Alright fellas and Ladies. Tomorrow starts the main dual schedule. Starting with a ACC dual against Pittsburgh at 7 PM. And before that. We got a couple wrestlers going unattached to Pennsylvania. At the university of Franklin & Marshall. The Lehman Open. Seidel Gorman Burton and a couple others. Seidel is the one seed. And he might get two more opportunities to wrestle against top 20 wrestlers at 133. Gorman is the six seed at 141. And Burton is the one seed at 165
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Seidel and Gorman with two easy tech falls to start the tournament
Wrestling is complicated. I understand all the words in your post, but put together, it's gobbledygook.
What do you need help with interpreting? Am sure APrimus and I can lay it flat for you.
We really need to pin this topic down...
A comment like that is just stalling.
I mostly don't understand the team aspect. He mentioned the dual schedule. Are there other things that aren't duals? How do duals and other matches factor into wins/losses? How does one win a championship? How does the team stuff factor into individual rankings and titles? What the heck is wrestling unattached?
lets back it up even further... how in the hell are points scored? are the matches similar to baseball where you have the top half of an inning where one person is on offense and the other is on defense, and then they switch? I'm talking An Idiot's Guide to the Idiot's Guide to Wrestling level of detail.
So there's a bunch of different ways to score. There's the takedown. Which is a 3 point move. Where you take your opponent to the mat and you are in full control. Which means you'll start accumulating riding time. And if you turn your opponent to where if you get your opponents One shoulder/shoulder blade touching the mat, with the other at a 45-degree angle or less. The ref will start counting for Nearfall points. 2 seconds get you 2 points. 3 seconds 3 points. 4 and 5 seconds get you 4 points. And once you get them back into a position where you are not in fall position anymore. And you let go of the hold. The ref will reward you the points. For example. Let's say you are up 3-0 and you turn your opponent into a the nearfall criteria. And you get a full set of nearfall points. You will put them back on their stomach and release your hands. And the ref will give you the 4 points. And you would go up 7-0
Each match starts with 3 Rounds
First Round is 3 minutes and Wrestlers start Neutral which means both are standing.
Second Round is two minutes and a wrestler is given the option to start Down or Neutral. Down is where the wrestler is center of mat with knees and both hands on Mat. Other wrestler takes position over him.
Third Round is two minutes and the other Wrestler is given the Down or Neutral option.
If match is tied after 3 rounds they move to Sudden Victory which is two minutes and wrestlers start neutral. If a wrestler scores during this time the match is over. If its still tied, they move to two Ride Out sessions of 30 seconds each.
Ride Outs are treated like Round 2/3 where each wrestler can opt down or neutral. The scoring here gets tricky. If its tied after Ride Outs, the winner is the wrestler with positive riding time.
Riding time is how long the wrestler remains in the top position/control of wrestler in down position. If at end of three rounds a wrestler has over a minute of Riding Time they receive 1 point.
There are 3 points for a takedown.
There is 1 point for an escape which is to get out of the control of the other wrestler after a takedown.
It can be 2 points if its a reversal. A reversal is where you escape and gain control of the other wrestler in a single move.
Back points was covered by APrimus above.
There are also points for stalling. Stalling is when a wrestler avoids aggressive action, fails to initiate offense, or prevents the match from progressing but its very subjective to officials view. They get one warning. Then its one point for next and rises a point each subsequent stall call. A 5th stall amounts to a disqualification.
The 2 points for a reversal is outrageous and I will die on that hill. It should be a minimum of 3 and I would argue 4, it punishes a wrestler for being awesome, really they should reward them with an extra point and make it 5!
I agree. Minimum should be 3. Such a hard thing to do makes 4 make sense.
Wrestling unattached means you not Wrestling for your team. You are Wrestling as a individual. These tournaments are a good way to get the youngins match ready. Or to keep the backups match ready.
Duals are where one school wrestles another.
Unattached means yet are representing the school individually, outside of the dual.
So everything that counts towards a team record and eventually championship is a dual? For some reason I remember other types of matches, but maybe I made it up.
No. The ncaa tournament is a tournament. There is no Dual National championship
Dual meets really only matter in the ACC schedule for the ACC Championship and for Team Ranking purposes.
There was for the first time this year a National Duals Tournament where winning out got NIL bonuses for the team.
The National Championship though comes down to your individual wrestlers wrestling through weight classes more in a Tournament style. Each weight class has a National Champion. The team championship is based on a scoring of all the teams individual matches.
For scoring an individual match you have Five unique finishes.
Decision = 3 points. This is a match won by 7 or fewer points
Major Decision = 4 points. This is a match won by 8 points to 14 points.
Tech Fall = 5 points. This is a match won at any point a wrestler gets a 15 point lead.
Fall (Pin) = 6 points. This is a match won when a wrestler puts both opponents shoulders (much larger area than just shoulders) on the mat for a set period of time.
Forfeit/Medical Forfeit = 6 points. Wrestler fails to wrestle.
bookmarking this summary. Well done in a very simple way
Based on the promo video that Tech put out for the Pitt dual it will be Gaj, Miller, and Church at 149-165. I'm most surprised that Burton isn't at the ACC duals. Looks like they are still seriously considering redshirting him.
Seidel Gorman Burton Weader all in the the quarterfinals
Seidel is a Tech fall merchant. And I love it
Seidel with a 18-1 Tech fall. And he is into the semi finals
Gorman tech falls Collins of army and advances to the semi finals
Burton and Weader are both into the semi finals.
And Seidel destroys Ncaa Qualifyer Max Gallagher. 16-1 Tech fall
Drew Gorman with a 5-4 win over the 2 seed and is into the finals
Burton Into the finals with a 17-3 Major Decision
Seidel's 5 matches: ALL 1st round Tech Falls 17-1, 20-3, 19-4, 18-1, 16-1
Seidel wins the 133 pound championship with a 15-0 TF!
Will the dual vs Pitt be broadcast?
Yes. Should be ACCNX
Gorman loses 3-1 to number nine in the country. He finishes runner up.
Ryan Burton wins 7-6. He is your 165 pound champion!
And our VT starter @ 133 moving forward is.....
Idk. I think Seidel will get his five dates to be used before we officially know. And maybe another unattached tournament. Like the Edinboro open or the Purple Raider Open
If Seidel gets the start for an ACC Dual I think that's the sign. I hope they let him rip for the OK State dual, especially if Jax Forrest gets the nod.
He probably gets NC State. Unc. And Oklahoma state
Seidel is going to need some extra conditioning work to make up for how short his matches were. Reminds me of how short most of BAs matches were against unranked opponents.
Eddie V with the 19-4 tech fall. 5-0 hokies
Campbell up now at 133 on ESPN+ ACCN
Campbell up 4-0 after escape and takedown in 2nd
Campbell on top for 3rd
Campbell over a minute of ride time. 40 seconds left
Escape makes it 4-1
Campbell gets stall warning but wins 5-1
DC wins 5-1. Hokies up 8-0
Crook up at 141
Crook takedown
3-0 crook starts down in second
Crook escape 4-0
Crook takedown 7-0. Beautiful ankle pick
Crook on top in 3rd
Crook over 1 min ride time
Santaniello stall warning
Crook wins by Maj 8-0 after riding 3rd
Big 8-0 Major by Crook. 12-0 hokies
Gaj up at 149
Gaj gets takedown in final seconds of 1st. 3-0. Starts down in 2nd
Escape 4-0
Gives up takedown but escape in final seconds 5-3
Neutral in 3rd
Gaj gets stall warning
Gaj wins 5-4 after Stall called
Hokies 15-0
Any update on Weader at Lehman Open?
He finshed 3rd
Gaj wins 5-4. Hokies up 15-0
Miller up at 157
Scoreless after 1st
Miller escape in 2nd
Miller double leg takedown. 4-0
Escape 4-1
Bloodtime for Miller. Scratch on face
4-1 after 2nd
Miller on top in 3rd
Escape 4-2
Miller wins 4-2
Hokies 18-0
Miller wins 4-2. Hokies up 18-0
Church gives up early takedown but quick escape 3-1
Church on top in 2nd
Escape 4-1
Church down to start 3rd
Escape 4-2
Loses 4-2
Hokies 18-3
Chruch loses 4-2. 18-3 hokies
Desiante up at 174
Scoreless after 1st
Desiante escape to start 2nd
Both wrestlers get Stall warning
Pitt down in 3rd
Escape 1-1
Pitt headgear breaks
Going to SV
Desiante went hard but headed to rideouts
Desiante gets ridden first rideout
Loses 2-1 in rideouts
Hokies 18-6
Sergio loses 2-1 in tiebreaker. 18-6 hokies
Bullock up at 184
Gives up takedown but escapes
3-1
Official review
Somehow Bullock gets hit with illegal hold
Trails 4-1
Kranitz getting away with stalls
Bullock had takedown but clock expired
4-2 after his escape in 2nd
Bullock gives up another takedown
7-3 now
Bullock bloodtime
Bullock trails 7-3 on top in 3rd
Escape 8-3
Takedown escape 9-6
Stall warning on Pitt
Loses 9-6. Hokies 18-9
Gage Wright save us
Sasso up at 197
Sasso gives up takedown 3-0
Escape 3-1
Going to 2nd 3-1. Sasso on top
Escape 4-1
Another takedown 7-1
Stout has over 1 minute ride time
7-2 escape
Sasso down in 3rd
Escape 7-3
Takedown makes it 10-3
Escape 10-4
Loses 11-4
18-12 now
Mullen has to avoid pin
Scoreless after 1st
Scoreless after two
Mullen on top
Escape trails 1-0
Pitzer gets away with blatant stalling
Was just running away for last 40 seconds. At least three stalls not called.
Mullen loses 1-0
Hokies win 18-15
We really need a new Heavyweight coach.
That was terrible strategy. That is not Mullens style. Coaches told him to avoid pin
They just need a new upper weight coach period. We haven't had good 84/97/HWT in awhile. I think Sasso and Mullen have all the potential to be AAs. But Haught is ruining it
Bullock has looked lost all season. Going to cost us a dual at some point. Hard to understand how Robie let's that back half be such an anchor
That's why I hope Gage Wright comes back. He needs to take one of the spots. Either 74 or 84
Back half didn't look great short of desiante. Assuming they're pushing all the chips in on next season, who's taking over those spots?
Bassett wrestles Henschel today at the Battle at the Beach. 8pm on FOX Nation
Bo Tech Falls Henschel 14-4
Pulled from Twitter
In other wrestling news: A.J. Ferrari was pulled over for speeding but then arrested for an outstanding warrant in Texas for Evading Arrest
Just living up to his name, can't really expect him to drive slow 💁
not beating the dickhead allegations
He and his mullet have quite the track record
And other wrestling news Penn State won its record setting 78th straight dual by beating #16 Rutgers 46-0
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