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It's only unfair if unscrupulous coaches overpromise during recruiting. We're offering a scholarship and the chance to compete for playing time. As long as QB recruits know coming in that nothing is promised, we have nothing to feel bad about.
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Agreed. This is year three. It's time for Lefty to prove himself. I like everything Scot has done schematically, his focus on detail and discipline, but if it doesn't ever come together on the field then it's pointless. It's time to see what Scot can do with his players running his system.
Since this is the first place Scot has been OC for multiple seasons, this is the first time we (or anyone) has gotten a look at what he actually wants to install as far as his own vision for an offense, as opposed to working with what he had when he took the job.
Sobchak will crack that rotation with the spring he had. I expect him to see playing time even if Lu is healthy.
This.
Lefty walked into a "best available" QB recruiting situation. He had to get bodies fast, and he did a great job with improving our numbers. Now that he's settling in, he's shifting focus to his kind of QB. I like this lots.
Even if Lu isn't healthy, we could maybe plug in Sobchak or (fingers crossed) Settle to that role of gap plugger. We have great size at DT in addition to great depth.
I think your cart is waaaay in front of your horse. IMO it's much more likely that Scot Loeffler, as a young OC, has settled on preferring mobile QBs because he realizes that incorporating read option allows him to have a sufficiently complex offense without having to have a playbook that comes in volumes. Scot is all about being able to adjust to whatever the defense throws at you, and after four years as an OC he realizes that's easier to do with a mobile QB. All a young, hungry OC like Scot is interested in is getting his own offense in place.
Please tell me Andrew Ford isn't on our schedule.
Absolute best of luck to them both. #alwaysahokie
God I hope you're right.
Durkin might stick at QB for a while longer if true. Someone needs to challenge Lawson upon his arrival.
Is the spread option offense still... spreading? (Ba-dum, ching.) I know there was a huge post-Oregon-is-suddenly-relevant move toward the offense, but it seems like that has kind of tapered. Oregon still hasn't won the big one. Honestly, has any spread option offense won a NC besides Cam Newton at Auburn? In general, multiple offenses are the ones that win championships.
Also, a lot of what you're talking about in your final paragraph, while true, I would argue has more to do with the current "offense first" mentality of the sport today. It's not wrong, it's not right, but in general teams today are built around what the offense does, with a mindset that we're just gonna score more points than the other guys. I get what you're saying admit it being a novelty thing in the sense of not every team playing an option offense every year, but there is tons of tape on CPJ's scheme. Anyone should be able to study and gameplan for it. Plus, we and Georgia, two very good defenses, play it every year, and Georgia Techhas won its handful of games against both programs in the CPJ era.
Anyway, I'm probably not gonna convince you, but that's cool. Good conversation regardless.
Okay now I think I'm getting the feel for your argument. I don't necessarily think any team with prep time can handle the triple option. Mississippi State, of course, would be the obvious case in point. They had weeks and simply couldn't stop it in the Orange Bowl. Your comment about having to have the personnel to stop a west coast offense, I think that applies to the triple option. If you don't have DTs who can plug the middle and take away the dive play, the A back is going to eat your lunch all game. And if you compensate by cheating your linebackers and safeties up to plug the middle, that's when the B back will take the pitch for 35 yards.
My point being, you have to have the personnel to handle any system offense irrespective of how much time to prepare you have. ECU last season ate us alive because we couldn't pressure the QB and Facyson was hobbled. We knew exactly what they were going to do and we were powerless to stop it. The same applies to the triple option. If you don't have DTs that can plug the middle and DEs and OLBs who can contain the QB while covering the pitch man, you could have a year to prepare for the triple option and you'll lose.
I wanna make sure I'm giving you a fair shake here. The only examples I'm aware of you giving was saying that the triple option relies on the risk of physical injury through the use of cut blocks (incorrectly called them chop blocks, my bad, and thanks again to rick smith). To which I responded cut blocking isn't an essential feature of the triple option, citing Tom Osborne not using them at Nebraska in the most prolific triple option offense in history (one that won national championships, BTW, to refute your claim that the triple option can't win the biggest prize). Other than that, I haven't seen anything to support your argument, except your assertion that it's a gimmicky system. But you admitted yourself that the line between "gimmick" and "strategy" is pretty nebulous.
I definitely want to give you your fair chance to state your case. So far it hasn't seemed like your counterexample(s) stood up to scrutiny. I'm arguing that any system offense should be able to be handled with adequate time to prepare, whether it's the West Coast, Air Raid, triple option or whatever.
And walkable only for Jesus Christ?
Is Salsaritas still a thing down in the Tri-Cities? My mom keeps going on about how good Salsaritas is, but I suspect it's just because she's never had Chipotle.
Yeah, wasn't trying to call you out or anything. Just saying, it's crazy to think about but statistically speaking, the Michael Brewer we saw against OSU was the closest thing we saw all season to "average" Michael Brewer.
You are pretty far off base in your first two sentences. First of all, chop blocks are legal and we use them. We don't use them to the extent that GT does, but it's a matter of degree. When properly executed, the injury risk of a chop block is minimal. The danger is in crackback blocks, which are what GT used to hobble Kam Chancellor the first time PJ beat us. That, I grant you, was dirty. But the rules have been clarified in the ACC subsequent to that.
EDIT: Rick Smith pointed out below I was confusing terms. Said chop block, meant cut block.
Also, chop blocking isn't necessarily a fundamental feature of the triple option. I don't think Nebraska overused chop blocks under Tom Osborne, going with a more traditional system. Now you're welcome to dislike the way CPJ runs the flexbone offense, but you'd be wrong to say that as an offense, the triple option relies on the "gimmick" of chop blocks.
As for triple option vs West Coast, they're obviously very different systems, but they're both system offenses. They're both relatively simple and one-dimensional, and use different means to create basically the same sorts of defensive mismatches, where there's at least one offensive target unaccounted for by the defense.
Thanks, my bad. I was getting terms confused. Back in the day my little league coach called a block below the waist a chop block because he said it was like chopping down a tree and the analogy stuck in my head.
Well that's just wrong. Not all offenses are system offenses. An offense is either a system offense or a multiple offense (often referred to as a "pro-style" offense, but this term has less and less meaning as more and more NFL franchisees adopt system offenses). That's not pedantic, it's a valid differentiation.
And my original point stands, everything he pointed out hating about the triple option is applicable to any system offense.
Actually, statistically speaking, the OSU game was almost exactly Brewer's baseline for his season average passer rating. He had outliers to the good (W&M, UNC, BC) and to the bad side (Wake, Western Michigan, Military Bowl), but his OSU performance was almost exactly average compared to his body of work over the entire season.
A system is a system is a system. At one point the triple option was the dominant offensive system at most levels of the game. Ultimately, though, prevalence doesn't matter. There are just as many "gimmicks" in the other systems I mentioned as there are in the triple option, and they all are designed to create mismatches against the blockers.
When you say the other systems have nowhere near the gimmicks of the triple option, what are you basing that assertion on?
Someone needs to let the hoos know it's not like EA Sports' NCAA games. You don't have to wait until a player leaves to feature them on the cover.
All-ACC. We have three All-Americans on the entire team.