As many of you might have figured out (I don't know, maybe), I'm a high school student at Blacksburg High School. That being said, we have lots of coaches kids at our school. Stinespring, Searles, Wiles, Babcock -- those type of people.
Both Stinespring daughters and Searles daughter told me tonight at the football game that Whit let the entire coaching staff know on Sunday that they all will not be part of the new staff coming in, with the exception being to Bud and Shane, because they are in the coaching search, as of right now.
Obviously, I can't speak for the rest of the coaches, but the fact of the matter is this: Both the Stinespring and Searles daughters have to figure out what they are going to do about their senior year and where they are going to go. This isn't something that is fake, or leaked to judge the publics reaction. Fact of the matter is that it looks like at least Searles and Stinespring are out here in Blacksburg. For the rest of the coaching staff, I can't be as certain. But if these kids are saying that's what happened, I think there is a good possibility that it might be the case.
Also, according to his daughter, Searles is considering Tennessee, LSU or South Carolina as landing spots. South Carolina makes a lot of sense, with the new staff coming in after Spurriers retirement.
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Offense don't care, although Zohn B may have had some potential. Defense, what about Torian Grey? He was really good. Thats shitty that we are losing him.
Except it seems that we may be the only team in college football teaching defensive backs not to locate the ball.
I just noticed a Pitt DB doing the same thing, and Narduzzi is pretty highly regarded for his defenses over the years
Every team does it, it is called outside leverage.
Bama did it tonight as well
Relevant:
Just saying
Is it that they are gone or that they are not assured a place in new program? I agree with above that losing Gray would be pretty dumb. especially if foster is retained you would want some semblance of his staff to remain so they can keep that side of the ship afloat.
i still think its too early to tell
Not trying at all to say the #sauce above isn't legit, because it does sound very reliable, however I agree with your statement that it is too early to tell. I honestly thought that Whit already had the deal lined up, but now I'm not so sure. So fellow Hokies, we need to just sit back, try and enjoy the ride, and....
Losing Torian would be bad, but the rest of the staff really hasn't shown anything consistent in being able to produce exceptional players at their respective position groups. The only guy really at this point that has come close to what Torrian does is Stinespring with the TEs....
Honestly Stinespring has impressed me so much at his position that I really think he has earned the OC spot. I've even created an entire website for the movement. Join me and everyone else who is on board at www.HireBrianStinespring.com!
illinoishokie better get his website running again FAST
Nah, we're good. That guy wants to hire some guy named Brian.
Bryan Stinespring is probably on his way out.
I can't believe the number of people who assumed we'd be able to lose Beamer and keep whatever assistants we wanted. It's the new HC's decision. Whit can't impose the current coaches on the new HC. I guess he could try, as a condition of their employment, but I can't see anyone agreeing to that scenario - with the possible exception of Bud, since we've already heard RichRod would keep him.
I am sure Whit could do that if he wanted, but I agree it is unlikely.
However, doesn't any new HC include the coordinators on the hiring of position coaches? and if the new HC has agreed to retain Foster as DC then I don't see why he wouldn't allow for someone from Foster's group be retained because after all that is who he would select as the DC for his staff.
finally, if you have agreed to Bud then why wipe out his staff completely ? why force him to rebuild entirely and train new staff on his system?
so yeah, it's the new HC's prerogative but I can't see why Gray shouldn't/couldn't be retained.
Figured this happen. Part of the business and guess, wish we could find the same type of puzzle piece from another board members instead of using a whole new puzzle. With rumors of Bud staying, I do hope we get to keep Torian too as we are known as DBU.
I'm no Whit Babcock, but if I have a month plus (hopefully) and at least three really important games to get ready for, no way in the world I'm telling any coaches anything of that sort. #SAUCES
Exactly. No way he had these conversations.
Go Blue Demons! Beat the whatever Blacksburg calls themselves anymore!!!
It's gotta be really difficult on those coaches kids. Whits kids too.
Excellent info, DannyCaughtIt17. That is first hand solid.
This tells me that Whit has contacted the coaches on his list, and discussed the likelihood of retention of the current staff at VT. Some would consider retaining Bud or Shane or both, but no one else, and Whit has had the decency of letting these guys know to get on with their lives.
It also sounds like a lot of the talk on this board is really zeroing in on that list of Whit's...
I took it as Whit told the coaches that their employment will be dependent on the new coach. Their contracts are up, they are free agents. Shane and Bud are on the selection committee, otherwise, their employment is also up to the new coach.
Bud is under contract until 2019, so VT is committed to him unless he leaves or we buy him out. Whit has probably determined the new coaches staff budget and not included the buyout for Bud. So the new HC is implicitly committed to Bud, no matter what. If Bud wants to work here next year, he will.
Maybe we already have a guy and he has discussed our staff. But more likely is that Whit has laid this out from a contracts perspective for everyone and only Bud is under contract.
This message will likely be interpreted by HS kids that housecleaning is happening when it actuality it is just communicating the contractural situation.
Agree, it doesn't make any sense to tell all of the coaches they are out. A new head coach needs to be free to make his own decisions that maybe retaining some of the staff
If Bud stays as DC, there is no way he lets coach Gray go. The guy knows how to coach DB. Coach Z. Burden has also been doing a decent job to keep him on.
Don't read too much into the "all the coaches" part if you're only hearing from people on the offensive side of the ball.
Could very well be that he's cleaning house offensively, with the exception of Shane (who is a legacy and could be retained in some role in the Athletic Dept because of it). Very well could be that there is a new head coach in place, and he has agreed to retain Bud and his staff, with maybe an adjustment or 2.
I definitely believe the kids but think it was more of a courtesy conversation for the coaches. Doubt they were told you are gone after the season, just that other than Bud there are no guarantees and do what you gotta do.
I notice both of the coaches listed are on offense. It does not surprise me to see Shane is considered "in the coaching search." Seems like giving him an interview would be a sign of respect for Frank. I think there's zero chance of Shane getting the job.
Right now there's rumors that Bud is both in the coaching search and also being retained if he doesn't get the head job. If either of those things happen, I suspect the majority of our defensive coaches stay put. Either way, I expect a total restructuring of our offensive staff.
I can't believe Shane would stay in any form other than head coach, which is unlikely. If he has any aspirations of being a head coach he must seek out those type of jobs, Power 5 or others.
So Whit got all the coaches together and said "You don't have job security"?
News at eleven?
Whit seems to do the right thing most of the time, and the decent thing to do in this case is to warn the coaches that, given the change in HC, their jobs aren't necessarily secure.
I read nothing into this other than it's Whit formally letting the staff to know that some changes are afoot, and how they might affect them.
Actually, I'd say the decent thing to do is to say, "Your position isn't secure. You need to get your name out there and find where you're going to land now, because I know how long and hard relocation can be."
I think that's probably what he did.
Gotcha. I interpreted your original post to mean you were promoting the idea of Whit being ambiguous to coaches about their future.
I'm sure these guys are well aware of how it goes. Searels and Loeffler were available for VT as a result of head coach changes.
I have no problem with this, whoever the next head coach should have absolute say in who their staff should look like. Even someone like Bud isn't immune to this in my opinion, although keeping him may make the transition easier. Or maybe Bud decides he doesn't want it anymore and Torrian Gray gets the DC job. Whatever happens I don't think the program should be shackled to any one or several coaches, change is happening and it's happening for a reason.
This could be true, but Whits son also told a co-worker's son that we would be switching to Adidas next season. Considering we just signed an 8 year deal I don't see that happening.
On a side note, switching to Addidas would be an AWFUL decision. As petty as it sounds, recruits are turned off by Addidas in a BIG way.
Agreed 100%
Nike equips the vast majority of college champions
Nike negotiated a deal with the outgoing AD. If they didn't do it right, might be anyone but Nike.
It's unfortunate if we don't try to retain Searles
I actually really like him. Solid family guy and fits in with the culture here at VT. Maybe he's not the best coach (not the guy to judge that) but I'd feel bad for him and his family if he got let go.
I think it mostly comes down to the style of blocking/run game that the new HC would prefer functioning on if Sereals would be considered to stay.
His Resume is impeccable, with time under RIcht, Miles, Saban, AND Mack Brown.
And Frank Beamer...
Was going to post this if you hadn't :)
Pretty clear that Searels only coaches for legends.
I gotta believe that Whit said your job isn't secure. You have an opportunity to reapply for your position with the new head coach but don't plan on it. Also I can't see Bud getting rid of Gray if he remains the DC.
The next coach will have the opportunity to retain any staff members willing to stay, it's just not guaranteed. The coaches would be stupid to not be evaluating contingency plans.
I have trouble with these #sauces. I understand your reason to believe them. But I think several other coaches are far more likely to be retained over Shane.
I think it is more likely that they all realize that they are under contracts that end this year and a new coaching regime means their is ZERO job security.
Agreed, also, unless it's a defensive HC hire, even then, who wouldn't want Bud asyour defensive coordinator?
I just have a hard time seeing Torrian leave if Bud is the HC or still the DC.
I'd really love it if we could keep Lefty as JUST a QB coach
This guy gets it. Throw in Brewer as a ga qb coach
You all make good arguments about what he actually meant when he sat everyone down and told them what was going on. However, what I've heard (I'm not saying this is true obviously), is that he has told everyone that is working for CFB that they will not be coming back. Take that as you will.
I'm hoping this isn't true, because I really think Gray should stay.
And yes, the kids could be unreliable (Adidas? No thanks.), but there has been lots of public talk at school about where the Stinesprings and Searles kids are moving to. So I think that is legit.
Also, brockman_148, the Bruins won last night against that other Burg, 15-14.
Understand what you are saying but if Bud is staying than Torrian is staying imo. I mean if Whit wants to keep Bud and he's the DC then who is Whit to tell him that Gray is gone. Again taken with a grain of salt, but I don't think it's a "everyone is fired" deal necessarily. More like, as stated above, your jobs are not safe make appropriate coordinations however you are free to interview for your job with the new HC.
Yea, I agree with you on that.
I just wanted to let everyone know what I heard from what seemed to be a pretty reliable source. We can all sit and speculate, but nothing is certain until an official announcement is made. Guess we will see then
Torrian lives down the street from me. I will be on the lookout for moving vans. In the least creepy way possible.
It would suck if he leaves.
You should swing by for a beer and see what's up...inconspicuously of course
Its your job to not let this happen. I don't care how you do it. Plausible deniability.
Just in case you're a kid or in a fraternity or a little deficient in common sense, I am just kidding, please allow TG and his moving folks to get their job done. Would be very sad to see such an amazing group disband.
Not questioning your honesty, but you seem to have contradicted your initial statement. Initially you said all coaches except Bud and Shane would not be part of the new staff. Now it is the entire coaching staff was told they will not return. Are Bud and Shane safe, according to what you heard?
i doubt Whit told anybody anything it's probably just common sense with the new coach comes the new staff and all these guys have enough experience to know that
Fair point.
Counter-argument: How would the kids know that they need to start saying goodbye to friends they've had their entire life and focus on finding new schools next year? It seems like when you start getting to that point in the process, you are certain that you're not coming back. It's not guesswork, or relying on experience.
Obviously their parents have leveled with the kids and told them it's the most likely scenario. Almost never is there a head-coaching change without the complete overhaul of the staff
I really feel bad for the Searels girls. One of their bios on Twitter listed all the places that she has lived (states) and said "help" at the end.
It Sucks, but are men and women in service put their kids through that all the time. I lucked out as a military brat, but still had to move every three years or less. My dad retired rather than get his master Sargent so I could finish high school without moving again.
Yeah, I'm a high school senior; can't imagine moving towns all the time. I've lived in the same town all 18 years.
I can't believe Bud (and the new HC if it isn't him) would want to let Wiles go, he's been with Bud almost the entire time he's been the DC. I would think that most coaches in the country would kill to have a DL coach of his quality.
Penalties per game
Top 5 Worst ranked teams in D1 thru 9 games (Last number is Total Penalties so far)
This has got to be the responsibility of the position coaches in coaching the players and this is complete failing.
Fire them all
#2 Georgia Tech 32 Total Penalties
if only VT had a way of discipline, like a fine system.
yea, there are plenty of ways besides a fine system for penalties. Especially since in all the monday press conferences all I hear about is how all the players 'graded' out with good grades. a better penalty would be recruiting top talent that challenges everyone to play better for fear of losing their starting position.
There are no fines if your not playing in the game
How about you bench the guy. Make them run laps or whatever. Get in someone's face. Plenty of options. I never see someone get pulled out of the game after a penalty at Tech
Because the options on the sideline to replace them are few and far between.
There are 85 kids on scholarship. The backups are backups for a reason but at some point there has to be accountability and consequences.
at least we are not having as bad a season as Baylor. Oh wait.
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/10/5397380/penalties-and-defensi...
It's funny to look at the topic bar on the right and see one post about how Whit is going to dismiss everybody and then right below it another post about how Bud is going to stay.
The only thing I know for sure is with so many conflicting #sauces, somebody's #sauces are wrong (and possibly everybody's)
Why does Shane get a free pass? There's no way Whit hasn't seen the debacle of our running game. Am I missing something or way off base thinking that Shane and his family won't be in Blacksburg next Spring?
He didn't say free pass, he said Shane was still being considered for HC along with Bud. No guarantee to be with the program.
1) The new HC should have full autonomy to make or remake the staff as he or she pleases
2) There are two threads on the board, one of which says Whit will clean house and the other saying that Bud is staying. Grains of salt everywhere.
3) If any coaches stay, here are the ones I want to see most (no order):
- Bud as DC
- Torrian as DB
- Zohn as WR
- Shane as ST
4) The new HC should have full autonomy to make or remake the staff as he or she pleases. They will not find a better DC than Bud. I am hoping the new HC is an offense guy and wants to leave his hands off the defense.
5) Losing Bud would be heartbreaking.
Who are you thinking of here??? I don't know any female coaches unless someone is transgender but I don't know how well that would fly in college football
I think he's talking about the only logical choice in this situation...
Her press conferences would be well attended.
one of the greatest Hokies who is now HC for the Arizona Cardinals once hired a female coach. Maybe shes in consideration to be the next VT HC.
#InventTheFuture
You rang?
I appreciate the scoops, I'm just not sure I'm ready to rely on some high school girls (no matter how close to the situation) for my football insider info.
Agreed. Thanks for the effort but this story is ridiculous.
I am guessing it is going to be low on the "absurd meter" by the time we have a coach actually but nothing here.
I think this could be at home dinner talk. Whit probably told the staff that he will leave hiring of coaches to next head coach, so he can't guarantee anyone stays.
Coaches go home and talk to family over dinner saying they may have to move depending on who the next coach is. Kids get emotional, think crazy thoughts, and come to school talking about how they have to move because Whit is cleaning house.
Remember high school, talk about rumor city and exagerations abound.
This. Things have a way of getting distorted when you are 16. These are people's lives we are talking about after all.