Had some down time today so did a little trolling over at Eleven Warriors. Man they took that loss last year and are pissed! They seem a little delusional to think they will beat us in Lane this year by 30 or more. Hell there was one crazy dud talking about coming into town an burning Blacksburg down. They are buying the hype of the Vegas odds right now. Clearly they have no clue how much better we are "projected" to be. I truly believe that not only will we beat Ohio State again, we will win the ACC this year.
Guys and gal's go check this delusional fanbase out!
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Eh, we at TKP wouldn't be much better if we were coming off a championship with 3 heisman-caliber QBs returning. I don't know about 30 though, seems a bit high to me. Nothing would feel better than beating them a second time. Hell, not much feels better than remembering beating them the first time!
I keep hearing everyone talking about how they are returning 3 great quarterbacks. Maybe I am mistaken but can't a team only have one quarterback playing at any given time? If this is correct then anOSU has one great quarterback returning and two of the best bench warmers in college football.
you can have three QB playing at the same time. I guess it depends on your definition of quarterback. On direct snaps to a RB with no QB on the field, does that make him the QB? How about if the ball is lateraled to your fullback who played QB in high school and he completes a pass to your QB. Does that make the FB the QB and the QB the TE (always)?
Anyway, I'm sure if they lined up Miller in the backfield, we'd have to respect him as a legitimate threat at RB. If we saw all three in the backfield on a shotgun snap, I'd be worried, but I'm sure Bud would just tell each of his linemen who they're responsible for and at the end of the play there'd be 3 Heisman worthy QBs on the ground.
Actually, in that case it's actually a lateral to the WR who played QB in college who throws a TD to the WR. Seriously, Spencer is one of our key losses not for trick play that helped us beat Bama but for his blocking skills as a WR.
As for Miller in the backfield, i would not be surprised to see him at H Balk with Elliot and Jines. Now you have 3 running threats and two passing threats to deal with.
you're new here so I'll fill you in: against LOLUVa, our FB, Sam Rogers, completed a pass to our QB, Logan Thomas, who was recruited as TE (as everyone likes to remind us). It would have been a 33 yard TD pass, but Logan had to lower himself to collect the pass and it was ruled that his knee hit the ground so it was only a 9 yard completion. Rogers had a QB rating of 99.0 that game, coincidentally.
Also, I've been wondering, is your avatar from Hunt for Red October?
Thanks. Plays like that are always fun to watch.
Not sure what boat is doing the emergency blow. As a former submariner I liked the avatar.
What sub(s), if you don't mind my asking? My brother served on the Finback in the early '80's.
SSBN 633
I know exactly which scene he's referring to. I just watched that movie the other day. Your avatar definitely looks a lot like that scene in the movie.
it's right at the beginning of this clip towards the end of the film
aw crap, there goes the rest of my afternoon. Now I've gotta HUNT down this movie.
i c wut u did thar!!11
I'd like to think we at TKP would indeed be better than that, but I can't say that for the entire VT fanbase for sure.
I can speak for myself here.
If the tables were turned, I'd be talking so much trash that the EPA would have "Wanted" posters made.
The fact that there are 3 experienced QB's vying for a starting spot is going to be OSU's downfall. Urban Meyer is a good coach but is not very personable. I think when the starter is announced you run the risk of alienating teammates. Typically that team rallying call is a 30-70 split. In the OSU locker room there is probably a 20-30-50 split amongst players.
Either way, there will be disappointment on the team no matter which QB is selected.
Meyer will have to be very sneaky about who is getting the start as any tip of that hand will allow bud to start the scheming process.
So practices and scrimmages will be closed off and reporters will be digging hard to find the dirt.
The OSU off-season and practice is going to be a whirlwind of presidential like coverage.
There is no way this game gets into a blowout either way it swings, but I like how OSU has everything to prove and a few too many horses looking to run.
JT Barrett is by far the best QB on that roster. Anyone else behind center would be a huge win for us.
Cardale is much scarier to me.
Agreed. JT is probably better overall, but I think we have the athletes to contain him/chase him down/catch his passes, but Cardale is more likely to run right over our LB's.
I kind of feel like Cardale might actually work to our advantage. He's only played three games and still hasn't seen a whole lot of defenses, especially those with tape on him. He's a very young quarterback still and Bud Foster beats young qbs better than anyone else in the country
Umm, phrasing? "Bud Foster beats young qbs..."
Should be eats, right?
Yeah, for all of the hype about him, he's still only seen a couple of defenses. Also, OSU did a lot to protect him and limit his mistakes and he still struggled at times against Bama. Heck, Profootballfocus gave him a negative grade for two of his games. I would much rather have him plow ahead for a few yards than beat the containment like Barrett was able to do a couple of times.
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Although Barrett will be the best in the long run, I believe Braxton is the best on the roster and will be named the starter. People are too quick to forget what he did before he got injured.
ran for a lot of TD's? Jones and Barrett can do that too but are better passers.
Sure that wasn't a WV fan trolling OSU about burning stuff?
I am usually game for a whole lot of smack talk, but will defer to the old saw (that's right "saw") that instructs that "brevity is the soul of wit", since last year affords me such luxury.
Therefore, I will just say,
git off da lawn.
Gotta love those "old saws".
The one thing I have never understood about this site is that whenever a team thinks they will beat us and do some some smack talk for fun people lose their freaking minds. Yet think nothing of it when we do the same or gets pissed when another team notices our smack talk and thinks it's unfounded. I swear I hate us losing, but the cynical side of me gets a minuscule amount of enjoyment when we trash talk like crazy and then lose, like Boston College the past two years.
This is compounded by this post where the reigning national champs are the ones talking, eerily similar to the last Bama game.
I wouldn't say that is something prevalent on this site. Most people seem pretty rational.
I agree with the first response. we would be talking smack like that too if we were coming off a NC. Plus it's sports. For most half the fun is smack talk, just ask James Gayle. Nothing to get upset about.
Idk I rarely see much respect given to other programs here. Definitely not to the extent that we would want for ourselves, and complain when we don't get. Most of the time when another program is brought up, its done to dismiss them or their accomplishments and validate VT in comparison.
sure, but who else do we really talk about besides LOLYOU!VA? And trust me, everything we say about them is true. They really are that bad.
I have no problem with some over the top UVA smack talk. Thats just good rivalry.
But I've seen plenty of people downplaying GTs great season last year. Or calling OSU fans delusional for thinking they'll win by 20, despite the fact that we have been blown out several times in the last few years including at home to much worse teams. Or a while ago ridiculing ODU fans for trying to be optimistic about the direction their program is going. It happens all the time and TKP seems to be hypocritically unaware of it
I'm actually glad you mentioned the ODU thing. That left a bad taste in my mouth, and I pointed out that a lot of the comments directed toward ODU on that thread were the exact same type of comments that we're directed at VT during the late 90s.
But by and large, this is by far the most respectful, football-savvy, levelheaded football forum I've ever been a part of. As for your other examples, I think in general the feeling on GT is that they had an exceptional year due to having the right people in their system, many of them seniors. It's not to say it's a fluke, just that it is very unlikely to happen reliably every year. As for scoffing at the idea of losing by 20, I wouldn't want to be part of a fan base that doesn't take exception to the idea that we will be beaten by three scores at home by a team we beat by two scores away last season.
Kinda like Miami in 2013/2014? I don't think it'll happen either, but blasting the opposing fan base for thinking it will and saying it'll NEVER happen like Lane is unbeatable is equally laughable
I really fail to see how that is disrespectful to Ohio St in any way. How would you feel if VT fans were talking to some other team guaranteeing a 30 point win? You would most likely call us delusional as well.
But we're the jerks for having the same type of response?
I really fail to see any level of disrespect in that sentiment whatsoever. Fans of Team A thinks they will beat Team B by X. Fans of Team B strongly disagree. No one is saying it can't/won't happen, but saying its not the most likely of scenarios is not the same as pissing on another team or their ability.
I agree with what you're saying, but in general I'm seeing much more of a "bring it" reaction to those claims rather than saying it couldn't possibly happen. There's a difference between confident and cocky, and by and large the reaction I'm seeing here regarding anOSU fans' call for a blowout falls in line with the former category.
This thread is definitely a lot more "bring it" which is great. I wouldn't say that's what its mostly been
Exactly. I respect the fans/posters on 11 Warriors who said something along the lines of "this team isn't a joke" or "we're not opening with a cupcake or anything here." However, it seems like a majority of them still lack a proper respect for the team that beat them by double digits in their place. If we had gone into the 'Shoe last year and played like dogs, I'd get the slander, jokes, and ridicule. But when we beat them and they're talking junk like "I'd take the 30 pt spread", it's like...
quoi?
Stephen A is like 6'1". He's not that large.
Good lord, I have no idea what I was thinking when I typed this. Thanks for the heads up.
You're acting as if we're thinking that playing in Lane will be the ultimate difference maker and that's the reason why we'll beat a team that pantsed us..
We beat Ohio State by 14 in Columbus last season. Saying its laughable that we have confidence our team can play just as good on our home field is... At this point, you're just looking for a reason to complain about the optimism.
As for complaining that some mock ODU, I do because there's always that one guy who believes that ODU is the next football power in the Commonwealth and within 10 seasons they'll be battling shoulder to shoulder for all the top players alongside the likes of not only VT but teams in the SEC. There's delusion, and then there's that. Being good at college football isn't as easy as building a stadium and getting in a somewhat big boy conference. UVa football has existed for 127 years and they still suck. Going from nothing to a legitimate regional/national power is very tough, which is why many can quickly rattle off the few teams who have done it, VT included.
14! How could you forget!?! It's written on that trophy I gave myself on behalf of Frank Beamer.
Was it 14?
Whoops! To be fair, after the Pick-6, there was so much rejoicing that its easy to have missed the XP.
At the same time, however, there are plenty of posters on here who speak highly of other teams. For every fan who ridicules GT's season last year there is another who says GT was actually good last year. And they will be contenders this year too. As long as PJ has a good QB the jackets are a dangerous team. There are plenty of posters who are well aware of that. Look at all of the positive film reviews of other teams. TKP recognizes the strengths and weaknesses of other teams. Not just the weaknesses.
I personally have said many times that OSU is going to be very good and they will likely win in Lane this fall. I hope it isn't a 30+ point blow out, and I have faith that it won't be, but I could see it happening. I've been to the recent clemson debacles and Miami last year should be a constant reminder that things can get ugly quickly. Not everyone here are hypocrites.
Oh I think plenty on here make dismissive comments I was referring to this sentence mostly:
Does the majority of TKP lose their freaking minds when there is trash talk from another fanbase? I don't think so. I remember the Bama guy coming on and we had a lot fun with him. He was a cool dude. There was trash talk and dismissive statements, but in the end just plain sports talk. At one point there was even a lolUVA fan here and I will begrudgingly admit that he actual knew what he was talking about. People around here seemed to be just fine with him as well. Same with our OSU fan now.
I think some people, not naming names, tend toward the hyperbolic when it comes to being "disrespected" and I agree with your point about ODU 100%. But I think there is a majority of other members, like yourself, that keep things more rational than irrational.
Maybe that's just me. I just don't see that many here losing their freaking minds.
I lost my freakin' mind a while ago...I'm actually hoping you can help me find it...
I can say with absolute certainty that no Hokie fan has ever talked trash to the tune of predicting a 30+ point win...on the road...against s team that smacked us in the mouth in our house last year and got better since then.
Boston College, Wake Forest, even Miami last year...looking back at the comments it's funny just how demeaning some people were to the programs, only to lose and in the case of Miami...get our asses handed to us.
We can't say one fansite's board's delusional and then do the same thing over here.
Actually I love their smack talk and think its amusing. Hell I love talking the smack as well....that's what's so great about being a fan..with that being said, anyone and I mean anyone that thinks they are coming to Lane and win by 30+ against this young athletic team is DELUSIONAL!!!!!!
Every fan base has fans that think their team will beat some other team by 30+ points
e.g. Virginia Tech should go into Lane North and duplicate 38-0 against LOLYOU!VA to end the regular season
UVA didn't beat us by two TDs at our place last year.
I like reading their homerisms over there: they will pick up where they left off against Oregon, no one on our team will be improved, Bud will do exactly what he did last year, our O will rank, and their need for revenge will be too much for us to contain. It's going to be a good game to watch and a little first quarter BEAMERBALL could go a long way to deflating those hopes.
Talk is cheap. See ya in Blacksburg, anOSU.
Welcome to the website.
Homestar Runner was at its height in popularity when I started at Tech in 2003. I spent a lot of time in West AJ watching Strongbad emails.
Can you fault them for feeling how they do though? They ended the year on a roll, starting with that ridiculous B1GCG (what, to the tune of 59-0). On top of that's, they've got the whole revenge thing going. Those boys are going to be fired up.
But so are we. And I rather like the underdog role.
If the shoe were on the other foot, I wouldn't think any differently either.
Anyway, labor day can't come soon enough
We were the underdog last year too - just that they didn't take us seriously. Now they do.
I won't feel shame if we lose to them, but if revenge always made the motivated team win, then UVA would have beaten us by now and conversely, we wouldn't dread games against BC / Pitt all the time.
Agreed - labor day can't come soon enough!
there is a slight difference between uva and osu. Motivation can help a really talented team, sure, but uva needs way more than a little motivation to get them over the hump
They did end the year strong, but they were not world beaters all year. They went to OT vs Penn State, etc. If we can stay healthy in camp, I really think this game's outcome comes down to our matchups with EZE and Bosa.
Big talk is all fun and games till you get caught and put in your place.....
PERFECT!!! Now who knows how to put anOSU hat/shirt/tattoo or something on this kid and post it all over every OSU site?
By the holy power of Wyatt Teller I don't care what they are speaking of on 11 warriors or whatever it is. I can't wait for the game and I can't wait to beat the national champs again.
Awesome! Can we please make this a thing? Also, how about
"By the power of DeChristophers Beard!"
It reminds me a bit of the He-Man phrase, "By the power of Gray Skull"
I know I've used something similar. When the O-line was struggling, I have once actually said, "for the love of DeChristopher's Beard!"
You mean that's not in everyone's daily lexicon?
It really should be.
Agreed. Or, "By the power of Greg Nosal's missing finger!"
One of my co-workers (from Ohio) came into my cubicle and says "Ohio State is gonna kick VT's ass this year". I just looked at him and said "Oh, like they did last year?" Nuff said.
Talk is cheap. Who knows what's gonna happen come September. I'm gonna be pulling just as hard and wishing I could be a 12th man on the field regardless. They can't take away one of the greatest wins I've experienced as a Hokie, as it's pretty well documented that it happened. We'll dust off the cleats and buckle our chin straps to settle it like men in a few months. Let the pads do the talking. GO HOKIES!!!!
I would have no problem if it was them saying they were going to beat us; that's to be expected. But the fact that only a few fans have the sense to realize that that spread is pretty ridiculous is laughable. I wouldn't expect any P5 team to lose by 21+ at home for the first game of the season. It's only logical that there will be plenty of miscues for both teams, and that neither should really expect a lead of more than 14 at at any given point.
Welcome to the SEC
Week 1 2014
(21) Texas A&M 52 @ (9) South Carolina 28
aTm scored 21 2nd half points
Arkansas 21 @ No. 6 Auburn 45
Auburn scored 24 2nd half points
(16) Clemson 21 @ (12) Georgia 45
Tied 21 at halftime
If OSU gets going OSU IS running to score to the last play
I didn't say it couldn't, or hadn't before happened. It does, that's football, those games were all fun to watch. I said no one should EXPECT those outcomes. I'm sure no one thought that the state of South Carolina was going to get its ass whipped quite so handily, especially since A&M doesn't play defense and was replacing Johnny Fucking Football, and Georgia was reliant on its dominant ground game. Georgia was only a 10 point favorite, South Carolina was a 10 point favorite, and Auburn was only a 17 point favorite, which is the most surprising since it was on their turf, against a middling Arkansas team. In each of those cases, the HOME team was expected to win, and the largest spread was 17 points. So the EXPECTATION for our game should show a 7-10 point spread in OSUs favor, not the 21.5 it currently is, and certainly not a delusional 30+ that some fans over there seem to be set on.
Ummm you just gave 2 examples where the home team was the team that won big. And in 1 of those 2 the team that lost big had dropped like 9-10 straight SEC games.
Fail to see what that has to do with this discussion, especially considering that you seem to be responding to a comment about a home team losing by 21+ week one.
SEC coaches don't play nice. I know Frank is ok scoreing 28 points and winning by 4. The SEC (UM) won't play that way. Thus winning by 21 or more is well within reason. All of the above games scored 21 or more 2nd half points well past the point of the game being over.
In the BiG 10 confrence championship game they won 59-0
And again, since clearly you missed it both times, we're talking about EXPECTATIONS. Not potentially viable outcomes, not what COULD happen, but rather a reasoned guess of what WILL happen. And in every example you brought up, you proved my original statement, whether you put in enough thought to actually do that or not.
let me dust off my mission accomplished t shirt, slip it on and go right back at them.
Please don't ever have downtime again.
Agreed with this reaction!
Don't be that "guy", my dude. You're better than that!
Yeah, troll le sabre.
The folks on eleven warriors (despite the fact that I keep reading it as "elven warriors") seem about as reasonable as any passionate sports fans can be expected to be.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I do enjoy the rational fan a bit more than the irrational one. Most of their fans that have created accounts on here seem to be pretty good people and while I'm sure they think they'll win they don't come over here and troll or say they are going to beat us by a gazillion points.I know we'll be a better team but I'm still giving OSU the edge to win, even though I want us to win more than anything but lets be realistic. However I would expect them to win somewhere in the 1-14 point range. I think it will be an awesome game and not a snooze fest of OSU marching up and down the field scoring at will.2 of the top 15 returning defenders per NFL.com The top two pass-rushing duo per B/R (i know). It's not like we're some FCS school.Plus people need to realize that Joey Bosa does not create a defense. Bud Foster on the other hand does.
note: I wrote all of the above and started to ramble then wrote the last sentence and thought....hmmm...that captures my point I think....and to 11warriors I say....
there's nothing worst than having a game devolve into a sneeze fest
THIS.
They're over there talking about how VT returns only seventy-something
snapsstarts on D (and fewest on the D-line) but do they realize that Nicolas/Ekanem were the top rushing duo (by numbers) last year and that they're both back??EDIT: DOH!
It's not worth the trouble talking any sense into them.
Not to mention every player that scored is back!!
I saw that same post and I was lost. No way that's accurate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, we lost 3 starters on D - none on the D-line. Williams, Jarrett, and Bonner... Am I missing something.
I don't think their facts are accurate. We should be returning close to 120 snaps and all D-line snaps. I think they're confusing 2013 into 2014, when we lost Gayle, Collins, Hopkins, Tyler, Exum, and Fuller.
It was career starts, not snaps, FWIW.
Also, to be fair, from what I saw they were using the absolutely awful chart that CFBMatrix put out several weeks ago, which was wildly inaccurate. I have no clue what CFBMatrix did to get those numbers, but it certainly wasn't good research. If I recall correctly, the numbers were wrong for several teams, including OSU.
Dadi, Ekanem, Maddy, Marshall. Baron, Williams, Walker as 2nd string. Maybe they want to revisit that.
MADDY, Dadi, and Ekanem. Does that sound inexperienced to anyone?
Sounds like a sleazy law firm.
All I have to say is.....
BRING IT ON
I love it. There is nothing better than we are underdogs and nobody gives us a chance. That's when we play our best.
Defending national champions, in Lane, night game? It will be one hell of an atmosphere.
I enjoy the scrappy under dog as much as the next guy. But it would be nice for us to eventually grow past that. The fact remains that the last "under dog" to win a natty was Colorado in 1990.
Oklahoma was a preseason number 19 in 2000... that may qualify as a longshot under dog status.
Yea, we got some fans that are expecting a blowout. OTOH, there are a number of 11W posters who point out that VT is not going to be a pushover. In defense of some of our more delusional fans we are coming off of 3 games that we did pretty well in and didn't suffer significant losses to our starting lineups. A few key losses but it's not like we aren't returning a solid team. The plus side is we are returning some good offensive weapons in Elliot and whoever starts at QB (my guess is Jones) and have a TE in Vannett that can replace Heuerman as well as a solid receiving corps. The D should be as good as last year even with our losses. If we play mistake free football I like our chances.
As fo the line, Vegas is simply trying to balance their betting so they are guessing at what bettors across the country think, not just tOSU and VT fans think. My guess is it settles around 14.
What we fans think means dudely squat in the scheme of things. What the players are doing now and how well their coaching staffs get them prepared for Labor Day are what will count. Hokie fans have seen it time and again, USC, Alabama, Boise, ad nauseum which leads me to believe that we will have to be hitting on all cylinders for a complete four quarters to win this year. You guys maybe not.
"dudely"
In their defense, if any team wins by 30+ it will be Ohio State. I don't see how VT could win by more than a score...or two (have to add a 2 score condition because of last year). I do, however, think the 11W fans are underestimating this VT team just like they did last year.
I'll say this... 2 years ago, we thought, going into this series, that if we had a chance to beat Ohio State, it was in Lane. We'd give em a good game at the Shoe, but likely lose late, and then our chance would be in 2015 when we hosted them, in what we hoped would be a showcase night game.
Then we won in the Shoe, and apparently, that means we're going to lose in Lane.
Meh, I'm not seeing it. Sure, we might lose this year, Ohio State got better as the season progressed, but then again, they were really the only team (outside of W&M, who doesn't really count) that saw us at full strength last year. After that game, it was a procession of injuries that really derailed what started out as a fairly promising year. Jarrett plays hurt and gets picked apart against ECU, Brewer has a couple screwups as a result of a back and shoulder injury (or possible concussion) in the Ohio State game, and our season was off the rails.
Now, I'm not saying we'll 100% win the game, but a 21 point spread is absurd at this point. I also think we're going to see Lane as its toughest and most intimidating that it has been since arguably that 2003 Miami game, and that environment alone turned the tide. Night game, on a holiday, national showcase for a game the fanbase has had circled on the calendar since it was announced a decade ago? Anyone who is expecting Ohio St to walk out with an easy win is fooling him or herself.
A large part of our confidence though was the fact that they would be breaking in Braxton Miller's replacement for the first time. Then he went down and after our game his replacement goes on a 9 game win streak. Then Barrett gets hurt and HIS replacement lights up Wiscy to the tune of 59-0, and then goes on to beat Bama, and Oregon.
So all of a sudden that drop off in QB play that we were looking for is now missing.
I'm just glad it's at home in Lane and not at a neutral site like so many other marquee
homeopeners.Edit: I am an idiot.
What's that quote?
"Speak softly, but carry a big stick"
I urge us to take this approach.
Let them talk all they want. They talked last year too didn't they? We'll see how it plays out on the field.
Teddy Roosevelt was the MAN
EDIT: #soarcing my shit http://teddyrooseveltisabadass.tumblr.com/
Loved him in Night at the Museum...
I always upvote the Genie of the Lamp.
RIP :(
#feels
Are you cracking wise?
Did someone call for a Big Stick?
Where I come from we call that a Big Target.
Pride runs deep.
You better stay quiet then since we're coming to say hello!
You can try to hide...but "I'll find you"...
U.S. Subs used to send pictures of the ship taken through their periscope.
We sent one of the sub's periscope once when they raised their periscope to take a picture of us.
Our photog was in the helo while we were tracking them.
They did not like that one bit, no sir.
FF-1064. I was on so many anti-sub ops I got to know the P-3 pilots and crew by the sound of their voice.
I was an AW...I've got quite a bit of P-3 On top time. I miss my War Pig! Low and Slow baby!
Yup. We used to run in a straight track to let you guys get a good lock on us then go deep and do a 180 and listen to your sonobuoys drop along the old track.
However, if you got a couple of helos and Hoovers working in concert it took a bit of work to shake you...
Then there was the time we let the screen run over top of us and steamed right behind the bird farm until COMEX...
Yeah, sometimes we'd tell the O's that they were not utilizing the ASW screen properly. I used to get in trouble because senior officers would ask my opinion. LOL I'd give them an honest answer and watch my Chain get nervous.
You guys think you pulled that kind of stuff off all the time. There were plenty of O's that didn't understand that stuff but most of us on the stacks with any experience could peg that a mile away.
Easy way to check, deck launch 2 buoys, one for above the layer and one below. Subs couldn't hear the splash and never knew we had them pegged. I actually had an Alpha hit my buoy once that way. Loud bastards but fast.
I never killed my bouys 'cause that was such a common trick. I'd let them go until they battery died. Some of them lasted for hours. I'd then keep the helo away and use the P3 or S4 to drop from higher so the sub didn't know we didn't loose them.
U.S. sub drivers used to break scenario rules all the time.
We were going in right after an exercise once to replace our tail and the sub was thinking they were coy, so we drug our tail and snagged them. We lost a good part of it and pulled the fish back in with anechoic coating smeared down the side of it. They tried to deny it but the rocks aren't made of anechoic.
I brought a stack of logs one time over to a sub after an exercise where the sub driver wouldn't fess up to getting beat. Captain had me bring my passive sonar waterfall paper all annotated up.
They still didn't buy it so at the debrief they put me on the computer and I plugged in all their position changes, speed changes, depth changes and transients. You could tell from the look on their face I was right.
Gave them a list of pumps and motors to do maintenance on.
I hated when the sub guys thought we did not have them pegged. I once tracked one for over 2 days until I couldn't stay awake any longer. Had it tagged down to a hull number. That CO wasn't happy either.
Soviet diesel subs were tougher. Batteries don't make engine noise RCPs do. Can't turn them puppies off. A very nice discrete line they were.
When you guys managed to act in concert you were pretty good. You could box us in so we couldn't get a solution so even if you couldn't get one either you did you job. My favorite was to rig for ultra quiet, nestle by the layer and wait for you guys to pass us by. It was always fun playing with you guys. And if you ain't cheating you ain't winning.
True sea story (is there any other kind?):
Once we were stuck on the surface for an emergency repair and after a while an S3 spotted us and started circling us. We kept trying to wave him away as a trawler was just over the horizon and didn't want to give her a free intel op. The S3 driver kept waggling his wings when we waved. Fortunately the trawler never wandered over to check out what the S3 spotted. He either got bored or finally figured out why we were waving and not using our radio and left. Fun times.
I don't think I ever mentioned, I was an STG. That's Sonar Tech Surface. Passive Sonar specialist, tail and buoy.
One of the tough parts about tracking U.S. subs was that of course the subs used the same gear as the surface ships, hard to differentiate one 60hz line from another, etc.
The trawlers used to follow us too. they would drag a net to capture our trash bags and see if they could get intel from it.
So, when we saw that, we'd shred up a whole stack of paper like the P.O.D. and menus and stuff then have a couple guys take a dump in it, make sure it had some air in the bag and throw that out with the trash.
Some poor sap would have to try to piece all that strips of paper together to see if there was any intel on it.
Lovely
may want to remove that frequency.....
duplicated post
Everybody knows from the most basic electrician that the electrical frequency of NA equipment is 60 hz and everyone who has ever been anywhere knows you can't plug in a coffee pot from U.S. into an outlet in England.
That the U.S. runs on 60 hz is probably the only frequency that is not classified in any way. That's why I used it.
But, I certainly do appreciate the reminder. Sometimes we do make errors.
I'm loving this exchange. Thanks guys. Good stuff!
^I'm with this guy. All this stuff you're saying makes me want to select 60Rs even more.
That and because they're the workhorse helo of the fleet now. ASW is fun, if you take the time to see/understand the big picture. I'll be on shore tour by the time you select, so good luck to you!
With the Chinese feeling their oats, it's going to get to be a hot skill again.
To me, the reality is that OSU will be favored by the bettors regardless of our playing at home, at night, etc. I just cannot proclaim victory is nigh this far before the game. We don't know who may be injured, suspended, etc. from either team come fall. If things go well for us this summer and we don't beat each other up too much in fall practice, we stand a really good chance of acquitting ourselves quite well, indeed, but if I were a betting man and had to bet right now, I'd be hard pressed to bet the Hokies to win. Now, will we lose by 30? Different story, and for all of the reasons given in the posts above. Games do get "out of whack" sometimes, but I think we'd have to lose a half dozen starters the day before the game to lose by 30. I echo GoKartMozart, though. Really glad we didn't give this game to the "neutral site is good for recruiting" committee.
To be fair, VT has never really given up a game to the neutral site, at least in recent memory. Alabama and Boise, and even going back to 2004, USC weren't looking for a home and home. Alabama pushed ECU off the schedule one of those years (not sure if it was home or away), and USC actually pushed the game at LSU to 2007.
The Cincy game in 2012 was supposed to be a home game for Cincy...they were the ones that sold it to Dan Snyder.
But props to the OSU and VT athletic departments for getting this series together. In my 14 years of watching Tech football, it's certainly the best home-and-home deal they've gotten. The only other ones that have been close were pre-"SEC is GOD" LSU and Nebraska. Maybe Texas A&M in 2002/2003.
Fair? Really? Fair? I would thank you to not try to cloud my illogical thinking with facts! And yeah, I knew that, but it was a backhanded (unfair?) swipe at some of our past scheduling even knowing that that was about the only way we were going to be able to schedule those games at all.
Better than the ECU home and home...and home and home...and home and home...and home and home...and home and home...?
Given how the 2007 season went, I think you just gave me ANOTHER reason to hate USC.
Won't comment on OP, as smack talk on a fan board is whatevs.
But I do wanna talk about the three Heisman caliber QBs. My hope is our defense comes out on fire, rattles whoever the starter is early, gets Meyer thinking about maybe putting the next guy in. On a perfect night, none of them can find a rhythm and Meyer rotates through all three trying to find the spark. A short leash on a QB against our defense could be a very, very good thing.
The old addage in football is, if you have two quarterbacks, then you don't have a quarterback. Hopefully that goes up exponentially if you have three.
"Three QBs? That sounds like an amazing idea!" -- Mike London
If you've never seen Princeton run that occasionally it is actually sort of hilarious, those nerds can sure get creative.
Time-out - woudn't that require three quarterbacks [edit: ...staying with the program]?
Don't you go sharing our secrets.
I really doubt UM keeps whoever starts on a short leash and baring injury yanks him if he starts slow. I agree you need to get pressure on and disrupt the rhythm but I think that will be tough of you to do.
Personally, I'd like to see Miller in an H Back role but if he is 100% I think he'll start. As an H-back he'd add a whole new set of options and probably be better set for the NFL next year.
Then again, that's why UM gets $17k a day and I get to post on fan sites...
Osu78, after reading #alltheposts...and I know it is early...but I am dusting off the one, the only, Good Egg Award.
You are officially my frontrunner.
Um sorry, WADR we HAD NO TROUBLE AT ALL getting pressure on your QB last year.
Why do you think that will be tough to do this year? Did you forget we beat you last year largely b/c we stuffed the run and beat your QB up? We have the same D line back this year.
Don't try and tell us ANYTHING will be tough for us to do particularly since we have evidence to the contrary. I'm tired of this conciliatory crap around here. You guys are Champs. Congratulations. But this is OUR board and we beat y'alls ass last year and can do it again this year. Respect that!
Sure, it will be a tough game. Y'all will probably win, but don't think our guys will be scared about playing you guys. And don't think for a minute Bud won't be able to scheme his way to your QB. He knows what he's doing. (And for the record, I think UM HAS to stick with whoever his starting QB is because to change QB's, other than injury, will mean a victory for Bud. I hope that happens)
I reject this notion that osu is going to whup us this year. Both teams start from scratch with no momentum and new chemistry. That favors us. We quite often play and practice for the likes of Alabama, USC, etc. to start the season. We thrive on it.
The best you guys can do this year is to even the series at 1-1 and I think there is some pressure for you guys to do that and do it big. Not so with us. We KNOW we can go toe to toe with you guys and win. Don't be surprised if it happens again.
Even though we're returning the whole DL, THEY'RE returning pretty much the entire OL, which last year was comprised of 4 new guys for them, on top of breaking in a new quarterback. That made things a whole lot easier for us to get in there and disrupt. Using only a modicum of reason, anyone who pays attention will realize that things will be tougher this year.
Side note, tone down the hostility a bit. We have a guy on here to give us a different perspective, and he's not using his access to be a douchebag. From what I've seen, he's positively contributed to the conversation, which is good for both sides. We need more of that, but it won't happen if Hokie members get snippy with visitors.
A couple of things; Don't tell me how to post, okay? I wasn't snippy with the guy. I respectfully responded to his assertion that it would be tough for us to get pressure on their QB. Am I to deduce that the OS O line got better last year and our D line did not? We match up VERY WELL against this O line. We've got one of the best, if not THE best, defensive lines in the country. I make no apologies for that.
Secondly, I made no personal attacks against the guy. I just think he is dead wrong about whats going to happen in this game.
We too were breaking in a new QB last year. Remember? Brewer hardly knew the playbook. Brewer did not have much chemistry with his FRESHMAN receivers or the O line. Not so this year.
Our O line is MUCH more cohesive this year which will make things better for Brewer and the RB's. We are in much better shape on O this year than we were last year.
On defense we will be nasty. If Facyson is healthy we will be in great shape.
Using only a modicum of reason, one can see that things will be tougher for osu this year. Our O is better, our defense is one of the best in the nation, we are playing at home, at night, and the pressure is squarely on osu to not only beat us, but to humiliate us.
While osu78 is a fine poster/visitor, I will make no apologies for stating (on OUR OWN board, no less) that we have a VERY GOOD shot at beating them again.
IMO the problem with your first post was this:
It's hypocritical for you to tell someone not to tell you how to post when that's exactly what you are doing to our OSU member.
He can tell us whatever he wants. We can choose to agree or disagree, and should be able to do that reasonably. This isn't OUR board, this is Joe's board for discussion on all things VT football which should include opposing fans if they want to be here. So maybe practice the RESPECT part a bit more.
Point taken. I'll walk that one back. osu78, post any way you choose and I will do the same. No hard feelings (It never was personal).
I still stand by my assertion that we have nothing to fear in this game. We are in a good position to give osu fits all night long.
Cool beans. +1 for being a classy guy
You have some good points and I agree. I don't think OSU is going to be running away with anything. To be fair though, I believe osu78 has said several times he is not in that camp of thinking among OSU fans either.
No worries. No offense given and none taken.
As for giving us fits, I have no doubt you have a very good team and your coaches will have them ready for us. However, I think the team we'll bring will be a very different one than you faced last year. We'll have a QB and RB that are known quantities as well as a more seasoned set of WR's an OL. UM will be able to be more aggressive as well as have a much more balanced attack were he has confidence in a broad set of playmakers. Our defense shouldn't see any drop off even with a few key losses so your O should have their hands full. It should be a good game but I would expect us to win by 10-14 points.
Everything you've posted on this board has been reasonable and worth the read. Even if you were on here saying you're going to walk all over us that would be fine. You still would have valid reasons for asserting such a scenario. You guys improved last year, we didn't. You won the national championship and have known weapons. We won our spring game and despite reports there are a few kinks to work out and guys to get well and stay well. Surely our coaches and players know this game will demand more than last year's and that they will have to bring their best to take the win. In the end as we have seen Beamer has won games a lot of ways and I think he'll get us this one.
GuyGivingMiddleFingerInFrontOfHokieRespectSignAtLOLUVAGame.gif
has to be the greatest image of hokie respect that I can see. I was rolling when I saw it on TV.
I think it is. I added it to the favorite gifs thread a while ago, and I send it to everyone when I want to give them the aforementioned fingers.
"I respectfully responded "
Oh, that old saw?
So I am at the beach and was at a bar and saw a guy wearing a Buckeyes shirt, I went up to talk to talk to him asking if he was going to be in lane for the Labor Day matchup and he had very little clue what I was talking about. I then went on to expand what happened last year and he was like I hope u don't have that qb back, and I responded we do. His facial expression was priceless! Needless to say he looked worried! (Disclaimer I have had a few beers and isn't know where else to place this) but if he was worried that we have brewer back then they know we have a guy that is tough as nails behind center!
It's been my experience that there is a strong inverse correlation between the prominence of a college football program displayed on a person's attire and the likelihood that said person can sustain a conversation about "their" team. I've tried to engage people wearing Longhorns, Sooner, USCw and anOSU gear before, and it seems like by and large, the majority of the fans of elite programs have no idea what's actually going on within the program. The Longhorns fan in particular sticks out in my mind. Going into their BCS championship game vs Alabama, I asked him if he was worried about Colt McCoy being able to survive the Crimson Tide pass rush. He got all confused and said, "We don't play in the SEC." He didn't even know who the opponent was.
This is the case with Michigan, Alabama, and Texas. I saw too many a Walmart Wolverine in NOLA claiming Denard was the next Vick... We all know how that turned out and Danny Coale caught the ball.
I've actually come across fans like this of almost all teams, including our own unfortunately. I'll simply ask what they think of a new coaching hire or something similar, only a get a politicians answer (see: no answer) and a generic, "yeah, I think were going to be alright this year"
It's one thing not to follow coaching hires. That's an admittedly obsessive level of devotion. (Yes, we are all obsessive fans here, and I own that.) But to not even know who you're playing against in the national championship game, at that point you aren't a fan, you just made a fashion choice using a college program's logo.
While we probably share obsessive football syndrome, I've known a number of Ohio State grads who were big fans of the school but didn't really care about football. TOSU does that to people, as I am sure va Tech does to those who go there as well. Although if you wear school logos most people will reasonably assume you are a fan of the dominant sport(s).
VA Tech!?! Ok, now you've done crossed the line!
Fair enough. We're big on th THE. What do you use?
As a Tech school we prefer things to be as precise as possible so we use AN rather than THE so it's more accurate.
haha, jk. We just don't like VA Tech. Sounds stupid. VT, Tech, Hokies, Virginia Tech or Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University all work fine.
Got it. In interest of precision THE is an official part of our name; not just an article. Wouldn't Poly be more precise than Tech or VPI than VT?
Kidding aside, it's interesting how schools decide to shorten their name.
I remember my grandfather telling me that Poly came up when the name changed to our current official name but everyone attached to VPI. Now most people don't even say that unless they are of said more elderly generations. I think most Poly schools are prefixed by state as well, like Cal Poly, so Va Poly would sound even worse than Va Tech. VT & Tech are most common I would say. Plus now we have TECHmo Bowl with GT, doesn't work with Poly.
Its more the people who say "VAH Tech", because that's stupid.
No one refers to OSU as "OhSue" or UVA as "OohVah", I've never heard anyone say "Gah Tech" for GT etc.
UVA ... uva (Spanish) "grape" ... wine ... wine and cheese ...
A guy I work with is a VT fan and from Columbia, he refers to them as Grape University.
yeah same here. everyone I know refers to it as Douche University. Funny, in a it must be true sort of way, how everyone's mind associates the same word... oh, you said "Grape".
I've served with a good amount of Ohio State fans. And I believe every one of 'em is arrogant as shit when it comes to anything OSU.
Of course. It's hard to be humble when you are the finest... (With apologies to the USMC)
Why yes it is...
I remembered last year when OSU fans got mad because we were apparently "killing their RPI," haha.
Sidenote: does anyone else ever read it as Elven warriors as opposed to eleven, get a slightly hilarious image in their head?
Well, I do now.
Ha! It happened to someone else!
FTFY
Oh come on, a lot of yall over here would do the same if you destroyed your opponents last year, won a natty, have three amazing QBs, and with the spread so much in your favor. I've seen some pretty bad homerism from TKP as well, this is no different, it's just some smack talk. At this point I think it's pretty justified considering how they ended the season.
Oh, heck, since there's an OSU spy trolling our site and I been enjoying this thread and hope we can mix it up some, we might as well let 'em in on the truth, boys. We're gonna kick thar beutt next Fall. Don't call me Homer even if that really is my name.
For them fans of the State University of Ohio and the team for that matter, they otta know we're a southern school (some would say mid-south, but that's only those brave folks from New Jersey who survive four years of twisted vowels and moonshine and not necessarily in that order as students at our fine institution of hiGH learning) (pay no attention to those crops over there)(what's with all these parentheses anyway?) so we have game etiquette that we follow for invaders from the north. Any Ohio person, fan or not, who makes it in one piece through the state of West Virginia to Virginia will have his/ her/thayrn car impounded at the Giles County/WV state line. After paying a fine, a hefty one at that, they'll be permitted to continue on to Blacksburg. We promise not to burn any couches (that's our b-tard mountaineer cousins from MogenDavid Town) to celebrate their arrival, but if you're one of 'em and don't find a bed in your hotel room, shut up and sleep on the floor. This is the south and we don't take no shite (did I spell that right?).
Now you folks on this site don't go spillin' no beans how this year we'll be using the Beardog defense and Beamer will be calling plays from the pressbox where he can eat hotdogs during timeouts with his good buddy the tight-ends coach. And remember they're not suppost to know about that big seven-foot tight end we got now even if they already knew him as a six and a half footer from last year. Dang it, now I did it, the cats out of the bag (get back in there, toothy) and I can't take it back, cuz I got my nephew typing for me since he majors in computers at Tech. Anyways, all these recent years that Orange jerseys have seemed to be a curse has only been a ruse. We're deep into long-range planning and sacrifices as we're college grudgeuates you know. We'll catch 'em napping like we did last year since they'll be thinking those wahoo-like jerseys are gonna fluke us and besides somebody I know has put a red 97 jersey on a Ken doll and already started sticking pins in it. I don't think that'll really work cuz the hair's too short, but it's worth a try seeing how we're gonna try to block him with a walkon from a D-III school. I guess his star'll be shining bright seeing how that shouldn't be much of a challenge, less'n of course those pins really do work.
Oh, and one more thing, don't be surprised if when you enter Lane you find we have two or three more fans than you. Heck, our fans have years of practice of finding that cow pasture after working up a little courage to see us get annihilated by the eventual nationals champs. We're thinking we're about due. Due for what? We don't know. But don't be misled cuz even though we're still annihalatilyzing we know we're due.
Well boys as you can see I passed through Franklin County on my way home and stayed a might bit too long so it's time to close this. That gasoline derivative they sell there ought to be illegal and I'm afraid I'd done had a might too much for I figuredt out it was time to leave. And besides my nephew says his finger's er tired.
Go Hokies!
kennyhokie... is that you?
I am suspecting this post is laden with sarcastica and perhaps the gasoline derivative you speak about, but would like to point out that I actually find our OSU member rather pleasant and insightful.
Nah, not kennyhokie, and as well I've been enjoying reading his insight, and yours too, but don't let him fool you. I think he's Urban, or is that Oscar, Meyer, trying to get our secrets. As you know, we posters on fan websites are privy to deep inside knowledge and should be taken seriously. That's why I'm all riled up about that trash talk over at Elvenwarriors. How dare the defending national champions think they have a chance against us.
just remember, talk is cheap. tears on national tv are forever
touche'
"Oh no, the Hokies are too Turnt up! They can't Turn down!" Lol, hoping for that again this year.
Lol context?
Lol, it's a song from 22 Jump Street. Just gave it a little Hokie remix.
What is that guys earring in the background?...
Wasn't kennyhokie banned over a year ago?
that made my head hurt. Can someone give me a TLDR in english?
TLDR:
It's Heritage, not racism. Hokies will whoop OSU.
At least, that's what I'm gettin' from it
Totally playing into the stereotypes that OSU had of Tech when we spanked em last year. I know before the game I was getting some redneck/southerner trash talk. They were probably shocked to hear no southern accent and seeing as I am from Ohio and am plenty familiar with the Buckeyes knew the soft spots to fire back about.
Two dwarves walked into a bar. The third one ducked.
Why do Dwarves drink so much? You ever seen Dwarven women?
Why did the dwarf cross the road? He didn't because he lives in a cave!
How many dwarves does it take to pleasure a lady? 7, just ask Snow White!
just felt some on here were expecting something else from the Topic Title
A little short on humor, aren't you? Must be that baijiu!
hahaha, If I had been drinking baijiu I would be blacked out by now.
Are you based in BJ? I forget, or have we not had that q&a?
Was, but after many years I'm back stateside. Presumably it was the air, or lack thereof. Oh, btw, that baijiu will get after ya.
THEY'VE TAKEN THE HOBBITS TO ISEGARD
This being the first game causes some concerns. New mike will be a concern. Then throw in new safety and rover then you may have a bad recipe against OSU.
New mike is the biggest concern, IMO. If the safety is Chuck Clark, we have nothing to worry about, and Reavis appears to have been manufactured in a government facility specifically to play rover.
That cuts both ways. Every single college team is replacing players -- and most of the times it's replacing an experienced guy with a newbie. Some of the OSU replacements may be bad recipes against VT.
True. What I look for is consistency; how does a team do year over year while replacing key players? Does the team continue to have outstanding years or do they go from undefeated to 4 losses? The former tells me they are doing well at recruiting and developing players so they have someone ready to step up when it's their turn. That to me is the difference from a perennial top 10 or 20 team and one that occasionally breaks into the upper ranks. College teams don't have the luxury of filling a need with a free agent or trade so finding and developing talent, regardless of their stars, is extremely important.
Under Meyer we have done pretty well by that metric. Even the 3 games we lost we never were out of those games, even if the scores make the loss look worse than it was. That's not to take anything away from the winning team, they did what that needed to win and deserve credit for that. It does show, however, we have team that has the bench strength to cover key losses and is capable of consistently performing at a high level, thus our optimism for 2015 and why I am not as worried about our player losses as others. In addition, the backups have seen enough playing time so it won't be a completely new experience for them.
That doesn't mean we'll repeat or even go undefeated, there are simply too many things that need to fall into place and one bone head paly can cost you a victory. Look at LSU vs. Bama last year. LSU had that won until they committed a really stupid personal foul. Sometimes the other team comes ready to play and the favorite believes the hype surrounding them and gets surprised.
You said it...
True, but didn't UM leave a bit of a steaming pile behind him talent wise when he skipped out of Dodge at UF?
It only takes a drop off at 1 or 2 positions to appreciably change the strengths/weaknesses of an offensive and/or defensive unit. That's why even though VT returns players with significant experience at almost every position, I'm particularly concerned about the middle linebacker position. The kid who will be starting there started 4 games or so last year and showed promise at times -- and on paper was a better athlete than the starter -- but on the field also looked really green at times. And his mistakes were very costly.
Will he be improved? Probably...hopefully. But my guess is that he will be the guy OSU tries to exploit on Labor Day.
I'm sure VT will be looking to do the same vs some newbies as well. How much of an impact did Devin Smith make just as a threat? Will his replacement be as effective at this or will it mean opposing defenses can commit an extra half player closer to the line of scrimmage...making it a little tougher to get Elliot that little bit of extra space or provide the QB with just a hair less time to throw or scramble?
Yeah, they tried to take advantage of the Fr that came in for Fuller when he got hurt.
Riley wasn't a Fr, he was a Jr.
I actually love that it's the first game... we are more likely to be healthy, which is a big deal when your depth looks like ours does. Also, if we have a major weapon in Dwayne Lawson, they'll have no warning or film whatsoever.
And it won't matter because he won't see the field...
You forgot the /s
Just going to leave this here...
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/29/urban-on-braxton-hes...
Yeas, that's the rumor that will not die until the start of the season. My favorite one was the writer who listen the top 10 transfer locations for BM and included Ohio State as #10. Some of the SEC shills were positively gushing over BM transferring to Alabama. I placed little credence in the rumors since, even though I think he should try another position such as H Back, he will probably be our starting QB if he is 100% and cleared to throw.
I hope Hokie Nation shows up and turns it up for this game. I don't see a whole lot of enthusiasm in the fan base right now, and I hope that's not a sign of a quiet crowd for this one.
It is the offseason...
The great thing is, we're in their heads. They will spend the entire off season preparing for us. They are driven to put us in our place. Nothing less than domination will suffice. They are completely focused on beating us. I cannot help but think that this will backfire. We won't be who they think we are, we won't act like they think we will, we'll be ready for them because, well, we'll spend the entire off season preparing for them. We are driven to put them....
Well, anyway, the great thing is we're in their heads.
No question about it, we are definitely in their collective heads.
If you re-watch the game, notice that our guys are not in awe of anything; not the Shoe, the 107,000 fans, not the the osu players. They were there to ball and ball they did. The way our guys carried themselves made me believe that they we ready and believed they could win. (In contrast, re-watch the uva game. The hoos were the ones who were chippy and talking smack, trying to convince themselves they belonged)
I'm looking forward to the chess match that Foster has going. Meyer knows he's gonna do something, but he doesn't know what. That will be fun to watch.
Oh, when you re-watch the game notice from how many different angles Foster sent the blitz. It came from everywhere. Their QB better have his head on a swivel 'cause Bud is sending some pressure. I do worry about the mike position, but I'm sure Bud will have it covered.
Yes, we are in their heads and the onus is on them to not only beat us but to humiliate us. That is a tall order. Advantage VT.
If Brewer can keep from throwing picks and fumbling on the osu 10 we will have a shot.
After all this talk about being worked about the mike spot (myself included) watch Motuapuaka have an All-ACC season. Seems to be the way it goes.
He has the talent, no doubt. If he cuts down on his missed assignments that's exactly what is going to happen. All ACC.
The Mike position was a point of worry for me too until I thought back to the roster for last year's game. Williams had 1 start against W&M going into the OSU game and Motu has 4 starts under his belt. CBF is the master of all defensive schemes and got into UM's head last year. I know their QB's all look like Heisman candidates when they play anybody but the Hokies, but guess what? On Labor Day... They play the Hokies. Our DLine has 2 first day draft candidates at Defensive End and OSU has 1. Our D-Tackles go 3 deep at both Nose and Tackle... their OLine will not win that battle of strength or attrition... It will suck to be their center. They lose both starting WR's- one a speed merchant the other a middle of the field player who had a big Impact on the running game too... with press coverage by our two AA CB's won't affect their timing again (this time with the WR's last time with the QB)? Forget about seeing Barrett as an HBack option too. With our two DE's, UM will be playing with a double TE alignment to keep Cardale upright. Keep in mind, TOSU got better last year as no one got hurt. VT built amazing depth in all the right places (especially to face TOSU) last year as everyone got dinged up. The Hokies go into this game knowing they can beat this team and if needed there will be 63K friends there to remind them. I am anxious to see how cool Cardale is when its deep in the 4th quarter, Elliott is limping with less than 50 yards on the day and he is not sitting on a 3 score lead. It will be an awesome game.
I was worried about the LBs too, but I think we will see more of the nickel in this game as Clark is basically a third safety. Elliott is not a big bruising power back, so I think we will be in a similar set as last year and try to have our DL take up blocks and have Clark tracking the RB similar the Fullerbacker lineup we use against GT.
I'm gonna miss seeing 34 back there :-(
Dude was everywhere last year against osu.
While I agree it will be a good game and you guys will not only come to play and feel you can win, there are some things I think you are overlooking in your analysis.
First off is Elliot. His best performances came against Michigan, Wisconsin, Alabama and Oregon. While that shows that UM gained confidence in him it also points out to an OL that came together and made opportunities for him.
We lost Spencer who was a really good blocker as well as WR and our deep threat in Smith, Thomas is the real deal as is Marshall at H back an their are a lot of talented guys behind them. Our receiving corps should be good enough to challenge your CB and safeties and Vannett will keep your LB honest.
On the OL we return 5 starters who handled Alabama and Wisconsin so they will be a handful for your DL.
Our D will be a mix of experience and new starters, with Washington and Bosa anchoring it. Schutt will need to step up at NG since Washington will fill Bennett's shoes, a tall order. We're OK at safety and should be at CB as well. We need to replace Grant at LB but McMillian, Perry, and Lee are a capable bunch.
Overall, this will be a very different team than you faced last year. Our offense and defense will be more experienced and we won't be breaking in a new QB and RB. We won't be trying to figure out an offensive scheme and who can make plays. Our defense is less experienced but Washington and Bosa are pretty good anchors for the unit. Washington is returning to his previous position as a DT and will be a challenge for your O. Brewer will be pressured all night and has proven a bit mistake prone so my question to you is can he avoid turnovers or will w e get into his head and make him overly cautious? If we do, who can replace him?
You are returning a healthy team with some really good players and more experienced than last year. However, even with our problems we were in the game until the end last year and kept getting better as the year progressed; and didn't suffer a bunch of key losses so we are returning most of last year's team. We also have a lot of death so we will probably rotate a lot on D to keep guys fresh. It will be a dog fight and if you don't bring your A game you will be in trouble. I see us winning by 10 - 14 points.
Marshall is talented but far from the "real deal" as of yet. he could turn into an all American this year or could continue to just be talked up but not deliver much. 145 yards rushing and 500 yards receiving is good for a true freshmen, but we had two true freshmen with similar if not better stats ourselves. (not going to kid myself and act like we had as much talent on offense, our freshmen were the focal points at WR) As for breaking in a new QB while that may not be the case for you I think having the 3 qbs is going to be miserable to manage and it's not like any of your QBs outside of Braxton has more than a full season of starts behind them. If you guys come out and play power football it's your game to lose IMO. As for last year part of the reason you were in the game was because we imploded. The turnovers were more about awful decisions then good defense, well for at least two INTs. A 10 point win is probably how I see it for you too, but in a lower scoring affair.
Well, we were breaking in just about everybody on offense last year.
Our experience on O last year was Rogers (FB), Byrne(WR) and Mclaughlin and Gibson (OL). One TE had a little time. Just about everyone else, this was their second college start (Yeah, I know there's a few more but, not of much significance).
Look at the ESPN Impact players of the game, for us, on O, it was 2 Freshman. 2 guys taking snaps in their second college game.
Edmunds (RB) was there but recovering from a broken leg, Breaking in a new QB as well.
Our offense had an empty cupboard last year then they all got hurt. Everybody got some playing time so it's just a matter of whom recovered.
I am much more optimistic about this season.
As far as this opening game, we have some experienced guys playing this time.
When you break it down, both offenses should be better just based on experience and lack of attrition.
Our defense should be better for the same reason, while theirs suffered some losses. Though the replacements might be equivalent or better.
There's nothing that tells me that Ohio State is in any position to have a significantly greater advantage this year than they did last year. Meaning if we are able to seize control of the game and play our brand of football, we're gonna win. If we can't, we're gonna lose. Anyone setting the line at double digits is basing that on the result of the two programs' seasons last year, not on how the teams actually stack up against each other.
Have to agree. Teams don't pick up where they left off the year before. There's a different team chemistry from year to year.
I think our O line is a more cohesive unit than last year. Our RB's are stout (I like McMillan) and our WR's are no longer freshmen. The offense will have been together for more than 4 weeks. (Brewer was late in coming last year and didn't have the playbook down) How did we win?
I think Brewer will be fine back there this year. He was harassed all game long last year and did okay. Hopefully he won't throw 2 picks and fumble the ball at the osu 10. If he takes care of the ball we'll be good.
Our D will be fine. Bud will have a good scheme with lots of pressure on the their QB just like last year. Guys will be shooting gaps and bringing pressure on whoever the QB is. It will come from every angle. I think they underestimate this. They believe we got pressure on them due to a gimmick D and poor play from their O line. Baloney. We straight up kicked their arse. We had our own issues.
I see a close game and actually believe we win.
As Bud Foster said, "They don't know who we are yet."
Exactly. Nail hit on head.
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