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They've mismanaged it the whole way.
Based on what? Once again, the vast majority of information in these threads is rampant speculation
The Ford thing was bad, but I think the downhill momentum started earlier than that. Tahj Capehart or maybe Cam Goode
They've mismanaged it the whole way. I wouldn't expect anything other than overpaying and locking ourselves into a contract with a huge buyout for a coach that ends up not working
How much are we willing to pay for us to have him, plus how much extra are we willing to pay to make sure nobody else does?
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What helps with a guy like Franklin I think his is access to top coordinators and coaches that would work with him. I think that is one of the biggest values of the top coaches.
To your point about moneyball, everyone eventually learned the scouting methodology the A's used AND realized that methodology alone isn't enough to win the World Series. It's great over a 162 sample size to get you to the playoffs but once the playoffs start and each game means more it goes out the window. I haven't read the book but the movie makes a point to show the Red Sox won using the methodology and spending money on the best players that fit the methodology instead of replacement players in the aggregate.
Any more of this and Drew Harris definitely won't come here.
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Franklin is in a win-win scenario right now. Scenario 1) he gets everything he wants from us.
Scenario 2) There's been a lot of speculation that he might be dragging this out to see if FSU opens up. If that's what he's waiting for and he's using us as leverage to force their hand but it doesn't end up opening because they can't afford Norvell's buyout, then he can always flex to just doing tv and satisfying his buyout condition by saying he made a serious effort to get a job with VT and it didn't work out and just wait for FSU (or somewhere else) to open next year.
I don't know what language you're speaking, but here on TKP, we speak American!
I don't really care what it costs to have one of the top paid coaches as long as we have the money for staff and a team still.
Franklin with no one around him certainly isn't worth 10MM. If we've struck some gold vein and have enough to also allow him to hand pick some coordinators and NIL support...then whatever pay the man.
Exactly.
How does it break out? $7 million for the figurehead, and $3 million for the coach? Then just spend the $3 million for the coach? We just need to break the code. But we tried just paying for the coach part, and I felt like we overpaid.
So after much contemplation, I think we're back to having to pay a lot for a coach.
$8MM isn't likely to get you top 30-40 paid coaching status in this new market.
I don't think Sexton is Heupel's agent, and definitely he is not Lincoln Riley's agent, for two examples.
I think Devyn Ford... To me, that was the moment that everything started going downhill for Fuente.
I don't think VT2SEC was a done deal, and I remember the fanbase being pretty split on it at the time. In hindsight, it was insanely stupid to pass it up (if we even had the opportunity), but I don't think (m)any people in 2010 foresaw the SEC (or the B10) separating themselves completely from the rest of the sport.
If they pay over 8 there is something wrong.
I think you're kinda of romanticizing the frank beamer formula for success:
- First of all, you're conveniently ignoring that after the UNC affair, beamer was a top 3 highest paid coach. Even in 2010, he was still a top 20ish paid coach in the nation.
- Secondly - and you alluded to this - Beamer spotted an inefficiency in the talent evaluation and acquisition market (ie; no one really realized how much talent was in VA/NC at the time, and Beamer/VT was geographically positioned to take advantage of that).
- Finally - you hit on it - there was a schematic innovation on special teams
So applying that to the future.
- We need a top 20ish coach to get top 20ish results. And to attract a top 20 coach, you either need to scout out an unknown entity (which our administration has shown they are not capable of doing) or you need to pay top 20 money.
- Just like in the book/movie moneyball, everyone eventually learned the scouting methodology that the A's used. A similar thing has happened here: between the internet and travel become more accessible to everyone, kids in VA can get scouted and recruited by way more people.
- We still need a schematic advantage
I think your proposal is misguided:
- I think it's unlikely that Sam Rogers is a hall of fame coach just sitting there, waiting to be tapped.
- Scouting is still key. You need to pay a scouting department, and someone to run that department
- Your notion that college athletes, even football players, "play for money, period" is misguided. The median FBS football player is making $3k in NIL. Sure, there are some guys who are choosing on money alone, but I don't think it's the only factor.
If they pay $11 million for James Franklin, they are dumber than I thought they were.
Sooner or later there will be an announcement. If Sexton is playing the market and just driving the price up, I really hope we tell Franklin that it cost him the job at this point. No college football coach is worth 8 figures a year.
he's definitely cornered the entire market, not sure how it possibly get's shaken up at this point he's got so much leverage there's no real way for other agents to really be successful.
You know that dude is making all kinds of money using inside information. Dude is a crook.
Is it just me or has everyone else started seeing a lot more cloudflare captchas on so many more websites. I feel like I am regularly seeing redirects to cloudflare before going back to the site I requested.
Sexton is the only person betting these BetOnline lines as his side hustle. He leaks enough for a line to move then dumps money into an underdog. Quite the side hustle.
I think Franklin would be a good hire. I don't think he'll come here for a reasonable price. I DO NOT want VT to OVERPAY for him. I genuinely hope that we reach one of two outcomes: 1) We get Franklin at around 8-9 million MAX. 2) We hire Chesney for 6ish but have the intent on paying him what he's worth if he knocks it out of the park. If VT is seriously throwing around 8 digit salary figures for a HC that means we're willing to pay money for big boy football and that's a good thing. But we shouldn't blow our whole wad on Franklin, IMO.