#Hokies QB Josh Jackson has applied to have his name in the NCAA's transfer portal, multiple sources tell me. Jackson suffered a season-ending leg injury in Tech's loss to ODU this past season.https://t.co/JDwPl6uEzv— Mike Barber (@RTD_MikeBarber) January 23, 2019
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No one can be surprised by this
Nope.
Not exactly. But I thought it would be HH before JJ.
I belive JJ can grad transfer and no sit out. HH would have to sit
If he can grad transfer after his redshirt sophomore year, that's impressive.
He enrolled early. So if he stays through the spring semester, then that is 7 semesters plus 6 summer sessions. Doesn't seem like a stretch at all.
Only if he took only 3 years to earn his degree.
He also was an early enrollee so he got an extra spring semester in and took 6 summer sessions. He graduated.
HH can hang his hat on having a chance to go head to head with QP for the 2020 job assuming RW starts this year and graduates, if HH loses that battle he will be a RsJr and can apply to be a grad transfer and play in 2021, if he leaves now he has to sit out a year and wait to compete for a spot in 2020 anyways
I don't know why people keep beating this drum. I saw HH walking and laughing it up with Hewitt and Keene just a few hours ago. The kid likes being at Tech and honestly has just as much if not more talent than any QB on the roster. If he can start to develop his reads and decision making, I think we could see him starting in the fall.
Calm down, man. I was going purely off of his spot on the depth chart this past season and the fact that we saw QP more than him. I didn't say anything about him being unhappy or being less talented.
Sorry man, not meant a direct attack against you. Just a common comment that has bugged me based off the fact that both had about the same recruiting ranking and both have next to zero playing experience. I like both HH and QP4 and hope we can take the next step as a program with one of them at the helm.
No worries. You were just putting a lot of words in my comment that weren't there.
Agreed. Once he was declared done for the season anyone who thought he was going to play QB for us again was kidding themselves.
IS THAT QP'S MUSIC?!?
QUINCCAYYYYYYYYEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Wait, are you saying one more, or is this the "another one"?
There will likely be one or two more.
I've seen McClease mentioned in your post from last night. Who would be the second more?
Also, is this "one or two more" the end of the train or have you heard rumblings that more still could follow suit before this off-season is done?
RW, HH, QP...we saw this coming.
CANDY BARS.
I believe this was pre-announced by many here recently.
*deep breath*
Fuente's response to the transfers:
#GetBetter
Saw this gem in the comments:
the comic sans is perfect.
How are you gonna post this image and not link the tweet?
https://twitter.com/ClaylorSwift/status/1088162044971548672
I had a pretty good LOL because of this.
Its like he read my comments on TKP.
Not too shabby, only about 80% coach speak. I am glad that he put out a statement either way, shows he knows the recent transfer news is causing a stir.
I appreciate that the athletic department went to the trouble of preparing a statement and that there's a little more to it than the typical stuff from the first paragraph.
Honestly, I'm just impressed that Pete didn't misspell anything before handing it over to Fuente to make official.
s/... I hope the s/ was obious
Edit: On second thought, leaving the misspelling for the irony
I knew one of the QBs would. I thought it would be HH, but Jackson is IMO the least talented runner of all the QBs in the room and Fuente likes the RPO. Yes, Jackson was a good fit from a game manager perspective, but the heat is turning up in the QB room and HH and QP fit Fuente's mold a little better.
HH might still leave too, especially if it seems like QP is getting more attention in the near future.
Is it weird that the main thing that stands out to me in that entire tweet is "the team's loss to ODU"?
WHAT!! WHEN!?!
Nothing to see here folks... nope.. last years opening day starter is ALSO transferring... We are just sooooo loaded talent wise everywhere, ALL of these kids just want more playing time buried on the depth chart (on a 6-7 team), nope nothing to see here folks. Willis and QP are just better, nothing to see here... /S
I get it - you think Fuente should be fired.
Anything else?
LOL..nope never said any such thing.
So you're a fan, then? I mean, your posts aren't neutral.
I think Justin Fuente is a good coach. I have NEVER posted he should be fired at all- never. He deserves a couple more years. I'm a fan of VT football, I'm a long time HC member/donor. I'm also a fan of not losing 5 straight ACC home games, etc. I'd also like to beat Miami and GT again at some point. That is not "hating Fuente"
No, certainly not.
In fact, I could post that, word for word, and agree with it. Sometimes your other posts don't come through like that.
I am a fan and usually optimistic but I think Fuente should be fired. Actually I was one of the few that never thought he was a good hire. Thought I might have to eat my words after year one, and wish I still felt that way.
I think most college football programs have identities that are very hard to shake. VTs rep is a power football team that plays great defense and special teams. They can't change that rep overnight, therefore, it's will always be easier for them to recruit these type players. A no huddle, spread, shootout, offensive minded coach will always have trouble recruiting his type players to vt. I think tech is going through an identity crisis, and sometimes you just have to embrace who you are, even if it is a little unpopular. Winning cures all.
Fired for what exactly?
For not being Rich Rodriguez?
I have a strong feeling this post will not age well.
Still think so?
So I'm confused... my comment is plaid but censured with -203 score all in less than 10 minutes. Does that mean it had a score of over 100 and fell to -203 all in less than 10 minutes? Anyways hope we play better in the second half. Go Hokies
No its Orange and blue as in loluva. Also the offense would have been just as bad with JJ if he stayed
Gotcha on the orange and blue. Didn't know.
Never said a word about being better with JJ, only mentioned Fuente should go and Tech was lacking an identity. Was told that comment wouldn't age well and simply asked if the writer still thought so. Never disrespected anyone but I guess different opinions are not welcomed. I'm pretty sure 200 different people didn't read my comment and downvote me in ten minutes so I guess one person can censor you by him or herself. Go figure. We are all Hokies but I guess that's not good enough.
Its fine just a lot of us are not in a good mood today
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Those arent the only two options. I am not a fan of Fuente anymore and I don't think he should be fired yet. Now, with a similar year to this one I think he should be gone.
I'm still a fan, but the hole in the ship needs to be plugged, and it needs to be righted.
Mistakes were clearly made. Relationships weren't developed. People were absolutely misunderstood. This does need some immediate attention.
Which QB did you want starting when JJ was starting?
Nope. What I said was that it would be cool to score in the 3rd quarter of an ACC game. When the apologists hit me with "well our starting QB was out", I wasn't buying that. Willis started the bulk of the year. THAT was my point.
You wanted Nope to start? :^)
Hey man, Nope can play!
Wait wait wait. Didn't you spend the entire season telling us RW was better? JJ wasnt a P5 started etc?
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Nope
Don't expect consistency from trolls.
Trolls= people you disagree with
Trolls = people who seemingly intend to rile people up on whatever medium they're "contributing" to. As in, about 20% of your posts.
Trolls enjoy hug time
if we'd have only stopped GT 20% of the time we wouldn't have lost to them the last 3 times -DC
20% aint bad for a troll though. real troll rates are much higher.
Oh I know. My point was that DC has shown some troll-like tendencies, not that he is objectively a troll.
I mean, Willis might be the better QB at this point. At least he appeared to have similar accuracy and much better arm strength. I also feel that JJ would've been rushed back a bit quicker if the coaches thought there was any significant dropoff in talent under center, since 3 months is quite a long recovery time for a broken bone.
I find your shtick to be tiresome.
Meh. Players who believe they can better their lot transfer and the grad transfer rule facilitates that process... If you have more than that, feel free to share.
OK, now this is wild.
Have we had any defensive players enter the transit portal? (I know about Kearney, but does his situation fit into this one as well?)
Cam Goode, Trevon Hill, Mook Reynolds. Oh... wait...
I know you're making a joke because all three of them were dismissed from the team, but Cam Goode transferred before the season and Mook is entering the draft, so Hill is the only one currently on the transfer market.
And of course, I meant "voluntarily and of my own accord," not "because I got kicked off the team with eligibility remaining, whatever the reasons may be."
I laughed. This is pretty close to home except you just need two other lion cubs sitting on the rock waiting to be held up next.
Not sure this is the time.
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At this point?
Somebody's sources are clearly wrong on this one, or someone just jumped the gun.
Maybe not. Sometimes these decisions get leaked and the players get upset that they didn't get to announce it themselves or "the right way." It has happened a few times with NFL draft declarations and players have lashed out at the reporter.
I know 247 can be shaky sometimes, but their portal site has JJ listed
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/TransferPortal/
I'm agreeing with you. I'm saying sometimes someone else or the player will come out and say a decision hasn't been made yet when it really has.
Anyone else notice that there is a "K Fuller" available?
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Interestinger and interestinger.
While Kumah's (and even CC's) transfer sucks imo, this one doesn't bother me so much. Another year in the system for both Willis and QP would have made JJ the odd man out so he's got to do something.
I'd like him back just for the competition factor and the quality backup factor - whether he wins the starting job or someone else does, he's not far from #1. Our offense was certainly better in 2018 than in 2017, but how much was that Willis and how much was it everyone having an additional year of experience? Jackson was doing fine this season before the injury.
Not surprising if it happens. Willis could be your starter next year and QP MUST get #2 reps to continue his development. The coaching staff knows that and so does Jackson. Jackson or Willis would be #3 if QP doesn't win the starting job.
2 things, 1st will get me down voted all to hell. but yall need to get of DCwills D. JJ was never the QB of the future. did anyone ANYONE expect willis to come in and put up even #s comparable to JJ (besides French if you are TKP member and saw his spring game review Because holy crap did he hit that head on the nail) but we all knew JJ wasn't going to take us over the hump. Hes the blake bortles of VT football. don't blow the game. hes our guy, win the game hes not. I for one never bought into the JJ train. I defended him. but. that was it. Guess what, OSU fans aren't sweating tate matrell, hokie fans we commited to the QP train. Im WAYYYYYYY more excited to see who wins from HH and QP and RW than anything JJ related. I wish JJ the best of luck. but at the end of the day we sit here and lose our mind about recruits and we have 2 GREAT ones in HH and QP, let is shake out.
Say again?
aka just down voting him for the sake of his user name not what he says.
This is definitely some words.
I just read this in Perd Hapley's voice
Hahahah are you pulling out all the Parks and Rec stuff because Comedy Central has been playing that marathon? I know I have been watching it.
My wife and I are in the middle of a Hulu binge on it. I finally got her to watch past Season 1, and she's very appreciative I did.
Once they got rid of Brendanawicz the show really took off. Mark sucked, and brought a bad name to those of us with "wicz" at the end of our surnames.
Ugh, he was the worst. He just didn't work for the show, and the immediate improvement that took place when they got rid of him and allowed Chris Pratt to take his place is pretty damning. Feel bad for the guy, but man he dragged that whole thing down.
The show elevated to near perfect entertainment when Adam Scott and Rob Lowe are introduced. That was the big turning point for me as a fan.
Can confirm all above comments.
RIP Lil' Sebastian
This show
Has some of my favorite characters ever.
I approve all of the above comments.
Is a thing the real Ron Swanson would never say. Imposter!
JJ 2017: 59.6% Comp, 7.55 YPA, 2.22 TD/INT, 135.2 RAT
2018: 62.1% Comp, 9.91 YPA, 5 TD/INT, 170.3 RAT [if you care to look at 1 ACC game and 1.5 FCS]
Willis 2018: 58.5% Comp, 7.46 YPA, 2.66 TD/INT, 138 RAT
The numbers are really close, and in 2017 we had a much worse supporting cast and JJ was a freshman. This is bigger than just a shrug.
Let's see the numbers vs P5 teams.
Those never get posted because they are awful. He had a good game against WVU and a horrific UNC team and that's it.
You're forgetting BC and OK ST.
JJ (P5): 57.6% Comp, 6.92 YPA, 1.5 TD/INT
RW (P5, ignoring Kansas numbers): 57.4% Comp, 7.08 YPA, 2.1 TD/INT
Still pretty close and the TD numbers tighten even more with Rushing TDs (6 for JJ and 3 for RW).
How many of those P5 teams where with an injured Cam? JJ's supporting cast was banned up at the end of last year, peoples was injured a lot last season too.
Yeah, it was a significantly worse supporting cast around JJ in 2017.
The comparison between 2018 Willis and 2018 Jackson is skewed in my opinion.
Jackson's numbers appear nice large in part because he played absolutely no one good.
Willis played the bulk of the ACC schedule as a back up with no previous experience in ACC conference play
I think he faired better than Jackson would have had Jackson stayed healthy.
agreed the #s match with less of a supporting cast. its been gone over 1k times when the numbers came and how. no need to rehash again how many games JJ played before ACC comp and the heart of willis schedule. at the end of the day neither are the GUY hokie nation is all in on. so losing them doesn't matter, no one batted an eye when willis came in as a walk on did they? walk on= same #s as your starter.... let that sink in. since that's everyones go to is he was a walk on from the worst team in CFB.
JJ, RW, HH, QP, a fucking balloon animal... I don't care who is our QB, as long as they can properly make the correct read on the read option/RPO
Have any balloon animals entered the Transfer Portal yet?
Not that I've heard, but Bennigan Bintackulus was seen passing through on his way to Hogsmeade.
IIRC the offense fell of a cliff in 2017 once Nijman got hurt and the line couldn't block anyone.
Absolutely. Then JJ got injured in the Miami game and was not the same for the rest of the season.
Calling someone out for hypocrisy is not the same as jumping on them. Some people are very vocal on here and that can blow up in their face. DCwilson is not the only one
Trying to read this gave me a headache. Man, fix your format.
how? lol. work comps suck. I have a new one sitting next to me, but wasn't provided the HD monitors to go with it. so im stuck on windows 7, when I should be on 10. hopefully next week. either way sorry how it comes out. frustrating to not be able to get a point across and not post pics, tweets, you tubes, anything and embed when you have an old ass work comp and I NEVER get on anything else for TKP, everything else In life is IPAD or IPHONE which also sucks for TKP.
As in, the way you articulate your thoughts is, at times, incoherent. Idk man, I feel like I'm reading a hastily written youtube comment.
twetn itl get aftr ya.
Sometimes it seems like your keyboard is missing keys. A lot of them. Not sure what the Windows version has to do with it but I hope you get it figured out!
Hahaha, I'm far from the grammar police and have never had a problem deciphering your points, so don't take this personally, but are you really trying to blame your spelling and grammar on non-HD monitors and Windows 7?!
Leg for the effort man!
This transfer portal stuff is making everyone crazy.
Does anybody throw their name in the portal and then change their mind?
Thought there was a Miami kid.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/jordan-allens-mothe...
Agreed. Let's just go the baseball route and say "We have traded Josh Jackson for cash considerations and a player to be named later."
Humans have a huge aversion to loss, so these players transferring is us losing something. If we focus on the cash considerations (an open scholarship) and a player to be named later (shiny new QB under center), it doesn't feel nearly as bad.
Fuente posted this picture on twitter 2 days ago
I'm not even going to check his twitter to confirm this but it was also the start of workouts on monday so that would make sense.
I did the heavy lifting for you. This is Fuente's most recent tweet:
Seems to be missing the image. If my maths is right that was also more than two days ago
You can't fool me. We all know Fuente never tweets.
I can't tell if you are being serious or not, so........
this made me chuckle
Who the fuck cuts fat off of a ribeye?!?! that's the best part!
Are you sure that's not a NY strip?
IH, you know your cuts of meat!
Yeah looks like a NY strip. Shape looks wrong for a ribeye and I don't see that telltale streak of fat running between the separate muscles you always see in a ribeye.
Peyton Manning as new OC confirmed.
This one doesn't really rub me the wrong way. I don't think there was a relationship strain with Fuente and Jackson. Fuente went with Jackson two years in a row and put him in the mix in 2016. Clearly a guy Fuente trusted and believed in. It has become clear that Willis can be trusted to not turn the ball over a lot and clearly has more physical ability than Jackson running and throwing. Jackson is doing what every other P5 scholarship quarterback in college football who isn't starting is doing right now and transferring.
Thanks for your services, JJ. I'll never forget the WVU game, specifically the run that led to the game-winning touchdown. You left it all out on the field that day, and this lifelong VT fan from the Mountaineer state thanks you for that.
" It has become clear that Willis can be trusted to not turn the ball over a lot"
Willis: 9 INT in 364 attempts at VT
Jackson: 10 INT in 454 attempts at VT
Willis was 56th nationally in QB rating. He had a worse completion percentage in 2018 than Jackson did in 2017. The offense struggled to get anything done for long, long stretches against ACC opponents other teams found quite pliable. I sometimes wonder if people here watched a different Ryan Willis than I did.
I believe at least 2 Willis interceptions were because Hazelton volleyball set it right into the defender's arm. I also don't blame Willis for the offense's ineptitude at times. It seems he would make a couple good throws and pick up a couple first downs, then we were throwing 50/50 fades into the sky, and drives were sputtering out. Willis has a better arm and can run faster and break more tackles than Jackson. Once he gets the read option (which he was doing towards the end of the season), it's a no-brainer.
So Jackson gets blamed for when the offense went bad under his watch but Willis doesn't get blamed? Am I following clearly?
I never said that. Not once. Others have, but the comment you are replying too doesn't say that, so it is irrelevant to the debate.
The ineptitude with Jackson under center in 2017 was similar to Willis' in that the playcalling was suspect. The difference? Willis can create more with his arms and legs than Jackson can.
"I also don't blame Willis for the offense's ineptitude at times."- You
"Willis can create more with his arms and legs than Jackson can."
Their passing and rushing numbers once you pull out sacks were pretty similar. I'm not sure there's really that much of a difference between the two.
YOU were blaming the offense's ineptitude on Willis. I said I blamed it on playcalling. I never said Jackson's skill set led to offensive ineptitude. When an offense is inept because of playcalling, a great neutralizer is a quarterback with the ability to run and make throws that others can't. We saw it with Tyrod, MV5, LT3, etc. If you can't see the difference between Willis' arm strength and running ability compared to Jackson's, I'm not sure we were watching the same games last season.
I'm in the "leaning slightly toward Willis camp," but I'm pretty sure a minimum of 3 JJ INTs in 2017 came straight off of Savoy's hands.
Seriously it seems like mostly a height thing. Maybe Willis looks better because he's big and he can throw it farther with less effort, but results wise you gotta take Jackson. Willis also had much better weapons this year and still was less effective
I take Willis as the starter every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Okay well you'll lose all of those days
Why I liked Willis over JJ....
He seemed to have more moxy (Brewer-esque almost)
He had better wheels allowing him to escape and extend plays
I don't know if it's true, but his first pass against ODU sold me and he visually looked to have a better arm/touch
He showed a lot of emotion and boosted his teammates morale
While not as good at the read option...that's teachable and he showed improvement, the characteristics above are not as teachable.
Sooo... why is JJ transferring then? Seems like he should have a decent chance at winning the starting job again in a spring competition then, right?
Definitely not transferring as a sophomore because a a grad senior. It's probably the guys coming afterward
There it is
Thanks for helping keep the Black Diamond Trophy Josh
At least he used a TKP picture for his transfer announcement.
He never added Hokie to the dictionary in his phone! Dude was never 800% committed. /s
The number of people acting like this was "expected" is wild. There were many different opinions (mine being one of them) but I'd say as recently as after the bowl game the most popular opinion was that Quincy wasn't ready and that JJ was still a "better" option at QB in the meantime than Willis and should get the job back.
Hooker transferring was "expected," JJ FOR SURE not.
JJ is a former starter who has 2 (possibly 3 if he gets a medical RS) years of eligibility remaining. You think he was gonna be content to be demoted for his remaining years when he can graduate, transfer and play right away? HH is a RS Freshman who if he transferred would lose one of his 3 remaining years to play unless he transferred down a level. Look at those 2 situations and tell me who you would "expect" to transfer. In most cases transfers aren't about what's best for the team they're about what's best for the player. Now if HH puts in work in the classroom this year and graduates as a RS Soph then I think he might be more "expected" to transfer.
For all the shit Sean Glennon took, he was a hell of a team player when Tyrod superceded him. He had enough talent to get some practice squad time in the NFL. Not that everyone is that way, but your post reminded me of his situation.
Correct. I do wonder sometimes how folks see it - would you rather continue the athletic limelight for another year or two, even if it means leaving the brothers you've been battling with, or would you rather stick it out and be a good teammate?
For me, if you have a legitimate shot at the NFL, then transferring seems reasonable. Josh Jackson has no such shot.
If JJ ends up at Bowling Green with Loeffler I think it would be pretty hard to argue with his decision.
I could argue for hours with anyone choosing to play for Loeffler. The only saving grace is that he wont be the OC.
I think you're ignoring the possibility that JJ may have been 'nudged' out by Fuente.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/767603#comment-767603
I'll just leave this here. Anyone that watched these two play and doesn't realize that Willis gives our offense a much better chance is silly in my eyes. Obviously the coaches and/or JJ realized this too. I didn't expect JJ to transfer, without at least trying to battle for the job in spring, but am not surprised at all.
Without even trying to battle for the starting job this spring it makes me believe that a) he knows Willis is better and won't beat him out. B) one of the young guys are better or on par and he won't beat them out c) a combination of a and b, and he may go from starter to possibly 3rd/4th string because he can't beat the others out.
JJ was a class act, but he was never a world beater at QB. He has a middling arm and he was slower than Grant Noel breaking from the pocket (his overall speed wasn't terrible, but getting to that speed was like watching paint dry).
There is another option. If he knew it was 50/50 this year, he knows for sure QP is expected the following year. He knows he is not an NFL qb so the last years of competitive football are running out.
I personally think Willis limited the offense this year in more ways than what show up by his arm talent. Perhaps he improves this year but I would think most of his development is behind him. JJ sometimes played too cool and Willis can play overamped.
I will still be very interested in the QB battle this year.
I agree on the 50/50, was why I said if the young guys are better or on par. If it's close then obviously you roll with the younger more athletic guy. So my original three options still apply and either JJ realized this himself or the coaches were honest with him in the evaluations and let him know this could be a possibility. Without any idea, being a former player I tend to believe it's a bit of both. You know when someone is better than you or getting there. And even if you think you are better you know/can tell who a coach thinks is better or has more potential. And on the flip side this is the coaches livelihood, so they are honest with you for the most part. I straight up asked my coach if I had a shot to play and he was honest with me.....he said, "we believe this is gonna be our guy". "We May be shitting in one hand and wishing in the other". I already knew the answer before I asked the question, but wanted to hear it and I did.
RW or JJ transferring was expected. JJ, with two years left, has more motivation to transfer. It's not just 2019, he can't lose out 2020 to QP either. And he has more to offer on the market.
The scuttlebutt since the bowl game was that a) Fuente preferred RW to JJ, b) QP legitimately May beat them both out and c) the coaches didn't love how JJ worked thru his rehab.
I'm a JJ over RW guy, but the writing was on the wall here.
Plus if he gets that medical redshirt he has major upside for a team.
Now that it's official, I wonder what the odds are he winds up at Bowling Green. I was honestly very surprised JJ stuck with VT after Loeffler was let go. I world be interested to see what Lefty could do with the QB he's basically been recruiting since 8th grade.
Would he be eligible immediately?
Yeah, apparently he's got his degree.
He's expected to graduate in May. Still got one semester left.
Heard from some SAUCES that more is to come on the offensive side of the ball.
Bloody Wednesday is not over yet until the clock strikes midnight.
Fml.
I think we're all just waiting for McClease to make it official. That's the only other name I've heard thrown around.
One of my best friends lives in Blacksburg and is connected to a few reporters and folks in the athletic department. He said there is 1-2 more on offensive who is going to be transferring
Going to guess some OL. Maybe PP
1-2 more after McClease, or including him?
1-2 more AFTER
That's it! Fire everyone!
J/K.
This is not good, but that many QB's in the QB room meant someone was transferring. I was expecting it to be HH.
McLease leaving is also disappointing, but maybe he feels that between King and Gary his reps will be drastically reduced.
Now, more than ever, college football is about playing time for these players. That's totally understandable. There's no reason to put forth the effort required to be a P5 football player if you aren't going to get a lot of snaps.
Having said that. I don't think many people are going to accept "attrition" as an excuse if this team performs poorly next year.
I don't see Gray playing much next season just due to injuries, well didnt see him playing much. Cunningham I can understand finding a team that features TEs more traditionally than we do if he wants to show pd for the NFL. JJ I can see to some extent, but Kumah and McClease dont make sense to me. But I have have had 3 jobs for 13 different companies, so lots of companies buying other companies. The previous job I tried for a year after the last merger and I just didn't fit with the company so I left. My title, pay, job didnt change, but it wasn't the same, it wasn't what I signed up for. I was consulting sp I didn't really deal with the company that much. Many people are still happy there. I just needed something different. I really liked the new ceo too. But the company changed and some of the little/hidden benefits changed in ways I didn't like so I left.
Sometimes the intangibles can make a big difference.
JJ calls it disrespect.
Part of me thinks that it's generally a bad idea to have a QB looking over their shoulder in fear of getting pulled for some bad plays, but man no one is entitled to their job.
Bryan Randall was the best example of this. When MV5 got kicked off the team, Randall balled out and I truely believe that wouldn't have happened if he was dealing with the pressure of MV5 breathing down his neck all year.
What the heck? Thanks for your contributions but if your little ego is so fragile that you aren't willing to work to be the best you can be and let the chips fall where they may, then see ya later. I want the leader of my offense to LOVE competition.
Just because you win a starting job doesn't mean you're guaranteed to start the next . Talent comes through and it's every players job to get better and compete to be the starter . I think JJ just knew there would be a good chance his time was coming to an end as a starter . Wish him the best .
Last year he was brought to the ACC media day because JF said it was a good idea to bring your starting quarterback. So, how exactly is that competing for your starting job?
Jackson doesn't think people compete every year for their positions at blue blood programs? He doesn't think coaches aren't competing for their's every year? NFL players aren't competing for their's every second of every day?
Get the fuck out of here with that comment. Nobody is going to hand you shit in the real world. You have to continuously produce to keep your place unless you work in the public sector or something.
This confirms what I've heard about him. It also confirms why he always looked so uninspired on the field.
It also confirms why he always looked so uninspired on the field.
Was my initial thought too
If true - then get to stepping. A real QB would be confident he would win and act like a leader. If true is the key
That's a curious standpoint to make when we just had an Elite 11 QB come into the program and redshirted last year.
I would think the nature of college football should/would always lead to an open competition every spring, especially with the number and level of QBs we've been bringing in.
Especially when the last 2 national champions have been QB'd by true freshmen who supplanted established starters
This is a fundamental concept in sports and in life in general. I played tennis in high school and each player was seeded on the team. At any time the player seeded below you could challenge you to a match to take your seed.
That was high school tennis for goodness sake. My reaction to being challenged was, "Good, bring it on you glass bastard. I get to prove why I'm ahead of you".
I just dont understand his mindset. To me it is entitled and weak. Compete in the offseason with your teammates or get the fuck out.
+1 for the high school tennis reference
I'm very late to this, but I'm glad I'm on the same page as most here.
I was very disappointed to hear that JJ allegedly didn't feel he had to compete again for the starting job. Yeah sure, it wasn't fair nor his fault that he got hurt. But Ryan Willis played arguably well in JJ's place and to say that Ryan doesn't deserve a shot to be starter as well is wrong. JJ won the job a couple of times before and he should have the confidence that he can do it again.
Dude, *THANK YOU* for "glass bastard"! I'm going to use that phrase every day.
Wrestling was the same way. In a sick* way it was enjoyable to dominate the people behind you
The goal of any wrestler, it would seem to me, is domination of the opponent. It is a one on one competition, after all, and as physical as it gets, short of boxing or martial arts stuff.
Sounds more like entitlement than disrespect.
No disrespect to Josh - I think this year is unique in that the 'transfer portal' has become something new, so there are more and social media, its louder. But Im sure hes not the only person transferring who shares this sentiment.
..that being said, people are upset these players are leaving, but are also claim Virginia Tech should be competing for ACC championships/National Championships.
I guarantee Alabama and Clemson have players competing for every spot, and if they dont - theyre gone...Kelly Bryant didnt seem to be too fond of Dabo,
Yeah...... I love JJ, but this isn't a D1 mentality. Leaving because you don't like that there's competition?
Clowney chiming in on transfers
He'll be competing for a spot again where he lands....and the dude(s) that are there now will have to compete with this "transfer" dude now too.
via GIPHY
Here's the thing about JJ that bothers me......we seemed to have forgot about the "scandal" that he was involved in in May/June.
Many folks posted that this wasn't his first time engaging in less than ethical practices involving his academics.
If we are going to lose a QB because of a crowded roster, then I'm glad it's him. In addition to his academic issue, he seemed to carry himself as if his poo smelled better than anyone else since his dad was a football coach, and lacked leadership on the field. Just seemed to go through the motions.
And if this aura that surrounds him worked on infecting the locker room with a negative attitude, then, bye.
This sort of comment just isn't called for.
While it may be poorly presented.... if it's the truth, sometimes the truth hurts..?
How was this uncalled for? He had an issue of his academics where it was widely reported that it involved cheating....some folks stated this wasn't his first rodeo. This incident made national news, which is as embarrassing has having a player engaging in lawless conduct.
Someone else posted above that Jackson stated that he felt like he already earned his spot and didn't feel like he should have to earn his starting spot. That's a cancerous mindset for the QB of the team, where competition should always be constant. After all, it's how improvement is made both as a person and as a team.
I also noted exactly what many others have posted is that Willis is a leader on the field. He has a spark. JJ did not, based on my observation.
Finally I said *if* he has a negative attitude in the locker room, then see you later, as that negativity is ruinous to a team or organization.
I make no apologies for the post.
None of that has ever been substantiated by anybody. Ever. Pure speculative trashing of a players name just because they don't want to play here anymore is a bad look.
None of that has ever been substantiated by anybody. Ever.
were ok with talking bad about UNC players all day even though nothing has ever been substantiated by the NCAA but when josh Jackson makes head lines and is suspended from the team for a short period of time while the NCAA investigates were trashing players?
Considering he was cleared by the honor court, I think it could probably be looked at much more favorably than most allegations would.
Just because he's not going to be on the team anymore doesn't absolve us of the rule that we shouldn't trash a guy with unsubstantiated issues.
You are doubling down now.
This sort of behavior gets downvoted into the gray with current players regularly during the season. I've done my part on your comments to "police our own" with downvotes.
Yet he hasn't gotten he has more legs then downvotes
I don't know if he ever thought that, but it was comical how every commentator brought it up every game. It became a part of our drinking games and never disappointed.
This thread is turning into a bad look IMO. The guy sacrificed his time and body to play for VT and wants to go have a better shot to make a name for himself. Of all the transfers out recently, this one makes the most sense.
There's no need to throw his character under the bus based on pure speculation and unsubstantiated rumors. Personally I wish him well. If nothing else he's the reason why the Black Diamond Trophy is still in Blacksburg. He's not out there acting like a fool like Trevon.
agree 100%
I wish him well. I hope he does fantastic elsewhere. I don't think people here mad at him for leaving.
What I see are some comments about who the best QB to play for us is. I also see comments about why he might be leaving and what people think about that information if it's true. I don't think this thread is a bad look. I guess it could be perceived that way.
ESPN posted a TOP 10 QB transfers power rankings. the list is as follows. JJ listed at 10. heres the full article. list below.
ESPN TRANSFER QB POWER RANKINGS
1. Jalen Hurts (Alabama to Oklahoma)
2. Kelly Bryant (Clemson to Missouri)
3. Jacob Eason (Georgia to Washington)
4. Justin Fields (Georgia to Ohio State)
5. Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame to UCF)
6. Shane Buechele (Texas to TBD)
7. Ben Hicks (SMU to Arkansas)
8. Hunter Johnson (Clemson to Northwestern)
9. Tate Martell (Ohio State to Miami)
10. Josh Jackson (Virginia Tech to TBD)
Jackson announced earlier this week he's also exploring whether to move to another school as a graduate transfer. He is scheduled to graduate in May and would have two years of eligibility remaining. Jackson was the Hokies' starting quarterback as a redshirt freshman in 2017, throwing for 2,991 yards with 20 touchdowns and nine interceptions. He started the first three games in 2018, but suffered a leg injury against Old Dominion in the third game and didn't play again. He might be able to petition the NCAA for a medical redshirt, which would leave him with three years of remaining eligibility.
Not sure why he wouldn't apply for the medical redshirt.
have to miss 2 seasons with an injury not just one.
Yep he would have to prove he was redshirted his first year due to injury. This could be anything though and odds are he had some sort of sprain or contusion or something his first year that could be used as a reason to sit out.
That rule was changed recently. He can get a medical redshirt and 6th year since he redshirted his freshman year.
I thought I recalled that had changed as well but couldn't find a single mention of it when I did a search on medical hardship waivers.
I just had visions of JJ transferring to Miami 🤯
tate martell would be pissed and have to re-enter the portal again. is there a limit on how many times you can be in the portal?
Geez, so many people bad mouthing JJ. To my knowledge, He's never spoken a bad word about VT or its coaches once. He's kept it classy so why is everyone so butthurt about him transferring? Lets move on
I think it's less about him transferring and more about the attitude he was rumored to have that led him to transfer, which I have to admit isn't what you want to see in a D1 starter. But I'm with you, not really worth getting butthurt about.
Yeah I understand what they are upset about but as we agree. Not worth it. Hill I understand but JJ has left it classy so we should to. Be gracious for the time he gave us. Dude broke his leg playing for VT.
If we want to get pissed off about all of this, choose to be pissed off at Woody and the Richmond Times. They've been dissing VT all week, culminating with a hyperbolistic editorial cartoon in today's sports section making it seem like everyone in the locker room is trying to cram out the door. It's already been obvious that the RT loves the 'hoos and grudgingly covers VT sports, but this past week was a doozy. They also chastised us for not accepting our season's demise and giving up when we scheduled Marshall. I was still in JJ's corner vs Willis until JJ decided he didn't want to have to compete again this spring. Now, I just bid him adieu and bon chance.
Let's be honest JJ was never gonna be the guy to lead us to the CFP. Fuente better hope (me too) QP will be that guy..
Are you suggesting that a CFP appearance is what Fuente needs to stay off the hot seat? At Virginia Tech? Maybe I'm reading something into your statement that isn't there.
If we have another losing season and with everything that's happened this off-season, I do believe he will be in the hot seat, don't you? I mean I'm hoping for a 9-10 win season but we will see!
I don't agree that only a CFP appearance will keep his seat comfortable. I think a 9-10 win season, with improvement in some key areas, will be more than adequate for the 2019 season. I'm hoping for the same thing you are, because that will mean we had a better season but also because I think it will be enough to keep a good coach in town long enough to see where his ceiling is. I'm perhaps unreasonably fearful of a premature exit and what the long term consequences of such a decision would mean for the program.
I just wonder if we have a couple more 9-ish wins season but no ACC championship to show, say 2-3 years from now. Do you you than is enough to warrant a contract extension for Fuente or does the seat at some point get hot because a winning season may just not be enough..
Given where VT football is today, I would say an absolute achievement like an ACC championship is probably not realistic. Everything is relative right now. We are not a constant and/or a mainstay if you will. That really ended with Tyrod Taylor's departure. There was a window starting with Michael Vick and ending with Tyrod Taylor where ACC Championships a good number of years was a reasonable expectation. Had the appropriate coaching changes been made and recruiting (especially QBs) improved, VT would look more like Clemson. Instead we had the same old uninspiring coaching which resulted in a team that looked completely lost on offense and that cost us recruits. VT and Clemson switched places.
I don't think the playing field between VT and Clemson well be leveled in 2-3 years. It may not be leveled for far longer but an experienced VT team vs an inexperienced Clemson team could result in a VT win down the road (meaning not 2019 or even 2020). I would say that if we don't win the coastal at least twice in 2-3 years that seat starts to get hot. I don't expect Miami to remain a mess with Diaz as head coach. I really think he is going to cause a lot of trouble for us.
As I said before, everything is relative. We need the right circumstances to unfold in the Coastal to get to the ACCCG. Clemson might not be "curb stomp Bama" good next year but they're going to be good. The key to rebuilding (I used to reject that term) is showing up and playing them hard year after year. We get enough good showings, I think recruiting will pick up. It's easier to convince a guy he's the difference between an ACCCG appearance and a CFP appearance. It's not so easy to convince him he's the difference between a 6-7 season and an ACCCG appearance.
They key to VT's resurgence is winning games we should win and then winning a couple we shouldn't. Do I expect us to roll into Notre Dame and walk away with the dub? Not really. But that's the kind of game we need to win to get back in the spotlight and the good graces of the sports pundits. I'm not saying that getting back in the graces of the sports pundits is necessary but we have a bad habit of looking like crap when they talk us up. Having said that, we can't drop a game to ODU regardless of the outcome of Notre Dame and we can't get blown out IN ANY GAME.
Would I be surprised if we made it to the ACCCG in 2019? A little, but when you consider our schedule our toughest game is likely going to be Notre Dame and a loss there does not prevent us from getting to the CG.
I say Fuente gets renewed if we don't get blown out in any game (maybe with the execution of ND and if we make it to the CG, Clemson) in 2019 and we don't lose to ODU. A repeat of this year will definitely put him under pressure to make changes and the side of the ball that is determined to be the issue will see SIGNIFICANT changes.
I disagree. Our 2011 was good enough to and should have been able to win the ACC.
This is pretty much where I'm at. We win 9-10 games, and only drop a couple close ones to teams we're supposed to lose to, then I think he gets renewed. But I also agree it's not a simple black/white or win/loss situation. I think we all need to see and believe that the trajectory is solid and the future is bright. If we somehow win 9 but still have a more pessimistic than optimistic outlook, I think his seat gets hot. There needs to be on field success and some excitement around program (bring in the $$). Typically I'd say one comes with the other, but who knows with the way the program is so guarded these days.
Good points, you can only hope for the best but I'll be honest I haven't seen much from this staff from the on the field product to recruiting that makes me feel optimistic that we would be the next Clemson in terms of success. I'm not saying winning 9-10 games a year is disappointing, I'll take it but I'll think we will know the ceiling of this staff by year 5.
Hope the best for JJ. But lets be honest. If anyone thought he was coming back to be the starter after it was determined that his injury was season ending you were fooling yourself.
Hope he finds a team out there and does well.
I thought he would come back and win the job in the offseason/fall practice. Didn't think he'd be unwilling to compete.
I agree, solid game manager but not the ideal QB for Corny's offense.
I miss the days when we were all worried that some big dog (cough, F$U, cough) was going to steal Coach Fuente away from VT with a fat contract offer. Good times...
Their new OC's salary was just released. 200,000 thousand from the school and 800,000 from the booster club. I can't even imagine the Hokie Club having that kind of pull.
The way the transfer rule reads, if Jackson were to graduate in the spring and had stayed next year and started graduate school at vt would he still have been able to transfer under the graduate transfer rule after next season? The way it reads to me was that you are allowed to find a new program for your Masters not sure how starting and then changing that Masters program would fit in if he would have to sit a year.
For what its worth, #sauces on TSL are saying Jackson is heading to Louisville
He could wear Lamar's uniform and save money.
Fairly certain it said L. Jackson
Change his name to Losh
247 is saying a different school
also for what its worth chris Cunningham has an upcoming visit with Louisville as well.