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Instead of flaming out like a lot of message board prognostications, the Florida State and the Big 12 conversation is starting to boil up. Money, of course, is at the core of Noles' discontent with the ACC, while the Big 12 is eyeing a huge payday. Let's start here, Florida State's athletic department is cash-strapped.

The Florida State University athletic department may be forced to cut as much as $2.4 million in expenditures for the 2012-13 fiscal year in part because of what athletic director Randy Spetman called lagging ticket sales in football.

Meanwhile, FSU is surrounded by (recruiting against, trying to be more relevant than) SEC schools that are swimming in the cash like Scrooge McDuck.

Even though the ACC's new deal with ESPN will bring FSU up to about $17 million annually in TV revenue, that's still $3 million less than the Big 12. Not only that, but some estimate the recently expanded SEC's new deal could earn each conference school as much as $25 million per year. Translation: Over the span of the ACC's 15-year contract, FSU will earn $120 million less than the Gators.

It's a hard pill to swallow, and not just because the Noles are at a competitive disadvantage financially, but because a majority of FSU supporters believe they're the jewel of the ACC and they deserve better. It comes off as an arrogant sense of entitlement, which is met with the criticism that FSU should win more, talk less, then let the rest will fall into place. These days Florida State is better known for falling flat on its face, rather than being a powerhouse. However, FSU is still a national brand that that drives TV ratings. In 2010, the Wall Street Journal Since found that bowls FSU has played in experience a positive 22.6% effect on viewership, second only to USC (28.7%). Florida State-Miami on Labor Day is a huge draw for the ACC.

While the ACC went 4-6 in non-conference play, Miami edged the Seminoles 38-34 as 8.4 million viewers watched.

That made the contest the second-most watched regular season college football game in the 30 years of ESPN. The most watched college football game on the WWL was the 2006 match up between the same two teams that Florida State won 13-10

Last year FSU-Oklahoma did 8.5M viewers. FSU improving on its 2-4 record against Wake Forest over the last six seasons wouldn't hurt matters, regardless people are still watching them (struggle).

The ACC's renegotiated television (media) contract didn't make FSU backers feel any better about their current position. $17M a year (average) is a large chunk of change, but it's still 5th best among the five "power" conferences, and the SEC and Big 12 are on the verge of reworking their current deals. Shit got real Saturday when Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard went on semi-misinformed rant ripping the ACC's new deal.

"It's mind-boggling and shocking," said Haggard. "How can the ACC give up third tier rights for football but keep them for basketball?"

"How do you not look into that option," asked Haggard. "On behalf of the Board of Trustees I can say that unanimously we would be in favor of seeing what the Big 12 might have to offer. We have to do what is in Florida State's best interest."

"With the SEC making the kind of money it does it's time to act," said Haggard. "You can't sit back and be content in the ACC. This is a different time financially. This isn't 10-15 years ago when money was rolling in."

Haggard is wrong, ESPN controls both the ACC's third-tier football and basketball rights, but it's clear the perception from FSU's view is they're getting a raw deal. And now actual decision makers at Florida State would be open to discussing a Big 12 offer.

On Sunday Dan Wetzel followed up Haggard's comments with his own story.

The initial bump in television revenue is actually just over $1 million a year, sources said, and a total in the $12 million range next season. The deal is back loaded so the bigger money comes in escalator provisions that, considering how broadcast rights keep growing, probably will be below market by the time any sizeable gains are realized.

That additional $4 million per school, per year? That won't come until 2021, nine years in, sources said.

Privately, almost everyone was troubled by the deal.

Ugh. Even if back loading TV contracts is commonplace the facts is an already underwhelming deal looks worse.

Would the Big 12 be interested in Florida State?

"I can't imagine how we wouldn't be interested in Florida State," one Big 12 source said.

At ten teams, the Big 12–ESPN/FOX deal is rumored to be worth $20M a year. Schools would also retain their third-tier TV rights. It's assumed that number will go up if the league brings in two more schools and adds a championship game. If the Big 12 is seriously considering expanding again, and FSU is a target, what's keeping them in the ACC? The ACC's $20M exit fee is sizable, but it's just a onetime hit, and if the Big 12 dollars are as good as expected that would go to zero, conservatively speaking, in less than 7 years (that's before FSU sees that extra $4M from the ACC). For a league centered in North Carolina, FSU is already a geographic outlier. Is FSU athletic director Randy Spetman's regurgitated public support of the league enough to keep them to stay? How much is being aligned with academic college really worth?

This is much clear, the ACC doesn't have many plays left. According to Teel, "the ESPN contract allows for "look-ins" at Years 5 and 10 to adjust revenue based on performance and/or technology changes." So the league gets more money if it wins more games (unlikely considering the lack of resources, commitment and support to football across the board) and as a result garners more national interest, or Notre Dame joins (even more unlikely).

It was under somewhat different circumstances, but I argued in favor of for Virginia Tech to the SEC twice before, and in a world where FSU leaves the ACC for the Big 12, and the SEC looks our way to keep ahead of the game, I still would. That's a long way from happening, but much more realistic today than it was just a couple of weeks ago.

Comments

Must-read on 3rd tier rights ...

The following blog entry by @ChaddScott has some really great information on this subject, and (assuming it's accurate) makes the folks clamoring for FSU to the Big 12 look like doofuses:

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/third-tier-rights-defined-perspective-on-their-value/

Here's a nugget if you don't feel like reading the whole thing:

I’ll bottom line this for those of you who think FSU should dump the ACC for the Big 12 because the Big 12 would allow the Noles to reap huge profits from their third-tier rights. If FSU left the ACC for the Big 12 the only additional athletic inventory it would have to offer a TV network is its worst football game and three or four additional men’s basketball games. How much money do you think the Seminoles stand to gain from the ability to sell their football game vs. Savannah State and men’s basketball games against Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Georgia Southwestern, Jacksonville, and UNC-Greensboro?

What he's saying is that moving to the Big 12 wouldn't allow FSU to retain much more of their 3rd-tier rights than they already possess in the ACC.

It's a good read.

Of course I saw it after I wrote this post. I think retaining third-tier rights are just icing on the cake, not a primary motivator to leave.

Also, Miami was floated as being the 12th Big 12 team to accompany FSU, but that may be unlikely.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rapid-reports/post/19042980

With reports surfacing over the last few days that Florida State would entertain conversations with the Big 12, a member of Miami's board of trustees doesn't see Miami considering a similar move. "It's highly unlikely," the BOT member, who wished to remain nameless, said. "I'm not sure Miami's academic standards are a good fit in the Big 12."

I'm dubious that the Big 12 would be better for FSU

I think they're posturing in the hopes that it forces a leadership change at the top of the ACC - which wouldn't make me sad if that turned out to happen.

Or...

They're going to ask for demands that cannot be met in order to make things messy, abd provide a concrete reason for leaving the league with hopes of making the $20M exit fee more manageable.

UM

Miami has academic standards? Who knew...

you made a good case Joe

I could hardly fault FSU for being pissed and looking elsewhere. When weighing alternatives, nothing speaks louder than concrete dollar figures. If A > B no matter how conservative your assumptions are, you go A. Unless you are fully vested and can telework once a week.

That being said, nice jabs at their entitlement and Wake Forest record.

Also I'm a little perplexed by their lack of foresight here. They vote to raise the exit fee last year, everybody is kumbaya'ing over the ACC with Pitt and Syracuse coming and taking the lead on expansion, etc. Did they really expect more from this renegotiation? The honeymoon is over and they already feel like they settled.

If this does come to fruition, We Should AcSECpt part III.

F$U *yawn*

F$U is just so appropriate. BIG 12 will not bring F$U football "back".

#Let's Go - Hokies

exactly

What do the Noles think will happen? Suddenly theyll be "back"? Will they suddenly be able to beat UT, OU, and whoever else is good in the XII in a given year all of a sudden when they cant even beat Wake now. Will those lagging tic sales go up when Iowa St or Baylor roll into town? How far will their closest conference game be? Morganhole?

Just seems like some overly proud man who fondly remembers the good ol days a bit too much is puffing his chest out on a message board and all of a sudden the sky is falling.

"That kid you're talking to right there, I think he played his nuts off! And you can quote me on that shit!" -Bud Foster

def agree

There lagging ticket sales won't come up when they are in a Big XII division that features games against WVU, Kansas, Iowa State, etc. They could make up the money for the buyout in a few years possibly with the new deal but attendance issues are likely to continue and might be worse for awhile until the "they are back" possibly comes for real. The would probably lose out on an annual matchup with Miami as well which is one of their sure fire sellouts as well.

ACC looks to be in a bad situation in which the only way they could save face is Hail Mary of getting Notre Dame, far fetched for it to happen but I still have some hope

If FSU leaves then VT needs to jump on the SEC bandwagon w/ NC State

Big East Circa early 2000s

If FSU leaves, and Clemson goes with it (I think more likely than Miami), then the ACC essentially becomes the Big East of yesteryear. And the ACC has no play, no chips to improve it's current deal, unless they get the luck of the Irish on their side. If the ACC doesn't get ND on board in the next few years, the ACC media deal will continue to be the lowest of all major conferences. The SEC, B1G, and B12 will get richer, as they have shorter contracts and when they do expand, will likely get better teams than Syracuse and Pitt.

All in all, the media contract outlook is kinda grim for the ACC, and I completely understand the FSU sentiment, deserved or not. I just don't know if the FSU can actually afford the exit fee; I guess it depends on how the exit fee was written up. If they gotta pay it all upfront, that's a huge immediate burden. If they can pay it overtime, let's say 7 years, what is stopping them?

I just hope VT really does have that ace in their back pocket and can join "God's Conference," if it comes down to that. The window opportunity will not be open forever.

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rambling thoughts

The new ACC tv deal was definitely disappointing. I think we can all agree on that.

Haggard stepped in it here. He was wrong about third-tier rights. He was wrong to bash the way this contract is structured when pretty much all contracts are structured the same way. As HokieV said, he looks like a doofus now. And it's never good when the head honcho looks like a doofus. That kind of guy doesn't handle it well, and it wouldn't surprise me if the next thing he does is even stupider. Hopefully he has enough sense to shut up and wait for this to blow over. I won't be counting on that.

VT to the SEC isn't going to happen, no matter how much anyone wants it, unless the ACC breaks apart.

I'd say there's a good chance ND is in the ACC 10 years from now. More and more things are slowly starting to push them that direction. But the ACC will have to be healthier than it looks today for that to happen. No defections. Improved on-field performance.

The deal was disappointing because of FSU/Miami

They're supposed to be the football anchors in the conference and they've got a combined 1 ACC title since the 2003 expansion (and as a buddy reminded me, FSU required some horrendous officiating to win that game). FSU has no room to complain. They haven't been pulling their weight, and if it wouldn't hurt the conference I'd love for them to tell FSU to get out.

Statement from FSU President Barron

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1365254

He lists the pros and cons, and really makes the thing quite cut and dry, while at the same time infinitely more perplexing. Is FSU better off making more money in the Big 12 than they have in the ACC, but playing against more competitive teams with bigger purses in a Texas first, football second league?

This move

will be very much the same move Texas AM made. A move to stir a dying and stale fan base but the kicker is no matter what move you make you are still playing second fiddle to bigger opposition inside the conference so you have to play the $$$ angle or the move makes zero sense (no pun intended)

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@pbowman6

I wonder how the FSU faculty feels about moving to a league with the academic standards of WVU and leaving behind the likes of Duke and Wake

"We were at the pinnacle, and we did it for years," Foster says. He pauses, nods, takes a deep breath. "And I did it with the best guy in the business."