I am sure Fuente loves his versatility. Griffin I think will be an immediate factor on special teams, especially on kick and punt block and kickoff coverage.

Good enough to play immediately, but circumstances may prevent it:
Rivers- has an established senior starter in front of him, and Beckett moved to mike. Will they shirt him or burn a shirt for him to be a backup and play teams?

Kearny- same issue, plus he will miss the spring with an injury- I think he will be a special player, and the lack of depth at backer makes him a potential candidate, but true freshman without the benefit of spring at a position where there is an established starter is tough.

Garbutt/Debose/Porcher-With Sobczak leaving, Foster may be forced to move Mihota inside. That makes Gaines-Hill your starters with only Taylor as a back up. Debose and Porcher could step in and be dependable right away. Garbutt has the upside. That will be a battle in fall camp for that one spot.

Holston- fills an immediate need unless DJ Reid returns and does whatever he needs to do to win over Fuente. Fuente was gushing over Holston on the Hokiesports special, but if he has three/four veteran backs in front of him perhaps a redshirt makes sense. If there is attrition, he will get carries.

Hezekiah Grimsley- Grimsley doesn't get talked about much, but he is the only player that truly fits that split end position. He is a solid route runner, average athlete, and he does a spectacular job of controlling his body and high pointing the ball on 50/50 balls. If Kumah, Patterson, or Denmark don't make that next step up, he could avoid a redshirt.

Expect a redshirt-
All the offensive line. All four commitments have good feet and frames, but they need to add P5 strength. I don't see any of them making an immediate impact. On OL, I think that Osterloh will move into that right guard role after a battle with Kyle Chung, Plantin will battle TJ Jackson and Thomas Hopple at right tackle, and Austin Cannon will push Eric Gallo at center, with Chung and Smith still as options. Depth here is not as much of a worry, as they have a bunch of bodies. Ready to play depth was a bigger worry and this class doesn't have it. To be far, few of their targets met the criteria either.

Watts- needs to add muscle- corner depth isn't an immediate worry with Facyson returning.

Ashby- I think he will be a good mike, but with Rivers committing, Beckett moving to mike, and Rivers committing, there are not many reps to go around. He will have to wow people to not redshirt.

Deilius- Good pass catching hybrid tight-end receiver. Unless Fuente wants a tall red zone target, he needs some seasoning.

Terius Wheatley- Like Holston, he could play-depending on attrition.

And last

Nathan Proctor- terrific athlete, but he doesn't look like a fluid down hill player yet to go in and factor at defensive end. He sat back and read plays and moved side to side- something that we don't see much of in a Bud defense (except against GT.) I think he could be a really good player, but he will benefit from a year of learning and repetitions going through the drills that make Bud's DEs effective.

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Awesome stuff, French.

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There hasn't been much talk about Ashby and he is not a "glamour" recruit (agree on the redshirt), but his HS productivity was ridiculous and I think there is a lot to be said for that. He is very, very good at tackle football.

His tackling is a thing of beauty. Every single tackle has his pad level low, head up, hips below his pads and arms wrapping up.

Can he tackle in space? That is the question. He looks very similar to Motuapuaka at the same age, except Ashby gets downhill more assertively. I really like the kid, but suddenly mike is a deep position.

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and it is a nice problem...time to start the 3-4 rumors!

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"Is Bud going to change to a 3-4" is rapidly becoming my next "will Dwayne Lawson be the starter against Ohio State."

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Bad questions about freshmen coming in and crushing the whole world are the biggest reason why I don't attend Hokieclub events anymore.

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you did a fantastic job today...much appreciated

I am very excited about him and Rivers. Both guys with some size who appear to possess great linebacker instincts. I haven't said that about too many of our linebacker signees in a while.

The big thing about Ashby is I don't know how much bigger he can get. He is stout and has muscle on top of muscle. I would call him Popeye but I don't want him to tackle me.

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Hell of a write up, French. Thank you for the insight, it certainly will be an interesting Fall to look forward to

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Do you think Bradburn will be the starting punter?

I will defer to kicking experts on that one. I am not that guy.

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THIS. This is what I came to this thread for.

French, the job that you do for us Hokies is second to none. You, as well as the guys over at TSL, are fantastic. Much appreciated!

Foster may be forced to move Mihota inside

not this again...

Yep, it isn't what I want. Bud has a tough choice, hurt DE and make a proven starter at DE a part timer at DT. If Settle or Walker got hurt, it would probably be a lock that he moved inside.

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To be honest, I am more ok with it due to the NEED for him to play there over the whole Wiles flip flopping crap. I really hope he can stay outside though.

another option is keep mihota at DE and just slide him over to take some of settle's reps when he needs a break. Vinny obviously has much better conditioning. Vinny gets taken off the field quite often in passing situations anyways at DE.

French thanks for the write up, great read as always. If Garbutt ends up on O, do you see him being a WR, TE, or a Bucky-type hybrid?

Tight end in name, in theory a Jace Amaro/Bucky guy who lines up wide and in the slot. We will see where that goes. I think you will hear tomorrow that Bud wants him badly at DE.

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French, reading your write up on Sean Savoy has me really excited about him. Is the bigger priority to have him on O or D?

O- but they have some flexibility because of the redundancy between his style of play and Pimpleton. If Pimpleton becomes as good a receiver as he is a running threat from the slot, it could give VT the flexibility to look at Savoy outside. Savoy is a weapon on offense though- really like the kid (especially if he is still growing.)

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French,

as you consider some of the "misses" or "holes" in this class combined with the losses & attrition we will see next year, what are some "must-get" positions in next years class? Are there some guys we (particularly in-state) that we need to lock down?

Is it football season yet?

Defensive tackle

A dominant interior DL

Corner

Quarterback (always get at least one- I love Ellis, but he could play elsewhere if Joyner, Hopkins, or the Robinson kid from the midwest gets signed.)

Free safety

Obviously it would hurt if they don't get Devyn Ford in 2019 or Ricky Slade in 2018.

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and 6 o-line recruits every year, amirite?

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