The Saints are holding a golf tournament today and Shayne is flying the flag.
Shayne Graham supporting @VT_Football at the #Saints Hall of Fame Golf Tournament pic.twitter.com/FrRLd9acEv— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) May 18, 2015
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I want those socks...
Speaking of which, I would totally buy some sassy maroon and orange TKP socks.
Wearing these at my wedding in two weeks. https://gonerogueapparel.com/apparel-products.php?url=virginia-tech-hoki...
Congratulations, sir. That's awesome. Oh, and the wedding too, I guess.
My condolences, but nice socks!
Swag off the charts.
Missed the mark by not going full O & M shoes, but its a solid B+
By that logic:
I'm sitting here at my desk trying SO hard not to lose it!!!
ok... so which of these are the two positives? Butt chin and father's lightsaber, maybe...
He gets one point for finding the right planet and one point for being a "legacy" applicant.
Where has this been all my life?
When I was 9 yrs old I knew that Luke was TOTALLY not Jedi material... Midichlorian count notwithstanding. I just didn't have the forum to further explore the issue in.
Seriously, he held his own pretty well against his old man in ESB while not having completed his training, and absolutely demolished him in ROTJ. That said, after Yoda and Sidious/Palpentine, Starkiller is the most powerful Jedi/Sith followed by Anakin/Vader-Luke tied for fourth.
The Force is strong with this one
FWIW, Obi DID beat Anakin, so, you might have to put him above Luke. Also, Samuel L Jackson needs to be in contention. He almost beat Sidious and....he's Samuel L Jackson
Thought he was Lawrence Fishburne
Also, while true, Anakin/Vader did end up beating him in Episode 4.
I dunno. That looked a whole lot like Obi Wan intentionally allowing Luke to witness Vader killing him, to give Luke a nudge.
Obi wasn't struck down. He gave himself to the force. He wasn't killed by Vader, and Vader didn't beat him. If you notice, Vader even stops to pick up his robes as if to say "Where did he go?"
And the glance Obi Wan gives Luke right before he allows it to happen makes his intention pretty clear.
Look, I'm willing to grant that Anakin/Vader's anger off-set him vs Obi in Ep 3. But even then that fight could've gone the other way. I'm even willing to acknowledge that by striking Obi down he (Obi) had become "more powerful than you could ever imagine." By the time they met up again in Ep 4 Vader's power with the force and saber dueling skills had clearly increased and surpassed that of an older and weaker Obi.
This brings up a funny point. Watching the final duel of RotS makes the Vader/Obi Wan duel in ANH...underwhelming.
I get that Lucas invested a lot more choreography and training to the lightsaber duels in the prequel trilogy, but one unintended consequence is bringing a while new level of significance to the line, "Your powers are weak, old man."
Yeah, that's just the difference of the times. It's funny to watch the prequels and the dance of the swordplay in those, versus any lightsaber battle in the originals, which seems akin to children dueling with fake swords.
I remember reading that Lucas originally intended for lightsabers to be very heavy objects, and therefore difficult to wield. Like a two handed longsword. But as it turned out, that didn't make for very exciting lightsaber duels, so we ended up with something that is more akin to a rapier/sabre hybrid in the later films, especially the prequels.
Which makes more sense, considering, you know... LIGHTsaber. The hilt would be the only weight.
Also, the Luke/Vader duels were cool even with the "heavier" style. That Obi Wan/Vader duel though...
In the prequels I only liked the duels from Ep 1 because it looked like they were legitimately trying to hurt or injure the opponent (like Ep 4-6). In Eps 2 & 3 there was too much dancing that it didn't even look like they were trying to hit the other person.
Consider Obi Wan's Soresu style isn't going to look like he's actually trying to kill anyone, and Anakin's style is obviously going to look like his master's. General Grievous was swinging to kill against Obi Wan.
Also, Anakin managed to defeat Dooku/Tyranus, a dude that was his former master Qui Gon's master. Obi had his arse handed to him twice and Anakin saved him in Ep 3.
Mace Windu DID beat Sidious, but for Anakin's whining drawing the attention away from Sidious, Mace strikes him down completely.
Yeah, that AND the fact that Anakin dismembered his arm. FTFY
Also, Windu struggled to disarm Sidious. Technically he didn't outright defeat him.
It's possible it was a ploy on Sidious' behalf to get Anakin to turn to the dark side, but as Sidious was on the ground and using the lightning, it obviously warped him into something else, and Mace was ready to end him calling him too dangerous.
Yep. Then there'd have been no Eps 4-6 and we'd have been left with 2 below mediocre films and one slightly above mediocre film. But while we're on the topic you should go check out EvanNova95's channel on YouTube about epic light saber duel match ups. Analysis and in-depth commentary is provided. Very insightful. But in the end it's all irrelevant because Starkiller is the most powerful after Yoda and Palpentine/Sidious tied.
That's another thing about the prequels that bothered me. Windu was, for all intents and purposes, a complete doucheturd to Anakin out of all the council.
Mace probably came from one of those families who had a long line of Jedi in their history, and didn't like the idea of some new kid coming in and skirting the rules of his beloved Jedi Order.
Kind of like a Hoo when a Hokie shows him/her up.
Exactly.
really? I always saw Mace as the only sane dude in the council. He sees Anakin for the punk-bitch that he is when everyone else is bowing to the stupid prophecy.
Kind of like a Hokie at Hoo party where they are discussing football and the Hokie is the only one in the room that actually knows anything about football.
The prophecy came true (albeit many years later) when he tossed Sidious down the reactor of the second Death Star in ROTJ.
Not saying it didn't come true, just that having a "prophecy" was incredibly stupid
We really should have all known after RotJ that George was scraping the bottom of his creative barrel. A second Death Star and half-sized wookies called Ewoks. We all honestly should have known what we were in for with the prequels.
Yoda did justify his leadership in the Battle of Kashyyyk during the Clone Wars by saying "Good relations with Wookies I have."
so...you're saying that Yoda+wookie=ewok? Would that count as jungle fever for master yoda?
Just...ewww.
Every scene in the prequels of the Jedi Council droning about the prophesy had me screaming at them, "You idiots! The prophesy says he will bring BALANCE to the Force! Your side of the force is WAY AHEAD right now! Balance is BAD FOR YOU!!!"
I swear it's like a baseball team winning a blowout super excited about putting in a crappy pitcher since he's going to make it a close game.
Vader wasn't trying to beat Luke in either movie. He was trying to turn him to the Dark Side and Luke was only able to "demolish" Vader when he briefly gave in to his emotions when Vader threatened to go after Leia.
Everyone knows that Wedge Antilles is the real hero of Episodes IV-VI anyway. In IV, he absorbs the damage from Vader that allows Luke to drop his torpedoes into the Death Star's exhaust port. In V, while Luke is getting his gunner killed and his snow speeder is being shot down, Wedge is successfully bringing down AT-ATs and providing cover for evacuating troops. In VI, while Luke is being saved by daddy, Wedge is navigating the narrow tunnels and conduits into the Death Star, successfully knocking out the reactor's power regulator, and then escaping the resulting explosion.
I'm always #ProWedge (wait-did that sound right?)! However, there are two minute holes in your point. Instead of sacrificing himself or doubling around to shake off the TIEs he pulled out, thus being demoted in ESB. But he regained it in ESB sans the AT-AT.
Also, quotes like "He will join us or he will die", "Don't make me destroy you", "It is unwise for you to lower your defenses" as well as force tossing you light saber at your son with intent to maim or kill would suggest otherwise. That and the whole "there can never be more than two Sith" thing kinda puts it at an "every dark Jedi for themselves."
Two counter points to this, Wedge says specifically that he can't stay with Luke and Luke told him to get clear because he couldn't do anymore good; so essentially Wedge's engines were likely damaged to the point that he couldn't maintain the same speed that Luke and the TIEs were traveling at, so he wouldn't be able to catch up with them again if he doubled back. Secondly, he had been ordered to get clear of the engagement by Luke.
To the first two: Hence the Emperor electrocuting him when he didn't join. The second quote actually goes to my point, I think.
To the other quote: Vader essentially called Luke's bluff, but my point wasn't that Vader and the Emperor weren't willing to kill Luke, just that it wasn't their preferred outcome.
Saber Toss: And yet he missed
I'm not sure if this is still in the official continuity or was shifted into the Legends continuity, at least part of it comes from the Ep. I novelization though: The rule of two was instituted by Darth Bane after he engineered the death of the other Sith Lords (and several Jedi in the process) to help bring about the defeat of the Jedi and Sith control of the galaxy. The reason for only having a Master and an Apprentice was to ensure that the Sith grew stronger. Before a coalition of weaker Sith would be able to join together to defeat a more powerful Sith Lord. With the Rule of Two in place, the Apprentice wouldn't become the Master and take their own Apprentice until they had learned enough from their Master and their own studies that they were able to defeat and kill their master. With the execution of Order 66 and Palpatine's assention to Emperor, the purpose of the Rule of Two had been fulfilled.
In case you can't tell, from both the way too long rebuttal and my username, I know way too much about Star Wars.
First, let me point out that I respect your vast knowledge of the cannon (as well as your name). But Wedge still bugged out, and typical military orders are to stay in the fight and sacrifice yourself for your fellow pilots regardless of position of your fighter. After that he got demoted. But, as previously stated, he regained his promotion in ESB as well as rightfully being promoted to Red and Rogue leader by the time of ROTJ. He could've sacrificed himself to buy a little time.
Second, just because Vader missed slicing Luke doesn't mean he was trying to miss. I do not deny that there was conflict. Even Luke called him on that. But he was still "mostly twisted and evil" as well as Sidious' pawn. Also, he wasn't trying to miss Luke in ESB with the telekinesis in ESB and Luke even managed to dodge a few of those. "Indeed he had become powerful as the Emperor had foretold." Powerful and experienced enough in the force and light saber duel to defeat Vader/Anakin.
One more point from Episode IV: when Luke had a TIE on his tail and couldn't shake it, Wedge was the one who shot it off of him, so another point towards Wedge since Luke wouldn't have even made it into the Trench without Wedge.
As far as I know, Wedge wasn't ever demoted for his actions in the Battle of Yavin, the only demotion I was able to find is that he apparently engineered his own demotion to captain after the Battle of Endor (along with repeatedly refusing promotions throughout his career) so that he could remain in command of a fighter squadron rather than being moved into Naval Command.
I don't think that Vader was necessarily trying to miss Luke with the saber throw, but I don't think he was putting his full effort into making sure that the throw hit Luke either.
During the Battle of Yavin Wedge was Red 2 and Biggs was Red 3. After pulling out he was demoted to Red/Rogue 3. During the Battle of Hoth, as has been pointed out, he skillfully downed an AT-AT while also providing cover for Rebs evac. Hence he was promoted again back to Rogue/Red 2 or straight to Red/Rogue leader (don't remember which).
Those aren't ranks, just call signs. The don't really reflect anything other than what flight a pilot is in and who their wingman is. Rogue 1's Wingman is normally Rogue 2 and they're in the first flight with 3 & 4. In my favorite Star Wars Novel series, Wedge is in command of Rogue Squadron and prefers to have a less experience pilot on his wing so that he can look after them more closely in combat when the squadron is split up into smaller units.
The X-Wing series are by far the best Star Wars universe novels out there.
I haven't ever gotten around to reading Mercy Kill, since it came out over a decade after Starfighters of Adumar. I'd like to read it sometime, since it brings you up to date on at least some of the Wraith's, but I haven't read anything else from the Fate of the Jedi story arc. Most of what I have read is in the time period that takes place before the New Jedi Order story arc.
Which are your favorite books, mine would probably be either The Bacta War or Wraith Squadron. Wraith Squadron was the first Star Wars novel I read; I was borrowing it from my Aunt's ex-husband he couldn't find the first book of the series, so he started me on that mini-Arc.
Hmm, The Bacta War and Wraith Squardron were both really good (as were all the books in the series) but my favorite may just have to be Rogue Squadron, since it was the first and it was the one that got me hooked.
Now I'm going to have to go back and re-read them all though.
EDIT: Read the first one, a third of the way through the second. I'm a quick reader.
Bacta, Wraith and Rogue. But back to the discussion, you have to agree that in the Battle of Yavin, Wedge had a higher ranking than Luke. Then Luke surpassed him by nuking the DS. I think Wedge was demoted or relegated back to Red/Rogue 3. In a natural succession, wouldn't Red/Rogue 2 become squadron leader over Red/Rogue 3 (battle of Yavin notwithstanding). Face it, Wedge kinda flaked out in almost more than one instance in that battle.
Sure Luke passed him, but that doesn't equal Wedge being demoted.
The only flake out I can think of was the "Look at the size of that thing!" (That's what she said) outburst when they were approaching the Death Star.
Despite Wedge being more experienced than Luke, Garven Dreis (Red Leader) and the rest of the commanders on Yavin recognied Luke's raw talent to the point that they not only let him join red squadron right after arriving on Yavin, but also apparently placed him in command of a flight prior to the battle of Yavin as he is leading the surviving members of red squadron after Dreis is killed. There is real world precedent for squadron commanders putting lower ranking, but more skilled pilots in command of flights as well. I might be mixing up Dogfights episodes, but I believe Robin Olds did this with the fighters under his command in the Veitnam War.
Also I am very much enjoying this discussion and cannot wait for December.
I have mixed feelings about it, since I had gotten so invested into the EU (now Legends) continuity that's now considered an alternate universe. The previews so far have been really good and for the most part I've liked the way that Abrams has handled the new Star Trek movies, but I can't help but wish they weren't shifting 20+ years worth of books, comics, video games, etc. into an alternate universe and could find a way to fit the new movies into the existing continuity instead.
It should be pointed out that it does not have: A) Hayden Christiansen, B) Natalie Portman's dull and characterless "acting" or B) Jar-Jar Binks.
A) I think every movie is better without Hayden Christiansen
B1) do you think i have a shot with her?
In response to B) you're a Hokie aren't you? Hells yeah! Plus she seems to be a fairly liberal person. Go ahead. Plow that Portman like there's no tomorrow.
B) I bet Jar-Jar loosens up a bit after a could drinks, so sure.
They could find a way to fit that universe into theirs, the problem being that they'd have to pay everyone for using it. Much easier and better financially to wipe the slate clean and say the universe you create is the only lore/canon that counts. Then new authors have to come to you and you get a piece of the money pie for their works.
I concur with all of your points, but why did Luke have to come off so whiny most of the time??
There's no crying in the Jedi Arts.
(Edit: I'm totally down for a TEAM WEDGE movement.)
and now we understand why Lucas cast the two most whiny actors he could find to play Luke's father. Being a whiny bitch seems to be a genetics thing.
James Earl Jones and his onion sized brass balls (just guessing) are not whiny.
I'm not a starwars geek by any stretch of the imagination, but I imagine he's referring to the last 3 movies with Pre-Vader Anakins
stay on target. stay on target..... BINGO
Vader was not Luke's father, Anakin was.
What a bunch of Nerfherders!
If you had any knowledge whatsoever and spoke droid you would know that R2-D2 is both the most badass and funny character in the whole Star Wars Universe!
Beep boop boop *whistle* boop beep
R2-D2 doesn't even take that title for a droid:
Real talk: The fact that there will never be a KOTOR 3 is one of the greatest tragedies in video game history. SW:TOR is a joke.
In the first game I had a tendency to take HK-47 and Jolee Bindo with me almost everywhere just for the humorous additions to the game's dialog.
I always thought Lucas cast way too old for Luke for this very reason. Luke's motivations and behavior with much better for, say, a 14-15 year old than an 18 year old.
wondered why there were so many comments on a thread about golf pants. Answer: star wars
I own that shirt - solid! But, I need those knickers and socks for my next golf outing! LOL
Needs this to finish it off.
How sweet would a Buzz sweater look with that ensemble?
Is he still pounding it through the uprights for the Saints?
released this afternoon.
That makes 15 NFL teams in 14 years
Has anyone played with more organizations?
Jeff Feagles maybe?
It takes a real man to wear a getup like that and still have that kind of grin on his face...
Unfortunately, Graham was just released by the Saints. Just got the ESPN alert on my phone.
wow... he must have shot a terrible round of golf...
That, or they really did not like those socks.
Probably they were upset at having to pay him league minimums for a 10+ year veteran which is a couple million. They must figure they can hire a rookie for cheaper. They have to pay for Brees and Graham somehow.
Jimmy Graham is with Seattle now.
The owner must be a GT grad.
Or a wvu grad:
People who graduate from WVU don't own football teams.
There, that's better
Clearly, orange pants were the reason he was dismissed... /s