(I've been busy recently and haven't been able to keep up with TKP, so apologies if this was posted already. I don't see it in the tracker though.)
Cardinals blog has a nice update and video interview of Logan HERE
Seems like he is adjusting well and making some statements about what he can do. He still has a ways ahead of himself before starting on Sundays but it's nice to read these things:
Although caught might not quite be the right word, because the ball arrived with such force it almost seemed like it was going to stick in Oziers abdomen regardless.
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If he can put all his physical tools together, Logan has a good chance of making the 53 men roster.
He's got the physical gifts, the challenge for him is learning how to be an NFL QB. As Arians said, just basics like not predetermining where to pass, learning fundamentals. Knowing when to not drill the receiver on routes, developing touch & accuracy, etc. He has a lot of things to work on, and he will have plenty of time to do so.
Is there a chance of him not making the 53 man roster? I thought they signed him to a deal.
I don't think a deal guarantees you a spot, just money. Case in point I thought Danny Coale had a deal with the cowboys but was relegated to the practice squad after breaking his foot.
Sure there's a chance. Everyone gets signed to a contract before they can practice. Nobody gets guaranteed contracts in the NFL, so it is possible he could still get cut. Very unlikely, though. If he were a 6-7th round pick, it was be more likely. They'll keep him even if they don't plan to play him this season. It's just not guaranteed. Very very probable, though.
IIRC he's gotta make the 3rd spot.
If they don't get him on the final, I bet he's on the scout squad. They're not letting him get away.
I kind of disagree that its nice to hear that about Logan. That was one of my biggest complaints that I had with him while he was here. 5 yard pass to a wide open receiver, or a 30 yard bomb to a guy in a full sprint alongside a DB, or trying to feed it into a tight hole in the secondary (giggidy), it didn't matter, he always muscled up and gunned the ball with everything he had. This caused many of his inaccuracy issues and caused dropped balls (because its not easy catching a full bore cannonball with your bare hands) that otherwise should have been caught.
I like the fact he CAN gun it, but what I REALLY want to see from him (and if I read it, I'll know he's ready for the NFL) is an understanding of WHEN he needs to gun it. When he develops that touch on his throw where every pass isn't delivered with the overwhelming crushing power of the Hammer of Thor, and that he's leading guys with the easy throws, that's when I know he'll be ready. I know he's got it in him, I just hope the Cardinals coaching staff gets it out of him.
THE HAMMER OF THOR. That could be Logan new nick name in the NFL.
Idk, I cant imagine calling LT3 "Mjolnir"
Call him Master Chief, then.
I think the point was that he was hitting his receiver and not overthrowing or under throwing the ball. That's what's nice to hear.
In regards to his accuracy and gunning the ball, I think his mechanics, footwork, throwing on his back foot and inability to move fluidly through his progression was the biggest issue with his accuracy. Not gunning the ball.
In regards to gunning it and dropped balls, well, I played WR and dropped balls were not forgivable because someone threw the ball hard. I've never met a WR coach that would say to his receivers "hey, that ball that just hit you square in the hands and you dropped? not your fault. That Qb is throwing too hard."
Now, you don't need to throw everything full speed and having "touch" is something Logan definitely needs to learn but at the same time if your job is to catch balls then you best know how to catch anything at any speed.
There have been countless QBs that entered the NFL and were informed as rookies they were throwing the ball too hard on some plays. The NFL coaches understand that while many coaches at lower levels get too wrapped up in the testosterone factor. Even coaches at college level understand there are times to 'lay the ball in there', depending on the situation. We hear it all the time during telecasts. Just because Logan CAN throw a hard pass, doesn't mean he always SHOULD.
yeah, I never said that. I completely agree the Logan needs to take some off his throws and just because he can doesn't mean he should. What I said was that receivers are not given a pass with dropped balls when a QB is throwing hard. That's true to every WR coach I've ever spoken to in high school and college as well as the one NFL WR coach that I heard answer the question, Larry Kirksey. He spoke at the football camp that I was at to the receivers and his message was clear: It's your responsibility to catch the ball. No matter the speed.
that's paraphrased from memory but I would say that it's probably word for word.
One of the biggest complaints about Mike Vick in Atlanta is that he threw the ball too hard, which caused drops from the receivers. Sure, the WR coaches might not publicly say the WRs are given a pass when the ball has heat on it, and they might not even say it behind closed doors, but I remember numerous stories about the issues his passes were causing his receivers, with quotes from these same receivers after Vick was jailed and they brought in Matt Ryan, as a contrast to the two different styles of play, and how it was easier to catch the ball with Ryan throwing the ball, even when Vick was hitting them in the numbers.
Yep I remember those too. Again I'm not arguing that Logan should be throwing full cannon on every throw. What I'm saying is no matter where and how hard he is throwing WRs are not forgiven for dropping those balls. Just doesn't happen. I'm sure the Falcon WRs were happy with a touch passer though over Vick, no argument there, but they still should have caught those balls.
Of course, as Patches O'Hooligan says, if you follow the 5 Ds of Dodgeball, "no amount of balls on earth can hit you."
PATCHES: Any questions?
LeFleur: Yeah uh Pat. Are you sure this is absolutely necessary?
Patches: Necessary? Is it absolutely necessary that I drink my own urine?
LeFleur: Probably not.
Patches: No. But I do it anyways cause its sterile and I likes the taste.
That's equivalent to a coach saying if you run the play the right way we'll score every time. Certainly, the objective thought to put in the receiver's mind is 'If I can touch the ball, I can catch the ball'. That does not equate to coaches speaking in terms of realistic appraisal, though. Motivational goals given by coaches to players shouldn't be confused with realistic assessments by those coaches of player performance. We can banter on this forever, but as Alum already posted - it was said multiple times about MV throwing passes too hard when he first came in the league. As I also said above, many strong-armed QBs have been told to dial it back in the NFL. Being a fan of Logan doesn't mean one can't agree he needs to improve his touch on the ball. Have a good day.
You're still focused on the point I'm not arguing. I've said Logan needs to take some off his throws when he can.
I'm not sure who you've spoken to but I would say it certainly was different with all the coaches I've had and spoke to. When you are reviewing game film and a ball hits you in the hands and you drop it, do you think your WR coach or Head Coach is going to say that the ball was uncatchable because it was thrown too hard? In a realistic appraisal that never happens.
This ^^^^ x100...
Have you ever heard an NFL receiver complain to a coach that the QB throws too hard? Ever? That's like saying you missed a tackle because a guy ran too hard. QB's throw it hard and NFL receivers catch it. The job is to catch the ball.
Did people ever say Brett Favre threw too hard when his guys dropped his bullets? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning throw the ball REALLY hard in the flat and underneath before the even turn for the ball, but you don't see Wes Welker, et al dropping them with much frequency.
You didn't see Danny Coale dropping balls left and right from LT. The problem wasn't that LT threw it too hard. The problem was the receivers didn't catch it. You think the receivers were doing the tennis ball drill last year because LTs passes were uncatchable and they couldn't get better?
Actually, yes.... quite often. It's been said about numerous QBs and there are numerous stories of even the best and most sure handed WRs telling the QBs to lay off with the heat when its a simple screen where there aren't any defenders around.
complaining about a QB throwing a ball too hard and the ball being uncatchable are vastly different though. sure, every WR wants their QB to give them the ball perfectly or at least make it as catchable as possible. None of that means they shouldn't actually catch the ball if it's not.
Yup. Favre used to put way more zip on the ball way more often than what I saw from Logan while he was at Tech. I believe it was Antonio Freeman that once lamented that he can no longer wear his Super Bowl ring because all of his fingers have been dislocated so many times. Didn't seem too upset about it, though.
Edit: I found the interview
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/22005
Great find. This sums it up perfectly. +1
What was the old quote from Elway on his velocity. Something along the lines of "It's my job to throw it, it's their job to catch it" That guy didn't accept any drops from his receivers, even on a 5 yard fastball.
I believe that was Peyton Manning who said that:
Wasn't this from the LOLUVA spring game?
I like to think that's an apt description of Peyton Manning playing catch with UVA's graduating seniors a couple weeks ago.
Let's just get the tight end jokes out of the way early in this thread
Why so much focus on Logans inaccuracy? He said himself hes not inaccurate but he used to put himself in difficult position to be accurate. Theres a big difference.
Decided to rewatch last years Miami game while I'm working, needed a little #punterswag on my Monday.
Sportscaster mentioned she interviewed Thomas, talked about his football IQ.
Loeffler asked him to diagram some plays on the board, when Loeffler got to VT and Thomas could not do it.
Thomas hadn't been coached, until last year.
I'm gonna miss watching Gayle.
I'm going to look forward to watching Sam Rogers for the next few years.
We've got to find a way to get him some All-ACC 1st or 2nd team recognitions and whatnot to up his draft stock.
While I certainly hopethat happens, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Rogers be an undrafted free agent but end up being a wrecking machine for a fortunate team.
Kuhn?
I have to ask, who was the #1 QB drafted out of the ACC this year?
Logan Thomas was.
Logan Thomas.
I'm just hoping Logan develops into a great QB, and quickly. I wish him all the best in Arizona, but they're going to need a top-notch offense. Especially with a pro-bowl linebacker who can't seem to lay off the weed.
I'm just glad he lost the chin hair beard thing he was sporting last year.