This was me after Thomas Sirk's gut-punch two-point conversion to seal Duke's 45-43 quadruple overtime win.
That might have been y'all too.
Plenty of coaching decisions will be dissected: point chasing and flubbed onside kicks, to name a couple.
Clarity on that last kick-off: Not intended to be an on-side kick. Suppose to be squib to create a fumble. Just wasn't executed properly.— Andrew Allegretta (@AAllegretta) October 24, 2015
To cherrypick a positive, Travon McMillian (29 rushes, 142 yards and 2 TDs) was brilliant running the football.
Koma will have post-game story posted this evening.
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I finally ran out of tears....
I have some tears for fears
Tears are nature's lubricant
4FSS
i am glad we finally got the running back rotation figured out
Too bad we seemingly introduced a QB rotation in the first half.
We fans had it figured out at least a couple games before the coaches did.
Mac has really improved. The concerns I had about him as a between the tackles guy are gone. It will be interesting to see him against the physicality of BC.
Hmm....that sounds familiar.
That was the joke. Wait... that was a joke right? Please tell me that is not a real quote.
just 4 to 5 plays a game
It was one block away from working
We played well, and I'm glad to see that. Duke is a good football team.
Still sucks though
That's why it's a stomachable loss for me. I like David Cutcliff, Duke has been recruiting well, and they're a respectable program. Still, some organization needs to crank the heat up on Coach Beamer. ESPN, CBS Sports, or whoever. I mean, I love our coach, but we really need to turn a corner.
I feel ya man. Cut is a great coach, and I root for him and Duke anytime they're not playing us, and if it's doesn't affect our Coastal position (which this year is laughable--or is that cryable?)
Lol, it's both. Either way, I'm already waiting for Spring ball. I at least want to see what WR's will finally step up besides Ford and Cam.
I'm guessing three true freshmen.
Any Hokie team between 1998 and 2011 would have beaten any one if these Coach Cut Duke teams into the ground. Going away.
e x e c u t i o n
If your talking about the coaches, then I'm all for it.
(Hat Tip to John MCKay)
I'm not upset.
It was an exciting game. Defense left me wanting more
Yes, the defense left me wanting a bit. Facyson seemed to lose a few guys for big gains/touchdowns, but I'm not sure if it was him or someone else. The 58 yd TD run made me shake my head.
Thank God Bucky started to catch passes eventually or it would have been over earlier. Or, if he had caught those passes, it could have been over earlier.
I'm pretty disappointed overall with the defense. In the first quarter, they were kind of shaky, but then tightened up later on. Later in the game, however, especially in OT, they kept stacking the LOS (bear?) where Duke was able to make the quick and deadly throw. Anytime we got a stop by stacking the line like that seemed more like a fluke. Not sure why we continue to stack the line like that when the sacks just aren't coming. Our opponents are doing a great job of preparing for the pressure.
How about we were stacking the line because EVERY time the QB kept the ball and ran up the middle he got 8-10 yards. We HAD to stop that, and when we started to stop it, they did the ole toss it up and they caught it against our young DBS.
Im serious when I say Cutcliffe should be a serious candidate for vt.
He's the same age as frank...I hope they get some one younger
Tia untrue. Cut is 61. Can get a good 5-8 years out of him.
Ok Cut is 61 and Beamer is 69 so they arent exactly the same age my point is we probably want a younger hungrier coach
Our best was still not good enough. It sucks, but I need to change my mentality. We aren't supposed to win most of our football games.
I was honestly that person years ago. I repeatedly said that 10 wins was not good enough. We needed change in order to bring top 25 wins and bigger trophies. Now I have to shift my mentality to, "Losing is the standard. A win is a big deal for this program." This blows.
The problem is you take that and you build up to being something more. We stagnated as a program during the ten win season runs.
I agree with this. The program was in arm length's of the pinnacle, but could never get to the mountain top. Hindsight is 20/20 though, and hindsight bias is in play too. My guess is at the time Frank thought Beamer Co.'s blueprints were solid, and would eventually yield a national championship.
Agree. I think that he legitimately believed that they were just a few plays away from breaking through.
In some ways it was the perfect storm. Frank and company were winning ACC Championships during a time when the traditional ACC conference powers were somewhat diluted. Sprinkle in some cupcakes and everyone got the sense of what you said Joe, the blueprint was solid. Unfortunately, they never capitalized on that momentum from a recruiting or coaching perspective and turn up the wick. The traditional powers returned to their winning ways, recruiting took a downturn, and various examples of the Peter Principle played out in the organization. Changes needed to be made earlier, but the schedule allowed for 10 win seasons and the bowl streak to continue. People got paid and continued to pat everybody on the back for a job well done. That was enough to continue the belief in the blueprint. Slowly, the streaks started to dry up. By the time Frank acknowledged all this and did something about it, it was too little too late. The lack of depth and recruiting misses got too large to overcome and we have what we have today.
I truly hate this for Frank. He built something we were proud of...a feared and talented program. His stubbornness to change and adapt has led to the decay of the very program he built.
The goal of every program should be to win a National Championship. Sure it looks like we were spoiled now that we're sitting here with a truly shitty team, but nobody should be faulted for wanting more when it became obvious this program was failing to make that next step.
You can't win the National Championship every year but that doesn't mean you should grow content with anything less.
I was pretty content with winning 10 games every year.
At least the new HC will have a stacked offensive side of the ball.
Defense might be a big issue.
Actually, I'm curious about where Dadi and some others would be playing under different coaches and different schemes.
LBs probably
there was a lot of positive today, but a lot to shudder at too...
1. going for two in the third quarter
2. time management at the end of the game
3. linebacker and db play
4. substituting Edmunds for Travon on third and short TWICE
You forget "spreading out and throwing the ball 3 times in a row after your running back has been tearing through the defense".
Travon had 29 carries, not counting his receptions and other targets, along with pass protection. Remember when we were all really excited that our DEs were playing every snap and really bummed when it looked like we might have some depth so those guys can get a breather and be a bit more productive? Yeah, me neither. So why is it acceptable for DEs to get tired, but not for a RB who's getting pounded 30+ times a game? I would've liked to see more inside running myself, but I can't question the decision to sit Travon throughout the game. Dude must've been wiped by the end of 4OT.
And Sam earned his PT and carries.
Yep. Rogers did Rogers things, and it made Hokie Nation happy.
I'm not questioning his carries, he got a good amount today, but we didn't build off of it with play action passes, etc. Or at least that's what I saw....most likely our o-line can't pass block worth a damn and Loeffler didn't feel confident with them blocking long enough for the PA to set up....
We definitely ran it a few times. It just wasn't successful consistently enough to go back to it. I mean, 250 passing yards and 43 points really should have been enough to win in Lane Stadium. Plenty of places to nitpick and second-guess in a 4OT loss, but I thought the offense was doing enough to win more than the defense.
I definitely agree on that end, but it was still something worth noting I suppose...we're all just so used to blaming the offense, finding fault with the defense is a new sensation....I miss Kendall :(
only 24(?) of those points came in regulation
Duke has a legit D, nobody has scored 20 on them all year until today.. 24 in regulation is more than respectable
I agree with everything except the 2 pt. I have no problem at that point with the momentum we had. I had a problem with the play call and the personnel.
So, I'm going to Boston with some friends from college next week to see the BC game. I can't wait for us to lose that one 5-0.
I was desperately searching for something to hurl across the room without breaking anything. Only thing I could find was my tech shirt
That's why I always where my hat during the game. I can throw it at any time pretty confidently without worrying about destroying anything.
Take note - we are that fish floudering out of water at the end of the Faith No More Video from the late 80's or was it early 90's. "you want it all but you can't have it....." that tune. we are currently witnessing the death throws of the current regime.
Epic:
Did I miss something on the last drive of regulation when Cam caught the ball and went out of bounds...but the clock kept running!!!!!
Seriously, why didn't the clock stop????
Apparently they called forward progress though...you'd still think the coaches would have seen the clock running and called a timeout
Forward progress is bs, since he backed out of bounds.
The lineman should have wound is arm for the clock to continue or waved them over his head to stop the clock.
IIRC...he did neither.
The coaches should have called a timeout and gotten an explanation. No way that clock should have been running.
The way they were calling plays it was as if the coaches didn't realize the clock was running!!!
Both wing officials were garbage tonight. Rounding off spots and in that case giving a half-assed arm wind when the situation clearly required him to really sell his (correct) forward progress call. Overall, the refs tonight weren't bad from a call perspective, but mechanically they were awful.
The ref crew was complete shit tonight, but, the boundary official did wind his arm and indicate the clocks hound continue to run. I saw it from my seats in Section 7, AAA. Surely someone on-staff should have caught that as well and used a TO.
There was also some time fuckery earlier in the game where a similar thing happened but that play was on the opposite boundary so I can't say for sure what happened there.
And to top this turd cake with some crap-icing, there was ZERO giddy-up on the field. With 3 minutes and change left we were still dicking around and cross checking plays for 25 seconds a snap. No sense of situational awareness. Mind boggling. Throw in the last 67 seconds and you have a recipe for failing.
It's a common call. The HC needs to be on top of that and call the TO immediately if that clock is wound. We dropped the ball and it cost us.
Yea, seriously.
Beamer should have burned a timeout.
That was pretty inexcusable.
This call was correct. Cam's forward progress had stopped, and he was forced out before regaining his forward progress. This was a mistake on our part. We should have spiked the ball to stop the clock.
There was a game a few years back where Iowa lost the game in this scenario - it's been seared in my memory since then.
And, because we have a long history of being derpy with time management in end-game scenarios, I watch for this stuff like a hawk.
I remember that game. The ball should have been spiked!
Yea I believe they said it was forward progress, but that whole drive was baffling. Why not take the timeout instead of wasting 35 seconds after mcmillian's run? Why not take the timeout when they saw the clock was still running after cam's catch? Nope let's just get 2 plays off in a minute and then call the timeout with 2 seconds left to set up the chip-shot 67 yard field goal that we totally had a chance at making.
That is literally word for word what I was screaming at my wife, the TV, and my dog. Whoever would listen. I seriously thought the coaches had all fallen asleep and then woke up just in time to call TO and in their still half asleep state, decided to try a 67 yard FG to win the game. Maddening.
The 67 yard FG attempt didn't cost us the game but that was the single worst coaching decision since Coale's fake punt in the sugar bowl. Have you never seen the kick6? That's the one play of the game you needed Motley. It's the year of the Hail Mary, throw it up.
Eh, he's made it in practice, so it's probably about as likely he'd make it as it would be for us to complete a Hail Mary. And that's without factoring in pass protection issues we've had all year.
The Beamer faked a FG against ncsu because he realized all the bad things that can happen on blocked FGs. Duke had a better chance scoring on that play than we did.
Considering it's something he's done before in practice, I'm ok with the decision. Both teams had very low chances of scoring, so it's not like it really matters anyways.
He has zero chance of making that kick in that situation. Zero. Mind numbing my bad decision.
"You did the thing with a 3% chance of success instead of the thing with a 7% chance of success." Again, both things are unlikely enough that I can't really get worked up about it. Clock management was the bigger issue there, along with officiating mechanics.
Motley threw it that far in a game, at Purdue. Give Bucky and ford a chance to make the play. It's not likely to win you the game, but to kick a low FG attempt that could easily be blocked AND give the best KR guy in the league a chance to Auburn you is really, really poor decision making.
It's the worst single decision Frank has made since giving Coale the green light.
Seriously, they're BOTH pretty low odds things.
You mean scoring like this:
Those coaches must be really terrible, and not be aware of the odds of a play like that.
Oh, wait...
Honestly, the offense held their own tonight but the defense let us down
Again
I think Bud just coached himself out of our head coaching position this season
Buds coaching this year has been underwhelming, but you can't understate how small and under talented we are on defense. The DL is tiny compared to most programs. The LBs? Don't even get me started. The secondary was overrated to begin with and losing fuller really exposed it. I've never seen a secondary rely on getting away with face guarding and not playing the football like Tech did last year. We were trading on buds reputation coming into this year and we bottomed out.
Oh yeah, and the OL sucks!
But being small and under talented on defense is on Bud. It is his responsibility to bring the needed size and talent into the program. It has just taken a few years for the sub-par LB and DL recruiting to reach a breaking point.
I've seen the face guarding mentioned several times on this website. Is that really the technique we are teaching? Is that allowed in college and the NFL?
Which is a design of the Bud defense
It has been exposed and figured out
I wouldn't say the DL has been exposed, they just aren't finishing plays, The entire D could use a a refresher course in tackling
I feel that the defensive line scheme is more a result of the available parts. If We had DTs and DEs that were big and physical enough to press an OLman and read/react, I think you would see less of the designed gap shooting that we've seen over the past few seasons. I could be way off on this as I didn't really start paying attention to our defensive schemes until recently and Bud may have been using this for years. Either way, it's clearly not working this year, but I don't think we need to remove Bud from HC discussion just because of this season.
One thing is for sure, the D Line has regressed. There was a reason they were considered our strength preseason--they'd actually had success last year PLUS were getting Big Lu back.
I don't understand now this season how they go game after game with zero QB pressure, much less a sack.
Per Bitter's blog, VT is getting QB pressure on almost 40% of opponent plays. They just let up enough big plays on 3rd and long to cancel all that out
Hard to believe. Wonder if that's weighted by Purdue and Furman. And even so, I wonder how that number stacks up to other teams in the acc?
WE DEFINITELY need a new coach that is:
1) Under the age 45 with Dabo-like energy/enthusiasm
2) An offensive fricking genius
3) Moral enough to not embarrass the school
sure, i'll take chad morris!
I'm not even mad, and hats the worst part.
Left the house at halftime to go to a friends going away party. My wife's boss kept coming up to me asking about te game because he knows I am a big fan. I think he was honestly more interested in the result than I was.
I used to let it ruin my day. Now I just expect to not beat P5 competition.
From a big picture standpoint, I'm a 33 year old alum with means that has no interest in providing more financial commitment to this program than currently. I can't imagine how an entire graduating class feels that has seen slop for their entire matriculation.
I'd rather butt fuck a porcupine than continue to stomach more losses.
I'm not so sure I want to see that
But I may change my mind...
If anyone is wondering why the field goal wasn't a good idea, i hope you were tuned into the Florida State game just now. Blocked 56 yard field goal returned for a TD by GT to win
That gave Michigan State/Michigan a run for its money.
At least Aguayo stood a fucking chance of making a 56 yarder. He's the best kicker in the country. And it's not sixtyfuckingseven yards.
You just don't want returns against your kicker, punter and 9 backup linemen. We handled it well, but it was still stupid.
When Slye trotted out, I said, "This is a fake." Made sense. Already tried the idiotic onside-that-wasn't-an-onside kick, so why not go for a fake on the last play?
Why Slye kicked it I literally said, "You've got to be fucking kidding me."
The ball is at midfield!!! Motley threw a ball 65 yards in the air against Purdue. You have Bucky Hodges!
It was just such a desperation move. Beamer tracks everything, I bet it didn't say in the game plan "Slye: good to 67 yards." That's a decision you make beforehand.
I honestly wouldn't even call it desperation. I don't think Beamer believed for one second he'd make it. I think it was more a capitulation by Frank that he had no fucking clue what to do.
i was thinking the same thing...This is a fake we have held up our sleeve but we were both wrong..Prehaps a battle of wits?
This was a painful loss. I love the Hokies, win or lose, and I ask that all of you root your asses off for these kids for the rest of this season.
I know we are all #sauces and #marinades around here, and I will never post anything unless I feel comfortable saying it. But this is a #roux at this point. I will say this: buy every UNC game ticket you can. Come out in force, fill up Lane, and make it raucous. This may be the last time we see a Beamer coached team in Lane. Get tickets now, and come cheer the hell out of the orange and maroon.
If we win out we are a 7 win program
How is that acceptable anymore for this football program
Sorry, Beamer had to go. He has to. And all of our current coaches have to go with him.
It reminds me of a Tony Danza movie from like 25 years ago, She's Out of Control. Movie was terrible, only thing I remember is he works for a radio station and in the beginning they're #6 in the LA market, out of like 95. He goes "There's 89 other stations that are DYING to be in our place." He sucks at life and they drop through out the movie til the end, when it's like "There's 2 other stations that are DYING to be in our place." Then I think he gets fired.
It's all about how well someone sells adjusted expectations. Frank is selling the hell out of shitty football. That can only go on for so long, particularly when it affects your bottom line, as numerous people above have already indicated it has.
This has been a very special Life Lessons, with Tony Danza.
I thought the OL actually did pretty good today. They were not what got us beat. Conte had some head scratchers but overall I give them a B. Again lefty logic at critical moments but us. The d overall was horrible. DB who? Alexander was a liability today multiple times!it seemed.
Not sure if you know this but HNNNNG is usually used when describing the sound of an instaboner. So, not really for this situation haha.
My boners rarely sound like a cat struggling with a deep rooted hairball, though.
I always thought it meant that someon was taking a mammoth shit.
Nah, in terms of popular internet colloquia, it means instaboner.
Huh.
You know, watching us shit turd the punch bowl in quad OT doesn't exactly inspire me a instaboner.