This is the release from Miami:
University of Miami Director of Athletics Blake James announced today that he has relieved Head Football Coach Al Golden of his duties effective immediately. Assistant coach Larry Scott will serve as the Interim Head Coach for the remainder of the 2015 season.
"Coach Golden has led our program through some very difficult times and he has done so with class, integrity and a true desire to see our students succeed on the field, in the classroom and in the community." James said. "However, we have a proud tradition of excellence at Miami, not just in football but in all sports, and we want to compete for ACC and national championships. I simply believe that now is the time to bring the Hurricane Family together and rally behind our young men."
Golden was 32-25 in his five seasons at the helm of the UM program and led the Canes to two bowl games in 2013 and 2014.
"On behalf of my family I want to thank the University of Miami for a tremendous opportunity," Golden said. "I believe in what we are doing and how we are doing it and we have some outstanding young men in our football program. Though this moment is difficult, we wish the Canes the best of luck going forward."
Scott has served as the tight ends coach and run game coordinator for the past three seasons at Miami, after spending eight seasons at the University of South Florida.
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Surprised the AD didn't come down and can him during the game yesterday.
He was probably typing up his speech for the press release.
Wow, and there it is. No real surprise, I suppose.
FTFY
So many da U orgasms going on right meow, lucky bastards
4FSJ
Saved for use after we lose Frank.
George O'Leary stepped down as HC today also.
HC jobs open as of 1900 hrs: Miami, Illinios, USCe, USCw, UCF, North Texas, Maryland.
It really is incredible when you step back and think there could be others when the season is over.
Purdue, VT, UGA, Tenn, Auburn, KSU, Kansas , Ark, Indinia, Iowa State, UVA just to name a few potentials.
Personally I think Oregon should/could be on this list
I think he is on next years list along with GT, Vandy, OK, TX if they don't improve a lot this year and if they start off badly next year.
Yeah, you don't get fired a year after you play for a national championship and lose your heisman trophy QB. Oregon hasn't been Oregon this year, but they at least haven't been hot garbage, from what I've seen.
This is sound logic, but it also looks like the cupboard is relatively bare at QB for Oregon. They don't have anyone ready to play. And it doesn't look like they'll have anyone to play any time soon.
I could be totally wrong about Oregon, and you may be right that it's just a down year after losing their QB, but I think it looks awfully similar to the beginning of a swoon for that program.
Don't tell that to Gene Chizik, even though it was only two years for him
Nah, GT's gonna pull 8 wins out of their butt next year and save CPJ's job for yet another year.
Don't know about Auburn....They'd be silly to fire Gus.
Tennessee isnt firing Butch Jones. At the very earliest its next year. Were 4 plays from being 7-0. We should still finish 8-4. If youre just looking at the records its easy to miss. If youve been watching, were loaded with young talent that will be sophomores and juniors next season. Mel kiper called us the best 3-4 team in the history of college football.
I don't think they fire him either I think he leaves because Tenn finishes with less than 8 wins and people just won't except that and he gets a better job offer.
He's not leaving, or being run off. That said, if he wins less than 8 it's a failure of a season. Our schedule is traditonally front heavy, it's why we always have such good November records. Next year was always the big breakout year, we could have been a year early but missed some opportunities for a few reasons. Coaching cost us 2 games, but even despite that, a decent kicker has us at 7-0 too. We aren't really the fickle fans the national media paints us to be, we've waited for 10 years to come get back to where we were, we're about 9 months away.
I set a calendar appointment on my phone. We'll reconvene then to see how things are going and talk about how we want to proceed.
I have no doubt that Tennessee is better than their record, but Mel Kiper also said this about JaMarcus Russell:
I regard him as one of the most useless talking heads on ESPN, and that's saying a lot.
The coaching carousel for coaches this offseason is going to be EA sports-esque.
3 Big Ten jobs, 1/2 SEC jobs, 2/3 ACC jobs at least one PAC job, any in Big 12? ALOT OF group of 5 jobs.
If WV doesn't get things turned around, I could see Holgo getting the boot.
The equivalent of "the Vikings have moved to Toronto" in Madden.
Recruiting is going to be crazy this year.
Kids who are committed to schools who have already lost their coach are looking around, then kids committed to programs that will lose their coach as a new hire to the first schools will be looking. Not to mention all the assistants that are going to be moving around. Recruiting is already wild, but I think it gets turned up a notch this year.
Let's see if Whit moves swiftly enough to get VT on the right end of some recruiting battles
I remember getting offers every time my VT went to the title or got 11 wins, and was like "if I wanted to coach at Alabama, I would have picked Alabama in the first place...this is a video game, I can do that."
I accepted an offer from Auburn once. Played 3 games, said screw it, and started a new VT dynasty.
biggest frustration right now is a couple seasons after winning the previous season's NC and going undefeated my team only gets ranked top5 and misses the BCS Championship. #secbias
I've noticed this too. You have to basically blow out everyone you play to make it to number 1.
#stylepoints
I played as Duke in NCAA 11 to see if it was possible to get them to the top, and it took two or three undefeated seasons to get to the national championship.
#$ECbias
Yeah, I might get scolded for this, but I'm currently playing NCAA 13 (lost my copy of 14) as Arizona. Rich Rod is in his first year there. I have updated rosters, and the highest rated player on Tech is a 90 (Vince Painter somehow). When Tech's season tanks (they lost the opener to GT), I'm going to hope I get offered that job and take over Tech. Gonna see how everything plays out by letting the CPU control Tech entirely till I get the job.
Golden to VT? /s
you stop.
We could do worse.
Yeah about that; Hell No!.
If you want to know what was Al Golden's down fall, it was because he wouldn't can his best buddy in the world, Mark D'Onofrio as his DC at Miami. Even though the defense was atrocious, he stayed loyal to his friend, even at the cost of his team's chances of winning. Does this sound familiar?
Really two bowl games and 32-25????
And VT is 36-25, over that same stretch. And yet we continue to stay the course.
Having won bowl games helps a bit.
And we have beated LOLUVA many years in a row. Miami hasn't beaten FSU under Golden
Lol quite the different animal we're comparing here....
Golden has lost to UVA multiple times. That is more telling of the state of Miami's program under Golden, than the fact he went 0-5 against FSU.
#Whatevs. I didn't say I wanted him to be our HC, just trying to say we could do worse, as in a guy without integrity who also loses.
Al Golden back to UVA.
That shirt and tie look would fit in.
He already has a orange tie
But is he really smug enough?
If only our staff would step up and state the plan. No need to keep it secret. I would personally sign a check if they would just do it all ready
Hopefully you are signing checks already for the Hokie Club if you want a quality hire.
Nicely played.
That's what we need, a big distraction when we are on the verge of missing a bowl game.
Verge.. yes it still possible, but that ship is sailing very fast.
If they want to make that announcement mid season it needs to be only after we are no longer bowl eligible.
I see your point. I just don't think this team has enough heart or enough coaching to win 3 more.
We will see soon enough.
When is it our turn?
So wierd. Haha.
#Abed4HC
Butch, Schiano, Cristobal, and the usual suspect of Group of Five HCs.
And Dana Hologram, of course.
Nope my money stopped after the 2011 ACC champ game. (Wasn't a super donor but did enough to maintain golden hokie status). You don't award the school for mediocracy and ignoring it. The school is not hurting for money. Whit knows that making a investment now, could bring in bigger money later. Do you blinding invest in a company who keeps the head chief but profits tumble and stock price tumble..... No. But if that company picks a person who you know will turn it around, then you will maybe take a chance and reinvest. I know this is a extreme case but when apple rehired Steve Jobs, I bought as much stock as I could afford... and I am not regretting it
So you don't donate and haven't for years but I'm sure you have an opinion about who should be hired right? VT is not exactly rolling in the money especially if you want a big hire and keep expanding the staff. This also is not a business Im "investing" in the kids playing, the game experience and the future.
Compared to the teams we expect VT to compete with in football AND basketball, VT is certainly not rolling in money.
Did I say anywhere that we were rolling in the money. I said we are not hurting for money. We had the highest paid assistant last year and the 9th overall payroll for assitance. (yes i know this includes buds big payday)
We had the highest paid assistant last year and the 9th overall payroll for assitance. (yes i know this includes buds big payday)
So in your comment you admit that you've used an invalid statistic.
I'm just sayin'.
How is it invalid. The hokies ponied up to keep Bud around. The prove they are willing to spend money. They could of easily of let him go elsewhere. And resigned him to a pretty sweet deal.
It's invalid in that you're comparing a one-time retention bonus to yearly salaries, and inferring from that that he's the top paid coach, and that the assistants are the 9th highest paid. That figure is inflated by a one-time bonus. He's not the highest paid assistant, and VT isn't the 9th highest paid group of assistants.
I don't think he's badly paid, but that particular number is inflated.
Edit: corrected the placement of Bud and his assistants
You are missing the point. Its completely valid. They are willing to spend money to keep top coaches. If VT didn't care about winning at football do you think that would of happened?
I don't doubt they are willing to spend money. Also for basketball.
But part of the money they need comes from contributions to the Hokie Club.
EDIT:
They aren't swimming in the kind of dough they need. They have some money, but they're running a tight ship compared to top programs with a LOT more money.
They're trying to be a top 25 team with top 42 money.
You're entitled to donate, or not to donate. Your call. I don't want to tell someone else how they should donate.
But I don't think much of you coming on here and saying:
a) they don't need more money to compete with other top teams in the FBS, or
b) they'll never be a top team.
Them's fighting words.
They're also illogical. You want a top 25 or top 15 team, but don't want to contribute? Where do you think Ohio State and Alabama funds come from? Supporters.
Wins bring fans, and fans bring dollars. Dollars bring good facilities and coaches. Good facilities and coaches bring talented recruits. Talented recruits bring wins.
btw... Foster was the top paid assistant last year not 9th... The overall staff was 9th.... Unfortunately folks are not willing to pay for a inferior product.. The only way to get change is thru the pocket book. Look at Bama thru the the 90s and early 00s.... Thier donations were way down. Look what winning did. The good news is Whit has a more modern mindset. He knows to get the money rolling in he needs to get a good hire.
You just aren't a real fan.
you got me. Got my BS MS and started PHD...Donated for over 15 years. Season Ticket holder.... ...I still go to games. And donate to the Engineering department. Yep I'm no hokie.
I'm upvoting because of all the misinterpreted sarcastica.
Correct, it's a tongue-in-cheek play on the No real Scottsman fallacy.
You are off base.
First I said we do have money to spend.... We are not hurting..... However I agree more money is better. And to get more money the need to make a change sooner than later. I said I would start to donate again with a change. You know the saying....... doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Well thats what several of you are saying... College football is a business, as much as most don't want to hear it. Its even gotten worse...... You can thank ESPN and the SEC for that. Results matter.... Results bring money.
2nd, I didn't say they would never be a top team. I said if you expectation are for Bama money or OSU money then its ain't happening. But we easily could approach 100 mil and be a top 25 Rev school.
I'm not off-base, but thanks for clarifying your position.
What exactly is your point?
You said this:
Nope my money stopped after the 2011 ACC champ game. (Wasn't a super donor but did enough to maintain golden hokie status). You don't award the school for mediocracy and ignoring it.
and this:
You you seem to refuse to understand... is...... donations will increase, endorsements will increase with actually winning football games. Money is tied to winning.... Not losing....
2011 was an 11-win season. VT went to a BCS bowl on an at-large bid, where they lost to Michigan in OT (on a botched play review).
You also said that VT has enough money to hire a good coach, but you agreed they could use more.
So I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.
The 2011 season was an embarrassment to Hokie football. Not one but two blowouts to Clemson. And a botch coaching decision... Not a dropped pass cost of that game. We shouldn't of gotten the at large-bid.... but thanks to our fans (not team) we got a bid.
Yes we do have enough money to hire a good coach. I'm not backing down on that one.
But of course more money is better. Did I ever say more was not better. Love how the two of you try to read between the lines and jump to conclusions. I just said we are not HURTING for money... So Not sure your point. How is one to argue.... Hey man..... I wish I had less money.... My points are rational, yours are emotional and you are really reaching just like firedude.
Let me repeat my points. Which somehow you tried to twist
Point one is we will spend money to get a good coach. Regardless of our current financial situation. Which is not horrible.
Point two is a new hire will bring in more money.... If that hire wins.... it will bring in more money.
The 2011 season was an 11-win season that culminated in both an ACC Championship game and a BCS-bowl. They'd have WON that bowl if not for a bad call on a review (Danny Coale caught that ball.)
Yes, I was also mad that they didn't do better against Clemson, and that they got robbed at the Sugar Bowl, but that's not a mediocre season.
If they had LESS money, they'd have even less ability to pay the next coach.
If you're saying to stopped donating because you didn't want to support Beamer, I can't really argue with that. That's certainly your call. That botched punt with Danny Coale was a head-scratcher.
But 2011 wasn't a mediocre team.
Again reading what you want to read. Did I say it was a mediocre season? No I said it was an embarrassment. Getting taken to the woodshed twice by the same team. Then our coaching making a horrible fake punt call. The game should of never came down to overtime. That was the beginning of the end of Hokie football.
You said this:
Nope my money stopped after the 2011 ACC champ game. (Wasn't a super donor but did enough to maintain golden hokie status). You don't award the school for mediocracy and ignoring it.
I may have misunderstood what you meant by "mediocracy".
Again.... there you go not reading things correctly. I know this is a message board.. But man you just misinterpret everything. the mediocracy was for 10 seasons of ole shucks... we will get them next time... But at least we won 10 games.... You think I pulled funding for one season.... It was all the seasons of not fixing issues with the team. and hiding behind 10 win seasons......2011 was icing on the cake. You think the media took us seriously. How many times did we see espn advocating against us in the rankings. Like I said you keep on reading and misunderstanding what I wrote to attempt to prove a failed point. People like you is why VT football is where it is now. I expect better. Not status quo. Ignoring long standing issues does not get rewarded.
How not to make friends or promote civil discussion, the post.
Being called not a real hokie.. Is how not to make friends. Getting called out because I stopped donating to the team is how not to make friends. Even though those funds now go to the engineering department.
An eye for an eye turns the whole thread into a flame war.
Never meant it to become a flame war. But I was making rationale points, were others are using their emotions. And taking things out of context or total misunderstanding a statement to try to appear right. However these are opinions. I have mine, which a large amount of folks are jumping on. And they have theirs. We will never agree.
All good in the hood...shoot me a dm on twitter...
beergutvt2 wrote
Again.... there you go not reading things correctly. I know this is a message board.. But man you just misinterpret everything. the mediocracy was for 10 seasons of ole shucks... we will get them next time... But at least we won 10 games.... You think I pulled funding for one season.... It was all the seasons of not fixing issues with the team. and hiding behind 10 win seasons......2011 was icing on the cake. You think the media took us seriously. How many times did we see espn advocating against us in the rankings. Like I said you keep on reading and misunderstanding what I wrote to attempt to prove a failed point. People like you is why VT football is where it is now. I expect better. Not status quo. Ignoring long standing issues does not get rewarded.
That's a valid opinion, but you weren't particularly clear in providing it. I'm sure you're not the only one that feels that way. The Clemson losses (twice) in 2012 were certainly eye-openers. I don't think VT was mediocre, but it was pretty clear that some changes needed to be made if VT was going to win against top teams. The offense was not up to par. VT never turned the corner on recruiting.
BTW, I didn't say you weren't a Hokie, or weren't a fan.
You might be right, that people enabled some mediocrity in the name of wins. They also made some stringent demands for change after 2012. I think after all Beamer has done for VT, he deserved that opportunity. We gave it to him, and now here we are.
I completely respect Beamer and what he has done. My problem with Beamer is the lack of accountability, if he would of admitted to some faults, I believe the fans would of been a lot more forgiving.
The changes after 2012 brought us more blah...... of course we hire Auburns failed OC. A guy who would follow beamers orders. And we keep Stinespring employed and he gets to sit in the booth. At least we have some skill players this year.
To be fair, VT's offense is now better than it's defense.
yep, we have talent there. For first time in awhile. Though I question some choices they made in the early part of the season. They finally have it figured out. Defense wise... injuries and poor recruiting have finally caught up. Bud just doesn't have the personal to work with his man coverage or zone blitzes....
How is an 11-win season an embarrassment to a football program? And when it was only the second time we'd achieved 11 wins in the regular season?
This reasoning is why we are in the situation we are in. If you don't see it... Then you are just blind.... How many 10 win seasons did VT have in a row... Who hid behind this as a reasoning not to change stale staff. Who couldn't beat the big boys? It doesn't mean anything if you don't cash in... There were too many big losses even during that run. The 2011 was just icing on the cake for failure of VT in big games. It was an embarrassment.
VT got robbed in the 2012 Sugar Bowl. You can't say they didn't deserve to be there, because they lost in OT on a bad play review.
The losses to Clemson were pretty painful to watch, however.
Well you have to admit we got in because of our fanbase. The other options may have not traveled as well. VT had the game in regulation.... But some very horrible decisions force that game to OT. It should of never come to that.
However they got there, they were certainly as good as Michigan.
They were better than Michigan. Hence my disappointment and embarrassment.
Bonus or whatever, it was $ paid to a coach.
Right, but it distorts where VT's payroll is on the list.
Bud isn't the highest paid assistant.
No it doesn't.. It shows that the school will pay money.. Why don't you understand that. If the school is willing to give a big pay day every 4 years... Then its paying every 4 years.....
Feel free to average it out, and you'll be making a proper comparison.
Well you fail to see the point. Only can lead the horse so far. Its not about averages. Those big payouts are commitments.
wow....do you ever fact check what you say?
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-foster-contract-...
literally the headline of the article: Virginia Tech makes Foster among nation's highest-paid defensive coordinators
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
wait, who is that at #1?
compensation is compensation. Whether it's a one time signing bonus, retention bonus, annual salary, annual bonus, extra vacation days, paid sick leave.... it is all compensation. When compared to peers that do not have these things it means you are being compensated well beyond those peers.
He may in fact be receiving 900k annually with salary plus retention but with all guaranteed compensation included, which is in fact how compensation is calculated, it puts Foster at the top.
Are you talking to me, or my counterparts arguing with me. I said he was number 1. But it was his payout that put us at #9 overall for our staff.
definitely not you.
Foster is not the highest compensated defensive coordinator in the country. He made that list as the highest paid defensive coordinator because of a retention bonus during the year of the survey. If you average that out yearly, you'll find that Bud isn't the highest on the list. That's why the title says Foster is AMONG the highest coordinators, but doesn't declare him as the highest compensated DC. Other DCs also get retention bonuses.
Even in the article, it says:
"We don't have the budget to go be the highest," Babcock told reporters Saturday regarding Foster's contract
He's among the highest compensated coordinators, but he's not the top one.
Everyone's argument: VT will pay well to keep good people as evidenced with Bud's contract making him a high paid assistant, and in fact one time highest paid assistant. A fact that can and has been proven. No one is saying he has consistently been the top paid DC in the country every year. What they are saying is that VT paid Bud very well to stay, and he did, which proves that when necessary the school finds the money it needs to.
Your argument that misses the point everyone is making: No he wasn't, because I say so.
You're mischaracterizing what I said, and don't warrant a response, but I'll give you one anyway.
What I said was that Bud isn't the highest-paid Defensive Coordinator, and I explained why the statistic you referenced might mislead someone who wasn't particularly alert to believe that he is.
Not because I said so, but for the reason I provided, above.
In the context of the bigger discussion, the fact that Bud is the highest paid defensive coordinator was used to prove that VT has plenty of money.
For sure, VT has money. But not the most money compared to the top programs in the NCAA.
And to make sure we're perfectly clear, I'm certain VT is willing to pay what it costs for a good football coach. I took issue with the implication that VT had plenty of money without his donation. Donations are critical to the program, even if one disagrees with the coaching decisions. As pointed out somewhere in this discussion, donations can be more than ticket sales.
and we're back to you being mischaracterized. that didn't take long.
no one said he has been the highest paid forever. They stated he was in 2014. that's a proven fact. It is hard money paid to a VT assistant made specifically in regards to the conversation that VT has shown that it will pay money to keep good people. You say that this payment somehow is not applicable because it is not a reflection of his annual salary, which makes no sense. Vt paid him money. that's compensation. It counts.
I think everyone has stated clearly that they understand that was a single year payout, so how is that misleading anyone? everyone clearly states that fact.
No one said VT has plenty of money or as beergut stated clearly above, that VT was "rolling in money". Rather their point, and mine, is that when faced with the prospect of needing to find money for good staff they have done so. It happened with Bud and it happened before with the whole staff when Beamer didn't take the job at UNC, as I recall.
You say: "For sure, VT has money. But not the most money compared to the top programs in the NCAA."
This is exactly what everyone has been saying to you. You just seem to want to obtusely argue against people. go back and read what they said. It is exactly this.
Fernley,
I pointed out that if one wants to compare coaches salaries, one has to compare apples to apples. Special compensation like retention bonuses have to be averaged out over the years being compared if you want to know who is actually the highest paid. I didn't say that a retention bonus didn't "count". What I said was that you have account for it correctly to draw a valid comparison of how well various schools compensate their assistants.
If the point you want to make is that VT is willing to pay a football coach, then we're all in agreement on that. There is no reason to debate that. If someone points out that Bud is the highest paid assistant, and that the VT assistants are the 9th highest paid, I feel it's incumbent on someone to point out that that statistic is affected by a special retention bonus.
Fernley said: This is exactly what everyone has been saying to you. You just seem to want to obtusely argue against people.
Everyone hasn't been saying anything to me. I was having a discussion with VTBeergut. Seems to me that you jumped in for no particularly good reason except to to try and "prove" me wrong. You didn't.
I think you add a lot to this forum, and I appreciate your commentary. However, I invite you not to respond to my comments any more if you can't do it in a respectful way.
We agree to disagree on the a matter. I a lot of people believe it counts. you don't... There no convincing you otherwise. I do believe (and others have noticed) that you have mischaracterized or misunderstood some of my statements. Some of that is just the fact we are communicating in written words on a message board (which doesn't flow cleanly), some of it is I was coming off as a a$$*^* and some of it is just you feel strongly about your opinion. He was the highest paid for 2014 that cannot be argued.
He's in the top 10 for 2015 and his salary will grow plus incentives. Did you ever think VT would be paying an assistant consistently around 1 mil. He's in the ballpark of schools like Bama, Georgia, LSU (you know the big boys). Schools with significantly more money than us. From a % wise relative to our Rev that shows me we will spend. We have money. This has and is my argument, it proves a school with about 50% of the Rev of some of these big time programs is willing and capable of spending big bucks. Just believe whit will get us there.
Food for thought VT is still paying both of their previous basketball coaches still.
Buds Comp is in the ballpark of schools like Bama, Georgia, LSU (you know the big boys). Schools with significantly more money than us. From a % wise relative to our Rev that shows me we will spend. We have money. This has and is my argument...... it proves a school with about 50% of the Rev of some of these big time programs is willing and capable of spending big bucks of those big schools. We aint going to spend 7 mil.... but 3-5 mil is reasonable. Just believe whit will get us there.
I don't disagree with that, but VT isn't exactly advantaged in that arms race. They, like the other programs on the list, require our donations to get there.
VT will be competing for coaches with UMD, UVa, Maryland, USCe and others who will likely both be well-funded as well.
If you remember how we got here, you were saying that smart investors invest in good stock. VT is good stock, but it will take the support of lots of people for them to compete with "the big boys". I think VT is an undervalued stock right now. I prefer for people to continue to donate even if they disagree with coaching decisions, and to voice their discontent in other ways.
VT is a good job, for reasons I've already mentioned. If VT can pay competitive salaries (and I think we agree they will), VT will be able to compete with the top teams in the FBS. I have every reason to believe Whit understands this, and can get us there.
There are no exclusive, private, conversations here. Everyone is welcome to engage in discussion and debate if they have something to add, question, or challenge.
Come on now. You guys have obviously gone back and forth on a lot of things recently, but I haven't seen anything disrespectful (if a bit strongly worded - on both sides) and this "just don't talk to me" thing is ridiculous. This is a discussion forum. If you don't want to engage him in debate, stop replying to his posts. There are plenty of people around here who have simply decided to stop debating with various people, but there's no need for this kind of attitude, especially if this and this are what you consider "respectful."
I didn't ask for a moderator to jump in, I asked Fernley not to call me obtuse. It doesn't seem an unreasonable request.
He's a mod, for this site, and will jump in when needed...you don't have to ask for him to come into the discussion.
VTGuitarman is both a mod AND a participant.
I have no problem with him jumping in, and I find his opinions to be good ones.
I appreciate that.
I agree with many of the points you've made in this debate and elsewhere, just wanted to nip the potential spat in the bud here. Carry on and go Hokies.
As the moderator, I can jump in wherever I like.
I am asking you to also show respect when you ask it of others. Declaring yourself victorious on this thread and others, including the condescending Wonka quote, does not reflect a desire to be respectful.
Point taken.
That was probably unnecessary. To be fair, though, I had taken that debate with Fernley down to one character per line.
they have to be averaged out why? Because you say so? that's a nice point of view but just because you say something it doesn't mean me or anyone must simply accept it. What beergut said was 100% correct. In 2014 Bud was the highest paid assistant. I don't have to prove you wrong, facts prove you wrong. The usatoday website (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant) is used by journalists throughout college football.
But ok, let's look at it annually. From TSL: http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-content/2015/01/04/details-of-bud...
Now let's look at how that fits in 2015: http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/sec-dominates-list-of-assi...
So he is still top 10. That's damn good. So what exactly is your point to argue so much?
I may not agree with the ease to which beergut is saying we can get so much money, but in this at least he is factual.
beergut's unique prose aside, he mentioned repeatedly that you were not understanding his point and that this was in fact his point. So if as you say there is no reason to debate that, then again, why do so?
I know you feel I am picking on you, and maybe I am a bit, but I appreciate when people say things factually. And if they have a differing point of view they bring some sort of demonstrative evidence/source that validates that point of view. Otherwise just state that "in your opinion" you believe what you believe, and not simply expect everyone to accept what you say at face value.
Where did I say that Bud wasn't highly paid? I pointed out that he isn't the HIGHEST paid. I also acknowledged that he is well compensated. It takes purposeful twisted logic to take that out of context.
Yes, he was the highest paid in 2014. That was because of a retention bonus. It doesn't make him the highest paid, even if he's in the top 10.
In particular, I've pointed out when you've misused a statistic, or used one that isn't relevant to try and strengthen a point. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. You've misused a few, and I've pointed it out when you did.
"It's not my problem if you can't parse English, or if you choose to troll me when you think you can win an argument, as I've bested you in a few lately. "
If you think you have "bested" anyone, than you are not really having good-natured discussions or respectful dialogue. You are arguing for the sake of winning and to have your on opinions validated while shitting on the opinions of others. Agreeing to disagree is reasonable and respectful. Declaring yourself the winner in a debate, especially when you go back days later to do so and get in the last word is most assuredly not.
Good point. I felt trolled, and I pointed out why I thought that happened.
However, I'm not shitting on anyone's opinion. I'm defending mine from being taken out of context or distorted.
If you take the time to actually read my comments, I think you'll find I'm pretty fair with someone if they make a valid point.
You did make fair points. You also misunderstood some comments as well. But thats the nature of a message board.
"If you take the time to actually read my comments"
Spare me. Are you insinuating that I, or any other poster, respond to posts without actually reading them? "Taking the time to read" any post takes but a few seconds as no one is posting War and Peace on here. Perhaps if you "took the time" to consider the condescending tone of some your comments and thought how you would react if someone responded to you in the manner that you employ, you may find that your opinions would be less likely to be taken out of context or distorted. At some point, one must realize that if something continually happens to them, then they just may be part of the problem.
Can someone please post the abandon thread gif for me. Thanks.
Take your pick:
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Sorry about that. The "if you actually took the time to read my comments" phrase is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. It just comes off as so insulting and condescending while trying to play matyr. I'll stop posting on this thread. Whether or not the other guy comes back a few days later to post another "you lose!" post is up to him.
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Very well stated!
Who are you fooling, this is absolutely a business don't be naive. College football is big money. You are investing the game experience? You mean the experience of losing home football games. (How many have we won in the last 3 years?) The experience of watching coaching incompetence. The experience of hearing coaches throw players under the bus for not excuting?
I don't have an opinion on who should be hired. But I do know Beamer is no longer the answer. VT does have money. That don't have OSU and Bama money, but they have money to pay 3-4 mil a year.
According to this:
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Virginia Tech is #42 in terms of revenues.
Are you happy with that placement?
Out of 230 teams. Again Show they are not hurting money. They are not Bama or OSU....
There are only 128 FBS football teams.
If you want the number 42 team in the country, their revenues are in line with what you want.
If we want something better, they'll be depending on some donations.
EDIT: I don't mean to be argumentative, but let's be honest about it.
Ok lets do it by FBS.... That means that VT is in the top 67% of FBS. Again not tops, but not hurting for money. They up it by 10 mil (Easy to get to if they make a change) top 75%... my point being... the top 15 are the real big spenders.... The others are kind of bunch together. We could easily approach top 25.... but we will never have Bama/OSU/Oregon status.
Easy to get an extra 10 million from where???
You you seem to refuse to understand... is...... donations will increase, endorsements will increase with actually winning football games. Money is tied to winning.... Not losing....
LOL downvote me.. But then we have this article..
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/columns_and_blogs/blogs/andy_bitter_virgin...
What exactly in that article backs up your point?
yep it does. First the expectation is to be a 100 million dollar program. And the program was able to increase by 10 mil over 4 years and 25 over 7 years. I was challenged about how we could increase by 10 mil. Well we did it in the past. Of course this was over the winning years from 2005-2012. We've been flat since there. Winning brings in money. A investment in a new coach will bring in money. If he wins it will bring in even more.
The increases mostly came from increased TV revenue and monies from the ACC.
Some of it could of..... but not all of that. You are really reaching. Lets just say you were proven wrong.
Not really at all. The Hokie Club is has big as it has been in a LOOONG time even during the "winning" years and it still is not enough to keep up. Unless the ACC gets a network going soon the current pace of VT donations even with an upswing for a new coach which is mostly future money anyway won't help. When people like you refuse to give now and for the last 4 years you have set VT back in gaining on the other teams when it comes to competing with recruits and competing on the field.
Wrong.. Hokie club is down... not up... Ticket sales are down.... not up..... VT has set itself back by poor recruiting and not taking responsibility for itself. Not cause of donations.. You keep on on blindly given money to a stale product. I want results and ownership. Thankfully people are finally getting change. Too bad its a little late.
I find it funny that I claim VT can increase rev. You challenge me.. I prove you wrong.. you got off in some other direction.
You didn't prove me wrong, you pulled up an article that says VT is making more mi year than years ago but refuse to accept that is because of TV deals and ACC revenue sharing. As for the Hokie Club it's above 10,000 members for the first time in over 10 years maybe longer. But hey you just keep going on rants.
Hokie Club was over 10000 just 5 years ago.... so you are incorrect. I believe it was closing in at 12000 at one point. Again not all 25 mil was from ACC... but you keep on thinking that..... You asked how VT could make 10 million more. regardless of how they get it... They can make 10 mil.......you are wrong.... accept it.
What stands out to me is this:
That shows how important donations are. They're bigger than ticket sales.
yep. And whit realizes he needs to do something to get donations in. Solution win, or get a new promising coach.
I've got to believe he realizes that both of those are necessary.
Something you seem to refuse to understand... is.... there is no guarantee for winning when a new coach is hired. Sure there are a few elite coaches that seem to succeed everywhere (Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer might be the entire list right now), but if it was so simple then Michigan, Notre Dame, Tennessee, USC, UCLA, Auburn, Penn State, Nebraska, Miami, UNC, and Colorado would have gotten it right the first time rather than most riding the coaching carousel numerous times in recent years and some never getting off of it.
Did I say anything about a hire guaranteeing winning? No. I said a new hire would bring in donations. I change is what people want. It would at least rejuenvate the program. If that coach happens to win it will increase rev even more.
You said winning leads to donations, not a new hire.
I said a new coach will bring in donations and i also said winning bring it in. If you happened to notice the beginning of this thread. I said I would donate if they would just announce his retirement. And got called out for not being a "real" hokie. And I am not the only one who feels this way.
Yea there will probably be a one year bump but the point is we can't rely on paying a coach with money that isn't there yet.
LOL.... We do have the money.. And from what I heard whit has got backing.... Lets see how it plays out.
We certainly have more than we've been spending on Beamer for sure. But if UA really backs Maryland, I don't think we can outspend them or SCAR.
True UA could go deep. But I've been waiting for that for years.
"Whit knows that making a investment now, could bring in bigger money later. Do you blinding invest in a company who keeps the head chief but profits tumble and stock price tumble..... No. But if that company picks a person who you know will turn it around, then you will maybe take a chance and reinvest. I know this is a extreme case but when apple rehired Steve Jobs, I bought as much stock as I could afford... and I am not regretting it"
Hmmm me think I did say that a new person would bring in money.
Edit: Nevermind.
You can donate in the way that you feel is best.
We arent winning with the coaches we have now and they have had more then enough time to keep there jobs. Time to shake things up.
What I think beergutvt2 is trying to say is that donors will give more money to the program when they are more confident in the program. It's hard to be confident in our program after the last 3 seasons.
While a new hire does not guarantee success, it should increase confidence from the fanbase (assuming a "good" hire is made). If the new hire creates enough excitement from donors, The athletic department can pull in more money. More money can be used to fund recruiting trips, facilities, marketing, and other things that will bring better players to VT and inspire donors. Donors see this effort, and their confidence increases, so they donate more (they believe they are starting to see a return on their investment).
Now, at some point, the on the field product must improve, and there is no guarantee that this will happen, no matter who the coach. Ideally, everything snowballs, donors get excited, donors donate, team uses money to improve on field product, donors get more excited, more donations are made, team reinvests in itself and continues to improve, and the process repeats continuously. The sooner Whit can kickstart this, the sooner we can get this snowball rolling and hopefully improve the state of this program.
Exactly. Couldn't of said it better myself. In fact you said it better. Some folks just don't understand the age of modern college football. It is a business regardless of how much you love your school or coach.
For reference, see hiring of Buzz Williams. Totally has changed the dynamic.
We were winning a lot of games not so long ago, and yet we weren't rolling in money. Your logic is overly simplistic and completely disregards the negative risks.
Um according the article I posted. Rev went up 25 mil from 2005-2012... so yes winning did bring in money. and again I never.. let me repeat this..never... said we were rolling in money.. i said we were not hurting for money. We are in the top 3rd of FBS schools... and only about 10 mil.. from top quarter...
We're below the likes of Rutgers and Illinois in revenue. Money doesn't guarantee winning
Not to mention ahead of Clemson.
I think ACC expansion had as much to do with that as anything. New tv contracts.
Some of it... but not all 25 mil was from ACC.
At 73 million for 2014. This was up 9.5 million from 2010 to 2014. Due to increased rights and licensing (mostly), student fees, and contributions. Ticket sales took a dive during same period. So like I said... nothing to do with ACC money.
The new ACC TV contract is the only reason our revenue increased from 2010 to 2014. "Rights and licensing" was up $9M from 2010-2014. "Rights" refers to TV rights, which is ACC money. Tech doesn't own any TV rights itself.
The drop in ticket sales is extremely alarming given the fact that we had 7 home football games in 2014 vs the normal 6. At 66k capacity and $50/ticket, an extra home game should generate an additional $3.3M in ticket revenue (not to mention additional revenue from parking, concessions, etc. that comes along with hosting a football game). But instead of a $3.3M increase in ticket revenue,, we saw a $1.7M drop.
Ok you got me there a little.. But it mainly came from licensing is how I read that. I may be mistaken but thats not TV money. Thats you and I buying Hokie stuff. Heres actually a better chart. Look at the fluctuation.... This isn't all ACC money.
.http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free-content/2015/05/27/infographics-v...
Yes, licensing is the royalty Tech receives from the sale of trademarked merchandise, but TV money drives the bus. With the new TV contract, the ACC had a 35% jump in TV revenue from 2012-13 to 2013-14 which allowed the ACC to distribute about $21M to each school.
Since 2007, our total revenue has actually increased less than the TV revenue has increased, which means if you pulled the TV money out of the comparison and just added up everything else (ticket sales, donations, etc.), we are making less money now than 8 years ago.
What I recall from the deal is the ACC game up TV money for more exposure. Which is why I am not convinced that the TV is really helping us right now.
It depends how you look at it. Tech is getting 2x as much TV revenue now as it did in 2007. That sounds great but the fact of the matter is sports TV rights have spiked massively in the last decade and only doubling up the money wasn't a very good deal. The ACC TV contract was less than the SEC contract and the real kicker is the ACC deal included third tier rights for football, whereas the SEC maintained their third tier rights. That allows the SEC to televise games that are not picked up by CBS/ESPN on their own conference owned TV network (SEC Network) and add on even more TV revenue by selling the broadcast rights for those games.
All that said, the fact still remains that our total revenue has decreased since 2007 if you don't include TV revenue.
Do you have the break out? I'm just not buying that we have decreased.
I don't have detailed breakouts, but I'm including a link below and the salient quotes from the article Doing some math based on those figures and we see that Tech's income from ACC revenue distribution has increased by over $9M in the last 3 years (ACC revenue has nearly doubled in 3 years; $19.3M revenue distribution to VT in 2013-14; getting the same 91% distribution from the ACC as in past years). Not all of that is TV money, but about 2/3 is (i.e. over $6M). Over that same time period, the total revenue for Tech only increased $3M (per the USA Today link you provided). So, if we removed the $6M extra in TV money per year, we would be at a net reduction of $3M/year in revenue as compared to 3 years ago. Pulling out the full $9M increase in ACC revenue would mean we had $6M less in school generated revenue as compared to 3 years ago. I'd go back further if I could find the exact data.
"The ACC reported $302,306,749 in revenue, nearly $11 million more than the $291.7 million it had estimated last spring. Moreover, the windfall was 30 percent higher than 2012-13's $232.4 million and nearly double 2009-10's $158.2 million."
"Like each of the five power conferences, the ACC's revenue bump was fueled by television rights fees, which jumped from $146.6 million in 2012-13 to $197.2 million in 2013-14, the league's first with 14 members for football and 15 – Notre Dame is the partial – for other sports. Thanks to its ESPN contracts, ACC media rights have increased 149 percent in the last three years."
"In keeping with past ratios, the ACC distributed 91 percent of its revenue to member schools – the league does not disclose the exact formula, but it includes football bowl participation and other performance metrics. Shares ranged from Clemson's $21.3 million to Wake Forest's $17.9 million. Virginia Tech's was $19.3 million, Virginia's $18.3 million."
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-acc-tax-return-1...
Correct, but I think VT ticket sales is something that can be fixed. One of the best parts about being located in Blacksburg is that we have a captive audience of sorts and with renewed confidence in the program, and some wins that changes for us. Conversely a place like Miami needs to be in the National Championship hunt to fill a stadium.
I was really hoping this year would be more of an up year so Frank could go out on a high note, that being said I think fan support and attendance this year has been really good. Also we should remember that many of those "sold out" games of yesteryear was due to Hokie Club buying out the leftovers. That's not happening any more.
I agree ticket sales can be fixed to a certain degree, although attendance is lagging across the NCAA due to a multitude of factors, so that is not a problem that is unique to Tech. Whit is absolutely correct in focusing on game experience in trying to address the issue. Gone are the days where attending a game is necessary in order to have the best view of the action. Now every game is televised and you can watch it from the comfort of your living room on your huge HDTV that cost less than 2 season tickets, or even stream it from your phone while on the go. Winning helps a lot but having a fun/unique/enjoyable gameday experience is just as necessary in today's world.
FWIW, I believe the only "fake" sold tickets in past years were the club seats. Up until a few years ago, all of the non-club seats were sold out via season tickets and there was a waiting list even for that. I do agree that attendance this year has been decent- definitely better than I expected.
they bought out the Season ticket allotments.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-blog/dp-teel-time-vt-home-sellout-...
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I agree with you on Whit's gameday experience focus, but I think the only way to sell out in this day and age is to be in the hunt, however VT is IMO a better candidate for that than other locations.
But (and here is my technology killing ticket sales rant) if all the ways we are able to view the game is what is really keeping fans away then why not turn that into an advantage? The question is whether it's the technology or if it's people not wanting to "go". If it is in fact the technology then it seems to me that the only answer is technology.
There have been conversations about signal reception in the stadium and whether that is good or bad. My feeling is why would you NOT do it? There was a time when the stadium had no jumbotron and simply a scoreboard. I know for a fact, because my grandpa attested to it, that many a VT alumni at the time of the very first jumbotron screen wasn't that sure why it was necessary expense because you watched the game live at the stadium, and on the screen at home. So I don't really get the aversion to having more technology in the stadium and how that may detract from the game, or whether it's necessary to satisfy fans. Because it shouldn't be about that. It should be about using technology to define VT gameday as something truly unique. here are a few thoughts on some technology that are what I just now thought of:
1. Enter Sandman App. A school app that has a countdown to game time that plays Enter Sandman once it hits zero. Not sure how that would affect the actual music but just spitballing. Or maybe at zero it flashes orange and maroon for the next 5 minutes and everyone can hold them up like at a concert.
2. Smart Lighting. Someone asked if LED lighting was being used in stadiums and I gave them some examples of how they are already being used. How cool would it be to have LED lighting affect the entrance experience? Allowing for blackouts, spotlights, etc. Piggybacking onto the App above, the field could be lit and the bleachers dark which would let the App's flashing orange and maroon in unison be more easily seen.
3. Speaking of lighting how about some image mapping? like what you are seeing in hockey arenas but on a smaller scale. Certainly we could employ a group of industrious students to hold a tarp during the entrance and run off once the team starts to run onto the field. And I know for a fact that this is getting closer to reality to be used on grass fields.
3. How about VT installs their own in game cameras that don't feed into the television coverage? They could be static cameras that only those in the stadium could access. have you seen the democratic conventions use of those cameras? you could do that at the stadium, and those that are actually in the stadium's signal area gained access to them. You could review and watch the game uniquely as a fan at the freaking game.
4. How about LED endzones. The tech for LED turf grass is pretty damn close. It could make that gif above a reality for football fields. And while I prefer to keep grass, you could use them for endzones at least. That would be awesome. There is a company called Electrafield trying to do this now. VT is a tech school and has a great turf program. Come on, invent the damn future.
5. how about an App for turkey leg ordering and delivering to your damn seat. I mean, do I really need to miss some of the game to go get one?
6. how about a decibel counter at the game? I think that was mentioned by someone else before, thinking Illinois Hokie. Great idea.
7. how about an app that maps live trends at the game, like crowd confidence. Kids like to click, swipe and snap these days. go for it. let the world know how you felt about lefty's previous playcall. And this gets me to the airplane thing. In my viewpoint it's not apathy, or disingenuous fandom, it's idle hands. Hands that are used to moving. You put them in a place with bad reception and little to do, but their hands have muscle memory to do something every 5 secs then you're gonna get things like paper airplanes.
8. How about a survey app for giveaways. You are at the game and it turns to the break between 3rd and 4th quarter and there is a ten question survey for those on the stadium servers to answer on their phone. Ever seen Talking Dead? like they do on there. the most right answers combined with the quickest time equals the best overall score. And you win something cool.
9. On from this how about a prediction app for more diehard fans. Are we gonna run or pass? Is the opposing team going to run or pass? again, only for those connected to stadium servers whereby they can actively participate with all game long. Again, best score wins something.
10. How about something for the kids? Put an RFID tracker with gps triangulated cell on the Hokie Bird and let kids use the phone camera to find the Hokie Bird at all times. A where's Waldo kind of thing.
that's 10 off the top of my head. Not all winners but come on, it cannot be that hard to have people sit down and come up with winning ideas. take a giant step forward and be a leader not a follower. We are TECH school are we not? We invent the future do we not?
I think if we forgo the being dragged kicking and screaming aspect that often comes with technological changes and just embrace it fully and continuously come up with ideas we will see numbers increase. Give the people what they want and by doing so make being at the game SIGNIFICANTLY more rewarding that watching on television. Some of these require investment (some large investments), but some could be professor run build labs for credit. Why not?
these are things that could and should happen regardless, for football and basketball. but with the change to our HC it could be a pivot point to really launch VT into a one of a kind brand making change.
anyone else have any ideas?
I think you're misunderstanding-- Hokie Club members (i.e. you, me, etc) created sellouts by ordering more than 44,000 tickets through the season ticket sales. Thus, there weren't any tickets left to sell to the general public as season tickets or individual game tickets. I knew some newer Hokie Club members in the mid-2000s that did not even get their season ticket order filled because they were not high enough in priority. A year after the latest reseating, we did not sellout all of our tickets through Hokie Club season ticket sales, and once that happened, ticket sales in general started declining as people realized they didn't need to donate to the Hokie Club and buy a whole season set anymore to guarantee the ability to get tickets.
definitely could be remembering that incorrectly. I seem to recall it being made mention that sellouts were often a product of Hokie Club buying unsold ticket allotments and that they were no longer going to do that.
But my point is more about attracting ticket sales and attendance more so than this point. Please see me edited post above.
Yeah I've been a Hokie Club member since 2003 and season ticketholder since 2004 so I've been acutely aware of the ticket availability situation on a year-to-year basis. Trust me, outside of the club seats, everything was getting sold out thru season ticket sales up until 3 years ago.
I'm on board with increased technology at gameday. The cell service issue has got to be resolved first and foremost. It's gotten progressively worse every season and at this point your phone is basically unusable in Lane during games. Not that I want to be starting at my phone all game but it's kind of annoying to not be able to share a few texts of thoughts on certain plays, coaching decisions, etc. with friends who are watching elsewhere in the stadium or from home.
There are some cool things you could do with apps to enhance the stadium experience but it would be useless unless you setup a local network at Lane. Having on-demand access to injury updates, score updates of other games, game stats, highlights, food/drink ordering, etc. would all be pretty easy add-ons to enhance the stadium experience. I imagine Verizon or someone else would be interested in sponsoring the network costs.
I hope you e-mailed all of these suggestions to Whit. I would love to see Tech provide the most technologically advanced game atmosphere. Imagine recruits and there families seeing stuff like this and realizing that we are streets ahead of other schools they visit. Obviously, the on field product matters most, but anything to help put butts in seats and attract recruits is a positive. I think you are really on to something with the "idle hands" theory of paper airplanes.
Man this is the worst year possible to lose your head coach, there are so many positions available. I know there's like a 75% chance of Frank leaving this year but the timing is pretty bad, even though it needs to be done.
There are a bunch of good candidates though.
And keep in mind that 2 or 3 positions will be filled by complete surprises....guys we aren't even considering. Like Houston Nutt or some NFL coordinator.
Miami and VT are usually ranked near each other in overall job rankings, but offer completely different attributes. I'm not sure our coaching searches will overlap much.
Miami can't help it if we offer better beaches.
Its never a good year to look for a new coach
Yup theres always going to be programs to compete with. USC, SCAR, Maryland, Miami this year. Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, Pitt, Wisconsin last year. Penn St, Texas, USC, Washington the year before.
Fortunately I don't think our coaching search overlaps with Miami or USC in terms of fit.
I think Beamer should announce the retirement as soon as possible, so that we can start talking to the potential hires. If we wait till the end of the season, either those already vacated jobs will be filled with someone we wanted, or new jobs will open up.
EDIT: In addition, it may create some additional money, as people would come out to see Beamer's last games.
Earliest it'll happen is the bye week. A whole lot of moving parts here and timing is critical with keeping the guys we have on board, sending Frank out the right way, all that stuff. Whit isn't dumb enough to sit around twiddling his thumbs while everyone else goes out and picks up all the good coaches. Enjoy the last we've got of Frank and get excited about watching the guy who pulled a Marquette coach to a football school do his thing.
I think your second point is more valid than your first. Whit is already gauging interest and contacting potential hires. I believe our search will be completed long (aka weeks) before it is announced.
Said this is one of the many other threads, but I think the sooner we announce the better. Gives the players something to rally around and gives us national exposure - the best case being College Gameday comes to VT for UNC/VT.
the best case being College Gameday comes to VT for UNC/VT.
that's an interesting idea.
I don't think we're going to get Gameday over MSU-OSU. Would be cool, though.
Don't underestimate the power of Beamer's last home game. Gameday was quite complementary at the beginning of the season when Chris Fowler left, saying how VT and Beamer helped kickstart the current culture of Gameday.
I mean they were at JMU vs Richmond last week over Utah vs USC, TAMU vs Ole Miss so I don't think its completely unreasonable. plus its been a while since they have been to VT and to be honest ESPN as much as they don't like us on the field they love us off the field.
So what are the planes going to be doing for the rest of the season?
#Butch4theU or These signs actually worked!
Or they change the "F" to an "H" and send it to another school.
Bud Foster to Miami? Imagine what he could do with their athletes and the university recruits itself.
I'd rather not imagine that.
I'm not so sure it would be that terrible. We switch Durkin back to QB and we would crush a Foster led Miami defense.
Things like "Worse Loss in Team History" tend to prompt these types of changes in most places, added to the already hot seat, the planes, the drumbeat was too loud.
A QB getting sacked on a play where the other team only rushes 2 guys, smh.
Miami's back!!!!!!!!
GUYS - what if they hire Lane Kiffin?
Bruce Feldman listed the 12 top candidates for the Miami job, in order (not a joke):
Not to be outdone, Dennis Dodds of CBS Sports also listed his own 12 candidates:
That's a lot of meh
definitely Schiano, he knows how to put he "meh" into Florida like no other.
Let me peer into the future of the Miami program...
I'll take a deep look into my...
cristo ball
I'll see myself out
I know its Miami. But right now that place is a dumpster fire. Small School... Bad facilities.... Have to compete with the likes of FSU, Florida...The SEC in general. Right now the kids don't care what happened 15 years ago. Unless they get commitment to improve. I just don't see them be relevant again.
In a way, the same could be said about VT, since that NC game was 15 years ago...
Not really: updated stadium, new largest in college football indoor practice facility, updated football building about to be updated again, large fan turnout even in down years.
What he said. There has been no significant investment in Miami. We however have invested. We all get it, its got beaches, nice "scenery" and national titles. But so do other local schools in that state.
I was focusing on the comment about the kids caring what was done 15 years ago. We haven't competed for the NC in 15 years as well, and we haven't competed in other championships in a while. So was more on that mindset. I know we have invested and put money into the program, but looking more at the national perception of playing on the national stage.
I was talking to a couple of students last night at an event. It really donned on me that unless they were fans of VT as kids, they may not remember a top football team at VT. Definitely hadn't experienced it as students.
Well the comment was relating to several things. Bad facilities, no investment combined with the school not being relevant. How many ACC champs has Miami won. (or played for).
So there is a little noise saying that VT is very close to some sort of announcement. Probably just typical message board chatter. But stay tuned.
I'm so glad you didn't say your donations are now going to the English Dept. ... just sayin'
Yep cause that matters on a message board that I am using my phone on. Care to actually add to the conversation?
The last time that Miami was relevant on the national football scene, the current recruits were in elementary school.
Some of these are spot on lmao
Miami's Man: Building the Ultimate Coach for The U
It's funny, but part of the deal is Miami as a university wanting to change the image. I think they're right to do this.
People forget that there are universities tied to these teams.
Please. Just. Make. It. Stop.
Looks like Richt has no interest in leaving UGA, whether it's for Miami or someone like us.
http://georgia.247sports.com/Bolt/Richt-with-another-clear-message-on-Mi...
Good news!!
So, either this is 100% true, and he means what he says.
Or this is coachspeak for "I'll be introduced as the Miami coach on Tuesday."
Seems like the term "always" means the opposite in the coaching world...
Yep,that's coach speak and doesn't relate to what happens if Richt is fired.
If we get Rhule and he's a big success for us, we can laugh at the U for hiring the wrong coach from Temple
I guess you could say that Da U broke the Golden Rhule
....I'll see myself out
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