Looking at the game lineup for the rest of the day - there's really only ONE game between two ranked teams, and its happening at noon(???). And out of everything else, maybe Clemson / FSU gets a watch just to see how bad Clemson can run it up on FSU, and then USC/Minnesota for the novelty. Everything else seems kinda meh.
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These are the weekends where shock surprises happen.
How will Miami handle playing at 10:30pm East coast? Can SCAR pull off an upset? Is Mizzu real? Is Mac Brown still UNC coach after this week? Is UF paying a buyout after this week? We cheer for Rutgers to get to 5-0!
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Castellanos looked like hot garbage - not sure if he's still hurt or what. Plus, BC was completely running over loluva in the second half and inexplicably abandoned the run for a bunch of 5 yard pass plays.
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My wife is commenting on the Vanderbilt fans- it looks like they don't know how to cheer for this. She's pointing out that all their fans look like they're at a rave or something
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We were ready to crucify our coaching staff after the loss to Vandy... maybe that was a bit of an overreaction? We then lost two close games in a row and again, looking for the gallows. We then go on the road... coast to coast... after a tough loss and dominate on the road physically. Vandy then looks physically competitive with Alabama. Maybe we aren't as bad/lost as we think? Maybe there is some character developing with Brent Pry's team? Looking forward to seeing us under the lights against GT and hoping we may be on to something good.
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Stuff like this makes me sick. It's a game. You had 60 minutes to impact the outcome within the rules of that game. Sorry you got your ass handed to you - that's life. Man up.
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He's also a 5th year senior and a captain and when they tried to sub him out after this he told the sub to get off the field and waved the DC and Deboer back onto the side lines. I would hope if like Fuga was out there acting like this Pry would just bench is ass for a game+
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What a dirt bag. And the coaches doing nothing to discipline him shows a massive amount of sleaze from the coaching staff. What do you bet that if he r___ed some girl they would be trying to cover it up?
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TBF, we all loved CFB but I don't think anything was done when Marcus stomped on he Louisville player.
For me, blatant acts like those would earn a permanent seat on the pine
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Yes, I am totally with you. He should have been kicked out of the game if the refs saw it and should have been suspended for at least a game or two the following season. Was not Frank's best moment.
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I don't think anything was done when Marcus stomped on he Louisville player.
IIRC Beamer said he did not see it during that game, and I also think that Marcus was kicked off the team that off-season anyway after trying to hide the DUI.
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Or was that after he pulled a gun on some guys in a McDonald's parking lot? I don't think I'm making that up. Dude had talent but could not stay out of trouble.
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Marcus was long off the team and out of school when the McDonalds incident happened. Beamer's last straw with him was when he lied to him point blank. Great talent, 5 cent head.
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Clemson is pretty meh this year. If we can take care of business the rest of October, I think we could take them down in Lane. But have to continue showing up for four quarters.
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I definitely didn't have Vandy over Bama in football on my bingo card
Also can't wait for Findbum to spin this one. "Milroe had the flu and was only about 20% but really wanted to push through, that was the difference...". Blah blah blah
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Will be so nice if Michigan can lose again. And my Cyclones still looking good.
Edit: suck it Michigan. Those sleaze ball cheaters have quickly become my second most despised team after Penn State. Hope they get plastered every game until the NCAA strips last year's championship.
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Down goes Tennessee and Miami is down 21-10 to Cal in the second quarter. If Miami loses that'll be 6 of the top 11 losing. This kind of chaos is how we get into the playoffs! (ducks)
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Quick check of the interwebs reveals McChicken went 1-7 in 1934 after going 8-0 in 1932 and 7-0-1 in 1933. They actually went 31-1-3 between 1930 and 1933, so they lost more games in one year than they had in the previous five or six seasons combined.
But if you're knocking on the door of a record from the '30s, you are really doing something...wrong in this case.
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LSU won the 2019 Natty at 15-0, then in the covid year following went 5-5. First reigning champ since 1971 to not win 8 games the following year. And first since Michigan State in 1967/68 to not have a winning record.
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I'm a Steelers fan and love him, but that Miami hit reminded me of going back and watching some of James Harrison's highlights. Sure, James's hits were harder because he's literally the scariest person to ever play football, but that form looked just like some of the worst hits that created this rule in the first place. Also reminded me of Vontaze Burfict for the Bengals who literally exclusively tackled by cheap shotting
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Cam Ward has been great, but he has a W/L that is heavily assisted by white and black stripes this season...take away ours, and he still loses to unranked Cal
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Targeting call. 3 OL in the endzone on Cam Wards last TD.
The ACC is getting publicly reamed for the second week in a row for a very bad look in boosting Miami to victory...I'm starting to think Miami isn't actually very good.
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meh, when the ball was thrown for the winning TD, only one OL was beyond the 3-yard buffer and only barely so. Not an egregious miss. The refs also missed a facemask committed by Cal against Ward on that goal line series.
edit:
also the refs called a phantom OPI on Miami's first 4th quarter TD drive.. when they had 1st and goal after the late-hit OOB call, Miami's #11 was called for pass interference even though he didn't touch the defender covering #2. He made sure to twist out of the way (watch the play at 13:20)
Miami still scored but that bad call backed them up to the 19 yard line
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When the ball is released 73 is between the 1 and goal line so over a yard beyond the rule. It was pretty obvious but doesn't support the ACC narrative.
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Alabama, Tennessee, Michigan, USCw...this was almost a perfect weekend of college football. The only thing that would've made it better is if Miami and LOLUVA lost (and Iowa won). Oh well. I'm not scared of either of them.
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If Miami isn't going to implode and lose 6 straight this year then I hope they drop one before we get to beat their ass in the ACC championship and totally fuck up the playoff selection.
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Talking head and resident SEC sack holder Paul Finebaum is blaming Alabama's loss on Nick Saban. Of course he's responsible. It surely couldn't have been because Alabama overlooked the annual doormat after an emotional victory over a bitter rival.
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And complacent with the SEC as Tennessee drops only 4 sport losing to an unranked Arkansas, while they are just ahead of ole miss who lost to unranked KY, and then comes Clemson who lost to current #5 UGA.
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And what in the world did Clemson do to be top 10 suddenly? What a joke. They have been very meh and had an equally meh win over now 1-5 FSU who has checked out. They're obviously trying to set up a big Miami Clemson matchup in the ACCCG.
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Honestly this isn't a conspiracy. It's fact. We all know this is about each conference subtly guiding their best into the CFP, and they'll do whatever they can to manipulate a favorable outcome. The only thing I'm enjoying is that at least 4 real conference champions, determined by wins on the field and not opinion offs, will earn their right to be in the playoffs.
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I mean after what happened to FSU last year, the ACC is all in on completely gaming the system, even if they have to fuck over some of their traditional football schools in the process.
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Maybe, but the HUGE difference here is that we are talking about the 13th ranked team in the country. If the ACC can't manage a team in the top 12, we deserve to be left out.
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That's irrelevant to the resume though, which is dogshit.
A totally fair question is "What business does Clemson have being only 3 spots behind Bama with the same record?"
Clemson has a blowout loss (31 point loss) to UGA. Bama BEAT UGA, has played an overall tougher schedule, and Clemson has zero good wins.
That said, it's too early to spend any emotion on the ordering of these rankings. Some of these teams haven't played the tough teams on their schedules yet. I saw a tweet for the undefeated P5 teams SOS and the highest was Miami at 64th (with several in the 100's). There are many big games to come.
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Tell me what team has a better win than UGA right now? Just type the name of the team and the win.
Do not respond with some weird continuation of Bama receiving favorable treatment/bringing back a complaint about a completely different argument about FSU getting left out last year.
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Just so we are clear- loses - like to Vanderbilt- Don't count when we are trying to determine the best teams? Let's just get that straight right now. If you have a great win, you can lose any number of games and maintain the best resume? Just want to be straight on this.
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No one may have a better win, but at the same time, no team of a similar ilk may have a worse loss if Vandy tanks the season (which I don't think is likely).
I just want Bama to be treated like anyone else would in that scenario. And I think DC does too.
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But I think they are being treated properly...Compare them to other one loss teams: they are behind UGA, despite beating UGA head to head with the same record, a nod being given here to UGA though for having a close loss to a better team (Alabama). They have a better win than Tennessee, and are ahead of them, and Tennessee's loss is similar at this point in the season (Arkansas), Clemson is behind them with a blowout loss to a good team (31 pt loss to UGA), but have no good wins yet.
I'm saying they aren't really getting favorable treatment with their current ranking. It makes sense to me at this point.
Unbeaten teams who have played weak schedules so far are ahead of them because they are undefeated.
So from my POV, where is the favorable treatment coming from? Losing to Vandy is bad, no doubt. They probably have the best win (Georgia) though, and a P5 OOC road win at Wisky (not great but better than some resumes at this point). The only team with a possibly better win is Vandy, but they have a bad loss too (Ga State), and Mizzout (OT, not a bad loss), so they are being compared to two loss teams. The only ranked two win team IIRC is Michigan, and that's largely because they started off ranked so high, and a loss to Texas and close loss to Washington aren't "bad" losses I guess. I expect Michigan to drop out soon enough if they can't figure out some kind of passing game.
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In 2026 we go to 14 teams with EIGHT automatic bids to the SEC and B1G. So the regular season will be meaningless and the 4th place SEC team- likely with 3/4 losses gets an auto bid over a 1 loss Big 12 or ACC team. It's a crock, but college football is dead anyway. Bama- barring a catastrophe will make the playoffs every year with no sweat. Hell they could lose to Auburn for their 3rd loss and make it. I hope you enjoyed the Iron Bowl when it meant something.
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I don't know why you are saying this to me. I've been anti-playoff expansion for this exact reason. I've always said expansion helps the elite programs more than anyone else. No more Ohio State left out in 2021, Bama left out in 2022, etc.
On TKP I've pointed out many times that in a 12 team playoff, 2021 Ohio State would have been best served by resting their starters (Stroud, Olave, Wilson, etc) against Michigan, taking the loss, and then they get rewarded with a home playoff game and 3 games (home against 12 seed, SF, Final) between themselves and the national title which is the same as Michigan (neutral site conference championship game against Iowa, SF, Final) even though Michigan gets a "BYE" for winning the conference. Not only is it the same number of games, but the city of Columbus gets another millions of dollars in revenue gameday weekend. We might have behind the scenes political influence to rest starters for these games if it means getting a home playoff game instead of a bye.
Same situation could occur for an Iron Bowl.
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"against Michigan, taking the loss" - as of this moment, we aren't there with Ohio State- they don't speak to their children of they go to Michigan. They would laugh at anyone suggesting resting starters against Michigan for any reason. BUT because of ESPN, that soon will be a thing of the past. College football is no longer unique- its a watered down UFL now and it's only going to get worse. There is no real Rose Bowl anymore, soon The Iron Bowl will be meaningless. But unique takes a hard backseat to ESPN dollars. Michigan likes money more than the OSU rivalry. And any "system" in college football- a 2 team playoff, 50 team playoff, NIL, Recruiting, TV contracts, etc. favor the "elite". Always have always will
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It was the uniqueness of college football that made it appear to have this value. They (fox/BIG and espn/SEC) are making these changes and consolidating because they think they can snatch up all the money that the college football ecosystem has and hoard it all for themselves. But in doing so they are going to break the uniqueness of college football, and that's ultimately going to destroy the monetary value.
I already feel my fandom for the royal 'college football' fading. We used to watch basically any CFB game that was on, but would only watch our favorite NFL team. Now that's starting to swing and we only watch our CFB teams, but have a sunday ticket subscription and watch a lot more NFL games.
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to be clear, expansion isn't the reason the playoff is broken. It was broken from the outset when it wasn't structured as a true merit-based competition where each league gets one spot. The whole idea of "trying to get the four best teams" was complete and utter horseshit from the get-go and this unbalanced expansion where some leagues get more guaranteed spots than others just makes it way worse. It makes the regular season meaningless because as long as the "best" teams (Bama, OSU, etc) manage to lose fewer than 4 games they are in. They basically just have a 12 game pre-season to prep for a playoff.
IF it had been set up as a 4-team playoff where the 4 highest ranked conference champions got into the playoff no questions asked it would have avoided ALL of this goddamn nonsense. Would you get some weird playoffs where a really strong SEC runner up gets left out and the SEC Champion beats the hell out of an ACC champion? Maybe - but it would force more parity across the league. With every league getting an equal shot (and therefore share) it would naturally result in more parity, keeping college football weird and wonderful without any one league (or two, in this case) completely overrunning the entire sport at the cost of the majority. With the playoff only taking the top 4 ranked conference champions it forces a more meaningful regular season because every game matters. Your OOC games are important because the leagues that do well OOC will have better relative rankings. The conference games matter because you need to win those in order to even get to the league championship game. The leagues have to have championships in order to crown a champion to send to the playoff. Each league gets essentially the same benefit from making it to the playoff, save for the one league with the lowest ranked conf champion, and the league that has the best team gets bragging rights and little else more.
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I think the playoff itself was the biggest mistake, rather than the structure/determination of how it works. Damage is done though and we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. We are probably looking at more expansion until eventually settling at a 16 team playoff, but who knows.
I never wanted CFB to be more like every American sport.
The main thing I disagree with though is the idea that any playoff, no matter how big, would force parity.
The playoff creating parity requires you to believe that the primary objective of the best players in college football is to make the playoff and win a national title, when it is actually to make it to the NFL. Going to the top schools and practicing against the best in practice, which you do multiple times more than actual games, is what prepares you most for the pros. This leads to talent consolidation. That wasn't changing in any situation without actual parity controls, like pro leagues have.
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I was for the playoff initially because I thought the BCS was too much of a popularity contest and it irked me to no end that teams like 2007 OSU didn't really deserve to be there but had an inflated ranking because of name recognition and they ended up getting absolutely blasted by florida 41-14 or something when I think there were at least 2 or 3 other non-SEC teams that would have given florida a better game and would have been a better national championship (Florida probably still would have won, but at least it would have been a better game). I just hated that the blue-bloods were the only teams that got to the table, mostly on name and not at all on merit.
A playoff could have fixed that had it been structured properly. But as soon as the playoff was created, and I saw how f-ing flawed it was, I knew that things were going to get worse, not better.
The main thing I disagree with though is the idea that any playoff, no matter how big, would force parity.
The playoff creating parity requires you to believe that the primary objective of the best players in college football is to make the playoff and win a national title, when it is actually to make it to the NFL. Going to the top schools and practicing against the best in practice, which you do multiple times more than actual games, is what prepares you most for the pros. This leads to talent consolidation. That wasn't changing in any situation without actual parity controls, like pro leagues have.
EDIT to address your edit:
I think to a degree, you're right. But, that said, you can only consolidate so much talent in one league with roster limits and everything. The players do also want to get on the field, which is harder to do when you're on a top-heavy team. Plus, with the playoff guaranteeing one spot to each conference, regardless, it becomes more unclear which leagues have the best talent. If Clemson wins 2 of 4 championships in a 4 year stretch who is to say that the ACC isn't as talented or more talented than the SEC? Talented coaches and players aren't all going to flock to one league or another if the talent discrepancy is ambiguous - they'll find the best teams in each league. Also, the financial benefits of being in the playoff won't become so unbalanced. As it is right now, the leagues that put the most teams into the playoff stand to gain the most financially, creating more imbalance. And where do the most talented coaches and players go these days? It's not necessarily to the teams that will best showcase their talents for the next league. It's to the teams that can pay them the most. If you really want college football to stay weird and wonderful, you need to figure out a way to keep the financial incentives relatively even across the leagues. Otherwise, you'll get all of the talent consolidating around the money, not the competition. That is what this version of the playoff is designed to do. Funnel all the money to the "top" leagues so they can remain on top forever.
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Didn't mean to ninja edit there, I actually didn't even realize that was an edit until I submitted it and already had an upvote lol.
The problem with that idea of talent is that every way we can measure what is best for making the pros, the SEC is the best at. They recruit the best, they put the most players in the NFL, etc. It's circular, but it's a direct feedback loop.
On the culture side, that is the part of the country that cares the most about college football, they fill the largest number of big stadiums, give their money to the programs, draw the most eyes on TV, get the most big-time regular season matchups no matter which school you go to, and therefore are going to be a major magnet for recruits in that sense. Clemson winning 2 national championships in 4 years only benefitted Clemson. THEY were good, not the ACC, and in fact, they had an easier path to the playoff every year with a strong enough roster to win it, and that benefitted THEM on the recruiting trail whether recruits would come out and say that or not (they would not admit it, no reason to).
The 2nd best in all these aspects is B1G, and that's how we ended up with such a disparity and heading towards a P2. That part wasn't really ever going to be equal unless there were some kind of controls that forced the money to be equal.
If anything, I think the transfer portal has created more parity than the playoff because I agree that these guys do want to get on the field. They won't make it to the pros, or get to play the game they love, if they don't get on the field.
The portal though has been giveth-and-taketh in that nature. Vandy, for example, has lost a lot of their best players to the portal, but also just got their biggest win in modern history (total history?) against Bama because of the portal.
The portal has re-distributed some good players to allow some of the mid-tier P5 teams to punch up. It has also caused many mid-tier P5's and G5's to lose their best players to shore up holes on the top teams. Those teams also benefitted from having rosters stacked with super seniors with COVID elgiibility, which was a temporary parity benefit.
Ultimately, the same teams who dominate HS recruiting are still going to be the best off.
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"Clemson winning 2 national championships in 4 years only benefitted Clemson. " - how very true. Much like ND's association with the ACC only helps ND. Said it at the time, said it again. The conference is about to die.... WITH an association with the alleged "biggest brand in football". LMFAO
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I think the main point sold to the masses for the playoff was that it would give some other teams a chance that historically hadn't had the chance before. So, ignoring talent distribution altogether for a moment, the idea behind the playoff wasn't to create parity, but to give teams that never had a shot before at least some semblance of a shot. In that regard, the way the playoff was structured completely failed to deliver on that. Was that the true intent of the playoff by the powers-that-be? Probably not. they probably got exactly what they wanted. The playoff is probably functioning exactly as they had hoped. But it's not the playoff that the fans wanted.
So I don't think the playoff was really meant to create parity. I think you make really good points about culture, exposure, and results. How much of that is self-fulfilling prophecy, though?
In any case, I wasn't against the playoff because, if done correctly, it wasn't going to hurt the sport much. The sport would stay weird and wonderful, mostly. The regular season wouldn't be deemed meaningless. The same problems that plagued the league before probably would have persisted. The one thing that would get fixed, probably, is that some teams that wouldn't normally get a shot would get it.
But the way it is structured completely fails to achieve the one thing the playoff was meant to address. And it exacerbates everything else.
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I agree with you, but the SEC would never agree to having "only" 1 team in a 4 team playoff. They DEMANDED the door be open for 2 teams, even by definition one of those teams having a loss. 25% of the playoff field was never enough for those fucking assholes. And ESPN laps them up, and controlled the field for the most part. The sport will never be as good as it once was. Sure semi pro football fanbois will point to TV ratings, etc but the sport is dead and it's not coming back. Eventually there will be 2 major conferences and a salary cap. - Pro football.
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That said, it's too early to spend any emotion on the ordering of these rankings.
This is kinda my point. You can make an argument for putting these teams in almost any order, but I like to bucket them:
Elite and unbeaten: Texas, OSU, Oregon
Elite teams that took an L: UGA, Bama
Second Tier (unproven, or really good but incomplete): PSU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Iowa State, ND, BYU, LSU, TAMU, Boise, KSU, IU, Pitt
For that third bucket, you could argue just about any order for those 12 teams and I'd be okay with it.
So, you can tell me Clemson is anywhere between the 6th best team and the 20th, and I'd agree with you. Realistically, I think they'll finish in the 8-12 range, but we'll see.
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That was unintentional. I think for the first time in 20 some years Miami is actually a legit top 10 team. But, they looked very gettable, two straight weeks to two average P5 teams.
I put Miami in the same bucket as Clemson; They are clearly a very good team, but they are incomplete. In my opinion, they are very obviously outside the top five and very obviously inside the top 20. I think you can make an argument for putting them anywhere from number six to just outside the top 15..
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Agreed. On a neutral field Miami beats BYU, Boise, and Iowa state handily, IMO. They put up huge yards on us, had 4 turnovers, etc and got first downs when they needed. I thought Cal played them tougher than we did- hail mary notwithstanding.
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he also didn't make the claim that miami definitely wasn't top 10 so he doesn't bear any of the burden of proving it so.... For all we know, he's agreeing with Bar and helping to make his point
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Texas, Bama, UGA, Tenn, osu, Oregon, BYU, Utah, ND, Penn St., Ole Miss, potentially ISU and Clemson as well.
So that would put miami around 14 or 15th
The teams they were supposed to beat, they did convincingly. The two teams they played that had any sort of pulse, they needed miracles, luck and help from the refs to get the W.
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Meh, based on what we know right now, I'd say at most 6 of those teams are definitively better than Miami.
SP+ has Miami as #6. On a nuetral site, they'd be a 2 point favorite against ND, 1.5pt underdog to PSU, 4pt favorite against Clemson. 5 pt underdog to Ole Miss, 12pt favorite over BYU, 8pt favorite over ISU...
Also, with Cam Rising out, the spread against Utah is definitely double digits.
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And I thought Syracuse was going to wipe the floor with UNLV so we have an even match. TCU going down was unexpected.
Syracuse pulling out the OT win was definitely not on my bingo card
Damn, first time TCU's lost to Houston in their last 10. At least we aren't the only team that suffers from backup-QB-itis
Looking at the game lineup for the rest of the day - there's really only ONE game between two ranked teams, and its happening at noon(???). And out of everything else, maybe Clemson / FSU gets a watch just to see how bad Clemson can run it up on FSU, and then USC/Minnesota for the novelty. Everything else seems kinda meh.
These are the weekends where shock surprises happen.
How will Miami handle playing at 10:30pm East coast? Can SCAR pull off an upset? Is Mizzu real? Is Mac Brown still UNC coach after this week? Is UF paying a buyout after this week? We cheer for Rutgers to get to 5-0!
Only 4 out of conference games today, we get to find out about some teams and Duke, BYU, Miami, and Indiana can get bowl eligibility.
Can Vanderbilt beat bama?
Yes, because they didn't let the SEC decide the game.
They know Alabama will make the playoffs even with 2 losses.
They may beg Alabama to play even if they had more than six losses. Why? - just because they are Alabama and they deserve it. /s
You were saying???
Brad is also putting up points this year st sam Houston state, I dont know what changed but he single handily kept Iowa out of last in ppg last year
he must have his guys finally... lol
My goodness the SMU offense looks unstoppable.
Refs missing a blatant hands to the face of the QB from 0 for PSU against UCLA but call a maybe helmet to helmet down the field.
Have not been watching. Officials sucking up to Penn State again, I take it?
Damn... penalties all going against Mizzou right now. Should be up by at least 4 points right now, and instead they're trailing by 10
They've gotten a couple bad calls, but frankly A&M looks like the much better team.
Grayson McCall carted off the field after a nasty hit to the head. Entire NC State team looked pretty emotional during the whole ordeal.
First to 50 points is going to win between SMU and Louisville
Wahoos coming back in the 4th quarter to take the lead 24-14 over Boston College. I was hoping to see some surrender cobras on their homecoming game.
Castellanos looked like hot garbage - not sure if he's still hurt or what. Plus, BC was completely running over loluva in the second half and inexplicably abandoned the run for a bunch of 5 yard pass plays.
Bc started passing to spite themselves
Vandy is beating Bama!!!! (it's not going to last)
Don't be so sure. Andy once beat the Roanoke Times.
LOL Bama just turned the ball right back over with 2 #2s on punt coverage! Fire Kalen DeBoer!
VANDY BEAT BAMA!
Bama just had 2 "2" on a punt against vandy!!!
Alabama just gave up a first down to vandy by having two #2 on a punt return on 4th and 4
Suddenly not as upset as I was 5 weeks ago about the loss to Vandy...
Alabama is about to get their asses handed to them by the league doormat. I love it.
If that happens, SEC shorts will be WILD
I just watched it and it was glorious. Not least for some shade thrown at FSU.
Pimpin'
Favorite part...."You have got to be kidding me Alabama"
Watch the fairy granting wishes one...They called Vandy!
I am. We played like crap and sleep walked through much of the game. This upset doesn't change that one bit.
I'm still upset, but more like Miami level of upset.
23-7 Vandy ...
Bama waking up
Vanderbilt starting to wake up again, too
Vandy just got a fumble recovery with 9:00 left in the fourth. They're up 33-28
My wife is commenting on the Vanderbilt fans- it looks like they don't know how to cheer for this. She's pointing out that all their fans look like they're at a rave or something
Can confirm, outside of the frat kids they had no idea how to win a game when we were there.
So our loss to Vandy looks better now? Or nah?
In a word, yes.
40 burger for Vandy
First game Bama has really missed Saban. They have not figured out the Vandy alt-triple
never should've let Kill walk away lol
Never should have let ____ walk...a Virginia Tech story.
Wait. A Vandy player was out of bounds and touched the ball. That's INCOMPLETE!!! /s
They're gonna hand this game back to Bama
Vanderbilts last win vs Alabama was in 1984.
They have never beaten a top 5 team.
We were ready to crucify our coaching staff after the loss to Vandy... maybe that was a bit of an overreaction? We then lost two close games in a row and again, looking for the gallows. We then go on the road... coast to coast... after a tough loss and dominate on the road physically. Vandy then looks physically competitive with Alabama. Maybe we aren't as bad/lost as we think? Maybe there is some character developing with Brent Pry's team? Looking forward to seeing us under the lights against GT and hoping we may be on to something good.
I mean, that game was just as winnable today as it was 5 weeks ago. We still lost due to self inflicted errors.
If that defender had kept edge containment there that might have ended the game right there.
I gotta say.....that guy Pavia is a fuckin player. He's got balls.
Vandy has this in the bag, folks
HOLY SHIT GUYS! VANDY IS A QUALITY LOSS!!!!
And Alabama will still be in the fucking playoffs regardless, cause $EC.
Go Vandy.
Alabama are really shitty losers.
Kicking the ball... What was that about? That just makes the part where you have to stand on the field knowing you lost the game take longer.
This was way worse than kicking the ball. Grabbed Pavia by face mask and slammed his head into the ground.
Alabama coaching staff has already said he won't be suspended for either action plus a couple other post game tantrums.
Stuff like this makes me sick. It's a game. You had 60 minutes to impact the outcome within the rules of that game. Sorry you got your ass handed to you - that's life. Man up.
He's also a 5th year senior and a captain and when they tried to sub him out after this he told the sub to get off the field and waved the DC and Deboer back onto the side lines. I would hope if like Fuga was out there acting like this Pry would just bench is ass for a game+
2 time captain apparently
this is what entitlement looks like when someone who isn't used to being told 'no' loses
just a petulant child - hard to blame the kid though - everyone around him has enabled this his entire life. he is spoiled.
What a dirt bag. And the coaches doing nothing to discipline him shows a massive amount of sleaze from the coaching staff. What do you bet that if he r___ed some girl they would be trying to cover it up?
"Hold my beer" Art Briles
TBF, we all loved CFB but I don't think anything was done when Marcus stomped on he Louisville player.
For me, blatant acts like those would earn a permanent seat on the pine
Yes, I am totally with you. He should have been kicked out of the game if the refs saw it and should have been suspended for at least a game or two the following season. Was not Frank's best moment.
This stuff is worse than targeting, they should definitely punish it at the NCAA level.
My buddy talked to coach cav about it once. Cav said dumerville was taking cheap shots all game, so the staff didn't care.
IIRC Beamer said he did not see it during that game, and I also think that Marcus was kicked off the team that off-season anyway after trying to hide the DUI.
Or was that after he pulled a gun on some guys in a McDonald's parking lot? I don't think I'm making that up. Dude had talent but could not stay out of trouble.
Marcus was long off the team and out of school when the McDonalds incident happened. Beamer's last straw with him was when he lied to him point blank. Great talent, 5 cent head.
My recollection was that Frank punished him after the game. Said he would have pulled him if he had seen it live.
They did replay it on the screen more than once
I remember seeing the replay on the TV screen. I wasn't there so I don't know what was on the screen at Loserville.
well well well...
SEC Shorts and Roll Call are going to be INSANE!
so that double number 2 on special teams lost bama that game
So other coaches can't keep their numbers straight either...
Roll Dores...makes our loss feel not so bad!
Quality loss?
Here comes the spin cycle from the SEC!
NCAA is about to outlaw the double number penalty. It cost Vandy 2 losses this season.
SEC Shorts/Roll Call gon be lit
Just saw a Boise State game highlight. Man do I hate that field.
I love that field, and their RB should be a heisman candidate (if not winner) this year.
Go Washington!!!! let's see some more upsets
Clemson is pretty meh this year. If we can take care of business the rest of October, I think we could take them down in Lane. But have to continue showing up for four quarters.
I haven't watched them this year but Kulbnik has been super overrated so far.
I definitely didn't have Vandy over Bama in football on my bingo card
Also can't wait for Findbum to spin this one. "Milroe had the flu and was only about 20% but really wanted to push through, that was the difference...". Blah blah blah
More than one team is going to be "officially concerned" this week.
Will be so nice if Michigan can lose again. And my Cyclones still looking good.
Edit: suck it Michigan. Those sleaze ball cheaters have quickly become my second most despised team after Penn State. Hope they get plastered every game until the NCAA strips last year's championship.
And now USC is in serious trouble against Minnesota (not a typo) and Tennessee can't put any distance against Arkansas
4 top 10 teams lost and one is currently battling.
What a weekend.
These are what college football weekends are really about!
The monkey paw sure as hell curled this weekend.
Yay to team chaos!
Down goes Tennessee and Miami is down 21-10 to Cal in the second quarter. If Miami loses that'll be 6 of the top 11 losing. This kind of chaos is how we get into the playoffs! (ducks)
Neat little piles of chaos.
Bama, USC, Mizzou, Mich, UNLV, and UL too. Lots of ranked teams losing.
Also, let's not forget to point out that FSU is 1-5 and it brings me so much joy.
That is insane. To go from 12-0 to 1-5. Wonder what the worst record after a perfect regular season. They have to be setting an all-time record.
I dont know right after but the 12-1, 9-4, 0-12, 6-7, 13-0 for UCF was very interesting
Quick check of the interwebs reveals McChicken went 1-7 in 1934 after going 8-0 in 1932 and 7-0-1 in 1933. They actually went 31-1-3 between 1930 and 1933, so they lost more games in one year than they had in the previous five or six seasons combined.
But if you're knocking on the door of a record from the '30s, you are really doing something...wrong in this case.
McChicken? I dont understand
McChicken = Meeechigan = UM
Edit: I've been referring to them as McChicken since Danny caught the damn ball,
LSU won the 2019 Natty at 15-0, then in the covid year following went 5-5. First reigning champ since 1971 to not win 8 games the following year. And first since Michigan State in 1967/68 to not have a winning record.
Lol at the refs out in Berkeley jfc
Yep. This is insane. Miami refs again!!!!
Holy. F'ing. S.
I'm still up watching Miami. That was 1 trillion percent a targeting against Miami that was reviewed and decided no call.
I'm full on conspiracy theory ACC is handling Miami now.
At the time of this writing, Miami may still lose, but they just had a 77 yard pass.
I beg of all of you, catch these highlights. We got screwed and so is Cal
Cal getting Tech'd.
I made this green at 12 hours old. Underrated comment right there.
If that wasn't targeting, then they should just just do away with that as a penalty
Motherfucker literally charged up his headbutt on that one lol
I'm a Steelers fan and love him, but that Miami hit reminded me of going back and watching some of James Harrison's highlights. Sure, James's hits were harder because he's literally the scariest person to ever play football, but that form looked just like some of the worst hits that created this rule in the first place. Also reminded me of Vontaze Burfict for the Bengals who literally exclusively tackled by cheap shotting
The NCAA will use it for teaching refs what targeting is this off season. and then boast that it was correctly called on the field.
Although I agree that officials have been questionable at best......... Cam Ward is Heisman material 100%
Cam Ward has been great, but he has a W/L that is heavily assisted by white and black stripes this season...take away ours, and he still loses to unranked Cal
He's calm and collected but he had a big part in getting them into the hole they were in.
Miami pulled it out at the last minute.
"The refs pulled it out at the last minute for the Miami hurricanes " FTFY
Targeting call. 3 OL in the endzone on Cam Wards last TD.
The ACC is getting publicly reamed for the second week in a row for a very bad look in boosting Miami to victory...I'm starting to think Miami isn't actually very good.
I did not say what they pulled out, did I.
Must have been their wallet for the ACC crew lol
Notice that the targeting review was much quicker than ours - wire instructions were already in place, I guess.
meh, when the ball was thrown for the winning TD, only one OL was beyond the 3-yard buffer and only barely so. Not an egregious miss. The refs also missed a facemask committed by Cal against Ward on that goal line series.
edit:
also the refs called a phantom OPI on Miami's first 4th quarter TD drive.. when they had 1st and goal after the late-hit OOB call, Miami's #11 was called for pass interference even though he didn't touch the defender covering #2. He made sure to twist out of the way (watch the play at 13:20)
Miami still scored but that bad call backed them up to the 19 yard line
When the ball is released 73 is between the 1 and goal line so over a yard beyond the rule. It was pretty obvious but doesn't support the ACC narrative.
I'm just saying this crew was making bad calls all game that favored both teams
Can we start a class action suit against the ACC?
Dang, didn't realize Sam Pittman read Ed Ogeron's Coach Speak 101 book
Alabama, Tennessee, Michigan, USCw...this was almost a perfect weekend of college football. The only thing that would've made it better is if Miami and LOLUVA lost (and Iowa won). Oh well. I'm not scared of either of them.
Funny how average Michigan is without knowing their opponents plays?
ACC debuting new referee uniforms...
This needs to go plaid and be posted everywhere.
SHEESH
Part of that is deboer's scheme. I'd wager that he's lost the TOP battle in many of wins even in last year's UW playoff run.
But part of that is also Vandy's offensive scheme/play.
Only good thing about the second consecutive screwjob is that we still have a puncher's chance to get our revenge. Cross fingers, cross toes
If Miami isn't going to implode and lose 6 straight this year then I hope they drop one before we get to beat their ass in the ACC championship and totally fuck up the playoff selection.
Talking head and resident SEC sack holder Paul Finebaum is blaming Alabama's loss on Nick Saban. Of course he's responsible. It surely couldn't have been because Alabama overlooked the annual doormat after an emotional victory over a bitter rival.
more like Paul Whinebaum amirite
AP Poll continues to reaffirm Jim Phillips Miami plan. Voters moved them to 6th ahead of Bama.
And complacent with the SEC as Tennessee drops only 4 sport losing to an unranked Arkansas, while they are just ahead of ole miss who lost to unranked KY, and then comes Clemson who lost to current #5 UGA.
And what in the world did Clemson do to be top 10 suddenly? What a joke. They have been very meh and had an equally meh win over now 1-5 FSU who has checked out. They're obviously trying to set up a big Miami Clemson matchup in the ACCCG.
Honestly this isn't a conspiracy. It's fact. We all know this is about each conference subtly guiding their best into the CFP, and they'll do whatever they can to manipulate a favorable outcome. The only thing I'm enjoying is that at least 4 real conference champions, determined by wins on the field and not opinion offs, will earn their right to be in the playoffs.
Well it will be a nice top ten win on our resume when we beat Clemson in Lane this year.
I mean after what happened to FSU last year, the ACC is all in on completely gaming the system, even if they have to fuck over some of their traditional football schools in the process.
Maybe, but the HUGE difference here is that we are talking about the 13th ranked team in the country. If the ACC can't manage a team in the top 12, we deserve to be left out.
so far they're managing to get a team in the top 6
They've kicked the shit out of most everyone except top 4 UGA. most analytics services have them in the top 10 too.
That's irrelevant to the resume though, which is dogshit.
A totally fair question is "What business does Clemson have being only 3 spots behind Bama with the same record?"
Clemson has a blowout loss (31 point loss) to UGA. Bama BEAT UGA, has played an overall tougher schedule, and Clemson has zero good wins.
That said, it's too early to spend any emotion on the ordering of these rankings. Some of these teams haven't played the tough teams on their schedules yet. I saw a tweet for the undefeated P5 teams SOS and the highest was Miami at 64th (with several in the 100's). There are many big games to come.
As we know- Bama's resume is always better. No matter what. The loss to Vandy won't count. Their resume is stronger than everyones.
Tell me what team has a better win than UGA right now? Just type the name of the team and the win.
Do not respond with some weird continuation of Bama receiving favorable treatment/bringing back a complaint about a completely different argument about FSU getting left out last year.
Just so we are clear- loses - like to Vanderbilt- Don't count when we are trying to determine the best teams? Let's just get that straight right now. If you have a great win, you can lose any number of games and maintain the best resume? Just want to be straight on this.
No one may have a better win, but at the same time, no team of a similar ilk may have a worse loss if Vandy tanks the season (which I don't think is likely).
I just want Bama to be treated like anyone else would in that scenario. And I think DC does too.
But I think they are being treated properly...Compare them to other one loss teams: they are behind UGA, despite beating UGA head to head with the same record, a nod being given here to UGA though for having a close loss to a better team (Alabama). They have a better win than Tennessee, and are ahead of them, and Tennessee's loss is similar at this point in the season (Arkansas), Clemson is behind them with a blowout loss to a good team (31 pt loss to UGA), but have no good wins yet.
I'm saying they aren't really getting favorable treatment with their current ranking. It makes sense to me at this point.
Unbeaten teams who have played weak schedules so far are ahead of them because they are undefeated.
So from my POV, where is the favorable treatment coming from? Losing to Vandy is bad, no doubt. They probably have the best win (Georgia) though, and a P5 OOC road win at Wisky (not great but better than some resumes at this point). The only team with a possibly better win is Vandy, but they have a bad loss too (Ga State), and Mizzout (OT, not a bad loss), so they are being compared to two loss teams. The only ranked two win team IIRC is Michigan, and that's largely because they started off ranked so high, and a loss to Texas and close loss to Washington aren't "bad" losses I guess. I expect Michigan to drop out soon enough if they can't figure out some kind of passing game.
In 2026 we go to 14 teams with EIGHT automatic bids to the SEC and B1G. So the regular season will be meaningless and the 4th place SEC team- likely with 3/4 losses gets an auto bid over a 1 loss Big 12 or ACC team. It's a crock, but college football is dead anyway. Bama- barring a catastrophe will make the playoffs every year with no sweat. Hell they could lose to Auburn for their 3rd loss and make it. I hope you enjoyed the Iron Bowl when it meant something.
I don't know why you are saying this to me. I've been anti-playoff expansion for this exact reason. I've always said expansion helps the elite programs more than anyone else. No more Ohio State left out in 2021, Bama left out in 2022, etc.
On TKP I've pointed out many times that in a 12 team playoff, 2021 Ohio State would have been best served by resting their starters (Stroud, Olave, Wilson, etc) against Michigan, taking the loss, and then they get rewarded with a home playoff game and 3 games (home against 12 seed, SF, Final) between themselves and the national title which is the same as Michigan (neutral site conference championship game against Iowa, SF, Final) even though Michigan gets a "BYE" for winning the conference. Not only is it the same number of games, but the city of Columbus gets another millions of dollars in revenue gameday weekend. We might have behind the scenes political influence to rest starters for these games if it means getting a home playoff game instead of a bye.
Same situation could occur for an Iron Bowl.
"against Michigan, taking the loss" - as of this moment, we aren't there with Ohio State- they don't speak to their children of they go to Michigan. They would laugh at anyone suggesting resting starters against Michigan for any reason. BUT because of ESPN, that soon will be a thing of the past. College football is no longer unique- its a watered down UFL now and it's only going to get worse. There is no real Rose Bowl anymore, soon The Iron Bowl will be meaningless. But unique takes a hard backseat to ESPN dollars. Michigan likes money more than the OSU rivalry. And any "system" in college football- a 2 team playoff, 50 team playoff, NIL, Recruiting, TV contracts, etc. favor the "elite". Always have always will
It was the uniqueness of college football that made it appear to have this value. They (fox/BIG and espn/SEC) are making these changes and consolidating because they think they can snatch up all the money that the college football ecosystem has and hoard it all for themselves. But in doing so they are going to break the uniqueness of college football, and that's ultimately going to destroy the monetary value.
I already feel my fandom for the royal 'college football' fading. We used to watch basically any CFB game that was on, but would only watch our favorite NFL team. Now that's starting to swing and we only watch our CFB teams, but have a sunday ticket subscription and watch a lot more NFL games.
to be clear, expansion isn't the reason the playoff is broken. It was broken from the outset when it wasn't structured as a true merit-based competition where each league gets one spot. The whole idea of "trying to get the four best teams" was complete and utter horseshit from the get-go and this unbalanced expansion where some leagues get more guaranteed spots than others just makes it way worse. It makes the regular season meaningless because as long as the "best" teams (Bama, OSU, etc) manage to lose fewer than 4 games they are in. They basically just have a 12 game pre-season to prep for a playoff.
IF it had been set up as a 4-team playoff where the 4 highest ranked conference champions got into the playoff no questions asked it would have avoided ALL of this goddamn nonsense. Would you get some weird playoffs where a really strong SEC runner up gets left out and the SEC Champion beats the hell out of an ACC champion? Maybe - but it would force more parity across the league. With every league getting an equal shot (and therefore share) it would naturally result in more parity, keeping college football weird and wonderful without any one league (or two, in this case) completely overrunning the entire sport at the cost of the majority. With the playoff only taking the top 4 ranked conference champions it forces a more meaningful regular season because every game matters. Your OOC games are important because the leagues that do well OOC will have better relative rankings. The conference games matter because you need to win those in order to even get to the league championship game. The leagues have to have championships in order to crown a champion to send to the playoff. Each league gets essentially the same benefit from making it to the playoff, save for the one league with the lowest ranked conf champion, and the league that has the best team gets bragging rights and little else more.
I think the playoff itself was the biggest mistake, rather than the structure/determination of how it works. Damage is done though and we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. We are probably looking at more expansion until eventually settling at a 16 team playoff, but who knows.
I never wanted CFB to be more like every American sport.
The main thing I disagree with though is the idea that any playoff, no matter how big, would force parity.
The playoff creating parity requires you to believe that the primary objective of the best players in college football is to make the playoff and win a national title, when it is actually to make it to the NFL. Going to the top schools and practicing against the best in practice, which you do multiple times more than actual games, is what prepares you most for the pros. This leads to talent consolidation. That wasn't changing in any situation without actual parity controls, like pro leagues have.
I was for the playoff initially because I thought the BCS was too much of a popularity contest and it irked me to no end that teams like 2007 OSU didn't really deserve to be there but had an inflated ranking because of name recognition and they ended up getting absolutely blasted by florida 41-14 or something when I think there were at least 2 or 3 other non-SEC teams that would have given florida a better game and would have been a better national championship (Florida probably still would have won, but at least it would have been a better game). I just hated that the blue-bloods were the only teams that got to the table, mostly on name and not at all on merit.
A playoff could have fixed that had it been structured properly. But as soon as the playoff was created, and I saw how f-ing flawed it was, I knew that things were going to get worse, not better.
EDIT to address your edit:
I think to a degree, you're right. But, that said, you can only consolidate so much talent in one league with roster limits and everything. The players do also want to get on the field, which is harder to do when you're on a top-heavy team. Plus, with the playoff guaranteeing one spot to each conference, regardless, it becomes more unclear which leagues have the best talent. If Clemson wins 2 of 4 championships in a 4 year stretch who is to say that the ACC isn't as talented or more talented than the SEC? Talented coaches and players aren't all going to flock to one league or another if the talent discrepancy is ambiguous - they'll find the best teams in each league. Also, the financial benefits of being in the playoff won't become so unbalanced. As it is right now, the leagues that put the most teams into the playoff stand to gain the most financially, creating more imbalance. And where do the most talented coaches and players go these days? It's not necessarily to the teams that will best showcase their talents for the next league. It's to the teams that can pay them the most. If you really want college football to stay weird and wonderful, you need to figure out a way to keep the financial incentives relatively even across the leagues. Otherwise, you'll get all of the talent consolidating around the money, not the competition. That is what this version of the playoff is designed to do. Funnel all the money to the "top" leagues so they can remain on top forever.
Didn't mean to ninja edit there, I actually didn't even realize that was an edit until I submitted it and already had an upvote lol.
The problem with that idea of talent is that every way we can measure what is best for making the pros, the SEC is the best at. They recruit the best, they put the most players in the NFL, etc. It's circular, but it's a direct feedback loop.
On the culture side, that is the part of the country that cares the most about college football, they fill the largest number of big stadiums, give their money to the programs, draw the most eyes on TV, get the most big-time regular season matchups no matter which school you go to, and therefore are going to be a major magnet for recruits in that sense. Clemson winning 2 national championships in 4 years only benefitted Clemson. THEY were good, not the ACC, and in fact, they had an easier path to the playoff every year with a strong enough roster to win it, and that benefitted THEM on the recruiting trail whether recruits would come out and say that or not (they would not admit it, no reason to).
The 2nd best in all these aspects is B1G, and that's how we ended up with such a disparity and heading towards a P2. That part wasn't really ever going to be equal unless there were some kind of controls that forced the money to be equal.
If anything, I think the transfer portal has created more parity than the playoff because I agree that these guys do want to get on the field. They won't make it to the pros, or get to play the game they love, if they don't get on the field.
The portal though has been giveth-and-taketh in that nature. Vandy, for example, has lost a lot of their best players to the portal, but also just got their biggest win in modern history (total history?) against Bama because of the portal.
The portal has re-distributed some good players to allow some of the mid-tier P5 teams to punch up. It has also caused many mid-tier P5's and G5's to lose their best players to shore up holes on the top teams. Those teams also benefitted from having rosters stacked with super seniors with COVID elgiibility, which was a temporary parity benefit.
Ultimately, the same teams who dominate HS recruiting are still going to be the best off.
"Clemson winning 2 national championships in 4 years only benefitted Clemson. " - how very true. Much like ND's association with the ACC only helps ND. Said it at the time, said it again. The conference is about to die.... WITH an association with the alleged "biggest brand in football". LMFAO
I think the main point sold to the masses for the playoff was that it would give some other teams a chance that historically hadn't had the chance before. So, ignoring talent distribution altogether for a moment, the idea behind the playoff wasn't to create parity, but to give teams that never had a shot before at least some semblance of a shot. In that regard, the way the playoff was structured completely failed to deliver on that. Was that the true intent of the playoff by the powers-that-be? Probably not. they probably got exactly what they wanted. The playoff is probably functioning exactly as they had hoped. But it's not the playoff that the fans wanted.
So I don't think the playoff was really meant to create parity. I think you make really good points about culture, exposure, and results. How much of that is self-fulfilling prophecy, though?
In any case, I wasn't against the playoff because, if done correctly, it wasn't going to hurt the sport much. The sport would stay weird and wonderful, mostly. The regular season wouldn't be deemed meaningless. The same problems that plagued the league before probably would have persisted. The one thing that would get fixed, probably, is that some teams that wouldn't normally get a shot would get it.
But the way it is structured completely fails to achieve the one thing the playoff was meant to address. And it exacerbates everything else.
I agree with you, but the SEC would never agree to having "only" 1 team in a 4 team playoff. They DEMANDED the door be open for 2 teams, even by definition one of those teams having a loss. 25% of the playoff field was never enough for those fucking assholes. And ESPN laps them up, and controlled the field for the most part. The sport will never be as good as it once was. Sure semi pro football fanbois will point to TV ratings, etc but the sport is dead and it's not coming back. Eventually there will be 2 major conferences and a salary cap. - Pro football.
This is kinda my point. You can make an argument for putting these teams in almost any order, but I like to bucket them:
For that third bucket, you could argue just about any order for those 12 teams and I'd be okay with it.
So, you can tell me Clemson is anywhere between the 6th best team and the 20th, and I'd agree with you. Realistically, I think they'll finish in the 8-12 range, but we'll see.
Not after losing to us they won't
I hate Miami as much as you do, but they are better than Pitt, Iowa State, BYU, Boise, etc. I take it you left them out on purpose?
That was unintentional. I think for the first time in 20 some years Miami is actually a legit top 10 team. But, they looked very gettable, two straight weeks to two average P5 teams.
I put Miami in the same bucket as Clemson; They are clearly a very good team, but they are incomplete. In my opinion, they are very obviously outside the top five and very obviously inside the top 20. I think you can make an argument for putting them anywhere from number six to just outside the top 15..
Agreed. On a neutral field Miami beats BYU, Boise, and Iowa state handily, IMO. They put up huge yards on us, had 4 turnovers, etc and got first downs when they needed. I thought Cal played them tougher than we did- hail mary notwithstanding.
I'm a believer in Boise man. Jeanty is the real deal. If Miami couldn't contain Tuten, idk if they can contain Jeanty.
Miami is not a legit top 10. Top 25, yes but not inside the 10. I still think they drop two before all is said and sone.
Find me 9 teams who are definitively better than Miami. I can give you 5.
Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, UGA, aTm, Missou, LSU- sense a theme here. It's 2024 afterall.
I'll take Miami over Mizzou, TAMU, and LSU today. But I think TAMU is improving so we'll see.
he also only named seven teams so
he also didn't make the claim that miami definitely wasn't top 10 so he doesn't bear any of the burden of proving it so.... For all we know, he's agreeing with Bar and helping to make his point
lol - it wAS SARCASM. Its all SEC teams. I was trying to make a point.
Texas, Bama, UGA, Tenn, osu, Oregon, BYU, Utah, ND, Penn St., Ole Miss, potentially ISU and Clemson as well.
So that would put miami around 14 or 15th
The teams they were supposed to beat, they did convincingly. The two teams they played that had any sort of pulse, they needed miracles, luck and help from the refs to get the W.
Meh, based on what we know right now, I'd say at most 6 of those teams are definitively better than Miami.
SP+ has Miami as #6. On a nuetral site, they'd be a 2 point favorite against ND, 1.5pt underdog to PSU, 4pt favorite against Clemson. 5 pt underdog to Ole Miss, 12pt favorite over BYU, 8pt favorite over ISU...
Also, with Cam Rising out, the spread against Utah is definitely double digits.
Make it at least 7 since we beat them on their own field 🦃
SP+ is analytical, I'm sticking with the eye test and I know what I seen wasn't a top 10 team
Agree Miami isn't a legit top 10 team because they wouldn't be top 10 right now if it was legitimately ruled a catch.
It WAS legitimately ruled a catch; it was the overturning WITHOUT 'INDISPUTABLE evidence that was 'illegitimate.
If Clemson isn't that good, then they shouldn't boat race us in Lane. We shall see.
I think they're smart enough to not want to race boats on grass.
But I could see them pulling away if a few big plays / fluke plays occur.
AI is kinda bizarre
I love that AI gave the ref a gold grill. So on brand for Miami.
I kid you not, I literally came here to write
"AI is so weird"
... it's just so... damn weird.
My first thought on this was; Michael Strahan didn't play for Miami