The Lane Stadium Experience in 2022

I was going to put this in the "Vent" thread, but thought it deserved it's own forum topic.

Anyway, I know we're all disappointed with the on-field performance of the team last night, but here's another thing that I was hoping we'd never have to vent about: the Lane Stadium experience.

Don't get me wrong, it's impressive that we can get 60,000+ to show up for a bad team, but boy the stadium experience is just not what it was.

I know it's not everyone, but the students are acting like absolute clowns. Throwing bottles into crowds with families and small children. Pushing and shoving fans around. Elbowing people in the face. Screaming obscenities at fans that are just trying to enjoy the game. Etc. etc. etc. And I'm sure other people on here can vouch for this happening.

It's getting to the point where I would barely feel comfortable taking my wife and small children to the game, which is really, REALLY pathetic.

On top of that, we've got fans (likely students) leaving at halftime of a tight game against a bitter rival?? When did that become a thing??

I don't know exactly how it got to this point, but I'm sure there has got to be a way to turn this around again. I realize I'm not offering much in the way of help/suggestions, but just wanted to vent a little bit and see if y'all had any similar experiences.

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From TV, the students looked straight up bored. My wife (not from a football school) was curious why everyone looked so unengaged (this was the first quarter)

Crowd was juiced at first, then by mid second quarter it just seemed liked people were resigned to us losing even though it was still close. Maybe due to the terrible offensive performance? Very flat atmosphere for a close rivalry game.

Maybe you can call me a Debbie Downer but I felt the game was over when we went for the 4th and 1 and didn't get it. That was the first call of Pry's that I completely disagreed with. We aren't good enough to leave points on the field and it felt like the offense lost a bunch of confidence after that failed conversion.

This is hard to read about every week. Its like COVID flipped a switch on people behaving in public or these kids parents are just assholes. I went to every home game from 2004-2015 and not once did I have an issue with VT students even as a student myself in the middle of NEZ.

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I think our expansion has led to taking many kids of questionable character

Free Hugh

I didn't know character was part of the admissions assessment. What portion of the SAT covers character again?

Would you like Prys with that?

You're making my point for me. SATs aren't even required by VT anymore

Free Hugh

Because the SAT is predictive of nothing aside from the ability of a student (or their family) to afford test prep. Most universities are dropping the requirement and VT is studying this policy over a period of years to assess whether dropping the SAT requirement leads to any change in retention or graduation rates. Thus far, there is only positive evidence and I would doubt an SAT requirement would be reinstated.

To the point at hand, VT has a holistic assessment process that evaluates the academic rigor of a student's high school education including the qualifications of the school and their grading policies (and any known grade inflation) as well as a non-cognitive assessment. This is done through a series of essays that are evaluated for an applicant's character traits, leadership skills, etc. The current process has led to an increasingly diverse student body with a range of talents. Behavioral issues are happening country-wide and are nothing to do with how VT admits students.

Because the SAT is predictive of nothing aside from the ability of a student (or their family) to afford test prep.
This is outright false.

The second paragraph is a dressed up way of saying VT is materially increasing enrollment and instead of admitting that the only way to do that is to lower standards, they just changed the standards. When VT adds 5000 students, they don't get students that would be attending NCST, GT, UVA, W&M. They get students who would have gone to Radford, VCU, ODU. This is represented by the drop in enrollment over the last few years at RU.

The worst part of this gaslighting is the soft notion that because this new process has led to a more diverse student body, criticism of it is a front for underlying bigotry.

Most universities are dropping the requirement and VT is studying this policy over a period of years to assess whether dropping the SAT requirement leads to any change in retention or graduation rates.
Behavioral issues are happening country-wide and are nothing to do with how VT admits students.

Perhaps these too are related and the muddling of real rigorous standards has led to a drop in the quality of students nationwide.

Please provide a source for your first assertion. Standardized tests are more strongly correlated with socioeconomic status than outcomes at universities. GRE scores are almost meaningless, too. Hence the rash of universities dropping them. We had plenty of students in our program with great standardized test scores who flamed out because they couldn't succeed in a graduate research environment. The test provided no value so we dropped it and have been doing great. SAT is similar. It has limited or no predictive value in a student succeeding at a university, be it through GPA, first year retention rates, or graduation. It's a weak predictor at best.

The second paragraph is a dressed up way of saying VT is materially increasing enrollment and instead of admitting that the only way to do that is to lower standards, they just changed the standards.

Except statistics say that's not true. It's harder than ever to get into VT if you look solely at academic credentials. I'm sorry that I can't fully summarize the hourlong presentation I got from the director of admissions (and the full questioning by faculty afterwards) but while VT is looking at different criteria than in the past, it's simply not true that standards are lower. And students are going on to increasingly strong careers and winning more awards/external scholarships.

Perhaps these too are related and the muddling of real rigorous standards has led to a drop in the quality of students nationwide.

Or there is a generational change in people's behavior, influence of social media, politics, etc. but I'm not going to get into that here as we will quickly be down a rabbit hole of discussion that isn't appropriate here.

I think hand in hand with these is people having access to information more widely and quicker. Perception versus reality in a lot of cases is just because people are only now area of things that have gone on for a long time. It's a big part of my grad classes when we talk about perception of risk to certain hazards and disasters when in reality the risk to many is low and the ones they don't perceive as a risk really are.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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You haven't made a point. Aside from just shear numbers (x% of people are of questionable character), how has expansion impacted the character of the student body?

How so? By what measure were we assessing character that we've loosened up? By the admissions metrics, VT is more selective than ever.

Because the metrics have inflated while we've actually gotten worse at skills like math.

https://www.k12dive.com/news/act-study-finds-grade-inflation-in-high-sch...

My sister is 10 years younger than me and watching her go through school was crazy. She was basically allowed to retake any test an unlimited amount of times for full replacement. The high schools and individual teachers are incentivized to pass their students and give them good grades.

Free Hugh

I have four kids that I know of. They range from 16 to 23. I can attest to this 100% and we live in Loudoun County, which for a long time had an excellent education based reputation. What I believe tjb is referencing is not the actual "bullet pointed" items that make up the assessment but rather the fact that the school has increased its enrollment significantly over the years and therefore the "guard rails" have widened, thus the "characters" aspects in general may have a lower bar if you will. It is surely an intangible, so it is more thought basis. My wife and I were talking about this theorized topic the other day.

Also, yes, I do think my generation of parents, in general, are assholes. The socio-cultural pressure of keeping up with the Jones', giving their kids everything, not requiring them to work, having to show everyone how awesome they are on social media, the "my kid is an angel" and does nothing wrong....I can go on and on, has led to a very non-aware, narcissistic attitude/outlook. The lack of "old school" parenting my generation received is sorely a miss in my assessment.

I don't disagree that there is grade inflation. But, I disagree that if VT admitted 30% less students that the 70% percent remaining would be of "higher character." What evidence do you have to support the "extra 30%" are the ones with more "questionable character"?

Bro do want me to scientifically define character? This entire thread is based on the premise of students are shittier in recent years and my proposal is expansion is a major cause. To me, kids that are worried about keeping a 4.0 in their stem classes seem less likely to be the kids chucking empty glass airplane bottles at the football game. It's all conjecture. Do you have a better proposal?

Free Hugh

One of the reasons I got out of academia - the level of basic competence in things like grammar dropped quite a bit from my first year teaching in 1998 until 2010. I had seniors that were Dean's List that consistently couldn't use your/you're/you are correctly.
And it isn't just VT - I have a stepdaughter that got an English degree elsewhere in 2019. She sent her Dad her senior thesis to copy edit. The amount of red on that paper was shocking when he finished.
She got a high A on the final product that he decided to mark up again - countless errors that would have made her paper a C in my era or her father's. Don't get me started that it made heavy use of Harry Potter themes.
I thought the 25k cap was a very good one for our campus in a state crammed full of choices for higher ed. The pool of quality students isn't unlimited as much as we push higher ed as essential in our culture.

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

Wow a primary source. Thanks for sharing.

Free Hugh

I was a weirdo for wanting to a focus on undergraduate education. The press was hard on research, new grad programs. I'm on boards for grad program development and saying things like, "but these kids can't SPELL." The cognitive dissonance was just too much.
Not the student's fault though - they weren't arriving to campus prepared, somthing hard to convice senior faculty that were only teaching 4k and 5k level courses. There's a reason there is such a good homeschool network in my area - and they were often my best students at the private college where I was teaching after leaving VT.

'89 Hokie alum, former staff, former faculty. Living in Jawja - a rescue Dawg married to a Fauxkie. Navigating the curious spaces between the ACC and the SEC since 2009.

This isn't just a VT-issue. I've read about so many schools having these issues. Don't really know how to solve it to be honest.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

My Rant on the Experience?

The changed the shuttle buses this year and they aren't as frequent and drop off in different places. The CRC shuttle bus now drops and picks up by Cassel instead of the South End Zone? That means you have to walk away from your cars to try and catch a bus that might run once per hour. We were 3/4 of the way back the 1.25 mile walk to the car when the shuttle bus passed us.

I am not sure what happened last night, but we got to gate 3 last night at 6:35. It took the normal 15 minutes to get to the scanner. At which point all motion stopped. It was packed to the gills under the stands with nobody apparently going to their seats. The police and event staff held us place in the hall between the scanners and the concourse for over 30 minutes. Eventually, after the cannon went off we were informed by police that we had to leave and go around to a different gate!!!

We had to go to gate 4, argue that we had already had our tickets scanned and that is why they weren't working. Then go back through the area they wouldn't let us walk through 5 minutes before to get to our seats.

I am not sure what happened, heard rumors of fights etc. But they need to be quicker about clearing things up when you have over 1,000 people trying to move along and just walked to their seats. For the second game in a row, because of bus screwups or gate mismanagement I missed Enter Sandman. This time I at least got the kickoff.

My wife and I were in our seats between sections 14 and 16 fifty minutes before kickoff. I don't know what was going on under the stands or on the concourse but people were coming up the portals of section 20, 18, & 16 and crawling over bleachers, chair backs, and people (including us) to get to their seats in sections 2, 4, 6, 8, 10. It was ridiculous.

I seldom speak to loluva grads, but when I do, I tell them I want large fries.

Lol, you must be either above or below me. My seats are in both 14 and 16 as well. I have the three seats in the exact middle of the row covering both sections.

Yeah - something strange happened between section 16 and 18. We were trying to get in through gate 4 and were stuck between the gate and concourse for 30 minutes. I heard something about a cable falling, but never saw anything. Definitely not a safe situation with everyone trying to get in for enter sandman. Eventually had to leave the stadium and enter through another gate.

I think we need to change the student ticket experience. The way we have them up the side and around the top of the east stands is weird.

I would split the lower portion of that to the four corners (east and west stands). That way they have compete against each other for quadraphonic sound to annoy the other teams. Students love that crap. Make up names for each group, etc.

We put the K in Kwality

Thanks for posting.

I think this merits discussion, attention.
I haven't been to a game since pre-Covid, and was considering to take some fam, but I'm hesitant based on reports like this. Why pay for this experience?

We DID take an RV to Bristol for the VT/tenn game. Vol fan behavior was HORRIBLE (glass shards from thrown moonshine jars, watching a tenn fan PISS on the feet of a VT fan!!!, etc.)

Unfortunately, some of this is cultural, but that doesn't mean its excusable.

The team performance is beyond our control, but fan behavior and game experience should be fair game for the athletic department to aggressively fix.

I'd suggest sending feedback to Whit's office with specifics-they need to know and I think they are invested in improving game day experience.

I don't think it's all that bad. Especially based on individual accounts. I went to a game last year, sat high in the student side, nothing of note, kids being kids. Sure we have our share of idiots; I don't think it's indicative of some broad "kids are more of a danger than ever" panic.

I went to VT in the early 90s before we made it to the Independence bowl. Honestly, behavior could be pretty bad even then - throwing cups, pizza boxes and airplane bottles. But, I still think it needs to be improved today. General rowdiness is fine. Shoving people, cursing and spitting at people, general harassment (directed at individuals) of opposing fans - those are not ok.

Didn't we make it to the Independence Bowl in the 80's?

I think he means the start of the bowl streak in '93.

I graduated in 2013 and I saw other students file out of the stadium by halftime in all my years... I honestly don't get it, especially on a Thursday night vs. Saturday night where the kids want to get to parties.

One of the main reasons why I wanted to go to tech was for the excitement of football games in the fall. Now its just they experience Sandman and then leave at halftime.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

We're lucky we have the entrance and football tradition!

The team is in serious rebuild mode. It helps when you have the appearance of a chance to win. Was the result really in doubt at halftime? I'm probably one of the biggest optimists here, and having watched the first half I didn't think it was.

2 different issues here IMO: one is student engagement with sports, the other is behavior. I'm going to avoid discussing the latter because I feel pretty ignorant about it.

As far as engagement goes, I think 18-22 year olds today have come of age of social media, instant gratification, and content overload. I'm not saying that's bad thing, but it's very different from a lot of us. These kids have more options than just going to the game, and those options are constantly presented to them (via text message, social media, etc). This is a problem at every school - attendance is down big time.

I would also add that games are getting longer and longer due to TV breaks. It's fucking obnoxious when you're watching it on TV, but it's also kills the vibe in the stadium.

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It was especially egregious last night in the stadium. The commercial breaks were getting longer and more frequent to fill an ESPN timeslot.

I echo your sentiments. Obnoxious behavior last night. Wife got shoved trying to go to the bathroom. Why is there just a constant massive unorganized blob of people congesting the concourse at all times? It doesn't matter when you go it's like people spend the whole game in the concession or restroom line.

I frankly just don't think there is enough adequate security to man the stadium. Just lack of organization and chaos. First game going back in four years and probably my last for a long time. It's just not what I remember as a student.

I've heard from some teacher friends of mine that since COVID lockdowns ended, it appears that young people are just a bit off socially and behavior issues have escalated and haven't really come back down to former levels. I hate to sound like an old man yelling at clouds (I'm only 33) but young people are a different caliber than they were when I was in school (07-11). Could just be the changing of the times.

That being said, I didn't have any issues in West stands last night. It was a pretty good experience for me other than the game. I'll also add that the concessions seems to have been able to fix the issues causing long lines. I didn't have to wait that long to get hot dogs and I was able to refill my drink 3 times. The bathroom line on the other hand...

I am more convinced now than ever that we probably need to seriously consider enlarging the North End Zone for the sole purpose of containing the entire Student Section to it, and physically remove them from the rest of the fans.

Last year was a problem, this year is apparently worse. Its not getting better, and barring the school ramping up security measures, I think its going to eventually get so ugly that its going to actively keep boosters and the general public away from VT games.

This is my school
This is home

I've been saying this for so long... just section off the students from the non-student fans. Don't let their behavior ruin it for the rest of fans there

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

At least in our immediate vicinity in Section 31 at the upper portal, the fans (from both sides) were engaged and respectful and loud. I did see the police go up to the top of the section twice and escort a drunk fan out of the stands.

Side note- what is the deal with our clock and video board folks this year? Multiple times with incorrect down and distance on the scoreboard; several times when the play clock didn't reset and/or wasn't started in time(and in most of those cases hurting the home team by giving more time for the WVU audience? And is it just me or should someone explain to them that "karaoke" means YOU PUT THE WORDS ON THE SCREEN!! Otherwise it's just a sing along not karaoke. Not sure who to address these concerns to but it's been consistently bad this year.

Side side note-wtf was the tuba section's point in coming up to section 31 only to play a half hearted few bars right before the end of the timeout? Myself and many of the fans around us - Mountaineers and Hokies alike- had the same thought-it looked LAME. It COULD have been cool if done better.

Ok one last rant and I'll stop-why can't they have at least one or two folks doing the tshirt toss come up to the upper levels so those higher up can have at least a CHANCE at getting one? Kinda hard to expect someone throwing from the field to get one thrown 80 rows up(and if they can, maybe they should stop by Pry's office about a job)

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

We were in section 29. Had no issues getting into the stadium or getting to our seats (we were seated 57 minutes before kickoff). I will say the students were frequently crossing all over the sections adjacent to the student section to get to and from, not really sure why and it was really annoying. I saw several things thrown from the upper parts of the student section, biggest thing was them tearing apart those pom-poms. They were very disengaged throughout and (as I said in the Rant thread) leaving in droves at half time. Piss poor.

Was it just me, or were the MVs quieter than usual? I didn't hear them very much at all throughout the game, even later when the crowd was low when we were getting whooped. Also the scoreboard is very poorly run. They put up the "SAFETY" animation after our field goal, down and distance constantly wrong. WHERE DID THE TURKEY GOBBLE ON THIRD DOWN GO????? Last rant about the experience, I have never seen so few people jumping during Sandman in East stands than last night. It was loud but no where near what I expected for a bitter rival, Thursday night sellout.

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I have never seen so few people jumping during Sandman in East stands than last night.

I noticed this too... I think the fans/students are so addicted to social media where they have to record everything, and in exchange, don't jump and enjoy the experience. First world problems, I get it, but it is very annoying and always gets a eye roll from me when watching on TV

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

The student sections looked to be rocking pretty hard.

For other parts of the stadium, it looked like they were engaged initially, but not for the whole song.

I'm OK with some folks recording it, but if more than half are recording it, there's nothing to record.

I'm gonna have a "get off my lawn" moment ("I'm a man! I'm 40!")

I think since Covid, and it was already starting to happen before then, people have just forgotten (or never learned) how to not be dicks to other people. I've not been to a game in a few years at Lane, but all my friends that have that I've talked to relate tales just like yours about our fans behavior towards each other.

I would not be surprised in the least that almost every other program has similar stories about that trend in Gameday behavior, and it's not just the students

Pre-Covid, I went to a game at FSU. There were relatively few VT fans there, but their fans were all good-natured and respectful, even after VT won. (Though many filed out at half time and after the third quarter.)

At the time I thought, this is how fans who've won championships behave.

May be different now that they've had years of mediocre football, but I was pretty impressed at the time.

I know it was last weeks game, but had no issues with the gameday experience. I liked a lot of the things that Bailey Angle did that allowed more interaction during tv timeouts and other breaks in the game. What I did have issues with was the student section being gone in the second half. They need to create something that rewards students that stay. Also, I know they made student seating general admission to try and make it look better/fuller, but I enjoyed the assigned seats when I was there 04-10. The new fence they put up around the student section just seems like it was done with little thought and hasn't completely fixed the issues they thought it would fix.

Stick it in...Stick it in...Stick it in

As long as we're talking about Lane, can I ask a favor of the maintenance staff. Or grounds crew staff. Hell, I don't know, just whoever is in charge of Lane operations....

Put the damn stripes back on the walls. Yes, the stripes. The maroon and orange stripe that we had ringing the top of the walls going back to at least the 90s, possibly earlier, that was inexplicably removed in 2017. Just something about the stadium nowadays that feels bland and hollow, and putting them back would at least help make it feel like VT football again, and not some bland shell of what it used to be.

vs this crap:

This is my school
This is home

Wow I never noticed that. You are right, the stripes look much better.

I was hoping when they took the stripes off they were going to put Hokie Stone up on the walls, but that didn't materialize. It does look a little bland right now though.

cosigned. Take the stripes off the jerseys and put them back on the stadium where they belong

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Or at least off the helmets. The whole vibe is off.

I've been on the east side 25 yd line (towards the SEZ) for years and never have an issue. The atmosphere yesterday at kickoff was close to as good as it gets near me. I also can bring my 3 year old through to halftime for the last 2 years.

It may really just be a proximity to students thing, but the game experience, to me? Still solid and I found a few secret wifi spots too this year.

I didn't get even a hint of a bar of service..... until the mass exodus of students(and some non-student fans as well) after halftime- then I got up to two bars- just before 10 pm.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

I don't want to pretend to be a social expert or anything, but here's my thinking related to the post...

Our society as a whole is in a moment of vitriol, toxicity and generally lacking in mutual respect for humankind. Our leaders and representatives do not speak about the "others" with any sort of dignity or respect, it's all mostly vitriolic in tone. That filters down to the news media, through our universities and into every nuance of our communities. There are certainly exceptions, but in the end the moment in which we live is not one that can be defined by dignity and respect.

It seems to me that 18-22 year olds, college students in particular, are being swallowed up by the type of mentality where general dignity and respect for other human beings isn't important. Everything in our society is about "me", "my" and "mine" (or those like me).

I'm obviously making a gross generalization, but it is one worth considering since this does seem to be a trend at a broader level. How do we solve it? I'm not sure. Collective effort towards something though.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Can't be mad at the students for leaving early. There wasn't enough alcohol in Lane last night to keep me plugged into the game. I turned it off at home midway through the 3rd. I can handle Tech losing, but I can't handle them looking like idiots when they do so.

Y'all haven't mentioned how fricking cold it was. Students were all dressed like college students wearing what students wear with no jackets. It was cold and that led to the low energy and people leaving at half. We were hatted and jacketed up by half. Wind chill was in the 40's.

True it was cold-guess the education level of our students has dropped from those of us who graduated in the past- even a brief glance at the forecast was sufficient for me to plan ahead to start out with short sleeves for the tailgate(mid 70s temp), add a long sleeve shirt for kickoff(mid 60s temp) and add a sweatshirt at halftime when it dropped to mid 50s and wind really picked up. It was chilly but way better than the UVA game a few years ago(2016 maybe?) where it was 26 at game time and 20 by end of the game and wind chill was at or below zero.

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

What are they supposed to stick around for? The team sucks. It just does. 7 points at the half against a terrible WV defense. This generation of college students of seniors has had 4 dog shit years of football. Tots, Sharkeys, and house parties sound a hell of a lot better than watching a flag thrown every other play for the home team. They don't know what the rivalry is or was with WV because we schedule ODU and Liberty now instead of WVU every year.

Another theory to consider, the school size has also grown, thus cramming more and more students in the student sections than years before. While it probably isn't supposed to be that way, the students are going to want to sit with other students and they will get there to sit with their friends in the NEZ. You can thank Sands for growing the university size too large and too fast. Does that mean they get to act like assholes? No, but it doesn't help things with extra students involved, growing the mob mentality of being drunk and bored watching a boring team. Maybe the school and town should allow Center Street parties again so they can get it out of their system before the game.

Kinda /s on the last sentence...

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

His decision was made after a phone call with longtime Virginia Tech assistant coach Bud Foster. All Foster told him was, "We win. They don't."

Based on my attendance at the three home games so far this season and the previous 6 years of season tickets (where we've attended almost 100% of the games), some of the issues are not new while some are.

  1. Electronic tickets are great...when they work and there is enough staff. There have been multiple instances this year where either the system has gone down or there isn't enough staff to man the gates. From my vantage point Thursday night, people were trickling in through Gate 3 in the SW corner and it didn't appear like there were a lot of event staff present. There has GOT to be a better way however it seems that no one cares to find it.
  2. Student behavior is atrocious, hands down. From throwing bottles and trash down to lower levels to tearing up the pom poms Thursday night when they got bored, it's embarrassing. I think the folks in charge need to seriously contemplate bringing back 'Hokie Respect' in an effort to curb the problem or at least make students aware that their behavior is a problem and isn't to be tolerated. I don't see an issue with the students leaving at halftime if we're getting trounced by a better school. It is what it is and they're not nearly as vested as those of us with season tickets who have spent thousands of dollars to be there.
  3. The actual experience is SHIT. Whoever comes up with the little "mini-games" is horrible at it. Their timing is atrocious, the actual guy doing the announcing is bad, and the little gimmicks are ATROCIOUS. What the hell is up with the stupid Hokie Grand Prix bullshit? It serves no other purpose than to distract the fans from yet another TV commercial timeout. The whole trivia thing is crap. Are they that afraid that the fans can't occupy themselves that they resort to these gimmicks?
  4. Fix the damned scoreboard. That thing is a mess. Music/video volumes are all over the place, the people running the numbers are god awful (I've started looking at the down marker on the field vs. the board), and in general it's just not good. Oh, and start showing replays on a consistent basis. This is the most surprising one because I don't remember the board being this much of a problem in the past.
  5. Concession lines seem to get worse year after year. Walking through the stadium before and during the game and it seems like lines stretch EVERYWHERE. I feel that the transition to CC vs. cash has made things worse as it takes longer for a CC transaction vs. cash, thereby making the lines worse.
  6. For the love of god, if you're gonna do the 'Let's Go, Hokies' thing at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, get people like Mutts who know what the hell they're doing. Antonio Freeman is just another person in a long line of former players who don't know what the heck they're doing which leads to a disjointed and craptastic response. Move it back to 4th quarter, get the cheerleaders back on the field to assist, and find people who can actually understand how a proper call and response should go.
  7. Last but certainly not least, game length. Holy shit are the lengths of these games getting to be insane. It seemed like there were media timeouts after media timeouts Thursday night and it wasn't much different for Wofford and BC. The games just seem to drag on now because every injured player or review turns into a 3-4min media timeout where everyone just mills around. It sucks the energy out of the game and stadium as everyone collectively waits for the red-shirted devil to get off the field.

I'm sure that things seem worse because of the last several years of bad teams playing bad football, but the Athletic Department needs to own that the actual game experience is not good and they need to bring in an outside consultant to fix things. The people in house just don't know how to do it.

One of the best games I've attended in recent memory was Furman (maybe Rhode Island) last year when the scoreboard broke. No announcers, no stupid gimmicks, no music, just watching football being played. It was awesome.

Great observations.

If you are going to engage the crowd, engage it. If you're not, just let there be silence or some music.

Concession lines seem to get worse year after year. Walking through the stadium before and during the game and it seems like lines stretch EVERYWHERE. I feel that the transition to CC vs. cash has made things worse as it takes longer for a CC transaction vs. cash, thereby making the lines worse.

Normally, I don't do much in the way of concessions, but I had to during the Wofford game. The 11 am kickoff ran the game through all acceptable lunch times, and I had a 9 year old with me. I just wanted to get a couple of hot dogs and drinks, so I was looking for the generic concession stands. I found one somewhere in the middle of the West stands, but the line stretched so far back, I don't know if there was an end. I gave up when it reached the end zone area.

So we turned around and were going to shift gears and get pizza, but then I noticed as I got in the extremely short line at the pizza place that they sold hot dogs too.

Maybe the bigger issue is having the specialized concession stands. Just keep a basic consistent menu at all of them.

Last but certainly not least, game length. Holy shit are the lengths of these games getting to be insane. It seemed like there were media timeouts after media timeouts Thursday night and it wasn't much different for Wofford and BC. The games just seem to drag on now because every injured player or review turns into a 3-4min media timeout where everyone just mills around. It sucks the energy out of the game and stadium as everyone collectively waits for the red-shirted devil to get off the field.

That's TV for us, and not much can be done with that. At least now the red shirt guy holds a board with a countdown on it, so you know how long the break is. But there was definitely one point last week where we had a TV timeout, punt, and another TV timeout.

That being said, the length of the games actually isn't that bad this year. BC was 3:06, and Wofford finished in under 3 hours. WVU went a little over 3:20. Well, the ODU game ran over 4 hours, but that's because of shitty elevators.

One of the best games I've attended in recent memory was Furman (maybe Rhode Island) last year when the scoreboard broke.

It was Richmond.

3. I pretty sure the announcing guy is bailey Angle. My brother doesn't like him too and during the Pittsburgh game last year he came on the big screen when tech was getting whooped and my brother goes SHUT UP BAILEY๐Ÿ˜‚ but he's a trooper about it. I told him that and he laugh his ass off and said yeah alot people get tired of it when tech is getting killed๐Ÿ˜‚

Here they come
Here comes the bastards
I heard it from a confidant
Who heard it from a confidant
They're definitely on their way

Students haven't been as much of a problem for us as some of the Hokies adult "fans." The beer sales in Lane help fuel some of this. Too many spills and bottles all around aside from the behaviors.

We have been to the BC and WVU games this season. Not very family friendly. From here on out, I will be very selective on what sections we sit in.

Here's what I want:
Blanket high res camera coverage of problem sections.
Review footage after every game for conduct violations
Cancel tickets for any offenders
Other punishments as necessary

It's unreasonable to expect security to control 67,000 fans. It's not unreasonable to call up assholes after the fact and let them know their tickets are being given away because they violated conduct policy

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