December DC Replacement Thread

Now that we have an idea of who is available, I thought it would be fun to actually get a tangible list of possibilities going...

Name Current/Last Team & Role Connection to VT 2019 Salary (Unless otherwise noted)
Chris Ashe Former Rutgers Head Coach None $2,200,000
Charlie Strong Former USF Head Coach None $2,500,000
Barry Odom Former Mizzou Head Coach Fuente Connection $3,500,000
Todd Grantham Current UF Defensive Coordinator Alum $1,800,000
Torrian Gray Current UF Defensive Backs Coach Alum, Former Coach $450,000
Justin Hamilton Current VT Safety's Coach Alum, Current Coach N/A (Can't find)
Charlie Wiles Current VT Defensive Line Coach Current Coach $280,000 (2018)
Todd Bates Current Clemson Defensive Line Coach None $375,000
Mike Reed Current Clemson Secondary Coach None $570,000
Glenn Schumann Current UGA Co-Defensive Coordinator None $550,000
Clayton White Current WKU Defensive Coordinator None $291,304
David Blackwell Current ODC Defensive Coordinator None $300,000
David Reeves Current UAB Defensive Coordinator None $191,500 (2018)

I'll try to update as more suggestions/rumors come up.

Edit #1: Added more names, and current salaries where available.

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My only hope is that we are not beholden to the current scheme. Hire the best guy you can get, one that can recruit like wildfire. Give me Jimmies and Joes over Xs and Os every day.

Not sure how you can say this given the makeup of all our successful defenses under the guy who just left

I would say look how much better our D was the years we had legit NFL talent. Particularly look how much of an impact Tim Settle made.

We aren't going to get a wizard like Bud again because they don't exist. Let's get someone that is good at the job and can also recruit players that make him look even better.

There have been a lot of good defenses with ~3 star guys across the board and lot of bad ones loaded with high 4-5's. I'd rather be high 3's and 4's with a great scheme than absolutely kill the recruiting game and run a 3-4 that gets gashed for 40+ points a game

That's a bogus argument. There are plenty of examples of guys that are good DCs that can also recruit good to great talent. If Bud had a weakness he wasn't a great recruiter. Due to better exposure and evals, the days of finding diamonds in the rough are pretty much gone.

Due to better exposure and evals, the days of finding diamonds in the rough are pretty much gone.

Yeah, these days you can't find 3* guys who turn into first round draft picks, that never happens anymo...

Market inefficiencies will always exist but a singular market inefficiency will eventually peter out. Recruiting is not dissimilar from running a hedge fund: Find unknown arbitrage opportunities, exploit the hell out of it and find new arbitrage opportunities when the market corrects itself.

Two counters:

  • An exception doesn't prove the rule - you can't build a whole team on Edmunds-like-players because there's (by definition) a limited quantity of them
  • The difference between recruiting and PE/Hedgefunds is that the returns from one very successful exit can fund a ton of other risky opportunities. This does not hold true in recruiting. The returns yielded from the Edmunds end as soon as they leave the team. And if you find a 'high return player' they will leave the team as soon as possible.

The point being, I agree that there are ways to find 'diamonds in the rough' in recruiting, but (1) I don't believe you can build a whole recruiting strategy around finding these guys, and (2) I question if the return is worth the effort, and I think it would be a better use of coaches' time/recruiting budget to focus on landing 4-stars that play like 4-stars, instead of searching for 2-stars that will play like 4-stars.

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An exception doesn't prove the rule - you can't build a whole team on Edmunds-like-players because there's (by definition) a limited quantity of them

Yeah I was going to say.... The fact everyone has that one 3* guy who blew up in college to become an NFL star kind of in itself shows how rare it is that it happens. When you're a 4* or 5* guy, the expectation is that you're going to make it to the NFL, not so much at the lower ratings.

Fact of the matter is, as you said, the frequency of those diamonds in the rough have plummeted over the past 20 years with the onset and development of recruiting services. Guys just rarely fall through the cracks anymore.

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It's bogus if you take it as me saying recruiting doesn't matter at all. But that doesn't make sense. I'm questioning the statement "Jimmies and Joes over X's and O's" especially on defense. It's not a binary choice as you point out, but there are a lot of Jimmies and Joes that can make it work. There aren't a whole lot of guys that know the X's and O's can apply it successfully.

I would argue just about the opposite "Due to better exposure and evals, the days of finding diamonds in the rough are pretty much gone"

there is sooooo many evaluators and so much over exposure that its a log jam, and not all kids are getting properly evaluated they are getting thrown into a pot and saying yup looks like a 3 star on to the next yep looks like a 3 star. 3 star is a lump category for kids that don't get evaluated correctly. some are no star kids and some are 4 star kids but no one knows till they show up and play somewhere. also a lot of star ratings bump up with offers not because the player was reevaluated or did anything to get better. 2 star gets bama offer but plays at the same level he was evaluated at and he suddenly becomes 4 star. why? because if bama wants him he must be better than a 2 star they must see something we (being the ranking sites) didn't see. nah actually kids exactly the same kid he was the day before he got the bama offer when you ranked him a 2 star.

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I'm not arguing that it can't be done, but the days of building a successful program on that concept (VT circa 1995-2015) are gone. Blue Chip Ratio is real, and talent is the lifeblood of a program.

The blue chip ratio only applies winning a National Title. It has nothing to do with building a successful program (unless winning the title has to be done to be successful)

The issue with building a program on hidden gems isn't that more evaluations happen or anything like that. It's literally that hidden gens can't stay hidden because recruiting services have to sell their product. Alabama's never going to have a 2* recruit under Saban. If Bama offers a 2* recruit then the services will say oops and recalibrate the rating based of the offer not the tape. If you want to be the #1 recruit you cant commit early because there's no story so you will dropped in rankings. What's really rhe difference between #1 and #10, still both blue chip 5*. One position sells more stories.

The number of 5* hasn't changed much over the past 20 years. Those players will always have the most tape, the most evals, the most interest, there is a reason for the blue chip ratio. Hell those guys are so well evaluated that being in the top half of 5* is statistically significantly better for your pro career than the bottom half.

Looking at the NFL draft over half of the draft is 3* it lower (over 100 players 3*or lower every year). The first round is typically filled with more 3* ir lower ranked recruits. The talent is there. They are still being overlooked. The issue is the numbers game. Top half of 5* is like 20 guys at most. 65% of them are first round picks. Most of the rest are 2nd round picks. Those guys are really good. But for the 3* players the 100 or so making the draft is like 5% of all 3* recruits. Your not going top hit on that many, but there are enough out there if one team hits the lotto.

The blue chip ratio only applies winning a National Title. It has nothing to do with building a successful program (unless winning the title has to be done to be successful)

Our goal for next season isn't to win a national title. But that is/should be our longer term goal.

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What are some examples of these defenses "loaded with 4 and 5* guys getting gashed for 40+ a game?"

Bama last three games, maybe Miami, Texas, Michigan?

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The original point - someone who is boasting he'd rather have 3* players and scheme over 'high 4-5* players' because those are 'giving up 40+ points a gaime' - and your response is Bama? Not sure that works. If you're going to get that literal about it, none of the programs you named are giving up 40+ a game, either.

A roster full of 3* players isn't going to win us anything. I am not sure why this is still an argument for some people.

I see the English understander has logged on. You're insinuating I'd rather have 3 star guys "because" 4-5 star guys give up 40+ a game? Go back a reread the initial post. Also "boasting" is totally an accurate and relevant word to use there dude, congrats on definitely understanding the language.

Any top tier Big 12 team

Well the comment also said running a 3-4 which specifically referred to Mark D'Onofrio who was at Miami pre-Diaz and at Houston post Herman. Didn't matter who was in that scheme neither of those teams stopped anyone with a pulse.

If you need a list of bad defenses with outstanding players just go back and watch some of the last few seasons. To name a few: FSU 2014, 2017-2019. Sumlin's A&M teams. SC during Spurrier's last few years. Ole Miss and Miss St this year and since 2016. Oklahoma on a yearly basis. Texas Mack's last and Strong's first couple years. Michigan pre Harbaugh. Smart's first year at Georgia switching schemes. Nebraska yearly. Stanford the last couple of years. NC State 2017 with 4 senior NFL defensive linemen. This is just off the top of my head.

Oklahoma- countless times the past 10 years. Texas - when Maryland was making them their bitch the past 2 seasons comes to mind. Baker Mayfield chewing up UGA, etc etc

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Where are you getting the Bates and Reed names from?

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Glenn Schumann from UGA was an early rumor who I hope is being considered. I think he would be an excellent hire for us!

Yep. That'd be interesting

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Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Some former players and alumni seem upbeat about his firing. I don't care what anyone says, this guy ALWAYS seemed to turn under recruited kids into NFL Offensive lineman. BC always seemed to have a strong run game.

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Maybe we shouldn't even try.

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Again, I think Clayton White from WKU is a viable candidate.

My vote is Odom if you can get him. I think Gray is a pipe dream considering how the end of his time here seemed to go down.

Does any of this really matter since Fuente will be at Arkansas or Mizzou?

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Chris Ash lost to VT in 2014, and subsequently won the national title with a shutout of Wisky and a beatdown of Bama and Oregon.

In 2015, he beat VT, and everyone else. anOSU offense beat themselves against Mich St.

He's 1-1 against VT, it's a connection.

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Meh. I say the table is correct, he has no connection and I would prefer it stay that way. He was able to win with the talent that recruiting at anOSU provide and fell flat on his face when he didn't have the talent advantage. I would much rather get a guy who has shown he knows how to use what talent he has and still make it work.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Here's what makes this so hard for us that love VT and Foster - every hire is literally a step down or at best an even swap, since we are replacing the greatest DC of the past two decades. When we hired Loeffler, it felt exciting because we had bottomed out (or so we thought) on offense.

So to reiterate my earlier post, just hire the best guy we can get, but the prerequisites for the job should be: ace recruiter, solid history (don't care if they've been a head coach) and no skeletons.

In that order.

i prefer my DC hire to have exactly one skeleton and for it to be actively supporting his body

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Skeleton?
This guy is the closest thing to a living skeleton coach that I've seen
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You saw skeleton? All I can see is this:

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If it's an even swap, is that really such a bad thing?

Feels like the only even swap would be a pipe dream, like Venables

Can I also assume that the former head coaches with the high salaries will still be paid these salaries in the coming years until their original contracts are over? And if they become a less paid coach, the school that fired them have to cover the differences in salary?

So, bargain rack?

Alot of times yes.

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We've taken advantage of this before, I think.

We need to pick the right guy. Fine if we get a discount. I think we got a discount on Loeffler.

Yea and we should have left him in the bargain bin where we found him

Most contracts have stipulations that if they take another job they forfeit the buyout owed to them. This is the case with Taggart's buyout. Or whatever you want to call their agreement lol.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Usually it lessons the buyout it doesn't forfeit it. Bama is full of fried coaches working for less because their former job is still paying them.

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I believe that's because their roles are as "consultants." I'm sure the language is dependent on the job they take. If they are actually coaching they forfeit it. But a lot of those guys are just consultants or something like that.

Of course, it varies from contract to contract but I don't know of many contracts that have guys that get fired then take a HC job somewhere that get to keep that buyout income.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Bama is full of fried coaches

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Most contracts have offset languague - so the firing school is only responsible for paying the difference between the amount due and their new salary. With typical offset contract language, the firing school would only be completely off the hook if the coach landed a job at the same or higher salary than they were due, which is pretty unusual but not impossible (see: Kliff Kingsbury). Going from a HC position to a DC position would definitely lead to a decrease in compensation and not get the firing school off the hook completely.

It depends on their contracts, but, yes, it is fair to assume that most, if not all, of the HCs have offset language in their contract that would pay the difference.

Note: some HCs who have a lot of leverage at the time they were hired have negotiated contracts without offset language, which means the firing school owes the full buyout, regardless of future employment.

I will stay with my first choice of David Reeves of UAB. Top 10 defense 2 years running on a team that just got it's football program back.

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I don't like looking at a ranking like that from a school that doesn't play anybody. I don't want VT to be a place where coaches figure out if they can play with the big boys.

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If that were the case then we probably should not have hired Fuente. I mean that's the argument I kept hearing when we were in a really bad place early on in this season. That his Memphis days haven't translated to P5 ACC football.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a DC who took a lower tier school with no program prior to him taking the helm with limited talent produced top 10 defenses might be able to take that system and make it work with higher caliber talent.

It doesn't matter anyway because hes not even on the radar. My top picks after him are Glenn Schumann and Torian Gray. But stilll, both of them are as much a crap shoot as they have zero DC experience as they are both assistants to the guys who run the show.

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Schumann has a co-DC title. Not sure if that's in title only or what.

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What was Foster being paid this year, as a comparison?

$950k. In 2018, Nix was getting $200k, and Wiles and Mitchell each got $280k. So we have at least $1.5M for the entire defensive staff.

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I'd be ok with both of these guys on the staff. I'd also be ok with Odom.

Flowers was a hell of a player for the Hokies and has NFL ties. Does he have any collegiate coaching experience?

No coaching or even staff experience that I'm aware of. I don't think we'd want to give him an assistant coach position just because he was a great player. If he's interested in a staff position, then sure, bring him in-house in that sort of capacity.

I agree on experience as a hard prerequisite. An in-house / off-the-field capacity would make sense to me.

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That's why I said "on the staff" and not "as a coach".

Flowers also said "staff", not assistant coach.

So if Gray is getting love, what's the deal with him and Fuente? I've heard murmurs before that the two don't get along, but why? What went down?

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Didn't they make Torrian Gray take a paycut so Fuente could pay his Memphis buddies handsome salaries?

Allegedly at the end of his run with us Gray was giving offers to people Fuente didn't sign off on and Fuente cut his pay.

I think it was the pay cut.

Maybe fixable with the right number of $$$.

Rumor floating about is that when Fuente was hired, he cut Gray's pay and brought in a bunch of his guys and gave them all raises. Supposedly ruffled a bunch of feathers and T Gray left for Florida. Apparently that was somewhat an issue but not as big a deal as everyone thought, as Fuente did give Gray a decent counter offer to keep him.

TG left for the Redskins, and landed at UF from there

edit: thanks to everyone who pointed out that TG went to UF then to the Redskins and then back to UF

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He went to UF first for a year, then to the Skins for two and back to UF this year.

He went to UF, then Washington, then back to UF.

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He was at Florida in 2016, then Redskins 2017-2018, then back to Florida this year.

Actually! He went to Florida first, then Washington, then took some time off and went to the bahamas, then key west, then he had to do some grocery shopping at Publix, then picked up a prescription for one of his daughters, then had to go back to Publix because he forgot the lettuce, had to go to the dentist on Monday, AND THEN he went back to Florida.

This is all pretty common knowledge, don't know what you've been told...(eyeroll emojii)

This isn't a rumor. When Fuente came on staff, all position coaches (including Fuente's Memphis coaches AND special teams coordinator James Shibest, but excluding Zohn, who had far less coaching experience) were paid the same salary ($260k). This was a ~$15k paycut for TG and a ~$45k paycut for Wiles. Zohn got a $15k raise from $185k to $200k.

Galen Scott and Corny came in at $308k and $450k, respectively. Corny's salary was about $25k more than Lefty's. Galen had DC experience, and came in with an 'Assistant Head Coach' title.

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I said it then, and will repeat it now, but this has to be one of the most biased, short-sighted, risk-reward, boneheaded young head coach gaffes I can remember. Would it have KILLED Fuente to keep TG at his current salary to avoid running him off, at the expense of offering his guys each a 60% raise rather than 65%. We likely lost a potential defensive coordinator candidate, along with several years of defensive back development in exchange for $15,000 to coach corn .

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I don't know how to break this to you, but Gray was leaving VT soon after Beamer retired, regardless of salary. Perhaps the only thing that would have kept him was promoting him to DC instead of retaining Foster. Imagine how that would have gone over.

Beamer being the big whistle kept a lot of assistants around who otherwise would have tested the waters elsewhere to advance their career.

Galen Scott getting paid more and Corny getting paid almost double Wiles is absolute blasphemy, he's worth more than those two put together if you ask me.

I believe Fuentes put several D assistants at the same rate, which meant a cut for TG. Don't forget that TG (or any other D coach) could have been cut loose. It was apparently a leveling of salary with an implied message of "go earn your raises". It was not a bad move in my opinion.

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Yep he made it so most staff on both sides of the ball had even salaries. Instead of how it was before where defensive staff no matter longevity made more than offensive staff.

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Well it cost us a great secondary coach and we haven't had stability there since. So I'd say it was a bad move.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Correct. And performance drives market value for coaches and TG's value was higher, obviously, so he left.

Yep. I'd bet if anyone here had a boss who came into the role and set everyone's salary to the same amount and lower than their market value they wouldn't be saying "ah not a bad move!"

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Any coach at Florida is making more. Because Florida has more money.

That doesn't matter. Torian left VT and got a raise, demonstrating that his market value was more than what Fuente was willing to pay him. Fuente missed the mark.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Fuente has to do more with less. I didn't agree with how he handled Torrian, but Fuente doesn't have UFs budget.

Fuente had a bigger task at that time - merging staffs. We should give him credit for actually making that work.

But he didn't make it work lol. I'm not sure how you can say you didn't agree with how he handled it then say he made it work. Sure, he kept Bud. But he couldn't keep Torian because he didn't think Torian was worth his market value.

Just consider if it was you in your daily job. If your new boss asked you to take a pay cut you wouldn't be saying any of this lol.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

When his market value was known, from a UF offer, he made a counter offer. TG even said Fuente made him a great offer and it wasn't about the money.

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I remember the TG remarks when he left that it was not really about money, but more about being close to family in Florida. We don't know if that was true, but without other evidence I take his comments at face value.
Lots of people seem to be forgetting that Fuente could have justifiably canned all the Beamer holdovers and brought in all new guys. None of the Beamer staff was even guaranteed a job at VT. Taking a small pay cut probably didn't sit great with them, but it was much better than the alternative. When Gray was offered by UF it was reported (and confirmed by TG) that Fuente made a generous counter offer. Fuente did all he could do to maintain TG.

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That's all well and good but there's some bad blood somewhere.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Do we know that to be true?

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There was enough people close enough to the program to say there was.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Didn't some of his duties get pulled away to Galen Scott too? It would be pretty common to take a pay cut if you are doing less. We can say he botched it but we would be saying it with two all ACC corners currently on the roster. Does it cost us an opportunity to bring Torrian back? Maybe, maybe not, but we also don't know that he wouldn't have still ended up with the Skins and it be a moot point. I also have no idea how good of a coordinator he would be. He was obviously loved by ex players but that doesn't necessarily mean he would be great at game planning and adjusting. Too many unknowns to say anything was botched in my opinion.

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Haven't had stability since? We just had 2 all conference corners that are sophomores??

Brian Mitchell has been the Secondary / CB's coach since 2016. I'd call that stability.

And doing a pretty good job, too, if we look at how well Farley and Waller have been coached up.

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Who is this Fuentes person that you speak about?

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I just went from 6 to midnight, but what experience does Flowers have coaching?

While we're at it, let's MV7 as the OC. not /s

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Torrian Gray coming in as DC, retaining Wiles/Hamilton, and adding Brandon Flowers would pretty much be a dream come true for me.

I have no idea how it would work out, but fuck it... D. B. U.

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Macho Harris also tweeted in reply to Brandon Flowers.

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Is Kevin Jones or Lee Suggs looking for employment opportunities in the 24060 region?

Kevin Jones owns and runs a design firm in Blacksburg. Not sure if he'd have any interests to be on staff or would entrust his business to someone else to manage.

So just a fun anecdote I heard once that when T Gray would do film sessions with the DB's he we often slip in one of his own highlights and say something along the lines of "now to show you hows its done by big play Gray!". I know the players all loved him and it would be a really popular hire.

If TG comes back (my personal preference tbh), there's no need for Flowers (or Macho) to come back in an on-the-field coaching capacity. Torrian would/should be the DB's coach, and we'd need coaches for DL, LB, and Safeties. Unless you want to replace JHam, or ask TG to take over another position group, there's no need for Flowers or Macho.

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He says this as if he's been offered. Has he?

Or he's just using his voice as a fan favorite to lobby for his friend/mentor.

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Ya, that much is inferred. When he says he will join the staff if he does is what I was questioning. He said it as if he could join the staff if it happened.

Here's my thing with the DC hire. I'm in total agreement that we need to make the best long-term hire we can for VT football, whether that means keeping our current scheme or moving on to something else. The problem is, I don't really think Fuente has the benefit of a long defensive rebuild. There are expectations with this much returning talent to win the division and be in a NY6 bowl. If we squander that for the next few years by being bogged down in a major schematic overhaul, that would not be good for the program or Fuente's tenure at VT. French has suggested that transitioning to Odom's scheme would be a painful rebuild. I know with his experience and the Memphis connection it makes a lot of sense to people, but Fuente needs to think about this very carefully. The pressure is on to win next year.

Does T Gray really hate Fuente that much? If he's making $450,000, we can more than double his salary. He can't hate him that much right? Right??

His hiring would excite the football alumni which is something that is really important and really underrated. Bring guys like Flowers, Dhall, Macho, Kam, etc. back home. Plus there SHOULD be no learning curve for our players assuming they continue to run what Bud did

Let's be real here. VT has been a mediocre program for the better part of 8 years now. Fighting to stay above .500 in a weak coastal division, status quo to perhaps slightly improved recruiting, dynamic attrition for various reasons, a squarely middle of the pack ACC team for almost a decade. That is reality and the challenges we are dealing with. So VT could go two ways with this DC hire. They could hire an "up and coming" guy with question marks or what if's or nostalgic ties to VT or one of Fu's friends... or They could hire the best DC available in an effort to legitimately compete for ACC championships and chase Clemson. We'll see if Whit goes Buzz Williams or Kenny Brooks here.

is it impossible to think that someone could have VT ties (or have CJF connections) and be the best DC available?

How would you feel about Torrian Gray, Todd Grantham, or Barry Odom? First two having VT ties and Odom having Fuente ties?

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If the best DC available is Grantham- great, go get him. If it's the CB coach at Florida, that has never been a coordinator before- great go get him- and its a weak year for available DC's of that is the case. If Odom is the best - great go get him. Best should be the priority over - Cheap, Former Hokie, will work for less than Bud, Coached with Fu somewhere, etc. Hire the best guy available. We will know if that was really Whit's priority once the decision is made.

Not Whits call

Too much potential to waste next year. I think Fuente knows next year is going to show where the program is. His first real recruiting classes will all upperclassmen or at least have a year of experience. We need the best available hire.

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VT today is at worst the 3rd best team in the ACC. Now they can and should be better especially in the Coastal but they aren't middle of the pack.

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Semantics. We just lost to UVA, Duke and BC this season. We squeaked by Miami and UNC- in 6OT.. We are middle of the pack in the ACC. The sooner we admit that, the sooner we will hire better coaches and raise expectations.

Yep, and we went on a three game heater against Wake, GT, and Pitt that saved Corn's job. The program is at a crossroads and I'm really not sure Fuente recognizes it.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

The program is at a crossroads and I'm really not sure Fuente recognizes it.

He's not an idiot; he gets it. He may disagree with fans around the degree of importance of this hire, but he knows it's important.

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Then his decision to double down on the offensive staff is very damning.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I disagree with this for a few reasons. First of all, I do think a handful of the problems (not all) are execution and youth based. Secondly, no good leader throws his staff under the bus in the middle of a project. Behind closed doors? Sure. But it would be pretty dumb IMO to fire people before the season ended, or assign blame to them during press conference.

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I don't necessarily disagree with you expect for the season end part. I know we still have a bowl game but if you wait till then to make moves then you have severely limited your pool of candidates. Texas is quickly making changes and they still have a bowl game.

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Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Yea, you're right. Looking at The Athletic's coaching tracker, it's looking like a lot of assistants are being relieved of their duties. I can speculate on a handful of reasons why we're not doing this yet:

  • We're waiting to solidify our defensive staff so we can understand our budget going forward
  • We're not making changes
  • A decision has not been made - Fuente is still evaluating his assistants OR wants someone specific who he feels is an upgrade OR otherwise hasn't decided how he's going to reorganize
  • Fuente's leaving for Arkansas
  • We're waiting until after early signing period to make a change (please spare me the 'for what recruits???' argument)

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Another possible reason is that people we're considering still have bowl games, too.

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While possible, that would have to have been a done deal situation, not a just "considering" one. Waiting until after bowl season to ink a coach is a losing proposition due to the market being cleaned out by the time you get there. If we had someone contractually locked in and they just don't announce it yet, at least you don't risk missing out on a coach. You do, however, miss out on a lot of recruiting opportunities before early signing day.

That said, I'd give you "still have championship games" since you wouldn't want the distraction of coaches being one foot out the door before those, but tons of coaches participate in their bowl games after announcing a move.

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There's nothing stopping us from making that move now. Coaches bail on teams for bowl games all the time. Its part of the job and its part of the territory, because you need to get the staff organized for recruiting, which has only become more important with the early signing day in December. And even then, there are times where coaches still coach through the end of the bowl season despite already having another job lines up (see: Kirby Smart continuing at Alabama through the playoff when he had already been hired by Georgia)

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But it would be pretty dumb IMO to fire people before the season ended, or assign blame to them during press conference.

Well the good news is that the regular season for us ended a few days ago so there's nothing stopping him from making those moves now. In fact, with Early Signing Day rapidly approaching, now is probably the best time to make any moves that need to be made, especially at DC.

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^^This x100

Decisions on coaching changes have all been pushed way up because of this. You can't wait around and if you are going to fire a coach you almost HAVE to do it before the season ends and get someone in place as fast as you can. With the early signing period you can't dick around and announce someone late and not give them time to try and salvage the recruiting class. This is why I think you will start to see more coaches fired before seasons end in the years to come. There is no time to waste with the early signing period and you can't let your biggest cruits get take by other schools.

I agree, we need to hire someone that can coach and recruit right now. We have slipped into acc mediocrity, and will stay there if we dont adapt and change. The acc is at best the 3rd or 4th best conference, and we should take advantage of this hire to propel ourselves back to the top of the coastal

VT today is at worst the 3rd best team in the ACC.

It's also important to look at where we stand not just as a team, but as a program. Behind Clemson and behind FSU, with UVA, UNC, and GT having the ability to overtake us in the next 5 years if we don't separate ourselves.

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FSU is at a major program changing crossroads. Make another bust hire with its financial implications could have major program altering impacts. Especially during that time UF, Miami and UCF stay or get better.

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I don't disagree that FSU is facing challenges, but Blueblood schools (except for maybe Miami) can turn around the program very very quickly with a single good hire.

I also believe that we must compare ourselves not just to the ACC, but our 'Geographic rivals' as well - which includes PSU, UMD, and Kentucky. We shouldn't sit back and hope everyone around us fails while we maintain the status quo.

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FSU is on the fence of blue blood. They've had an incredible amount of success with how young their program is, but they aren't quite on the same level as Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma that are too big too fail

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Everyone has their own definition of 'Blueblood,' but however you cut it, FSU is one great hire away from being in the national championship. There's only 12-15 schools that can say that, and FSU is one of them.

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Yeah, but that great hire will have to figure out how to win with a bad oline. It will take more than 1.5 seasons.

I agree, and Taggart was making efforts to make that change, which I was I think he was fired prematurely, but I digress.

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They could hire an "up and coming" guy with question marks or what if's or nostalgic ties to VT or one of Fu's friends... or They could hire the best DC available in an effort to legitimately compete for ACC championships and chase Clemson.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Barry Odom is a Fuente guy who is a proven DC.

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I agree- it's not mutually exclusive. If VT wants to legitimately compete for a championship of any sort, priority 1-50 needs to be quality and not the other connections though.

Yea - I don't disagree with you, but I do believe that cultural fit is extremely important, and one way (not the only way) to gauge cultural fit is by previous relations. We don't want a Matt Canada situation here.

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Yes agreed. I'm hoping for something inspiring- like not promoting someone on staff or one of Kills cronies, etc. Go get the best guy. We need a great hire here, IMO.

Maybe the best hire is a current staff member, or a KillCrony.

I mean, dude... you said it. VT is a middle of the road ACC team. If that statement is true, then it isn't saying much because there is a traffic jam of GARBAGE teams in the middle of the ACC road.

So, a potential hire would have to consider several things -
1. Location/Pay. Not everybody loves Blacksburg as much as I do, and VT is not going to pay anybody Bud Foster money, besides Bud Foster.

2. Pending results next year or the year after, Fuente may either be forced to resign, or at the very least, cull the herd of assistants. Not many top assistants want to take that risk.

3. Following in the footsteps of a legend.

Based on your statements, who is the best hire that money could buy? I'm interested in actually hearing your opinion.

Leonard. Duh.

Pay a proven DC Bud Foster money. - The combination of those 2 will get you near the best if not the best guy out there. If you try to hire someone for half of Bud's salary, you aren't getting the best guy. the guy at ODU is not the best guy. Torrian Gray has never been a DC. Odom seems like he has the credentials- offer him Bud money and see if he is interested.- Start there.

Ok. Nice, we're getting there.

Who do you think the best proven candidate is for the VT job, assuming they will be available, or could potentially be lured from a current position, and also assuming VT would pay this candidate like they paid Coach Bud?

Edit - You suggested Odom. Got it. Didn't read the whole post like I should have.

Leonard. Duh.

You may be surprised on the pay. After all, Fuente made more in his first season than Beamer did in his final season.

Every team that isn't Clemson is currently middle of the pack (at best) in the ACC.

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interestingly, Body Reeder (OC) was dropped from North Texas who I thought had a decent season but I thought the UNT defense was not so good.
anyhow, onto the DCs:
Chris Ash and Barry Odom: Both have head coaching experience and I think they could potentially have interest in other places as HC. But I love to have Odom at maybe 800-950K for DC, its still a decent chunk of change, he was well liked by the Mizzou players and has Linebacker coaching and playing experience. Question is does he still want to be a Head coach?

Torrian Gray - This was always a long term possibility when Bud retires. He's a Defensive back coach, in order for this to work, we'll need to re-organize our DB coaches and hire a linebacker coach. Can he call a defense on every down is the main question? Would love to have him, he's a great person and players love him too.

Clayton White is an Interesting prospect as WKU had the best Points against in Conference USA. I don't know much about him but seems like a good option.

I also like Schumann especially having the linebacker pedigree.

like most of these candidates, I wish we could also take a look at some west coast guys but it will be impossible to get just with the regional familiarity

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Todd Orlando is also available after Texas let him go. For whatever wasn't working at Texas, he is still considered a Good DC. A few other DCs might become available in the next 2 weeks depending on staff overhauls and new coaches coming in.

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No doubt in my mind that Fuente has to nail this hire.

If it's Torrian Gray, would the coaches be amenable enough to bury the hatchet and start anew or will it create another fractured locker room?

If it's Barry Odom, this would be a hire that would be comfortable for Fuente due to familiarity. Will the fans stomach a transition period gracefully or sour quickly on him?

If it's Todd Grantham, a name that have forever been on the fans' wishlist to replace Foster, like above, it will require transitional period as he recruit the type of players to fit his scheme.

It's a weighty decision that Fuente has to nail.

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A DC on Bud's level should be able to adjust his scheme to the players in the program. That's my concern. We are losing not a good DC, we are losing a great one. A great replacement shouldn't require a 5 year defensive rebuild.

Any coach worth his salt would do while installing/teaching his scheme to the current and incoming crop of players.

My concern is the stomach of the fanbase. We are a few weeks removed from After Duke and the fans were ready to run Fuente out of town.

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There aren't that many great DC', or they wouldn't be great. So who are the 5 best DC's right now out there in your mind?

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1. Don Brown
2. Greg Mattison
3. Brent Venables
4. Dan Lanning
5. Brent Pry

Brent Pry was a GA for Foster (at VT) in the mid-90's.

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I also just Wiki'd this list :)

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UF just extended Grantham and increased his salary to $1.8M.

So he's not coming then.

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Yeah I think they only way Grantham would be coaching at VT in 2020 would be if he was the HC, and not DC (if the Fu to Arkansa thing actually came to fruition)

I'm fine with this, his defenses suck on third down.

I know this thread is about hiring a DC, but why would we hire a DC yet if we may lose Fuente to Arkansas?

We wouldn't... Should know pretty soon if Fuente is going to Arkansas, probably by end of week. I don't think we'll announce a DC hire before then.

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Truth be told: if Fuente took the Arkansas job, would anybody be really truly upset? Have to say I'm pretty indifferent. Totally up for another few years of Fu to see what he can do, but if he leaves, I'm ok with that too honestly.

Depends who we could get to replace him, and would hate to lose a player like DD out of the 2021 class.

But I can't say I've ever been enamored by him, and wouldn't necessarily miss him.

DD has said "The whole staff could change over and I'd still be all in on Virginia Tech". I think he has bought into VT, not Fuente.

That's all well and good, but Cam'Ron Kelly was 110% in or whatever too. Until a kid is here I'm not assuming it's a done deal, especially if our coach leaves.

I agree, but I don't think we lose DD because Fuente leaves.

You're right. You need them to be 800% committed before its real.

*800% committed

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I would be. I think Fuente is a pretty good coach, and I think we've built up some momentum, both on the field and in recruiting. Unless we hired Venables as HC and Morris as OC (which won't happen), I'm not sure there's many better coaches who are available to VT.

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Venables as HC and Morris as OC

I think this is the point that most of the "fire Fuente" crowd don't see. What realistic options would we have as a better replacement? There are no slam dunks out there in the coaching world so really the best we are doing is making an educated guess. While we may get the next PJ Fleck we could also get the next Willie Taggart... What I want people to realize is that if we were to fire Fuente, things could get MUCH worse long before they get better.

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Can't end up like Tennessee.

Truth be told: if Fuente took the Arkansas job, would anybody be really truly upset?

For me it would be more about the perception of our program than it would be about whether or not Fuente took the Arkansas job. We have 21 pretty talented starters returning next year. If Fuente left coaching in the easiest P-5 division of all CFB (where he's only been mediocre) to go to an SEC school where he's almost guaranteed to never win at a high level, then I'm not sure if that says anything good about where we are as a program.

Is it basketball season yet?

I think it says more about Fuente than it does about us, personally.

Maybe we should have hired a great recruiter like Tom Herman...

Herman is holding his staff accountable too. He's not excusing them now for something great they did 4 years ago.

idk man Todd Herman's twitter doesn't exactly paint him as being a great choice for a football coach

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I like Fuente, I wish he gave people more access to the program, but overall I am happy with him as our coach.

Truth be told: if Fuente took the Arkansas job, would anybody be really truly upset? Have to say I'm pretty indifferent. Totally up for another few years of Fu to see what he can do, but if he leaves, I'm ok with that too honestly.

Yes, this would set us back. Fuente is finally in a position to get results. He's a long term investment, not a short term one.

I was told to expect an announcement this weekend in the naming of the new DC. but I do not have any info on who it will be. (nothing worse than getting a text teasing information. don't tell me when tell me WHOOOO!!!! whit keeps things so hush I think it could literally be anyone on our list or no one on our list. I hope that whit has his hands all in the cookie jar on the hire though because I think we need a DC that maybe here longer than Fuente (I will Fuente and don't want him to leave anytime soon but hes got to keep trending up or we wont have a choice)

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I was told to expect an announcement this weekend in the naming of the new DC. but I do not have any info on who it will be.

This officially just became the longest week ever.

agreed. ugh its only Monday. and I'm really sick on twitter because there is to much LOLUVA popping up on my timeline right which makes it even worse.

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The TechSideline guys basically said they initially expected an announcement this week (or next if we had beaten UVA), but due to the Odom firing they believe Fuente will go hard for him and delay the announcement

If so that makes me think it's someone who is currently coaching on a team that is playing in a conference championship game this Saturday. Bates or Schumann would be the two most likely if that's the case.

So... do you think the wait is to hold off until they know if Fuente makes a move?

*bites into quick*

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Very well could be. A lot of people think the Arkansas rumor is BS, but it very well could not be. Fuente would be super close to home and they would likely throw some decent cash his way. The delay due to Fuente suddenly wanting to pursue Odom doesn't make as much sense to me. I'm sure that it wasn't a total surprise he was let go and they may have talked previously. Given how involved Whit has been in this hire, I would think he would view it as risky to put their Plan A on the back burner. That could easily fall apart and Odom may not work out anyway, so back to square one. I just think it's too far along in the process to suddenly start exploring a new option and potentially letting the guy you've been targeting walk.

Odom getting let go sure seems like a big surprise. Missouri just gave him an extension last year.

I'm sure that it wasn't a total surprise he was let go

It actually was... if you've been following banner society/Stephen Godfrey on instagram, he reported about it on his story yesterday. Said Odom job was not in danger until he asked the AD to give him 'a public vote of confidence.' This infuriated the administration so much that they decided to fire him. As Godfrey said: Odom "willed his firing into existence."

As far as why it's taken 24 hours to get the guy an offer, Fuente might be looking for someone with a DL scheme closer to Foster's, or Odom might have other options as a DC.

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That's one side of the story though. Why is he asking for a "public vote of confidence" from the administration unless he has some at least latent fear for his job security. Also seems the admin was pretty quick to the draw if that's the case. Sounds like they wanted to fire him and this was the perfect excuse. But who really knows.

Maybe, with the season that they had he "needed" the public vote of confidence for recruiting. Maybe, there were questions coming in from recruits that this would have gone along way in putting to rest.

Yeah he will be super close to home which would make the transition to head coach at Tulsa much easier in 3 years. Arkansas is a career killing move. Nothing like having a delusional fanbase at a program miles behind its peers in which you would be expected to win in one of the toughest divisions in football with a recruiting footprint that gets picked over by the big dogs of the SEC AND the Big12. That job will be a three year fast track back to the G5 for the next decade or until an AD is willing to put on paper that there will be a 5 year deal that only requires a peak of making a bowl game each year.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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fuente, buzz, young......our AD has my confidence. although I'm getting a little worried about that fuente hire. At the time I thought it was a slam dunk and I'm not ready to write him off yet, next season should go a long way in determining just how long fuente will be welcome in blacksburg. But anyway, I still got confidence in our AD to make to good DC hire.

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Fuente decides who he wants to coordinate the defense; not the AD. I'm sure our AD had input and will sign off on it, but he will not make that choice for the head coach.

AD won't make the hire. Fuente will

Don't think Gray is coming, been well documented he is happy to be home. Though a boatload of cash could change that.

I hear this too but a couple things don't quite add up. he came back whats essentially VA in DC for the redskins job when he just got home. he either has aspirations to coach at a higher level which hes not going to be the DC at UF anytime soon, he doesn't really care that much about being in florida, or he is trying to make more money. either way all 3 of those things are things we currently offer over Florida. the only thing VT cant offer that the redskins did is the NFL but being a part of that NFL and that wasn't an NFL staff I would have been jumping to be a part of if just got home which was "really important" at the time. I have to believe that there are things out there that could entice gray to come back to VT. not saying that itll happen. but the reasoning for why he would stay at florida isn't real convincing for me.

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I think as an NFL coach, he could keep his house in Florida.

When I was talking to D Hall about college versus nfl, he mentioned there is more availability as an NFL coach. Bug thing was not having to recruit.

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If it is Odom, do any of us think he'd bring in Brick Haley as his DL coach to replace Wiles, who I am assuming will not be returning after Bud leaves?

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Godfrey at PAPN said he'd heard Ash as a name in connection with the job, for what that's worth.

Optimal scenario for me is Grantham bringing Gray with him and keeping Wiles.

Gray might seem like the perfect hire on paper but he's never been a coordinator before and the end of his tenure here there were a few cringe moments (Clay Dean offer, recruiting slip up rumors). Not saying it'd be a bad hire or wouldn't work out but a couple red flags have been seen.

That isn't happening.

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LOL why don't we just hire Nick Saban while we're at it.

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Yeah I mean it's like the best scenario within reason

We have a much different interpretation of "within reason"

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Grantham makes $1.8 million as Florida's DC. If he leaves UF it's because he takes an NFL DC job.

There is no scenario within reason that he takes the VT DC job this off-season.

I was thinking Belichick

Came out of no where. I wonder if they run the same weird defense with Lake taking over HC. He's a hell of a recruiter

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He's going the Beamer route and getting an advisory role at UW.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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Bobby Wilder resigned at ODU as well. He built that program from the ground up pretty much working with very little. Would make a solid advisory hire probably.

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On Monday, Odom/Walters is what tea leaves are reading. Not sure which one but there's a ton of talk that Odom could want that Memphis job and Walters was already high up on the want list for Fuente/Whit.

If I had a choice I'd go Walters and pray he can bring Haley with him.

Either way it won't get past Monday IMO.

Also be on the lookout for offensive staff news shortly. ODU had an interesting day to say the least.

Is there a coach named Monday? Very confused

offensive staff news? interesting! ODU taking one of our offensive guys to be head coach or we taking one of their offensive guys?

I think I'd be very happy with Walters. Young enough to be full of energy and relatable, experienced enough to put a product on the field, and apparently a great in game coach.

Sign me up.

Fuente connection = big no for me. Sorry.... should have finished my comment here and avoided the dreaded downvotes!

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2 8 10 8 downvotes again 9 downvotes but no with joyous comments. Must be on TKP haha

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Maybe because Fuente connection = big no for me. Doesn't add anything to the conversation. Can you honestly look at someone like Barry Odom's resume and say they wouldn't be a good hire just because he's coached with Fuente previously?

For the most part I have not been happy with the results of the guys Fuente brought with him who are 'his guys.' Still waiting on this explosive offense he was going to bring to VT. Fuente was made head coach and Foster wasn't even considered for this reason.

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So you don't like Fuente's guys because Fuente wasn't your guy? If we go strictly based on performance, how has Wiles done? We know he is a good defensive line coach but it hasn't been great for a while. Conversely, our O-line is looking better than it has in a long time.

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I was excited about Fuente actually. But he has not delivered on what he was supposed to bring. Either he made the decision to play Willis to long or he allowed Corn to keep making that mistake early on. I don't trust his judgement on talent.

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We have more offense than when he arrived, and I expect the offense will be even better next year.

I don't disagree that we have improved. I had higher expectations. I am more than happy to be wrong with my opinion and see our Hokies steamroll everyone with a dynamic D and great offense. I will eat crow with a smile on my face.

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...next year.

Mustn't....go....there....

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

This is the only place we need to go.

We only have a bowl left this year. So this is all about next year.

I held off my downvotes until you kept editing this comment.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Thanks for that! I figured I would have fun with it. Not sure why anyone is butt hurt over it though.

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Because your black and white reasoning is ridiculous.

If you don't want Odom because he worked with Fuente in the past even though he is one of the best candidates available then I don't know what to tell you. Which is why I never replied in the first place.

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The editing was having fun with the downvote number changing. Don't remember there being a rule against that which was what you commented at first. As far as my opinion being ridiculous no it isn't. Because it is an opinion. No where did I say that Odom does not have a good resume or that he is even a bad coach. My issue is that I have a lack of trust in Fuentes decision making abilities. My first comment that was being downvoted I sent in partially complete without realizing until I got on later. It was being downvoted, which is in the community guidelines, for being vague. So I made follow up comments to try to better make my point.

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As far as my opinion being ridiculous no it isn't. Because it is an opinion.

Sweet, now no one can call my opinion that the moon is made of cream cheese ridiculous.

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It isn't?

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We are clearly at an impasse over what is allowed to be called ridiculous.

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What I meant was the moon isn't made of cream cheese? Because if it isn't, that coupled with being downvoted on a fan message board, have completely ruined my week. /s

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You're now confusing ridiculous with delicious. Why are you like this?

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my opinion that the moon is made of cream cheese

Tbf, that is a factual statement, not an opinion. A false factual statement, but definitely not an opinion.

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It is my opinion that you need to stop walking on my deliberately asinine statements fam.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

He's eating your opinion for breakfast.

On a bagel.

One of my co-workers has a brother-in-law is a firm flat-earther. He said that makes family gatherings really fun.

Let's Go

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That is one level of sheer stupidity that I wish I had a friend attain. Gotta be a ton of fun asking questions of them.

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I am tired of people making a post complaining about downvotes. Most are fat fingers on a phone and other times its unpopular opinion or CG violation. Just take it and move on or if you are worried about your leg count, just edit it to funny (non-political figure) GIF to avoid he dogpile. Depending on my mood, I will downvote posts complaining about downvotes, might be what you are getting.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

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I am tired of people making a post complaining about people making a post complaining about downvotes. Most are people complaining about fat fingers on a phone and other times it's just whining about unpopular opinion or CG violation. Just post it and move on, or if you are worried about some other poster's leg count, just post about them editing it to funny (non-political figure) GIF to avoid the complaints about dogpiles. Depending on my mood, I will downvote posts complaining about posts complaining about downvotes, might be what you are getting.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Most are fat fingers on a phone and other times its unpopular opinion or CG violation.

not when it's -8 like this one was

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A lot of us have fat fingers

Hey, my fingers are just big boned.

Personally I'm tired of people not following community guidelines. Why have them at this point?

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Is this a Hokie fireman burner account?

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

I wasn't trying to break a guideline on purpose accidents happen. I owned it then attempted to make light by pointing out the number of downvotes. Again not sure why it is a big deal.

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Yeah forreal. I definitely want a coach Fuente has never met and it's even better if they despise each other.

/s

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

so, it's official. Bronco Mendenhall is DC.

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'Ight, Imma head out.

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Welcome aboard, Narduzzi.

I could be wrong here, but I believe what VTMidge is trying to say is that given our past of coaches giving their buddies way too much slack when they are doing a subpar job a close connection to Fuente throws up some red flags. At least, that's the way I read it, because I feel the same way. I don't think it's a disqualifier, per se, but it does make a long suffering Hokie fan wary of the hire. Should they have expounded on their comment, yeah. But I don't understand the level of vitriol.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Appreciate that. Next time I have a thought I will send to you first!

VTMidge

I honestly can't tell if you're being sincere or throwing sarcasm at someone who took time out of their day to defend you.

If you play it, they will win.

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Sincere! That's why I didn't use the /s.

VTMidge

Carry on.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

damn you, Dave Franco

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I don't think it's a disqualifier, per se, but it does make a long suffering Hokie fan wary of the hire.

Fuente connection = big no for me

'not a disqualifier' is quite different from 'big no for me'

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Fair enough. One was my opinion, the other theirs. My point was that I thought they were using the same evidence as I laid out to reach that opinion, and that it didn't deserve the vitriol it was receiving.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

Get Odom and call it a day. He'd be a great hire.

Word is Fuente and JHamm going to Florida. They say it is for an in home meeting with a recruit who is strong FSU, but that could just be something to do while around to talk to TG

There's a CB from Florida I think they're working on for the 2020 class if I'm not mistaken

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Possibly that, but there is another flip they are going for as well. I don't want to mention it because I dont want people jumping my ass for 247 pay wall info

It's not behind a paywall. 3* Joshua Celiscar who is currently committed to Western Michigan.

GIVE IT TO ME ROSCOE!

The one I am talking about IS behind a paywall. 4* commit to FSU

only one 4* cb for fsu currently sooooo

if hes talking about sims. that's not behind a paywall. I gave that info to 247 and posted it in the recruiting thread. also in home with derek Bermudez former fsu commit db but hes only a 3star. and my sause is Hamilton himself so.

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It is Sims. Sorry, thought it was on one of the pay wall posts! Great scoop!

youre good budda! I know we got guidelines to follow on here. just don't want some info I put out to become "pay content" that cant be shared. I do my best to be respectful of all the outlets and sources that I am given info from def don't want to burn any bridges but I shared the info with TPK on this one before I shared it with the guys over at 247, this is my home not 247 lol so if I got some info that I can share I will with you guys.

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...this is my home not 247 lol...

And we hope you keep it that way!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

My man

I've seen lots of people say Odom would be a good hire here. He did a relatively good job at Memphis as a DC under Fuente to parlay that into getting a head coaching job at his alma mater at Missouri.

This guy was a safeties coach for two years at Missouri. He was a recruiting coordinator before that for many years. He literally had two years of actual position coaching before Fuente brought him on as a DC at Memphis.

That is not much experience AT ALL yet Fuente thought he was the best choice and a few years later he is a "great hire here" after getting canned for failing at Missouri.

I find it a little weird that we have a guy in JHam that has been a DC (yes much smaller scale), been coaching position players for years, former NFL player, alumni, Bud Foster disciple, and by all accounts has been doing well recruiting and coaching guys up....but this board mostly dismisses him as a candidate. Why is a guy (Odom) this great candidate for doing well at Memphis as DC and failing as a head coach?

I've seen many arguments over the years complaining about non power 5 coaches that Fuente has hired not being up to snuff, but Odom's only success as far as a DC has been in the non P5, yet "he's a great hire".

If he's a great hire then I don't see why JHam couldn't be as well. From earlier comments it sounds like JHam is traveling with Fuente to do in home visits.......The head man probably wants to bring his "a" game to go in home.....sounds like JHam May be that guy.

Long story short is I agree with DCWILSON....just bring in the best guy......it may be that guy is already here.....I agree his coaching experience isn't what people would like, but Memphis alums probably had that same sentiment when Fuente hires a guy with ONLY two years of position coaching experience when he was hired to run the defense. It worked out well for them then.......it's not crazy to think Fuente wouldn't go back to the same well if he thought JHam had the goods.

Odom not only has his DC experience at Memphis, after that year he spent a year at Mizzou as the DC where he had a top 10 national defense playing in the SEC. He then replaced Pinkel as HC, after Pinkel had to retire due to medical reasons.

Also a big part is the perception of the DC position of Virginia Tech, Memphis may be able to promote an assistant to fill the role of "whoever was the DC before Odom", but VT is replacing BUD FOSTER. It makes sense that the expectations are higher than an assistant imo, not saying that in an insulting way towards JHam, by all accounts if they consider him an elite candidate to replace Foster go ahead. However there needs to be a lot of thought going into the decision to replace Bud, because just promoting a guy to replace this big a departure without even considering outside candidates would be a mistake in my estimation.

Of course there is a lot of thought going into the decision

You make great points about giving JHam an opportunity to be our DC. However, the reason Fuente thinks Odom would be a good choice to replace Bud is because he has proven himself to be a good defensive coordinator. When he was at Memphis with Fuente as a DC, each year the defense improved and eventually was a top 25 defense. When he was at Missouri as a DC he fielded a defense that finished in the top 10. So the data is there to say he would be good choice to replace Bud.

Agree with everything you said. It would be nice to keep some of the heritage of LPD
around. And wouldn't it be a good transition just having a guy that's already there, that the
players know and like. Then you have Jack Tyler, Pierson Prioleau, etc. to fill in the gaps.
I was really impressed by Prioleau in the little feature they did on him earlier in the season.

Something about bringing in someone from another part of the country with no real
investment in Tech or the state doesn't sit right.

I think it is going to be JHamm. Mark it down.

I think if it's JHam you will see all the former players like Gayle and Flowers getting on board the way the have been advocating for TG on Twitter. I honestly feel like it's the best route to take and one everyone can get behind. Buds comment a few weeks ago saying in an interview that he believes the next DC is already on staff at VT is making me feel like it's either Wiles or JHam. This was all pre-Odum firing though.

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I think JHam was the plan...until Odom got fired. Now you bring Odom in for however many years and finish mentoring JHam with Bud.

Odom being on the market has completely changed things for us. If we can bring him here, you bring him here. He would be an outstanding guy to replace Bud and would bring in more elite-level defensive thinking to a school already known for it. Its not very often an opportunity like this falls into your lap, so it is absolutely worth exploring.

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Agreed completely. Give me a guy who has competed against the best of the best in the SEC (pretty damn well on the defensive side of the ball at that), and give JHam more time to learn what it takes to do the job at a P5 level.

Odom is the kind of coach I doubt we would have for more than 5 years, and that's good enough for me.

I like this plan. If we hire Odom and he shows similar success as our DC has he has in the past, he will only be here 3 years. This would be a nice amount of time for JHamm to get a little more seasoning and take the reigns.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

And it would be good for JHam (one 'm' in Hamilton, folks) to get some experience under another DC (meaning: another defensive system). Especially one as different and effective as Odom's has been historically.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I think he's referencing the rumor that Jon Hamm is going to quit acting and devote himself to coaching defense. Even if that's true, I think it's 50/50 at best that he lands at VT.

*Mark it eight, dude.

Missed opportunity based on your profile picture.

**Mark it Zero

Friend of mine who is a die-hard Georgia fan and very plugged into that program told me he would be heartbroken to see Schumann leave. Apparently the kid has been tabbed as the next big thing since his first year as a GA; that even as a grad assistant Saban and Smart would bring just him into game planning sessions to get his feedback and input, they thought that highly of him. Apparently Kirby plucking him from Bama was a major coup (Smart's first hire, even) and being made a Co-DC this young is incredibly impressive. He's also seen and operated within an elite recruiting structure, so should know how to build it. He's become my top choice, despite how young he is (29), I think he'd be a fantastic hire.

1000% agreement. He is going to be a brilliant DC and we should try to snag him. If he wants to be an elite DC, what better spot could you be in than having immediate access to Bud Foster to train you? There isn't a better spot, and while Foster is still going to be around the program, he should take that opportunity. It may not be available forever.

I am 100% behind jham to DC and I was about 99% confident in my gut feeling it was going to be him until odom got fired now id say its 50/50 but I haven't been up in 2 weeks and a TON can change week to week in the college football landscape.

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I think Justin would be a great candidate, but then again I am a Dickenson county native and Hokie alum so I'm double biased. Awesome seeing people from back home do well here in Blacksburg.

can I reverse all my odds on the above comment.

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Only if you clarify which odds you were referring too the 99 or the 50/50... maybe a directional nod one way or the other would also help LOL!

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Oh man. Well, I'm sure we will see in the next few days, but I'm feeling good right now. This almost seems like a recruiting battle for a kid. I'm gonna get my hopes up only to get crushed in a few days.

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Gobble Till You Wobble

If it is Odom, I feel really bad for JHam if he had the agreement in principle that was rumored.

Sure, I would feel bad for him too. This is a business though and winning is what matters. I'm all for JHam, I think he is a great coach but I don't think it would hurt to have a stout new DC with all the talent we have coming back and with some HC experience in the SEC.

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I never heard of a agreement in principal but the odom firing really changed the whole process. nothings a done deal yet. but the ball is odoms court. does he really want to go from head coach to dc. but my confidence has completely shifted from jham to odom from some things I was told in the last few hours.

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if it's not Odom then something went wrong like real wrong. The rumors have stopped and it's just a matter of best timing to announce. The timeline of this weekend has me not so sure and I could honestly see late Thursday/Friday

if it's not Odom then something went wrong like real wrong.

Or maybe he just got a better offer, from a salary, prestige, or opportunity standpoint. If Norvell leaves Memphis, Odom is probably the favorite for that job. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we had a Manny Diaz temple-to-miami type situation where we announce Odom, then Ark or Mizzou announces Norvell, then Odom goes to Memphis. That's probably what is taking so long to announce.

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So write his contract with a $5 Million buyout if he leaves before the 2020 season starts. I wouldn't mind being the Temple in that situation.

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

VT can write his contract anyway they want. Odom would still have to sign it. And I think the point is that if Odom has options, he's listening to them before he signs. And even if he were to sign yesterday, there is no way he signs a document that limits his transferability that significantly when he listening to Memphis or other options.

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what he said! (in case the eyes are watching me)

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*she

I wouldn't feel bad for him due to the fact that "agreement" rumor seems largely made up by folks looking for message board clout. Think it thru logically. He's already on staff. You've known Bud was leaving for months. Would you really have an "agreement in principle" with a guy on your staff and sit on it for months? What's the benefit in that? I suppose one could say they wanted to survey the candidacy field at the end of the season but do you honestly believe Whit, Fuente or anyone else involved would be so unprofessional to say "Hey, would you like to be our DC? It's yours...unless we find someone better in a few months". Because that's exactly what's happening if there was an "agreement in principle" in place.

Hmmm...given that both Fuente and Hamilton are down in his neck of the woods this week, I'm guessing some good first hand information has been flowing 904's way!

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

they aren't getting here till tomorrow lol. but I got some pretty good info. I wish I just out right share so bad. its killing me. the only way 3 men can keep a secret is if 2 are dead. I don't wanna be the dead one. but ill share what I can....

1. nothing final
2. with that being said an offer has been made
3. if we don't get the GUY Fuente wants next up on the list for VT is ASH and freeman from cincy from what ive heard. if I had a vote from the 3 id go freeman.

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You mean Freeman from Cinci, right?

yeah sorry good catch. I always get those 2 scrambled together, you mean they aren't the same place?

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When you say your vote out of the 3 would be freeman, does not mean you're not excited about the offered candidate? I only ask because there's only 2 other names listed.

better not be Chris Ash from Rutgers.

Ugh!

Let me take that back. He was pretty solid as a DC at Wisconsin. Just not a HC.

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No we'd hire Chris Ash from Ohio State, not the Rutgers version.

I'm not but I think myslef (and a lot of hokie nation) are so #thisishome and #family that we get really short sighted when it comes to ex players and people who were a part of the program. my 1st choice was t gray and my 2nd was jham. are either of those the best 2 we could get? do they check all the boxes? it just depends on your boxes. one box for me is do they fit they VT culture. I KNOW they do. what I don't know is if the other candidates do. So emotionally I immediately get turned off by the notion its not a VT guy. how will they understand who we are, what is home, the pain, the struggle, the grind, the grit, it takes to be a hokie and are they up to the task because it aint for the weak being a hokie. Something I'm trying to work on and learned is the measure of a good coach is his heart. and also a good measure of a hokie. true hokies and true coaches can put their entire HEART and SOUL into everything they do not just Virginia Tech things. this is something ive had to learn as ive moved from a couple spots in my life and dealt with a bunch of different schools. So emotionally I want a hokie. mentally ive learned that you don't have to be born a hokie to become one. and if you are a hokie mentally, emotionally, and spiritually when you exit off 81 on to 460 then you are a hokie. whatever coach gets of that plane and brings his family to Blacksburg is going to be my Hokie DC. gotta ride with it.

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Great post - 100% agree that a lot of folks go through that same process when reacting.

The Carolina Panthers just fired Ron Rivera.

Get him on the chalk board.

Leonard. Duh.

Hey, if Arizona State can have multiple former NFL coaches on staff I see no reason why we can't.

As a Panthers fan, I want no part of this. Rivera ran one of my teams dead into mediocrity, I won't have him do it to another one.

Get Angry, Bud!

They've been mostly mediocre for the entire lifetime of the franchise. Born and raised in NC.

You sure it wasn't the dirtbag owner and a succession of inept GMs?

I don't know what Rivera was supposed to do this year with Cam out. Not even letting him see the season out screams to me like the new ownership is going to just clean house entirely -- new QB, new coach, new GM

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Yep. Personally this Panthers fan liked Rivera a LOT. He made a few big mistakes here and there (one can argue if he had the all the information he needed before making them - Cam's injury status etc.) but he got them to a Super Bowl and a couple of really great seasons. Now he was stuck with Kyle Freaking Allen at QB and was, until 2 weeks ago, in the playoff hunt partially due to his stout defense (and the freak at RB, to be sure).

It would never be in play for us but if a college team could get a guy like Rivera as DC, holy crap yes take it.

VT Class of '12 (MSE), MVBone, Go Hokies!

You sure it wasn't the dirtbag owner and a succession of inept GMs?

No you're thinking of Washington

it's not mutually exclusive. Richardson was (edit: is) a slimy person, and Gettleman and Hurney are NFL lifers with entrenched ideas about what it takes to win in the league that were successful 15-20 years ago.

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I'd rather the City of Green Bay own the Redskins for 10 years than let Dan Snyder own it one more day.

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I wish I had a "Joe upvote +250 to plaid" button for this comment

I hate what Snyder has done to the once celebrated and cherished institution known as the Washington Redskins. A proud team with a deeply loyal fanbase run into the ground and now mocked by the rest of the league as being at the same level of futility as Cleveland and Detroit. Total clown show of an owner. SMH in disgust.

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

I still love the fact that the NFL had to enact a regulation that prevented more cities from actually owning their teams to prevent more Green Bays. The NFL loathes that the Packers are owned by the City. They are a public organization and therefore have to release their financial documents including what the actual disbursement ($$$) from the NFL is every year.

The GM sucks. Get a decent wide receiver and a tight end who isn't 40. Not to mention some offensive lineman who can pass block

What do you mean? I liked Rivera as Carolina's coach. We were 11-6 against Rivera's Panthers, and only swept once, while sweeping them three times (potentially 11-7 and four sweeps after this weekend).

TBH, I think he was a good coach, and was dealt the short end of the stick with Cam going down last year and this year. I think the GM had given him some good pieces to work with recently, though, and he would have been trending upwards without the injuries. Sucks to see him fired before the end of the season, too.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Have the chance to sweep them again this weekend! It hurts my soul seeing how bad the Falcons are this year. I think Matt Ryan's best years are behind him.

โ€œTHE CUP IS GOING NOWHERE MIKEY!!! THEY DID IT SOMEHOW!!โ€

I don't think the problem is Ryan. Hard to throw when you're flat on your back.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Is that HOME reference a clue....?

Whatever. It was one bad year.

Seasonal Brew means High ABV for football season and standard the rest of the year.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

All the replies to Odom are incredibly positive. Can't remember the last time I saw a twitter thread that long without any negativity.

stick it in, stick it in, stick it in!

I'd call the Nolley Bombing threads positive.

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Ya'll have a wonderful weekend!

Yeah, whole lotta followers I know, granted I don't know how long they've been following him

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Take a look at some of Odom's recent follows and followers. Things starting to line up

If it is Odom, does that put the "Fuente to Arkansas" noise to bed?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Was that ever serious noise or just pings of anxiety?

Football Scoop makes it seem like there was at least a conversation, but I've noticed recently there was indications that Lane Kiffin was the guy.

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Technically, a conversation could be:

"How would you like to coach the Razorbacks football team next year?"

"I dunno, Jimmy, I've got an order of whitewalls coming in tomorrow. Can I get back to you?"

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So I was talking to a connected Arkansas alum I know at the bar the other night and he said they are going hard after the current Memphis coach, but that he may pass since he was passed over the last round.

Dang, can you imagine what's going through his head? "Man, I really wanted that job. I wanted it so bad that I'm going to hold a grudge so serious that I'll turn down the job the next time they come asking. That'll show them!"

Yes, and if it's Odom- that's a win for VT- he is a quailty DC.

he is a quality DC

what do you know about quality dc's

/sssscreenname

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

Fuente to Arkansas, Odom is his DC, Brad Cornelson being left behind as VT's Head Coach /s

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Let's Go

HOKIES

and Stiney as the OC ?

Mike O'Cain is the new QB coach

Dwayne Lawson as starting QB

Drew Harris starting RB

Curt Newsome

If Newsome comes back, I'll save up my pennies to fund his buyout.

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Pretty sure we could set up a gofund me for that.

I approve

I like him.

Glass half full:
What defensive player/recruit wouldn't want to play for this guy at VT?

Glass half empty:
What athletic director wouldn't want to hire this guy as a Big Whistle in like 3 years?

You're the only ones that I can talk to about this, you guys.

pumping out head coaches from under Fu is what we want. It means we're making good hires and it's resulting in success.

I don't have to take this abuse from you, I've got hundreds of people dying to abuse me.

When he says "Justin Fuente did it"

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I approve of your avatar. About too get hosed!!

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If it's Odem, how does the rest of the D staff shake out? Who does he bring? Does Wiles retire with Bud?

What seems like a likely scenario:
Odom DC/Lbs
Walters CBs
Jham Safeties
Then DL gets tricky. Does Haley follow Odem? DL experience at Texas and LSU. Does Wiles retire and Haley not follow? Do we split DTs and DEs coaching? So many possibilities

I hope we can keep Wiles if he wants to stay. I have always heard he is one of our best recruiters.

If we shift Letchtenberg back to a staff role we could add a 5th defensive assistant.

@CraigThompsonVT

Posted because of the Odom rumors?

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Some dude on the FB says that an official Odum hire announcement will be made tomorrow. Don't know where these jokers get their info and don't know how accurate it may be...but that's what I just saw.

JP

PSA it's spelled O-D-O-M

anyone saying anything else pls

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Berry pls...

brockman no

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

brockmann know

But when heard, it sounds like "Kevin"

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

PSA: it's an anagram with DOOM

So we're transitioning from the LPD to The Legion of Doom... I'm on board.

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New thing if people misspell it, everyone reply udum

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

udumb*

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touche

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Odom would get me really excited. It seems like a slam-dunk, homerun hire to me. And if he can get those two Texas DEs to commit, that would be icing on the cake.

he keeps adding to the list he's following.....

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If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Interesting that Wiggins is a recent follower. Wonder if he's making a return.

Wiggins used to be the RB's coach at Memphis.

I've been proposing the best way to demote Corny with dignity is to hire a RB Coach and give him "Running Game Coordinator" title. Maybe something like that would make it worthwhile for Wiggins to come back from Bama?

Could maybe see something like Co-OC/Running Game Coordinator. Would be a little surprised if he went back to coaching RBs after switching to WR but who knows.

I like Jerry Kill as Run Game Coordinator

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

All these guys used to be coworkers. The only follower that means anything now is Whit Babcock. Also, twitter doesn't do followers in reverse chronological order anymore. So there's no way to tell how long they've been following them.

I have no idea why my username is VT_Warthog.

Arkansas blew a 24-0 lead in the Belk Bowl.

Corny Replacement?

February..'96...the steak: ribeye, the whiskey:Lagavulin 16, the lady next to me: a bit**.....

he keeps adding to the list he's following.....

I'm not a twitter guru, but isn't that list followers of his that you also follow, not a list of people he's following?

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

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in Hokie Nation, Whit follows you!

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Okay, now I believe it.

Also doesn't anyone in this business realize how easy it is to get the scoop by looking at stuff like this? You'd think they could hold off smashing that mf follow button for a day.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

But if you're about that clout you gotta smash that mf follow button to see if they are team follow back!

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The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

There was a tweet this weekend that noted that it was Barry Odom who recommended Justin Fuente to Whit Babcock.

How does Whit not have a blue check mark?

Twitter stopped verifying people for a time in 2017, and now only people associated with a company can get verified, last I knew.

Is VT Athletics not considered a company that can be affiliated toward?

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It looks like they are still not verifying new people. Link

Can't wait to get the new guy on board so we can stabilize the defense and Odomize the hoos next year.

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Odomize the hoos next year

...I'm....I'm not sure if we want that to catch on

on the other hand...yeah it's good

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Odomize the hoos

You heard it here first.

"Our job as coaches is to influence young people's lives for the better in terms of fundamental skills, work ethic, and doing the right thing. Every now and again, a player actually has that effect on the coaching staff." Justin Fuente on Sam Rogers

Odomize UVanus?

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

Yeesh...

Leonard. Duh.

holy crap that's giving me a headache to look at.

In other news, it's a sign: Odometer 24061=>Odom coming to the 24061 zip code!

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Ugh, but look the temperature is cool. Maybe things are cooling off. Close to empty, maybe this doesn't have much to it. And we're in reverse, maybe he's backing off. Time to panic. /s

[...] Odomize the hoos next year.

Just the Hoos? What about Penn State?

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

We will Odomize them before they try to pedomize us

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I'm not following this. From the tweeter feed, the possible circumstances point to Barry Odom going to Florida with Arkansas officials to get them to hire Lane Kiffin, and then Fuente flys down to make sure that's done, and then everybody goes home?

Leonard. Duh.

I think the idea here would be to keep things murky enough that nothing official could leak.

Barry takes a flight with Arkansas folks and VT uses a donor's plane to avoid any possible direct connection between Missouri and VT. Whit likes to strike quietly. This fits that MO.

Edit: I know this is JF's hire not Whits, but Whit may be directing the procedures here.

My only fear with a Barry Odom hire is that it might be TOO good a hire, in the sense that he will basically build one good defense here and jump to a HC job somewhere almost immediately.

I know this isn't a business where you can expect Beamers and Fosters to coach for 30 years anymore, and maybe it would be a good problem to have, but I guess I'm hoping for just a little more longevity/stability than that.

At this point, if any of our coaches do anything worth pluckin, pluck away. I want success and I trust Whit to restock or fight for our interests.

Edit: mountain grammar

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

I'm with you. To me that's a good problem to have.

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If Odom can come in and squeeze just one good year of greatness out of Devon Hunter, I'm cool for now.

Oh, and make UVa forever regret getting their Hoo cooties all over our Cup.

Leonard. Duh.

Based off of French's brief comments on Odom's scheme, I would be a little puzzled where Hunter would fit in this scheme. Not strong enough in coverage I would think to be a true safety and not big enough for a 3-4 LB. I'm still up for giving him a shot at RB if not on defense.

Win now

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If we go 15-0. I'd be alright with that.

He did just get fired for being a HC at his alma mater. I imagine lower tier schools would offer him a position, but it would depend if he wants to be HC at a lower tier school. I don't imagine anyone near Missouri's caliber or better would offer him unless he put together championship level defenses for multiple years.

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Most we get Odom for is 3-5 years I'd say.

I'd take that if he helped elevate the program.

Agreed. Could be a Chad Morris-esque impact on the program much like he had at Clemson. Also establish some continuity under him that can take the reigns of his system and culture and keep it going after he's gone.

Can Odom Recruit?

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: โ€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.โ€ - David Teel Tweet 2018

Also: are there any cruits from his previous school looking for a new home?

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Someone should make a thread for that type of information.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Wooten out of Texas has scheduled an official visit with us.....he just decommitted from Missouri when Odom was fired. Sounds like Odom is a pretty good recruiter for us already.

I'm having a hard time thinking this is a Great Hire.....granted i don't know much about him ...but can someone enlighten me on why this would be a good thing?

1. couple decent seasons at Memphis....(But not P5)
2. Then fails at Mizzou as Head Coach
3. runs a different scheme all together
4. I've not heard a word about crutting skills?
5. has coached with Fuente before so no awkward getting to know you period as a counter good point .

To retort:

1. took Memphis from an atrocious defense to a top 35 one
2. Missouri's situation (probation, schollie loss, etc) was not great, and they were competitive during his run there. Not like Arkansas where they looked lost.
3. According to people much smarter than me, not all that different. Besides, hire the best guy, don't be married to a scheme
4. From what I've seen did better than expected at Missouri, and would give us a connection in the KC/STL areas
5. HC absolutely has to trust his OC and DC. Hence why coaches almost always hire guys they know.

I'm not saying its a bad hire, I was just curious why some folks seems to think this is a slam dunk?

That's all

Because this is a P5 coach with SEC coaching experience where he fielded multiple top 20 defenses.

to add. 1st year recruiting was top 25, then he had several years in the mid 40s rankings. He did more with less.

Was that because of sanctions? I don't know.

Hope he can recruit VA and NC.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: โ€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.โ€ - David Teel Tweet 2018

For the P5 side of your #1 comment - He took a Mizzou defense from 81st in 2014 to 9th total defense in his first year. This all while being in the SEC. Granted it was only a year, but it was a year where he did not have any ties to the defense the year prior.

According to his bio, "Formerly National Recruiting Director at Recruit." sounds legit enough for me

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I think our practice facility is named after him...

Edit: tis a joke

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

No, that would be John Lawson. This guy presents himself as an insider by making vague statements when it's all but imminent that big VT related news is going to break. He rarely provides specifics and the details he has provided in the past don't seem to imply what actually takes place.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Oh yeah I was totally joking.

"Yeah, it do." - Mike Vick

Sorry- it's hard to be sure these days. Unfortunately this dude has come up numerous times on TKP over the years and somehow continues to get traction with his posts.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

Please don't give that asshat attention. He resurfaces every time there's a VT coaching search but he's been wrong time and time again after claiming inside information. The biggest downside to Twitter is these leeches who feign credibility manage to suck fans back in because memory is incredibly short on social media that it results in little to no accountability.

Joffrey, Cersei, Ilyn Payne, the Hound, Jeff Jagodzinski, Paul Johnson, Pat Narduzzi.

But "Formerly National Recruiting Director at Recruit." ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

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I'm finna hit him with an "Ok Boomer" if we don't hear anything tomorrow.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

"bout to end this man's whole career"

- vt_fencer

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

...Feeling better About this now

If it's Odom i'm just hoping we can retain J Ham to continue the LPD culture. He can teach him the ways

They ask you how you are and you just have to say that you're fine when you're not really fine.

Edited. Realized my attempt to make a joke was horribly done.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

I'm going to say this in hopes it doesn't happen, but my only fear if Odom is hired is that Zohn or Shane get the ODU job and take Ham with them. That would be two in-state up in coming coaches and recruiters gone, and I would hate to see that loss. That being said, Ham being with Fuente on the recruiting trail is hopefully a good sign that he'll stick around.

But as an ODU fan I don't hate this idea. ODU without Bobby Wilder (bad seasons aside) is a huge question mark

Odom, if successful, would likely be an attractive hire to someone at some point in the near future. You have to wonder if J-Ham recognizes this and sees himself in the running for the DC job following Odom. J-Ham is still a young coach with a lot of years ahead of him.

Is it basketball season yet?

The only way JHam makes that move is if he's being brought over as the DC and gets a significant pay raise. Even then he may not make the move because if he was legitimately in the running for DC at Tech this time around with two years under Fuente, then he has to know he would have a great shot at being the next DC if Odom gets poached. He loves Fuente and he loves Tech even more. He's also from SW VA and can pretty much see his Mom and little sisters at the drop of a hat. It would take a lot to make that move To ODU all things considered.

December 4th and we are already pushing 450 comments. Need a part 2 thread already

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For real. My phone takes approximately a metric year to load this shiz and unfreeze.

Go Hokies!

Phone so slow he won't see this till tomorrow.

Lay off the porn, loads up fine

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Lol, I see where your head is at. But is that what porn does to your phone? In either case, I don't think that's the issue here. Smaller threads load up fine.

Go Hokies!

This question is entrapment

What kind are you watching? If you do it right, you never have to download, stream, or pay for porn

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Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I agree completely with this statement.

If Odom is hired do we still get mad about Fuente hiring his CUSA coach/friends??

My pro tip would be not to get too excited or mad regardless of who is hired. Fuente is making this decision knowing his career is at stake. That doesnt guarantee great results but I know he is way more qualified to make the decision than me and 99.9% of the fans.

No matter what, the new guy won't be Bud Foster so there will at least be a warming up period amongst the fanbase.

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about turkey leg votes

And I bet you he will get some consulting from Bud who is more qualified than 100% of fans.

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Isn't Bud remaining employed at Tech? I have a feeling he'll be around a lot more than people think.

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Nah, these golden parachute jobs happen all the time at universities. Mostly it's just an excuse to extend the health care.

In every sense of the phrase

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

I want whoever the absolute best guy we can get to get the job and if that is Odom then fine, but there will certainly be a bit of skepticism on my end since it absolutely would look like "hey give my friend a job, he's alright".

its 10am and there's no announcement

time to riot

King Alum of the House Hokie, the First of His Name, Khal of the Turkey Legs, The rightful Heir to the Big Board, the Unbanned, Breaker of Trolls and Father of Gritty

This is the type of sentiment that I can really get behind. Take your leg good sir.

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Now this made me laugh. Thank you!

Andreas Adrian

Someone please insert Caddyshack "Well, we're waiting!" GIF

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Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

Thank you!

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Did something change in the announcement time because of Bud's mom? Sounds reasonable.

Overheard as Duke assistant coaches took elevator down from press box: โ€œGuys, they stopped the run with a three-man front.โ€ - David Teel Tweet 2018

Did I completely miss that we were expecting an announcement today?

โ€œI like the donuts.โ€ -Bud Foster

That makes a lot of sense to me

There was never an official announcement time or timeline. Everyone has just been guessing at it.

Wasn't there an announcement scheduled for today?

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I am not going fishing today...should have mentioned this earlier, I guess.

I came here to post this exact gif.... you saved me 30s!

Good thing you didn't. You just saved yourself being "forced" to drink

To these insiders with "sauces" saying an announcement would happen today

If you want level-headed opinions, don't go on a message board or sports forums

BUT: We still appreciate you and please never leave us!

Anyone know a good place to bet on this?

I can give you my venmo if that works

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I don't want to take your money friend

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I assume you are betting on Odom?

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Do coordinators being hired at new schools bring their staff with them like head coaches do? I assume that Fuente decides who comes with the DC since he's the boss. Does that mean JHam will stay if Fuente wants him to (and if Jham wants to obviously)?

Yes- the entire staff is up to the head coach. If Fuente wanted Wiles gone before Bud, he could have made that move, etc.

just an assumption, but i would think fuente would discuss the defensive staff with any potential DC's during the interview process, because i think any potential DC would want to know what their staff would look like before accepting the job

Agreed on both. DC is right in that if Fuente wanted him out he could make that decision, but if Odom wants to bring in a guy or two of his it just depends. jF could veto that, but the DC might have a point. Bud wanted his guys and had influence and so will the new DC.

Ultimately, it's on the head coach to make it work.

I am hearing from sources that there will be a "press conference" tomorrow.

I hear Tuscaloosa Alabama should have a plane to blacksburg tomorrow some mysterious passenger names Sick Naban will be on board.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

also Ron mexico

Sick Naban anagrams to A Snack Bin

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Wow, so does Nick Saban! What are the chances?

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shows a flight that came in this morning from an airfield just 50 miles from athens.

I gotta believe that there would be closer airports to Mizzou then Athens Missouri.

50 mi from Athens, GA. Sorry didn't know there was an Athens, Missouri.

That flight was J. Pearson's plane. He is a big Tech donor and a member on multiple boards who lives in Georgia. The same day Barry Odom got fired he happened to fly from Greenville, Sc to Blacksburg then immediately to St. Louis for a day then back to Blacksburg. Has flown to Dallas for the day today as well after stopping in Blacksburg again. Could be personal business but could be something....

Now THIS is what I call flight tracking! Kudos to you, Hokie Not Found!

I have been reading and not posting for too long. Time to share my thoughts and findings with the rest of the Hokie world.

Most of the time, though, your posts throw an error, and your thoughts and findings are, shall we say, "Not Found".

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Columbia, MO

They offer FREE rice cakes and coffee!

It's a double-wide with two terminals and a gravel lot; most people drive to STL or KC. It wasn't an ugly split, either, so I'd bet one of the private airfields in town is just as likely.

The New River Valley airport in Dublin as well.

Nothing goes in and out of there but hobbyists and parts for Volvo.

The Orange and Maroon you see, that's fighting on to victory.

It's the airport that Brent flew out of several times while recruiting and visiting Texas A&M.

There's also a private flight that came in from Jacksonville earlier today, which is oddly coincidental, considering some coaches are supposedly in that area right now.

Until the Blacksburg runway extension is complete (it might be, not sure), Dublin has a longer runway. Certain jets couldn't land at Blacksburg. Last private jet I was on had to come in to Dublin instead.

#humblebrag

I mean, he is a senator

Well, the only private jet I've ever been on happens to be the last one I was on....

So....

So.....one more than me. I'm just giving you a hard time. I sure and I hope it was an awesome experience. When I was at the UNC game with my friends we talked about how awesome it would be to take a private jet to a game.

This is all my fault. When I submitted my DC application online to VT, I didn't re-type my resume exactly as it was submitted as a PDF so the HR department got confused. That delayed everything.

โ€œWho is this Fuentes person that you speak about?โ€ -McHokie540

Damnit I miss Tom Petty

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Let's Go

HOKIES

Just checking in over here to make sure I haven't missed anything.../s

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