Our 2013 class is one of the better ones we have had in a while, but powerhouse I think not. We are known for taking underrated recruits and getting the most out of them.
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We have always been sub par on recruiting, Clemson and FSU typically have highly ranked recruiting classes that under perform and we tend to get the "diamonds in the rough" so we can coach them up to beat them.
Unfortunately thats not the case this year.
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VT should be able to recruit better, look at the roster of the Oregon and Oregon St and how few of the players are actually from the state of Oregon. There is no reason VT can't lock down the state of VA and get out of state guys as well.
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the big game but i think it's more likely the fact that we're in stiffer competition on this side of the country. we'd smack dab in between big 10 and sec country. we're recruiting against the likes of ohio state, michigan, notre dame, alabama, the florida schools ... the list keeps going
usc absolutely owns the west coast (one reason why their recruiting is ALWAYS so good). the next best programs out there right now are stanford and oregon. couple that with the less stringent academic requirements (comparing oregon to stanford), you can see why
great virginia football players have MANY great options within a 12 hr drive ... not the case for the west coast boys
another reason oregon and oregon state get a lot of their players from outside oregon?? because oregon is not a high school football recruiting hotbed like virginia is...vt doesn't HAVE to go out of state as much as oregon does. we do recruit in the carolinas, georgia, a little bit of florida, a little bit of pennsylvania (we should concentrate more efforts in PA) but the odds of us getting those kids are small usually. we get some here and there but we're not going to go steal 5* kids out of florida, texas, alabama, louisiana every day
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The fact that we have stiffer competition makes those big games losses matter more. In order for us to steal away the talent from those traditional powerhouses you mentioned, the recruits have to feel that they're are going to a comparable program that will put them in the national spotlight (in a successful manner, not getting blown out in the orange bowl or losing the sugar bowl because of the dumbest fake punt ever). Don't want to be too negative but it's the way it is. If I was a recruit with VT on my radar but getting offers from those others, I would probably choose the others over VT too (not factoring in playing time, distance, redshirt, etc) because VT just hasn't shown me that they will put me in a position to go on the field knowing I have a shot to win every game. We get mid level talent because we get mid level wins.
To the contrary, I guess one could argue that it's a classic catch 22. We lose the big games because we don't have the talent to compete, and we can't get the talent to compete because we lose the big games. However, I feel our talent level is good enough to compete, not as good as the big 10 and sec powerhouses we compete with for recruiting, but good enough to compete. The x's and o's side is usually where we fail, especially on the offensive side.
And just to be clear, the "I would probably choose the others over VT" comment was an objective statement being made as if I was a recruit. As a Hokie alum/die-hard-fan, I would never choose anything over VT.
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when were we a recruiting powerhouse?
That's what I'm wondering.
Nice
The first thing that popped onto my head BCH!
Our 2013 class is one of the better ones we have had in a while, but powerhouse I think not. We are known for taking underrated recruits and getting the most out of them.
We have always been sub par on recruiting, Clemson and FSU typically have highly ranked recruiting classes that under perform and we tend to get the "diamonds in the rough" so we can coach them up to beat them.
Unfortunately thats not the case this year.
Uh, what?
There are words here, but I do not comprehend.
VT should be able to recruit better, look at the roster of the Oregon and Oregon St and how few of the players are actually from the state of Oregon. There is no reason VT can't lock down the state of VA and get out of state guys as well.
"we should be able to recruit better" but it won't happen until we actually win those big games.
Nope
Oregon has more flashy uniforms. We can't compete.
winning
the big game but i think it's more likely the fact that we're in stiffer competition on this side of the country. we'd smack dab in between big 10 and sec country. we're recruiting against the likes of ohio state, michigan, notre dame, alabama, the florida schools ... the list keeps going
usc absolutely owns the west coast (one reason why their recruiting is ALWAYS so good). the next best programs out there right now are stanford and oregon. couple that with the less stringent academic requirements (comparing oregon to stanford), you can see why
great virginia football players have MANY great options within a 12 hr drive ... not the case for the west coast boys
another reason oregon and oregon state get a lot of their players from outside oregon?? because oregon is not a high school football recruiting hotbed like virginia is...vt doesn't HAVE to go out of state as much as oregon does. we do recruit in the carolinas, georgia, a little bit of florida, a little bit of pennsylvania (we should concentrate more efforts in PA) but the odds of us getting those kids are small usually. we get some here and there but we're not going to go steal 5* kids out of florida, texas, alabama, louisiana every day
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The fact that we have stiffer competition makes those big games losses matter more. In order for us to steal away the talent from those traditional powerhouses you mentioned, the recruits have to feel that they're are going to a comparable program that will put them in the national spotlight (in a successful manner, not getting blown out in the orange bowl or losing the sugar bowl because of the dumbest fake punt ever). Don't want to be too negative but it's the way it is. If I was a recruit with VT on my radar but getting offers from those others, I would probably choose the others over VT too (not factoring in playing time, distance, redshirt, etc) because VT just hasn't shown me that they will put me in a position to go on the field knowing I have a shot to win every game. We get mid level talent because we get mid level wins.
To the contrary, I guess one could argue that it's a classic catch 22. We lose the big games because we don't have the talent to compete, and we can't get the talent to compete because we lose the big games. However, I feel our talent level is good enough to compete, not as good as the big 10 and sec powerhouses we compete with for recruiting, but good enough to compete. The x's and o's side is usually where we fail, especially on the offensive side.
And just to be clear, the "I would probably choose the others over VT" comment was an objective statement being made as if I was a recruit. As a Hokie alum/die-hard-fan, I would never choose anything over VT.