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I think I'm looking at it from just a slightly different angle, and that's where this disconnect is here.
Whether or not I think it should be decriminalized (and I do...), the law as it stands is pretty black and white right now. Anytime anyone, but especially athletes in a relatively bright spotlight, can't manage to either avoid the stuff or at the VERY least keep it discreet enough that it's not going to impact their careers/lives, it calls a lot about that person into question. In my opinion anyways. Everyone makes mistakes, no doubt. Just hope that this is something that spurs better decisions in the future.
Didn't really like seeing CJ Reavis go, going to really hate seeing Adonis miss time, especially if that time is UT.
Speaking of which (as an aside), did anybody try-er, lay down on that couch at that shop down the street that's made completely out of chronic? I heard it's totally organic bro.
I like to think I'm a responsible member of society, yet I exceeded the speed limit on my way home from work last night, and I'm going to do it again tonight.
My old roommate got a JR for downloading a video game illegally. He had to take some online responsibility course which sounded like a joke. I know for a fact I downloaded way more music, movies, games, etc than he did when I was in Prichard. Somehow dodged that bullet.
Also I Interviewed to be on the JR Council. Didn't get the job. Became a lawyer anyway.
I have a friend that also got a littering charge in Stadium Woods and 50 hours community service. I'm sure her actual crime was just as insignificant as yours.
Fair points. While, I understand why one would value the suspensions of Gaines and Alexander, I feel like it has more to do with the consequences on the field than the actual lives of Gaines and Alexander. If OSU had as severe consequences as VT, would a majority of VT fans that are currently disappointed in Gaines and Alexander also be disappointed in Bosa? Or would these fans be excited that Bosa not playing might give VT a competitive edge?
My argument is not "it should be legal anyways," but it should be decriminalized. And it's not a rationalization of Gaines's and Alexander's personal situations, but rationalization of all minor marijuana charges. It just so happens, that two of VT's prominent players may have to suffer severe consequences to a minor offense. It saddens me because I cannot reasonably rationalize the current state of laws and policies surrounding marijuana.
Did somebody say "high horses"?
How can we UNC our way out of this? /s
There are a whole lot more WEED IS THE DEVIL'S LETTUCE people on here than I would have guessed.
My roommate and I were exec courted (basically a trial by jury of fellow cadets plus an officer) for inappropriate pictures found on the internet. (I had very little on, yes I was very stupid) I think I received two weeks of dorm restriction, lost my position and scholarship for a semester. Considering I drank enough to float a battleship it's surprising that was the only real trouble I ever got into.
Not a Judicial Affairs thing, but a Montgomery County thing...
I was 21 during Fall 2006, my senior year at Virginia Tech. My parents were down for the Duke football game, which was a noon kickoff. We were tailgating on Houston Street, and walked to the stadium, with my red cup in hand. I finished my beer and proceeded to carry my empty red cup on the way to the game to the nearest dumpster.
While on the way, a friend of mine who had not yet finished his beer, was pulled aside and given an underage possession ticket by an ABC officer. This is right by the Stadium Woods on the trail – a well-known stake out on the way to the game for ABC'ers.
While he was being issued a ticket, at some point my shoe became untied. I went down to tie my shoe, set my empty cup beside me, tied said shoe, and stood back up. I took one step towards my mom and dad, and went to go back to grab my empty cup. As I turned back around, I bumped into someone. It was an ABC Officer who ripped me away by my right arm, and forcibly pulled me away to where I fell on the ground and he drug me. I asked what was going on and his response was "Littering!! That red cup, is that yours?" I replied "Yes sir." He responded, "You litter and you will pay." I could not believe this... and tried to fight in court with witnesses, but the judge sided with the officer.
All I did was take one step away from the cup, and apparently that earns you 50 hours community service.
Looking back, this was never reported to JA... not sure why it wasn't.
Nah man
I get your point and you are correct, up to a certain point. However saying the law is the law and follow it no matter what is not correct. Slavery was once the law. Stay a slave and do not try to escape it or aid anyone who is a slave is a prime example. But again, in this instance, I think you basically are correct, and as scholarship football players they do have certain obligations.
I can vouch for this CapeHokie was a model student
And for the record, I didn't down vote you. However to answer your question, yeah I care more about what they do than what you do. That shouldn't be surprising.
I also care that we've seen these things escalate in the NCAA and in the NFL. Player gets caught with weed doesn't seem like a big deal (although it calls into question that guys common sense that such a high profile person would allow themselves to be caught in an illegal situation) until the problems just don't stop coming.
Obviously I'm not jumping to the conclusion that these two young men are going to be long term problems, hopefully they learn from this and get their heads on straight and win us a NC. However, I don't think that saying "well it should be legal anyways" is a proper rationalization to it.
if a couple of 19-20 year olds, who have bright futures, smoking pot and drinking upsets/disappoints you (generally speaking), you better sit down because i have something to tell you about a good number of Virginia Tech students...
Jimmy Turks office will be busy for a bit
This is so interesting: the other thread on this (that Joey started) is going MENTAL. Lots of soapboxes being pulled out and dusted off.
Also, given the subject matter, a surprising number of high horses.
Throw the book at them. Stick them in jail for 18 years. It's reefer madness I tell ya. Forfeit all their assets. And flunk them in rules class for letting their guard down after the season. /s
Why is what Gaines and Alexander do more of a concern to anyone than what I or anyone else does? Should one really going to be disappointed in two men whom she has never met? Would the situation be different if there was no affect on the football team?
Edit: I obviously offended people when I had no intention to. I thought there was a stark dichotomy between why one would have no concern over my illegalities but be extremely disappointed with trivial illegalities of two young men whom OP doesn't know personally. I guess the question I framed was personal, but I didn't really intend for it to be. I have adjusted the questions to be universal and less direct. I'm sorry if anyone felt offended.
My 5th year of college, in the Fall of 2005, I was the Head RA of Thomas/Monteith (That's right kids, Civilians lived there. Actually, I think I have to say "People lived there" now, right?). Would have made me 22 years old (important fact).
As was tradition, we hit our standard noon tailgate and began drinking. Legally.
If memory serves, it was the September 30 3:30pm game against Georgia Tech, so there was plenty of time to imbibe, but as was the case with probably close to 65000 other people, not enough time to stay bountiful with "school spirit" to last for a full four quarters. Standing for four quarters sobers you fast. So, I did as any other red-blooded, 22 year old, legally able to drink, college Super Senior would do, and sucked down the top few ounces of a bottle of coke and replaced it with Jack.
We made our way to the football game, where I was promptly stopped by one of Montgomery County's finest Sheriffs and patted down. The Sheriff asked me what was in my bottle, to which I replied "Coke, sir". Not believing me, he unscrewed the cap, took a whiff, then sampled it for himself. Upon realizing that it was filled with his favorite evening beverage, he suggested I go visit "The Tent" with my identification.
"You don't want to do that", I informed him.
"I don't?" He asked?
"No sir. If you do that, I'm going to lose my job and my housing. And, also, I'm 22." I replied.
He more or less told me that it sucked to be me, and scooted me off to the tent.
I received no police citation, but was informed that I would be receiving a judicial referral. I already knew what was going to happen. Tech had a zero tolerance policy when it came to underage drinking and being an RA.
Oh, but wait...I was 22 years old.
It didn't matter. A few days later, I was informed they were going to have to make an example out of me. I had two weeks to find new housing, and would be relieved of my duties as the glorified babysitter of Upper Quad. I also had the joyous opportunity to be forced to attend Tech's "Alcohol Education Class", of which I was the only sober attendee.
The upside?
I moved in with a complete stranger I would eventually marry and call my baby mama.
It was amazing to me that I somehow escaped with countless warning for file sharing, lucked-out that multiple RAs warned us for being to loud and drinking as underagers, and generally avoided trouble for 4 years and 3 months.