The Lane Stadium Experience in 2022

I was going to put this in the "Vent" thread, but thought it deserved it's own forum topic.

Anyway, I know we're all disappointed with the on-field performance of the team last night, but here's another thing that I was hoping we'd never have to vent about: the Lane Stadium experience.

Don't get me wrong, it's impressive that we can get 60,000+ to show up for a bad team, but boy the stadium experience is just not what it was.

I know it's not everyone, but the students are acting like absolute clowns. Throwing bottles into crowds with families and small children. Pushing and shoving fans around. Elbowing people in the face. Screaming obscenities at fans that are just trying to enjoy the game. Etc. etc. etc. And I'm sure other people on here can vouch for this happening.

It's getting to the point where I would barely feel comfortable taking my wife and small children to the game, which is really, REALLY pathetic.

On top of that, we've got fans (likely students) leaving at halftime of a tight game against a bitter rival?? When did that become a thing??

I don't know exactly how it got to this point, but I'm sure there has got to be a way to turn this around again. I realize I'm not offering much in the way of help/suggestions, but just wanted to vent a little bit and see if y'all had any similar experiences.

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From TV, the students looked straight up bored. My wife (not from a football school) was curious why everyone looked so unengaged (this was the first quarter)

Crowd was juiced at first, then by mid second quarter it just seemed liked people were resigned to us losing even though it was still close. Maybe due to the terrible offensive performance? Very flat atmosphere for a close rivalry game.

Maybe you can call me a Debbie Downer but I felt the game was over when we went for the 4th and 1 and didn't get it. That was the first call of Pry's that I completely disagreed with. We aren't good enough to leave points on the field and it felt like the offense lost a bunch of confidence after that failed conversion.

I have spent all weekend defending the decision to go for it was the absolute correct one. The two crappy play calls I do not agree with.
We needed a punch in the mouth to stay afloat in this one and with a turnover and the crowd pumped, it's exactly the time to go for it.
People forget our kicker to that point has a total of 5 FG's under his belt in any form of competitive football. FG's at that distance are not guaranteed, and I think we can see that those 3 points became completely useless by the end

We needed TD's in order to win that game and Pry knew it. Unfortunately we decided to run the 2 plays up the gut back to back when we could already see that was not going to be high probability of conversion.

I don't mind the decision. I do mind the call.

I didn't hate either, tbh. We're not good enough to run that play successfully right now but we need to be. Dress for the job you want, not the one you have. We'll get there. In a couple years, I think we'll be one of those teams where when we line up for it on 4th and 1 and everyone in the stadium knows what's coming and everyone in the stadium also knows that it can't be stopped. That is what Pry wants to do to teams and I'm here for it. Even if it takes a few years to get there.

Onward and upward

Agreed it is something we need to be able to do. I think it was obvious to everyone in the stadium that a run up the middle was probably 50/50 at best. Do you throw a 5 yd hitch, slant route, or screen with better odds? I'm not sure but it feels like getting a playmaker on the edges was our best outcome at the time

That is what I was hoping for.

Ah, the days of the Wild Turkey formation and Greg Boone acting as a bulldozer.

Boooooooooooonnneeeee!!!!!!!

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

I think this kicker might be the best one we've had in a long time.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: β€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.” - David Teel Tweet 2018

Yep! Perfect on extra points (9 of 9 DAMN I wish the number itself was higher but iiwii) and 6 for 6 field goals with 5 of those from over 40. Awesome stats!!

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

High praise considering the last two also played on Sundays the last couple years.

This is hard to read about every week. Its like COVID flipped a switch on people behaving in public or these kids parents are just assholes. I went to every home game from 2004-2015 and not once did I have an issue with VT students even as a student myself in the middle of NEZ.

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I think our expansion has led to taking many kids of questionable character

Free Hugh

I didn't know character was part of the admissions assessment. What portion of the SAT covers character again?

Would you like Prys with that?

You're making my point for me. SATs aren't even required by VT anymore

Free Hugh

Because the SAT is predictive of nothing aside from the ability of a student (or their family) to afford test prep. Most universities are dropping the requirement and VT is studying this policy over a period of years to assess whether dropping the SAT requirement leads to any change in retention or graduation rates. Thus far, there is only positive evidence and I would doubt an SAT requirement would be reinstated.

To the point at hand, VT has a holistic assessment process that evaluates the academic rigor of a student's high school education including the qualifications of the school and their grading policies (and any known grade inflation) as well as a non-cognitive assessment. This is done through a series of essays that are evaluated for an applicant's character traits, leadership skills, etc. The current process has led to an increasingly diverse student body with a range of talents. Behavioral issues are happening country-wide and are nothing to do with how VT admits students.

Because the SAT is predictive of nothing aside from the ability of a student (or their family) to afford test prep.
This is outright false.

The second paragraph is a dressed up way of saying VT is materially increasing enrollment and instead of admitting that the only way to do that is to lower standards, they just changed the standards. When VT adds 5000 students, they don't get students that would be attending NCST, GT, UVA, W&M. They get students who would have gone to Radford, VCU, ODU. This is represented by the drop in enrollment over the last few years at RU.

The worst part of this gaslighting is the soft notion that because this new process has led to a more diverse student body, criticism of it is a front for underlying bigotry.

Most universities are dropping the requirement and VT is studying this policy over a period of years to assess whether dropping the SAT requirement leads to any change in retention or graduation rates.
Behavioral issues are happening country-wide and are nothing to do with how VT admits students.

Perhaps these too are related and the muddling of real rigorous standards has led to a drop in the quality of students nationwide.

Please provide a source for your first assertion. Standardized tests are more strongly correlated with socioeconomic status than outcomes at universities. GRE scores are almost meaningless, too. Hence the rash of universities dropping them. We had plenty of students in our program with great standardized test scores who flamed out because they couldn't succeed in a graduate research environment. The test provided no value so we dropped it and have been doing great. SAT is similar. It has limited or no predictive value in a student succeeding at a university, be it through GPA, first year retention rates, or graduation. It's a weak predictor at best.

The second paragraph is a dressed up way of saying VT is materially increasing enrollment and instead of admitting that the only way to do that is to lower standards, they just changed the standards.

Except statistics say that's not true. It's harder than ever to get into VT if you look solely at academic credentials. I'm sorry that I can't fully summarize the hourlong presentation I got from the director of admissions (and the full questioning by faculty afterwards) but while VT is looking at different criteria than in the past, it's simply not true that standards are lower. And students are going on to increasingly strong careers and winning more awards/external scholarships.

Perhaps these too are related and the muddling of real rigorous standards has led to a drop in the quality of students nationwide.

Or there is a generational change in people's behavior, influence of social media, politics, etc. but I'm not going to get into that here as we will quickly be down a rabbit hole of discussion that isn't appropriate here.

I think hand in hand with these is people having access to information more widely and quicker. Perception versus reality in a lot of cases is just because people are only now area of things that have gone on for a long time. It's a big part of my grad classes when we talk about perception of risk to certain hazards and disasters when in reality the risk to many is low and the ones they don't perceive as a risk really are.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Social media, sure. But this is also a problem in modern journalism. Yeah: Rabbit Hole.

The MIT article above includes their research on the subject. I'm sure there is a positive relationship between people who paid for test prep and higher scores (otherwise no one would pay for test prep). To say that the only predictive value of the SAT is whether the parents could afford test prep is so absurd that you don't even believe that. Here is an example to prove this. There are two groups of 100 applicants separated by test results, group A all scored 1400 and group B all scored 1000. We want to test which group performed better in college general Chemistry. Now run this 1000 times to rule out a sampling error. You are telling me you believe the results come back 50/50?

We had plenty of students in our program with great standardized test scores who flamed out because they couldn't succeed in a graduate research environment.

This is an example of using the exception as the rule. We aren't talking about a natural law that can't be violated. There are obviously people who have scored very well on tests who were unsuccessful in their academic pursuits and vice versa. To say because this happens standardized tests have zero predictive value is dishonest.

Except statistics say that's not true. It's harder than ever to get into VT if you look solely at academic credentials. I'm sorry that I can't fully summarize the hourlong presentation I got from the director of admissions (and the full questioning by faculty afterwards) but while VT is looking at different criteria than in the past, it's simply not true that standards are lower. And students are going on to increasingly strong careers and winning more awards/external scholarships.

There are so many contradicting claims in your posts. You are simultaneously arguing that academic measures such as SAT are not predictive and therefore not useful in admissions but VT is harder to get into than ever by academic measures. Also if objective measures such as SAT are not a factor but subjective measures such as character and leadership traits have greater emphasis in admissions. Then it is hard to make an objective case that standards are higher now when the admissions process is admittedly more subjective.

Regarding the SAT, many studies over many years have shown it to be a poor predictor of college success. GPA is a better indicator. GPA combined with SAT is slightly better than GPA alone. VT still uses GPA as an admissions requirement, and on average, the GPA of entering students in high school has gone up. Since VT has eliminated the SAT as a requirement (while still allowing students to opt-in for submitting their scores, which a slight majority still do), application numbers have increased as has first-semester GPA while enrolled at VT (3.19 in Fall 2019 vs. 3.23 in Fall 2021, the most recent numbers we have). While those numbers may not indicate any kind of statistically significant increase, and it is admittedly just two data points, they reflect the fact that, academically, VT students are not performing any worse than they did when our applications required the SAT. We will continue on our "test optional" policy for three years to study full retention and graduation data, and make a decision based on those outcomes. Twelve peer institutions and all public colleges in VA alone that have gone test-optional in recent years, so it's not like we're some kind of outlier. Overall, I remain steadfast that many studies conclude that SAT scores are weak predictors of student outcomes in college. My original remarks may have been a bit flippant, but the point stands. VT students are just as successful in the classroom as they have ever been, if not better, since our removal of the testing requirement.

Regarding the GRE,

This is an example of using the exception as the rule.

Or it's not.

It's not a natural law, but it's been proven that the GRE general test sucks at predicting whether students will succeed in completing post-graduate degrees. One such statistic (cite by https://www.manhattanreview.com/gre-predictor-of-success/) is:

An analysis of the GRE's validity in predicting graduate school success found a correlation of 0.30 to 0.45 between GRE score and graduate grade point average. The study also found a correlation of 0.11 to 0.39 between GRE score and graduate school completion rates.

So yeah, coin flip, or worse, in both GPA and degree completion. Further reading on the topic: https://www.science.org/content/article/gres-dont-predict-grad-school-su...

A really interesting example related specifically to physics: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aat7550

Notably, this study found that students who scored in the lower 50th percentile had similar degree completion rates as those who scored among the top:

...students scoring below the 50th percentile successfully complete the Ph.D. and they do so at a rate similar to those who scored higher. Given the limited statistical significance, the practical significance is also low: For the U.S.-only model, women and men scoring at the 90th percentile for those groups only have completion probabilities 7% greater than those at the 10th percentile.

And that was for the physics-specific test for those going into graduate programs in physics. So even a discipline-specific test doesn't do a very good job. There are many similar studies that don't focus directly on physics. We have assessed the data in our own program and are still confident that removing the GRE requirement was the right move. We have had an uptick in excellent applicants who are now excellent students in the program. That is admittedly anecdotal, but we examined a number of studies on the matter and they all come to the same general conclusion. The GRE general test is not particularly useful in predicting success in graduate school.

There are so many contradicting claims in your posts. You are simultaneously arguing that academic measures such as SAT are not predictive and therefore not useful in admissions but VT is harder to get into than ever by academic measures.

Let me be more specific. VT is attracting an increasingly competitive applicant pool in terms of GPA, valedictorians, higher class ranks, etc. Ignore SAT for a moment. If the whole discussion is basically that VT has lower standards for entrance and somehow riff-raff are now polluting our campus for the blind desire to increase enrollment, that assertion lacks any basis in fact. And as I noted above, our students are performing better than they were a few years ago in terms of on-campus assessments by VT faculty (again, I will stipulate the small increase in GPA might be statistical noise but at least the outcomes are on par and not lower by any measurable amount). Our current holistic evaluation process does still include academic rigor as a main component, but also allows for students to score points with evaluators with non-cognitive assessments in essay questions. This opens the door of opportunity to more students, and they're doing just fine. And we haven't needed standardized testing as a requirement to maintain this standard.

I would be curious to see how /if at all gpa inflation is affecting the metrics

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That's all nice, but the entire premise is based on GPAs maintaining a certain numerical score, or graduation rates being similar.

As if those things aren't mostly normalized.

In other words, my distinct impression is that many professors have a general idea of what their grade distributions are going to be for a particular class before the class even starts, and may adjust the grades for an entire class, either through harder or easier tests, adding "extra credit", or increasing grades. So they aren't really immune to grade inflation. Making this quite a hard thing to measure with any level of accuracy unless the tests stay the same.

I would agree that test prep increases scores, but what percentage of students pay for test prep in high school? I would agree that too much of high school seems to be focused on standardized tests, rather than generally educating students.

It would seem to defy logic that you can significantly increase enrollment without lowering standards, even as political leaders are promoting the idea that "everyone needs to go to college". And the folks attempting to measure such things always seem to have some interest in the results.

As far as standards go, If you look at high school tests from years past, you can't help but wonder if average college students would pass them these days.

LMAO I love how everyone's like 'yea, that guy who has spent his whole career in higher ed knows nothing about it. I saw some rowdy 18-22 year olds, VT admissions must be slipping.'

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You haven't made a point. Aside from just shear numbers (x% of people are of questionable character), how has expansion impacted the character of the student body?

How so? By what measure were we assessing character that we've loosened up? By the admissions metrics, VT is more selective than ever.

Because the metrics have inflated while we've actually gotten worse at skills like math.

https://www.k12dive.com/news/act-study-finds-grade-inflation-in-high-sch...

My sister is 10 years younger than me and watching her go through school was crazy. She was basically allowed to retake any test an unlimited amount of times for full replacement. The high schools and individual teachers are incentivized to pass their students and give them good grades.

Free Hugh

I have four kids that I know of. They range from 16 to 23. I can attest to this 100% and we live in Loudoun County, which for a long time had an excellent education based reputation. What I believe tjb is referencing is not the actual "bullet pointed" items that make up the assessment but rather the fact that the school has increased its enrollment significantly over the years and therefore the "guard rails" have widened, thus the "characters" aspects in general may have a lower bar if you will. It is surely an intangible, so it is more thought basis. My wife and I were talking about this theorized topic the other day.

Also, yes, I do think my generation of parents, in general, are assholes. The socio-cultural pressure of keeping up with the Jones', giving their kids everything, not requiring them to work, having to show everyone how awesome they are on social media, the "my kid is an angel" and does nothing wrong....I can go on and on, has led to a very non-aware, narcissistic attitude/outlook. The lack of "old school" parenting my generation received is sorely a miss in my assessment.

Stopped reading after the first sentence. Leg.

the numbers don’t lie and they spell disaster

I don't disagree that there is grade inflation. But, I disagree that if VT admitted 30% less students that the 70% percent remaining would be of "higher character." What evidence do you have to support the "extra 30%" are the ones with more "questionable character"?

Bro do want me to scientifically define character? This entire thread is based on the premise of students are shittier in recent years and my proposal is expansion is a major cause. To me, kids that are worried about keeping a 4.0 in their stem classes seem less likely to be the kids chucking empty glass airplane bottles at the football game. It's all conjecture. Do you have a better proposal?

Free Hugh

I have known many high achieving assholes who would chuck bottles into a crowd because they're entitled. Persons of shitty character are all across the GPA spectrum

Thank you!

You're basically arguing that intelligence is correlated to being a decent human being. I call bullshit.

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One of the reasons I got out of academia - the level of basic competence in things like grammar dropped quite a bit from my first year teaching in 1998 until 2010. I had seniors that were Dean's List that consistently couldn't use your/you're/you are correctly.
And it isn't just VT - I have a stepdaughter that got an English degree elsewhere in 2019. She sent her Dad her senior thesis to copy edit. The amount of red on that paper was shocking when he finished.
She got a high A on the final product that he decided to mark up again - countless errors that would have made her paper a C in my era or her father's. Don't get me started that it made heavy use of Harry Potter themes.
I thought the 25k cap was a very good one for our campus in a state crammed full of choices for higher ed. The pool of quality students isn't unlimited as much as we push higher ed as essential in our culture.

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

Wow a primary source. Thanks for sharing.

Free Hugh

I was a weirdo for wanting to a focus on undergraduate education. The press was hard on research, new grad programs. I'm on boards for grad program development and saying things like, "but these kids can't SPELL." The cognitive dissonance was just too much.
Not the student's fault though - they weren't arriving to campus prepared, somthing hard to convice senior faculty that were only teaching 4k and 5k level courses. There's a reason there is such a good homeschool network in my area - and they were often my best students at the private college where I was teaching after leaving VT.

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

So true. My dad's dad had an 8th grade education but probably had a better level of knowledge/schooling than many college graduates today. My parents pushed us to focus on core skills and analytical thinking. At work I see glaring grammatical errors and misspellings constantly-and not just in IMs or emails but in corporate communications both internal and external. Nothing inspires confidence in the competence of a company or person than a lack of attention to detail ....if you can't even SPELL things correctly, what else are you missing?

Also the inability to do basic math like making change, the ignorance of most to how statistics and percentages work, and the short attention spans of many today(kids and adults alike) does not bode well. I think someone else mentioned that too many folks exaggerate fear of things that are extremely unlikely, while things that are actually far greater dangers are blithely ignored.

I think a great deal of education is simply being widely read-not just USA today 'factoids' but in depth op-ed and articles, and the great classics as well. It builds vocabulary, exposes one to a large variety of ideas, and helps build the ability to think critically and independently, instead of blindly following the opinions trending on twitter or facebook or even the mainstream media.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

At work my wife overheard two coworkers arguing about where Ukraine was and they settled that it was in Switzerland. These are two people with college degrees. College degree != intelligence.

Oh yeah-geography is one area that is even worse. When I was in high school, we had to fill in maps of the world with just the outlines of the country. Many people now struggle to know even the geography of their own country. I understand mixing up the relative positions of the Scandinavian countries, or things like Vermont/New Hampshire, etc. or the specifics of the Balkans after the breakup of Yugoslavia or the "stans" that came out of the breakup of the Soviet Union-but many folks couldn't find Afghanistan or Israel on a map despite those being in the center of world events for ages. For all the folks that talked about Darfur, most people were lucky if they could name the right continent, much less the country and where it is.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

So what we are saying with this subthread is we are basically well on our way to idiocracy.

This isn't just a VT-issue. I've read about so many schools having these issues. Don't really know how to solve it to be honest.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My Rant on the Experience?

The changed the shuttle buses this year and they aren't as frequent and drop off in different places. The CRC shuttle bus now drops and picks up by Cassel instead of the South End Zone? That means you have to walk away from your cars to try and catch a bus that might run once per hour. We were 3/4 of the way back the 1.25 mile walk to the car when the shuttle bus passed us.

I am not sure what happened last night, but we got to gate 3 last night at 6:35. It took the normal 15 minutes to get to the scanner. At which point all motion stopped. It was packed to the gills under the stands with nobody apparently going to their seats. The police and event staff held us place in the hall between the scanners and the concourse for over 30 minutes. Eventually, after the cannon went off we were informed by police that we had to leave and go around to a different gate!!!

We had to go to gate 4, argue that we had already had our tickets scanned and that is why they weren't working. Then go back through the area they wouldn't let us walk through 5 minutes before to get to our seats.

I am not sure what happened, heard rumors of fights etc. But they need to be quicker about clearing things up when you have over 1,000 people trying to move along and just walked to their seats. For the second game in a row, because of bus screwups or gate mismanagement I missed Enter Sandman. This time I at least got the kickoff.

My wife and I were in our seats between sections 14 and 16 fifty minutes before kickoff. I don't know what was going on under the stands or on the concourse but people were coming up the portals of section 20, 18, & 16 and crawling over bleachers, chair backs, and people (including us) to get to their seats in sections 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. It was ridiculous.

I seldom speak to loluva grads, but when I do, I tell them I want large fries.

Lol, you must be either above or below me. My seats are in both 14 and 16 as well. I have the three seats in the exact middle of the row covering both sections.

Yeah - something strange happened between section 16 and 18. We were trying to get in through gate 4 and were stuck between the gate and concourse for 30 minutes. I heard something about a cable falling, but never saw anything. Definitely not a safe situation with everyone trying to get in for enter sandman. Eventually had to leave the stadium and enter through another gate.

I think we need to change the student ticket experience. The way we have them up the side and around the top of the east stands is weird.

I would split the lower portion of that to the four corners (east and west stands). That way they have compete against each other for quadraphonic sound to annoy the other teams. Students love that crap. Make up names for each group, etc.

We put the K in Kwality

Thanks for posting.

I think this merits discussion, attention.
I haven't been to a game since pre-Covid, and was considering to take some fam, but I'm hesitant based on reports like this. Why pay for this experience?

We DID take an RV to Bristol for the VT/tenn game. Vol fan behavior was HORRIBLE (glass shards from thrown moonshine jars, watching a tenn fan PISS on the feet of a VT fan!!!, etc.)

Unfortunately, some of this is cultural, but that doesn't mean its excusable.

The team performance is beyond our control, but fan behavior and game experience should be fair game for the athletic department to aggressively fix.

I'd suggest sending feedback to Whit's office with specifics-they need to know and I think they are invested in improving game day experience.

I don't think it's all that bad. Especially based on individual accounts. I went to a game last year, sat high in the student side, nothing of note, kids being kids. Sure we have our share of idiots; I don't think it's indicative of some broad "kids are more of a danger than ever" panic.

I went to VT in the early 90s before we made it to the Independence bowl. Honestly, behavior could be pretty bad even then - throwing cups, pizza boxes and airplane bottles. But, I still think it needs to be improved today. General rowdiness is fine. Shoving people, cursing and spitting at people, general harassment (directed at individuals) of opposing fans - those are not ok.

Didn't we make it to the Independence Bowl in the 80's?

I think he means the start of the bowl streak in '93.

That was back before going 6-6 guaranteed a bowl game.

Like the 1983 Hokies who finished 9-2 and were left sitting at home for bowl season (and yes we made the Independence Bowl the next year in Bruce Smith's senior season in 1984).

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

This experience was why the Greenberg NCAA snubs seemed familiar.

...with spirits true and faithful...

I graduated in 2013 and I saw other students file out of the stadium by halftime in all my years... I honestly don't get it, especially on a Thursday night vs. Saturday night where the kids want to get to parties.

One of the main reasons why I wanted to go to tech was for the excitement of football games in the fall. Now its just they experience Sandman and then leave at halftime.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

We're lucky we have the entrance and football tradition!

The team is in serious rebuild mode. It helps when you have the appearance of a chance to win. Was the result really in doubt at halftime? I'm probably one of the biggest optimists here, and having watched the first half I didn't think it was.

2 different issues here IMO: one is student engagement with sports, the other is behavior. I'm going to avoid discussing the latter because I feel pretty ignorant about it.

As far as engagement goes, I think 18-22 year olds today have come of age of social media, instant gratification, and content overload. I'm not saying that's bad thing, but it's very different from a lot of us. These kids have more options than just going to the game, and those options are constantly presented to them (via text message, social media, etc). This is a problem at every school - attendance is down big time.

I would also add that games are getting longer and longer due to TV breaks. It's fucking obnoxious when you're watching it on TV, but it's also kills the vibe in the stadium.

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It was especially egregious last night in the stadium. The commercial breaks were getting longer and more frequent to fill an ESPN timeslot.

I echo your sentiments. Obnoxious behavior last night. Wife got shoved trying to go to the bathroom. Why is there just a constant massive unorganized blob of people congesting the concourse at all times? It doesn't matter when you go it's like people spend the whole game in the concession or restroom line.

I frankly just don't think there is enough adequate security to man the stadium. Just lack of organization and chaos. First game going back in four years and probably my last for a long time. It's just not what I remember as a student.

I've heard from some teacher friends of mine that since COVID lockdowns ended, it appears that young people are just a bit off socially and behavior issues have escalated and haven't really come back down to former levels. I hate to sound like an old man yelling at clouds (I'm only 33) but young people are a different caliber than they were when I was in school (07-11). Could just be the changing of the times.

That being said, I didn't have any issues in West stands last night. It was a pretty good experience for me other than the game. I'll also add that the concessions seems to have been able to fix the issues causing long lines. I didn't have to wait that long to get hot dogs and I was able to refill my drink 3 times. The bathroom line on the other hand...

I am more convinced now than ever that we probably need to seriously consider enlarging the North End Zone for the sole purpose of containing the entire Student Section to it, and physically remove them from the rest of the fans.

Last year was a problem, this year is apparently worse. Its not getting better, and barring the school ramping up security measures, I think its going to eventually get so ugly that its going to actively keep boosters and the general public away from VT games.

This is my school
This is home

I've been saying this for so long... just section off the students from the non-student fans. Don't let their behavior ruin it for the rest of fans there

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

At least in our immediate vicinity in Section 31 at the upper portal, the fans (from both sides) were engaged and respectful and loud. I did see the police go up to the top of the section twice and escort a drunk fan out of the stands.

Side note- what is the deal with our clock and video board folks this year? Multiple times with incorrect down and distance on the scoreboard; several times when the play clock didn't reset and/or wasn't started in time(and in most of those cases hurting the home team by giving more time for the WVU audience? And is it just me or should someone explain to them that "karaoke" means YOU PUT THE WORDS ON THE SCREEN!! Otherwise it's just a sing along not karaoke. Not sure who to address these concerns to but it's been consistently bad this year.

Side side note-wtf was the tuba section's point in coming up to section 31 only to play a half hearted few bars right before the end of the timeout? Myself and many of the fans around us - Mountaineers and Hokies alike- had the same thought-it looked LAME. It COULD have been cool if done better.

Ok one last rant and I'll stop-why can't they have at least one or two folks doing the tshirt toss come up to the upper levels so those higher up can have at least a CHANCE at getting one? Kinda hard to expect someone throwing from the field to get one thrown 80 rows up(and if they can, maybe they should stop by Pry's office about a job)

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Lmao, I think I may have been nearby and I don't recall the tuba section randomly coming up. I do remember a WVU fan complaining to police that a VT fan had struck her in the head, then no one around being able to corroborate the claim, then the accused's wife getting into it with said WVU fan. Also saw a WVU fan go out on a stretcher with some apparent head injury (thought it was from this punching incident but unrelated).

My summary from being there and reading all of this was this game was an enormous cluster. I will say generally most folks in my vicinity were also loud cheering and engaged in the game.

We were in section 29. Had no issues getting into the stadium or getting to our seats (we were seated 57 minutes before kickoff). I will say the students were frequently crossing all over the sections adjacent to the student section to get to and from, not really sure why and it was really annoying. I saw several things thrown from the upper parts of the student section, biggest thing was them tearing apart those pom-poms. They were very disengaged throughout and (as I said in the Rant thread) leaving in droves at half time. Piss poor.

Was it just me, or were the MVs quieter than usual? I didn't hear them very much at all throughout the game, even later when the crowd was low when we were getting whooped. Also the scoreboard is very poorly run. They put up the "SAFETY" animation after our field goal, down and distance constantly wrong. WHERE DID THE TURKEY GOBBLE ON THIRD DOWN GO????? Last rant about the experience, I have never seen so few people jumping during Sandman in East stands than last night. It was loud but no where near what I expected for a bitter rival, Thursday night sellout.

"GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM LITTLE BROTHER, THE CUP IS COMIN’ ON HOME!”

I have never seen so few people jumping during Sandman in East stands than last night.

I noticed this too... I think the fans/students are so addicted to social media where they have to record everything, and in exchange, don't jump and enjoy the experience. First world problems, I get it, but it is very annoying and always gets a eye roll from me when watching on TV

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

The student sections looked to be rocking pretty hard.

For other parts of the stadium, it looked like they were engaged initially, but not for the whole song.

I'm OK with some folks recording it, but if more than half are recording it, there's nothing to record.

I'm gonna have a "get off my lawn" moment ("I'm a man! I'm 40!")

I think since Covid, and it was already starting to happen before then, people have just forgotten (or never learned) how to not be dicks to other people. I've not been to a game in a few years at Lane, but all my friends that have that I've talked to relate tales just like yours about our fans behavior towards each other.

I would not be surprised in the least that almost every other program has similar stories about that trend in Gameday behavior, and it's not just the students

Pre-Covid, I went to a game at FSU. There were relatively few VT fans there, but their fans were all good-natured and respectful, even after VT won. (Though many filed out at half time and after the third quarter.)

At the time I thought, this is how fans who've won championships behave.

May be different now that they've had years of mediocre football, but I was pretty impressed at the time.

I know it was last weeks game, but had no issues with the gameday experience. I liked a lot of the things that Bailey Angle did that allowed more interaction during tv timeouts and other breaks in the game. What I did have issues with was the student section being gone in the second half. They need to create something that rewards students that stay. Also, I know they made student seating general admission to try and make it look better/fuller, but I enjoyed the assigned seats when I was there 04-10. The new fence they put up around the student section just seems like it was done with little thought and hasn't completely fixed the issues they thought it would fix.

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

As long as we're talking about Lane, can I ask a favor of the maintenance staff. Or grounds crew staff. Hell, I don't know, just whoever is in charge of Lane operations....

Put the damn stripes back on the walls. Yes, the stripes. The maroon and orange stripe that we had ringing the top of the walls going back to at least the 90s, possibly earlier, that was inexplicably removed in 2017. Just something about the stadium nowadays that feels bland and hollow, and putting them back would at least help make it feel like VT football again, and not some bland shell of what it used to be.

vs this crap:

This is my school
This is home

Wow I never noticed that. You are right, the stripes look much better.

I was hoping when they took the stripes off they were going to put Hokie Stone up on the walls, but that didn't materialize. It does look a little bland right now though.

cosigned. Take the stripes off the jerseys and put them back on the stadium where they belong

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Or at least off the helmets. The whole vibe is off.

The good news is the stripes were removed from the helmets this year, at least the Fuente stripes. The maroon lids are plain and the white ones have a stripe reminiscent of the stripe on the white helmets that we wore with throwbacks with Tyrod, just thinner

This is my school
This is home

I've been on the east side 25 yd line (towards the SEZ) for years and never have an issue. The atmosphere yesterday at kickoff was close to as good as it gets near me. I also can bring my 3 year old through to halftime for the last 2 years.

It may really just be a proximity to students thing, but the game experience, to me? Still solid and I found a few secret wifi spots too this year.

I didn't get even a hint of a bar of service..... until the mass exodus of students(and some non-student fans as well) after halftime- then I got up to two bars- just before 10 pm.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

I don't want to pretend to be a social expert or anything, but here's my thinking related to the post...

Our society as a whole is in a moment of vitriol, toxicity and generally lacking in mutual respect for humankind. Our leaders and representatives do not speak about the "others" with any sort of dignity or respect, it's all mostly vitriolic in tone. That filters down to the news media, through our universities and into every nuance of our communities. There are certainly exceptions, but in the end the moment in which we live is not one that can be defined by dignity and respect.

It seems to me that 18-22 year olds, college students in particular, are being swallowed up by the type of mentality where general dignity and respect for other human beings isn't important. Everything in our society is about "me", "my" and "mine" (or those like me).

I'm obviously making a gross generalization, but it is one worth considering since this does seem to be a trend at a broader level. How do we solve it? I'm not sure. Collective effort towards something though.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Can't be mad at the students for leaving early. There wasn't enough alcohol in Lane last night to keep me plugged into the game. I turned it off at home midway through the 3rd. I can handle Tech losing, but I can't handle them looking like idiots when they do so.

Y'all haven't mentioned how fricking cold it was. Students were all dressed like college students wearing what students wear with no jackets. It was cold and that led to the low energy and people leaving at half. We were hatted and jacketed up by half. Wind chill was in the 40's.

True it was cold-guess the education level of our students has dropped from those of us who graduated in the past- even a brief glance at the forecast was sufficient for me to plan ahead to start out with short sleeves for the tailgate(mid 70s temp), add a long sleeve shirt for kickoff(mid 60s temp) and add a sweatshirt at halftime when it dropped to mid 50s and wind really picked up. It was chilly but way better than the UVA game a few years ago(2016 maybe?) where it was 26 at game time and 20 by end of the game and wind chill was at or below zero.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

True, I brought a sweatshirt to don later in the game, but Mom (82) didn't bring enough layers so I put my sweatshirt on her. I was glad for the walk back to the car after the game. I was moving more and walking with the wind.

What are they supposed to stick around for? The team sucks. It just does. 7 points at the half against a terrible WV defense. This generation of college students of seniors has had 4 dog shit years of football. Tots, Sharkeys, and house parties sound a hell of a lot better than watching a flag thrown every other play for the home team. They don't know what the rivalry is or was with WV because we schedule ODU and Liberty now instead of WVU every year.

Another theory to consider, the school size has also grown, thus cramming more and more students in the student sections than years before. While it probably isn't supposed to be that way, the students are going to want to sit with other students and they will get there to sit with their friends in the NEZ. You can thank Sands for growing the university size too large and too fast. Does that mean they get to act like assholes? No, but it doesn't help things with extra students involved, growing the mob mentality of being drunk and bored watching a boring team. Maybe the school and town should allow Center Street parties again so they can get it out of their system before the game.

Kinda /s on the last sentence...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Based on my attendance at the three home games so far this season and the previous 6 years of season tickets (where we've attended almost 100% of the games), some of the issues are not new while some are.

  1. Electronic tickets are great...when they work and there is enough staff. There have been multiple instances this year where either the system has gone down or there isn't enough staff to man the gates. From my vantage point Thursday night, people were trickling in through Gate 3 in the SW corner and it didn't appear like there were a lot of event staff present. There has GOT to be a better way however it seems that no one cares to find it.
  2. Student behavior is atrocious, hands down. From throwing bottles and trash down to lower levels to tearing up the pom poms Thursday night when they got bored, it's embarrassing. I think the folks in charge need to seriously contemplate bringing back 'Hokie Respect' in an effort to curb the problem or at least make students aware that their behavior is a problem and isn't to be tolerated. I don't see an issue with the students leaving at halftime if we're getting trounced by a better school. It is what it is and they're not nearly as vested as those of us with season tickets who have spent thousands of dollars to be there.
  3. The actual experience is SHIT. Whoever comes up with the little "mini-games" is horrible at it. Their timing is atrocious, the actual guy doing the announcing is bad, and the little gimmicks are ATROCIOUS. What the hell is up with the stupid Hokie Grand Prix bullshit? It serves no other purpose than to distract the fans from yet another TV commercial timeout. The whole trivia thing is crap. Are they that afraid that the fans can't occupy themselves that they resort to these gimmicks?
  4. Fix the damned scoreboard. That thing is a mess. Music/video volumes are all over the place, the people running the numbers are god awful (I've started looking at the down marker on the field vs. the board), and in general it's just not good. Oh, and start showing replays on a consistent basis. This is the most surprising one because I don't remember the board being this much of a problem in the past.
  5. Concession lines seem to get worse year after year. Walking through the stadium before and during the game and it seems like lines stretch EVERYWHERE. I feel that the transition to CC vs. cash has made things worse as it takes longer for a CC transaction vs. cash, thereby making the lines worse.
  6. For the love of god, if you're gonna do the 'Let's Go, Hokies' thing at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, get people like Mutts who know what the hell they're doing. Antonio Freeman is just another person in a long line of former players who don't know what the heck they're doing which leads to a disjointed and craptastic response. Move it back to 4th quarter, get the cheerleaders back on the field to assist, and find people who can actually understand how a proper call and response should go.
  7. Last but certainly not least, game length. Holy shit are the lengths of these games getting to be insane. It seemed like there were media timeouts after media timeouts Thursday night and it wasn't much different for Wofford and BC. The games just seem to drag on now because every injured player or review turns into a 3-4min media timeout where everyone just mills around. It sucks the energy out of the game and stadium as everyone collectively waits for the red-shirted devil to get off the field.

I'm sure that things seem worse because of the last several years of bad teams playing bad football, but the Athletic Department needs to own that the actual game experience is not good and they need to bring in an outside consultant to fix things. The people in house just don't know how to do it.

One of the best games I've attended in recent memory was Furman (maybe Rhode Island) last year when the scoreboard broke. No announcers, no stupid gimmicks, no music, just watching football being played. It was awesome.

Great observations.

If you are going to engage the crowd, engage it. If you're not, just let there be silence or some music.

Concession lines seem to get worse year after year. Walking through the stadium before and during the game and it seems like lines stretch EVERYWHERE. I feel that the transition to CC vs. cash has made things worse as it takes longer for a CC transaction vs. cash, thereby making the lines worse.

Normally, I don't do much in the way of concessions, but I had to during the Wofford game. The 11 am kickoff ran the game through all acceptable lunch times, and I had a 9 year old with me. I just wanted to get a couple of hot dogs and drinks, so I was looking for the generic concession stands. I found one somewhere in the middle of the West stands, but the line stretched so far back, I don't know if there was an end. I gave up when it reached the end zone area.

So we turned around and were going to shift gears and get pizza, but then I noticed as I got in the extremely short line at the pizza place that they sold hot dogs too.

Maybe the bigger issue is having the specialized concession stands. Just keep a basic consistent menu at all of them.

Last but certainly not least, game length. Holy shit are the lengths of these games getting to be insane. It seemed like there were media timeouts after media timeouts Thursday night and it wasn't much different for Wofford and BC. The games just seem to drag on now because every injured player or review turns into a 3-4min media timeout where everyone just mills around. It sucks the energy out of the game and stadium as everyone collectively waits for the red-shirted devil to get off the field.

That's TV for us, and not much can be done with that. At least now the red shirt guy holds a board with a countdown on it, so you know how long the break is. But there was definitely one point last week where we had a TV timeout, punt, and another TV timeout.

That being said, the length of the games actually isn't that bad this year. BC was 3:06, and Wofford finished in under 3 hours. WVU went a little over 3:20. Well, the ODU game ran over 4 hours, but that's because of shitty elevators.

One of the best games I've attended in recent memory was Furman (maybe Rhode Island) last year when the scoreboard broke.

It was Richmond.

Yea, I'm sure there's nothing that VT can do about it because of the media deal, but it just FEELS like they're getting longer because of ridiculous things like what you pointed you.

Richmond...whoops. It was glorious.

One thing I was reminded of watching Florida/Tennessee yesterday -- while ESPN can be bad about stretching out games (especially primetime), I don't know if anyone can top CBS's SEC game of the week. How did they manage to stretch that game to a full 4 hours?

Tons of flags late in that game. I think there were 3 false starts / offsides in a row in the 4th quarter and even the announcers were saying it was ridiculous

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

3. I pretty sure the announcing guy is bailey Angle. My brother doesn't like him too and during the Pittsburgh game last year he came on the big screen when tech was getting whooped and my brother goes SHUT UP BAILEYπŸ˜‚ but he's a trooper about it. I told him that and he laugh his ass off and said yeah alot people get tired of it when tech is getting killedπŸ˜‚

Here they come
Here comes the bastards
I heard it from a confidant
Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

I know he's got the short end of the stick and is just doing what he's told, but man, has it been frustrating to be sitting in the stands while the team is playing like crap and his face pops up on the jumbotron to do another stupid gimmick.

Right on with cut all the in game music/games/video BS. I used to enjoy the sound of the game as played, pads popping et al. But that was many decades ago. Close the concessions. Bring back the coke, popcorn and hotdog vendors climbing the stands for cash. "Coke heeere!!! The universal mixer!!!"

...with spirits true and faithful...

Not necessarily close ALL the concessions but yes bring back vendors in the stands as an addition. It might shorten the lines at the concession stands too. I have never bought things from the concession stands other than prior to kickoff because I'm not gonna miss that much time watching the action on the field .... which is after all the REASON for the game.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

5. Concession lines - This was my first game since before COVID. So, I don't know how it has been. But I noticed that instead of making multiple lines in front of each respective register people were making one stupid long line and then splitting to registers when they were next in line. It got a little better later in the game, but it's like we forgot how to do simple shit like queuing for concessions.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Students haven't been as much of a problem for us as some of the Hokies adult "fans." The beer sales in Lane help fuel some of this. Too many spills and bottles all around aside from the behaviors.

We have been to the BC and WVU games this season. Not very family friendly. From here on out, I will be very selective on what sections we sit in.

Here's what I want:
Blanket high res camera coverage of problem sections.
Review footage after every game for conduct violations
Cancel tickets for any offenders
Other punishments as necessary

It's unreasonable to expect security to control 67,000 fans. It's not unreasonable to call up assholes after the fact and let them know their tickets are being given away because they violated conduct policy

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We were sitting in section 5 about 10 rows below the student section and next to the overflow students. I brought my 11 year-old son and he said afterwards that he heard more F-words during that game than he has heard the rest of his life. He had beer spilled on him by drunk fans. There was a VT fan in front of us grinding on his WV girlfriend. Bottles and cans were thrown over our head multiple times and a guy two rows up was hit. I will definitely not be sitting anywhere near the student section ever again. Last year versus UNC was much better but we sat on the West stands away from students.

Hokie living in Hooville

None of this sounds like anything I want to be a part of, let alone driving 5 hours and spending 1.5 to 2K for that weekend.

Which is unfortunate. Our season tickets are in Section 9 and we had numerous WVU fans around us and everyone was great to deal with. We traded barbs back and forth but it was in good fun.

This is all part of the society that we live in now.

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

We need to insist on better.

And on changing the decisions that are pushing us in this direction.

That said, in spite of all the nonsense, there has never been a better/safer/more comfortable time (in general) to be alive.

We hit the right window, because it's probably all downhill from here.

I really hope someone up top sees this thread somehow. All of these ideas are gold.

Touchdown Tech!!!

We witnessed a wasted college aged kid get into a fight with his mom on the way out of the stadium. Looked like he was getting heckled by WVU fans and was trying to act tough while is mom was trying to get him out of the stands. He shoved her into the railing by the portals and then punched the cement wall going down the ramp. Never seen anything like at a game before.

Wow...just wow. I will say I think the general intoxication level seemed off the charts higher than I remember back in the day. I'm starting to wonder if the team struggling for so long plus alcohol sales in the stadium are a great combination.

There should be a limit to how much alcohol you can purchase in the stadium. Make it reasonable for those that choose not to tailgate for 10 hours before a game, 2-3 drinks maybe? I don't know how they could track that, but at concerts and stuff, if you're trying to buy alcohol, you get a wristband as you enter the venue. I don't know how you scale that up to assist 60k+ fans when they are already struggling to get mobile tickets scanned, but I'm sure they could, and it would save time at the concessioner's not needing to ID people.

I think there's a sense in which the Lane experience, and fanbase in general are just kind of running on fumes. It's like a bounced check that the bank hasn't flagged yet. As others have pointed out, the student section looks bored on tv, people are leaving at halftime when it was a close game against a rival, etc. I think this is all to be expected, and is a reflection of where our program is, to be frank.

A lot of these kids have barely been alive, let alone old enough to know Tech as a dominant force in college football. Their excitement, and the fanbase's excitement on whole, is mostly manufactured and handed down from another time. There is a LOT of memory of the old days still in our fanbase from those of us that have been around longer, and that passion is enough to carry us a lot of times and (for example) get butts in the seats at 11am for Wofford. Everyone knows about and loves Enter Sandman. The students want to be there for that, and jump, and be excited. It's just that, there's not much money in the bank account right now to back that check up. Our reputation from bygone days is carrying us.

Fan excitement right now is wide, but shallow. If Pry can turn things around, in a few years when we are a good football team, contending in games that mean something, I think the fanbase and game atmosphere will once again reflect that, and the reality of Tech football will catch back up with its reputation. Enter Sandman is great, but I can't wait for it to no longer be the best part of gameday.

We witnessed some obnoxious student behavior, but it was a group of 20-somethings in the upper part of section 31 who made it the worst game experience of my life. A group of WVU and VT "fans" who knew each other drove everyone else out of our area. None of them seemed to be particularly interested in the game. All were extraordinarily immature and rude. Why do they come to the game, and why do they insist on ruining it for everyone else? There was absolutely no game atmosphere up there.

Tommy Vercetti is an innocent man.

Our seats are on south side of 31 right at the railing on the portal. Did see cops go up above twice to escort someone out. Fortunately, the area around us was fine even with WVU fans mixed in. Good natured ribbing but very little profanity and no fights. Even acknowledgements from both sides when the other teams made a good play.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

What is worse is that half the police there are present for the paycheck alone. I have heard tales of a couple people that get punched without cause in front of the police. They turned to police and asked if they were going to do anything only to be told, not my problem not my jurisdiction. What is the point of their presence if they aren't willing to do anything.

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I mentioned this after the BC game. Student behavior is unacceptable. We shouldn't throw beer bottles at all, much less at our own fans. At WVU, we sat closer to the WVU section, surrounded by a lot of their fans. It was a better experience. Their fans had more respect. Eventually a Tech student came over to be with his mom in front of us. Threw something almost immediately. Then, after the pick six, threw a bottle again. My brother grabbed him by the shoulder and told him that we don't do that crap here. He immediately left, looking as if he was about to piss his pants, with Tech alumni cheering his departure.

The security needs to get a handle on this. It's out of hand. I won't bring my kids to East stands and I shouldn't feel better about sitting near WVU fans.

Pretty sad when the visiting fans are better behaved than the home fans.

Particularly since we are talking about WVU. I really hope we don't get a bad rep for things like this, hoping they can do something about it. I don't want to be known as a place where visiting fans are unwelcome.

We're down in section 1 with the student section behind us. We love it and that's why we get the seats that we do, but sometimes they can be a bit much. Someone above us through a full bottle of an unknown substance that hit me in the arm and I still have a bruise decent sized bruise from it. Was that really necessary?

Hearing all these things about thrown items makes me glad that I am on the west side where I just have to worry about drunk alumni and fans swearing 90% of the time.

or people telling you to sit down/never stand up all the time... those fans are the WORST.

I am not advocating fans to stand up all the time, especailly if you're on the west side where most older/donor/alumni fans are, but the expectation I can't stand up and yell on 3rd down? fuck that... stay at home and watch the game there if you want to sit down the whole game.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

This is why we picked the seats that we did. We have the wall and a walkway behind us, so there is no one to be upset if we're standing the entire game. We also seem to be surrounded by others that are more recent grads (think the last 10-15 years or so) than you'll find on the west side and haven't forgotten the early 2000's in Lane and how to make noise without bothering your neighbor. So it's not all bad, I would just prefer to leave the battery-with-a-full-bottle part out of the experience all together.

Us too. Our seats are lower to middle section 31- most of us in the area we're in stand for a lot of the game and no yells for us to sit down.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

Mom is 82 and still wants to come to the games and cheer the team. She can't stand the whole game anymore and does need to sit. She bounces for enter sandman and then sits down. Pops up for the big plays when she can. West side is definitely the better side for her.

But she never complains if the people in front of her are standing, just shifts her head so she can see the big screen.

yea that's totally fair to ask someone to sit down occasionally so they can see the game, whether they are 82 or younger, or can't stand all the time like your mom... I've had experience on West side where god forbid you stood up a couple times during the game (like 3r/4th down, etc) , I was yelled to sit down... I can't wait until those kinda fans die off/never come to games anymore.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Sounds as though the East stands are shit. I'm to the point that of I spend money to go to a game I'm getting West stand tickets. Never have a problem on the west side.

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Other than the massive fight that apparently broke out under Section 16 that delayed entrance for at least 45 minutes last game. Really hoping that was a one time thing.

Sad to say, we had our worst Lane Stadium experience ever under the West Stands an hour before kickoff.

So many people that no one could move in any direction voluntarily. In the middle of it, concessions workers trying to force warming cabinets through the mob like they were pushing through brush. It was a dangerous situation and took an hour to get out of it. People were having panic attacks, pushing, yelling, my wife was crying and it was complete chaos. Police were there but just watching and did nothing. Finally they stopped letting people in through Gate 4, about 45 minutes too late. We ended up having to exit through Gate 4 to get out of the immovable mob and then reenter through Gate 3. Just made kickoff.

So to review, entered through Gate 6 at 6:30 pm, exited through Gate 4 and reentered through Gate 3 just at the 7:30 pm kickoff. We were still in some shock when we got to our seats and were disinterested in the game after that experience. The only reason we stayed for the game was because others were riding with us that were sitting elsewhere.

I've been coming to Lane for over 30 years. Not my first bad experience but by far the worst. We vowed never to return in the moment and still may never go back. I bleed orange and maroon but we paid money and took off work for that.

In addition to Blacksburg Fire Marshall, does anyone know a great contact to communicate this experience to?

Whit Babcock?

Sent to Whit's public email as well as Blacksburg Fire Marshall. I imagine Whit's HokieAD email gets flooded so not sure who monitors it and how long it takes them to get through the emails if they ever do. If anyone knows a better alternative, let me know.

there was some kind of incident keeping folks from being able to move from that area to their seats on the sound end of the west stands. that's why the crowd piled up. unfortunately there's only been message board posts about it, no official explanation.

Local fire officials have no enforcement ability on state property. Would have to be state fire marshal and they defer to university officials for most things.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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Thank you, relayed to the state fire marshal.