I was thinking yesterday about which meant more: beating UVA or winning the Coastal. I think it's a hard question to answer straight up but I think I found an interesting way to frame it. Would be interested in hearing what everyone else thinks.
So you're sitting on your couch watching TV and all of a sudden the Devil shows up. He says, "Hey there *insert your name*! Really appreciate your boys beating those God fearing folk in Indiana this past week. I felt like I owed you a favor."
"I can guarantee a UNC loss this week, but because I can't make any deal all too sweet, I am Satan after all, I would also have the guarantee that you would lose to UVA. But you would win your division so I think this is a fair deal. But, I also know you all have a bit of a thing with them and that might not be so appealing. So the other option I can give you is to guarantee a UNC win but I can't then guarantee a VT win. I can however give you the odds of a VT win in that scenario to help you make a decision."
"If you take the second option, guaranteeing a UNC win, the odds of VT beating UVA are __%."
So my question to all you guys is: What percentage do you need in that blank to take Option 2 over a guaranteed Coastal crown but also a loss to the Hoos?
I know you can make an argument about how losing to UVA would hurt our bowl opportunities and all that but I'm trying to keep this about just beating UVA and winning the division.
I think I would need 70% to even consider Option 2.
EDIT: You have to take an option is this scenario. The question isn't if you'd make a deal. It's what odds do you have to have against UVA to turn down a guaranteed Coastal crown. If you answer that you would only want both, then you're saying that the odds for Option 2 have to be 100%.
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.0000000001% but still 100% confident we will win because LOLUVA
So you would take, a 1 in 1,000,000,000,000 chance that we would beat UVA and win the coastal over a 100% chance we win the Coastal.
I know you said that tongue-in-cheek but still...
A Hobson's choice and an indecent proposal. I refuse to even consider it. I'd tell satan to go to hell, I'll take our chances regardless of his odds. Some things just don't lend themselves to conjecture.
"I'd tell satan to go to hell".
LOL.
Satan isn't turned down so easily.
I worded it poorly but the question isn't whether or not you'd take the deal; it's what odds would you need for the VT-UVA game to not take the guaranteed Coastal title and loss to UVA.
Having never met the gent, I have no way of knowing how hard it would be to turn him/it(?) down. I thought it was clear that I value a win over UVA right now more than going to the 'ship, if it had to be one or the other.
Note: Heavily edited. Trying to say what I mean and comply with the original post's tilted question.
I follow what you're trying to say. I think I've gotten what I wanted to out of this post, although I'm surprised it's so one-sided.
I don't like the 100% answer. If you're following the scenario I'm laying out, you're basically saying that given a 99.999999% chance for a Hokie win wouldn't be good enough and you'd rather lose to UVA but still win the Coastal. I don't think that's your stance.
You're making a deal with Satan. You can't have the best of both worlds. You either have to give up the win to UVA to guarantee a trip to Orlando or you have to take some chance that you could lose both the division and the game. What's the minimum odds you'd need to take the latter deal.
Again, I worded it poorly and I'm not getting the feedback I hoped. That's my bad.
Generally, I'd say that for a complete year in football, both of those have to happen.
So no deals.
Winning the coastal and losing to LOLUVa is not an acceptable outcome(never mind that it's not a possible outcome). The one thing we've done consistently over the past decade plus is beat LOLUVa. Even in our worst season in 20 years, we still stuck it to the hoos. I would consider a loss to them a step back. Winning the coastal is nice and all, but I never expected it to happen. I never doubted we would beat the cavs. Losing the coastal would be disappointing, but losing to the fighting cream puffs would be earth shattering.
Wouldn't we still win the division if UNC loses to NC State or am I mistaken?
Yes.
I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment. But it's interesting to see that a lot of people value beating UVA over winning the division.
It would be interesting to run this same question by people but make the stakes higher, i.e. win the ACC or make a NY6 bowl.
It would be easier to ask straight up, "Would you rather...?" But this year since beating UVA equals a division crown that seemed like it would elicit the "Beat UVA" response too easily.
Beating UVA is a huge deal and it would be crippling to lose to them. But I'm not so sure that I wouldn't take the L if Satan only gave me 50% odds of beating UVA.
But if you win the ACC, you do make a NY6 bowl.
And I'd rather guarantee a NY6 slot by winning the ACC than by taking a chance on being selected for an at-large or replacement slot.
Good point, but the thought of hearing Wahoos brag about beating a playoff team would be unbearable.
If having to hear them talk about beating us one year meant shutting them up about us having zero national titles, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
I ain't making a deal with the devil because I'm pretty sure Butch Jones did to win some of those games early in the season. Now he's got a transferred running back, no SEC championship appearance, and a fan base that hates him. The life championship is enticing though.
(also the question confused the hell out of me)
At least now he's moved on to board games, though I'm not sure he'll be a master of those, either.
Basically I'm asking, what odds do you need to be comfortable having against UVA to guarantee a situation where you have to beam them to win the Coastal.
I'm trying to tease out what is more important to people. Winning the division or beating our rival. I definitely expected some to see beating UVA as more important but I'm surprised its overwhelmingly one way at the moment.
Winning the division is probably more important, but you should never need to trade a loss to UVa for that.
So you're saying that Option 1 is out. So then...how important is the division to you?
Would you take 50-50 odds? Would you need 80-20? That's the question. How much does the division mean over beating UVA?
Easy answer. BOTH.
" "I done told you once, you son of a bitch, I'm the best that's ever been." -Sam Rogers " - Michael Scott
Why do you want to limit me???
I'd have to go back to one of my favorite game shows and scream "NO DEAL".
Now, if the was altered to where we go 13-1 every year and win the national championship while losing to UVA, I'd have to at least listen.
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That's like arguing that a blowjob is better than sex. People might have an opinion one way or the other, but there's really no wrong choice.
Both are attractive. JLaw seems way cooler, I'll give you that.
/banned
Wait, what were we talking about again?
Now that you mention deals with the devil, I was just reading a Forbes article on Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner. He was an instrumental player in Trump's campaign.
His office is located at 666 5th St in Manhattan.
Politics aside, (really, politics aside, I'm not trying to start anything.) You can't make that shit up.
So you're saying he...
...went to Jared?
Not political?
I'd think Nick Saban is too busy preparing for the Iron Bowl to be offer poisoned deals to Hokies
Second answer: tell Satan you don't deal with him. Then you beat LOLUVA, win the coastal, beat Clemson in the ACCCG and top it off by upsetting Satan's team in the 1v4 playoff game on the way to redemption against Michigan in the final.
Did I do that right?
You have to make a deal. You don't just walk away from Sa
btan.You can say you'd only take 100% odds but I think that's a lazy answer, and a deal you'd never get.
To think of it another way, at what point are you comfortable walking away from a guaranteed division title to take the chance that you might lose both the division and the game to UVA.
Since no one else is being fun with this, I'd rather beat UVA and not go to the ACCCG any day than lose to them and move on to the ACCCG. Idk about the percentage but I know I'd hear shit about losing to UVA and I wouldn't if we beat them but missed the ACCCG.
I just cut this out of the ESPN Bottom 10. LOLUVA is finally getting some recognition.
Waiting list: Rice (3-8), FA(not I)U (3-8), Marshall Blundering Herd (3-8), State of Kent (3-8), Bowling Green (3-8), Pur-don't (3-8), UV-ugh (2-9), telling everyone you've fired the coach except for the coach you are firing.
I'll take your bet and you're gonna regret
cause LOLUVA is the worst they've ever been
and if we win, we'll keep the Commonwealth Cup, made of gold
and when the Hoos lose, the devil gets their soul...
cue fiddle music...
I'll make it easy.
We can go 1-11 and if that 1 is UVA, it's been a successful season.
Thanks, bigdaddy. My sentiments exactly. If ya gotta go 1-11, that's the only acceptable way to go.
I wouldn't call it a successful season, but it would ease the pain -- a little.
Sort of like a tequila shot after a terrible day.
We've had a few 7-6 seasons and beat UVA, but people didn't seem to think those were successful...
Look at it this way. If beamer had lost a couple of those uva games those last 3 years he would have been replaced a lot sooner
But we wouldn't have FU!
Option #2 with 99% odds. He said he couldn't give me a guarantee, but he didn't say he couldn't give 99% odds.
So are you saying if he only gave you 98% odds you'd take the L over a nearly guaranteed W?
I get it, the easy answer is to say you want both but that's not an option.
It's either a guaranteed division title or at least a chance that you lose both the game and the division. What odds would you take for the latter?
OK, so you want to know what the lowest odds are I would accept. I'd probably accept 60% odds. Winning the Coastal would be great, but keeping the streak going against those assholes up north would be even better. It's hard to accept a guaranteed loss to those douches.
I think you got the idea.
I tell Satan that I'll take my chances this year on both games. We beat the Catholics, so let's strike a deal for a national championship in the next five years, so long as it stands without controversy.
As long as I don't have to agree to a Penn State scandal in return, I might take it.
So you'd take the second deal (i.e. take your chances with UVA)? Would you take that deal if we only had a 1% chance of winning? I wouldn't.
I don't think I did a great job laying out the scenario but think for a minute. What odds would you need to be given for the VT-UVA game to feel ok with giving up a guaranteed Coastal title?
100% It's either-or if I can't have both.
On second thought, it's tough to make a deal like this. Lucifer gets his in one way or another at some point. I wouldn't give him my hand, that's for sure.
I would rather go 1-7 in the ACC and beat UVA every year. I will never forgive Fuente if we lose and that's not because I don't like him but LOLUVA? no
Respectfully, I think this is an odd mindset.
You want to beat your rival, always. But to put one game over your entire season, no matter who that game is against, just seems wrong to me.
Skipper, my friend, I respectfully disagree. My mind set, for example, was formed in the forty years before you were born, and forged, hardened and sharpened even more since then. Don't know what other's mindsets are, or even if they are mindsets, given the absurdity of trying to answer your question literally, but I don't think any mindset is odd given the topic. It has been a fun thread, though.
My Dad is a big Redskins fan. He claims that if Dallas needed to beat Philly or NY for the Redskins to get in the playoffs, he'd still root against Dallas.
I think you may have a similar sentiment.
I disagree with both.
Again, I'm not shocked some think this and I understand it. Just disagree. Thanks for playing along anyway.
In order the most important things to me in any football season
1) Beat UVA
2) Winning season
3) Bowl game
4) Coastal champs
5) ACC Champs
6) Make Playoffs
7) Make National Championship game
8) Win National Championship
Again...this baffles me.
So you're saying that if Fuente put together a Coastal crown this year that involved losing to UVA and VT won the ACC next year going 7-1 in conference with the only loss to UVA you would consider that worse than two 4-4 seasons with two wins over UVA?
YES YES YES. I never want to give LOLUVa the pleasure of gloating over us ESPECIALLY if it's in a year where we otherwise were quite good. My freshman year was 2003. Practically all of my friends from HS went to LOLUVa (by choice, no less). By the end of the first semester almost all of them were insufferable assholes and would not let me forget that they had the trophy. I never want them to be able to do that again. The streak over LOLUVa is far more important to me than any other and I hope it never ends.
I get that. But in all reality, it will end. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, maybe not even in another 10 years. But it will end and they will have their day and it will suck.
To me, championships and building a program are more important than any one opponent. Sure, I don't want to start losing to them regularly but I'd rather consistently win conference titles than consistently beat UVA.
Unfortunately for my question's sake, you have to beat UVA to win the ACC. That's why I worded this so oddly and used the deal with the devil situation.
I don't want to sound too critical. I asked this question because I was curious how many people will feel just the way you do and value wins over UVA above winning the division. I just don't agree with it.
Have you ever experienced a loss to the douche canoes of Hooville?
I grew up in Staunton with a good mix of fans supporting both teams. My dad is also a big UVA fan. So yes. I still stand by what I said.
Do you think Alabama fans would rather beat Auburn or LSU than make it to the SEC Championship game or National Championship game?
I get it's a bit apples to oranges but that fact that everyone seems to think a win over UVA is more important that winning the division is surprising to me.
Granted for them, beating those foes will usually get them to those higher games. In fact, the years that they missed the natty were the years that they lost to those teams.
But let's take this year. Alabama could lose to Auburn but still win the SEC and advance to the playoffs. They could end the season 14-1. And it would still chap their ass that they lost to Auburn. I mean, look at how we are to Ohio State in 2014, and we actually kind of like them. (Besides, didn't ESPN do an entire documentary on how much Alabama and Auburn fans hate each other.)
Here's the thing. I grew up hating UVA long before I started following college football. When I got to Tech and started following football, the only thing I knew about any of our opponents is that I really hated the one we were playing Thanksgiving weekend.
That eviL has been experienced by many and we certainy dOn't need to wish that sort of eviL anymore. We have to secUre the future Hokie children! If we can removV one less evil from the world, let it be not losing to Jefferson StAte University.
G. T. F. O. We're never losing the cup again. Ever!
In all seriousness, I used to feel the way you do but the last several years of mediocrity left me with one thing to hold on to, a victory over UVA. Until such time that our program recruits on a level that makes expectations of dominance realistic, I refuse to get bent out of shape about anything other than a loss to LOLUVA. Aside from my momentary drunken outbursts during the game, I don't get too upset about much of anything concerning the team, aside from losing the cup.
Above all else, beat the shit out of UVA.
Wait-wait! Friends and LOLUVA? This confuses us greatly.
I'm right there with you. I think the only alteration I would make to your list of priorities would be:
1) Beat UVA
1b) Beat WVU (when applicable)
2) Winning season
3) Bowl game
4) Coastal champs
5) ACC Champs
6) Make Playoffs
7) Make National Championship game
8) Win National Championship
This thread brings to mind 1990.
When Frank retired last year, many in the media talked about his first six years at VT and how rare it would be in today's college football world to retain a coach with a 24-40-2 record over his first six seasons. I don't think it was patience as much as it was Nov. 24, 1990. For those of you who are too young, 1990 was the season where UVA spent a few weeks at #1 in the country (I believe the only time they have ever achieved the #1 ranking). After a loss to GT and a loss to Maryland, they came to Blacksburg where we completed their fall from grace by kicking their ass 38-13 and knocking them out of the top 20 prior to their Sugar Bowl appearance. Afterwards, there was a popular T-shirt that was being sold (I had one), that said something like:
Virginia Football
#1 in the Country#1 in the ACC#1 in the StateVT 38 - UVA 13
Beating UVA trumps everything else and I believe that game in 1990 is what kept Frank on the sidelines until '93 when the bowl run began.
Its not so much that I want to beat UVA as much as I don't want to lose to them.
This is a flawed premise, because there's no scenario where we beat UVA and don't win the division.
Thing is, winning the division at this point is a gift, because Duke beat UNC but we couldn't get the job done against GT.
Hence why I didn't ask it in the simple way of would you rather beat UVA or win the division.
I don't think the answer is as simple as everyone seems to think. I'm not dumb enough to think that anyone on this site doesn't want to beat UVA to clinch the division. But that's not what I'm asking.
I'm asking what odds you would have to be given in the VT-UVA game to give up a guaranteed Coastal title.
For example, if you were given 50-50 odds of beating UVA and winning (or alternatively losing) the Coastal, would you take those over a guaranteed loss to UVA but also a guaranteed spot in the ACC Championship game? If you wouldn't take those odds, what would the odds then have to be?
This is a hypothetical scenario that was intended to generate discussion. Instead, everyone wants to state the obvious. I'll take the blame for not wording the post well enough to get the responses I meant to.
Why not both?
UVA is the most important game of every season. They are not just our rivals; they are the anti-Virginia Tech. Both universities are located in rural Virginia, but that's where the similarities stop. Virginia Tech has embraced their roots, bringing a workman like attitude to every aspect of the university. Virginia, on the other hand, has excelled as a pompous, elitist university. Virginia Tech was constructed with beautiful grey Hokie-stone and a unique architecture that symbolize the mountainous area in which it was founded. UVA's campus was built with bricks and white pillars, an architectural style known as 'basic as fuck.' The Virginia Tech fan is raucous and rabid during football games, yelling and jumping on every defensive down. Conversely, the UVA football fan enjoys a quaint arena where he/she can comment on other's fashion decisions. Finally, the Virginia Tech fan enjoys beer and rails, while the average 'wahoo' much prefers wine and Zima.
No one wants to lose to a university that supports Zima. Go Hokies.
I would tell the devil that we don't need his help; Divine Diablo is going to have one hell of a game on Saturday and he can go ahead and think of something he wants from Hooville in exchange for helping them break their 13 year curse in 2017.
GO HOKIES
You know what? The odds don't matter. I want to beat the ever living guts out of UVA, every year.
While i will be cheering NC State if they beat UNC on Friday, ultimately it doesn't matter. As I said before, winning the division is a gift at this point. And as many fellow Hokies have pointed out in previous years when the division hinged on the UVA game, we don't deserve to advance if we can't beat them. (Sidebar: UVA has never beaten the division champ.)
Yes.
Wow Skipper, that didn't go as planned.
I think in a hot wash of your now proven ill-conceived scenario, what might become apparent Is that you completely underestimated the level of irrationality that our hatred of loluva has risen to. You expected to find logic and reason where there is only hatred and loathing. There is nothing logical about this.
While we all appreciate a nice hypothetical deal with the devil, the truth is we all made this deal when we became Hokies, beat UVA or die, there is no compromise!
HA! In an odd way, I got exactly what I wanted to out of the post. I learned that beating UVA is clearly more important than winning the Coastal to a large proportion of our fan base.
I don't think it was ill-conceived. You just have to think about it a bit and not just give the typical UVA Hate Week answer. The people who are just shouting "100% I wouldn't take anything else!" are actually not answering the way they think.
Again, I'll take the blame for not wording this well, or perhaps just asking this on the wrong week, but if you really value UVA that much more than winning the Coastal you would tell the Devil that you'd take 0.000001% odds of beating UVA over a guaranteed loss.
Saying 100% is the only percentage you'd take, along with not being an option, says that you would turn down a 99.9% chance to both beat UVA and win the Coastal in favor of Option 1 which is a guaranteed UNC loss and a UVA win.
If none of that makes since, then read my original post again and come back to it. If it still doesn't make since, I didn't word what I was trying to say well enough. I also asked in a bad week because clearly people just want to take shots at UVA and not really think about the question I asked.
It's a hypothetical question and means nothing, just thought it would be an interesting discussion.
All that said I appreciate everyone at least trying to play along. And FUCK UVA!
yes I agree. You did word this incredibly poorly.
rub it in
Thanks bruh!
I appreciate the conundrum you tried to create, even if it was a little hard to follow. But your explanation above really clears things up. If beating UVA is paramount above all other options, then you would accept any odds of winning rather than accept a guaranteed loss. And the more I think about this, and contrary to my reply to you above, I think I would take that 1% chance of a victory over the guaranteed loss. I really do hate those bastards. Go Hokies!
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I think the bigger problem with this scenario is that with the way this year has gone, there is no option to beat UVA but not win the Coastal.
The other part of it is that for as bad as we've been the last few years (by our standards), UVA has been worse. Over the last four years, they've already been out of bowl eligibility before playing us. The other year, we both came into the game at 5-6.
Your first sentence there is why I asked it in such a round about way. I knew asking straight up which people would prefer this year would be too easy. That's why I asked for minimum odds to try and gauge people.
If you said you'd only take 100% odds of beating UVA to take Option 2, then you really value the Coastal. Alternatively, if you take a 1% chance of beating UVA over a guaranteed championship game appearance you really value beating your rival.
In my scenario you have to accept that there's no deal you can take that guarantees both a Coastal title and a win over UVA. You can either take a guaranteed division win or you can take a chance that you may win both or you may lose both. The question is, what are the minimum odds you would take for the latter option to make you not take the guaranteed division championship.
I was hoping to get responses like 80%, 60%, 40%, etc. Instead, I got a bunch of confused looks and people just saying how much they hate UVA. For the 100th time, that's on me for not working my original post well.
Odds are arbitrary. Every game has 50% odds. Either you win or lose.
Not exactly 50%...
You're missing the point, but I'll bite on your ignorance anyway.
If VT and UVA played 1,000 times, with their current rosters set up as they are today, VT would win 500 and UVA would win 500 by your logic. Do you think that would really happen? Would it even be close to even? I don't think so.
I'll leave it to the advanced stats post coming in the next few days to give the numbers but the true odds are likely somewhere around 80-20 for a Hokie win.
Anyway, that's not the point of this post.
No, I don't think we'd split a thousand game series at 500 each. But we only play once. So the number doesn't matter to me, because we either win or we lose.
This is the easiest question.
I would rather beat UVA than win the Coastal.
You can figure out the odds.
Yes
Speaking of winning the Coastal, Gabriel Baumgaertner of SI included this little gem in his College football TV viewing guide for week 13:
First of all, we aren't in the ACC Atlantic division. Second of all, we don't need to win this game if UNC loses their game against NCSt.
I never knew that being a professional writer had such low standards. I mean, I've seen it around before but that first sentence is wrong in multiple ways. I took the SI.com survey, which has like 30 pages in it, just to expound on this point. Way to go, Gabe.
LMAO and GD it i have ticks!
Classic!
If I understand the scenario correctly I would say 1%. I would rather have the slimmest chance to beat UVA (and risk the championship game) than lose to UVA. period.
But this is silly, we all know that in this game (Hokie) rock beats scissors.
Yep! You got the question I was trying to ask.
For what it's worth, I disagree, but I seem to be in the minority here.
Well, Skipper, you could have actually made the question harder by asking whether we'd rather win a National Championship than beat UVA, with or without the satan angle. We haters would then have to make a really tough decision. I know, I know, that doesn't fit what you wanted, but as you can see, it's like herding cats here and you cannot shape it enough to change made up minds to agree with you, no matter how hard you try. As I said above, loluva hatred is soooo much older than Coastal, or even ACCC games. Besides, your question was too ludicrous a scenario to truly expect soul searching, hand wringing logical responses.
I'm not trying to get everyone to agree with me. I just think 1% is an absurd answer. That's nearly guaranteeing you get neither the Coastal nor a win vs. UVA. I could understand something along the lines of 20% and maybe even a little lower than that.
There is more thought to this that people want to put into it though. I asked on a bad week where everyone just wants to hate on UVA.
Actually, what is absurd is how ridiculously complicated you made the question. I waded through your logic and gave you my opinion. Sorry you find it absurd. My answer would be the same the other 51 weeks in the year.
You can understand 20% but 1% is absurd?
I wonder how different it would be if it were a guaranteed loss to UVA, but at the same time a guaranteed Natty.
Thanks. It always takes me too many words to say what I mean, you did it in one sentence. Thanks and a leg.
It would be a good question. We just aren't in that scenario this year.
Well, Skipper my brother, we aren't exactly ever going to be in your absurd scenario either, so there's that.
This season? It'd have to be something around 10-15% for me to take option 1. We've already had a more successful season than anyone reasonably could have expected. Winning the division is just icing on the cake at this point and it would take an almost guaranteed loss for me to not want to roll the dice against UVA.
Let me try to word this in a different way so it's easier to follow:
- Option 1: Guarantee that NC State beats UNC, thereby clinching the division for Virginia Tech, but also a guarantee that Virginia Tech loses the Commonwealth Cup.
- Option 2: Guarantee that UNC beats NC State, meaning that Virginia Tech has to beat UVA to win the division, and giving Virginia Tech an N% chance to win the Commonwealth Cup.
What is the lowest value of N where you would select Option 2 over Option 1?
For me, it's probably in the neighborhood of 10%. If we looked better in our losses, and the winner of the Atlantic wasn't a Clemson team that looks like it might run us out of the stadium, it would probably be higher, but since our chances of an Orange Bowl berth seem fairly slim I'd rather take our chances against UVA.
THIS THIS THIS 1,000,000 times this! Thank you for saying in simpler terms what I couldn't.
I should've just stuck with the options instead of trying to be clever with a story.
Interested in a ghost writing career, my friend?
Better hypothetical question: Would you rather beat UVA or beat Clemson in the ACCCG?
Obviously one of these can't happen without the other but assuming we had beaten either Syracuse or GT and didn't have to worry about staying even with UNC, would you rather beat UVA and keep the streak going but lose to Clemson and go to an okay bowl OR lose to UVA and beat Clemson (which in this hypothetical scenario would still leave us with three losses) and have all the hype surrounding that type of win AND an outside shot at the Orange Bowl?
Beat UVA.
If we get to the ACCCG and lose to Clemson, no one's really going to be saying much, because we're either punching above our weight class, or just following the script.
The other option would just be another embarrassing VT loss.
What?!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn't know where to put and didn't wanna bump an old Snapchat thread...
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Has anyone seen the paint for the field on Snapchat from this afternoon? Like...woah. Sorta like a striping effect on the endzones and couldn't make out the midfield logo. I'll try and screenshot it.
This week, it's more important to beat UVa.
In December, winning the ACC Championship will be more important.
Winning the ACC Championship in any given year is always going to be harder, so it really is the more important win. Beating UVa is mostly about having self-respect enough not to let your guard down. Just assume UVa is going to play better in their rivalry game than their record would indicate. This year, they're likely better than their record.
VT and UVa are both 0-0 this week.
51% because it an all or nothing bet over a half-good lock and then my Saturday will be much less exciting if already know what's going to happen!