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That's a good point about the VA offensive lineman talent. I've always hoped we could move more towards a Stanford reputation in that regard.

I will say about in home recruiting is that, its a hope that these kids grow up Hokie fans. It's a pride thing. When the time comes to choose a school it would be nice to get to a point (I don't think we've been there ever really) but outside of playing time concerns or depth at a position or the occasional out of state fan, Virginia Tech would be there dream school. I too share that dream and I hope one day I can make Network Anchor.

What Virginia Tech fans can take heart in is that Clemson is essentially its financial doppelganger. Clemson has higher yearly ticket sales ($20M to $15M) and contributions ($19M to $16M), although Virginia Tech makes up for that in other categories ($7M student fees), essentially making it a wash. Though in line for a big raise, Dabo Swinney made just over $3.3 million last year, not too far off from the $3.2 million the Hokies will pay Justin Fuente this year. And while Clemson has among the highest paid assistant staffs in the country ($4.3 million last year), it's not like Virginia Tech is paying peanuts ($3.3 million, which went up slightly to $3.343 million for 2016).

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/columns_and_blogs/blogs/andy_bitter_virgin...

And despite Sam Rogers being younger, the old guy is the one that looks like Sam Rogers. Because Sam Rogers is so strong he bends time to his will.

Would Beamer have blocked it? Probably not. Would Fuente block this hypothetical transfer? I would guess the chances are likely. Our new regime seems to be a more competitive bunch.

yeah.... looking at mots stats against purdue its not like he had an all world game that day.

rushing 15-24/1
passing 15 ATTP-24 COMP-0 INT 62.5 COMP % 220YRDS 2TD 61 LONG 2-17 SACK 167.0EF

the team put up 50 +. kinda like the team put up 50+ against Tulsa.

I don't imagine much will change in terms of our recruiting footprint, Fuente basically said as much when he was hired. I imagine next cycle we may offer some kids outside of our traditional footprint that were already being recruited by the Memphis staff but we will still largely be recruiting along the East Coast. I doubt we will be landing many kids from the West Coast anytime soon until we grow our brand. I think the exceptions may be at Quarterback and Defensive back where we have a good enough reputation to pursue national targets

fundraise, provide field maintenance, run the weightlifting program, and drive buses

Yea and the worst part is (as Fireman mentioned) that these coaches making 111k don't have to do any of these things. I definitely know where you're coming from though. I organize and help administer the strength and conditioning program for a local smaller 4-A school and our young coach runs himself absolutely ragged.

For anyone that doesn't have the budget to buy a game used one and wants a little DIY project, this site sells full sets of decals for at least 10 of the different helmets we've had over the years, including the Fighting Gobbler. Just gotta pickup a blank helmet on eBay for pretty cheap and stick em on. You can also buy mini helmet versions and even individual stickers.

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Clemson spends far more on their football program than VT, it was posted elsewhere but their Alumni also give far more than our own.

My question assumes that he'd be a graduate transfer. (I haven't confirmed that he has graduated, or will in May, but I think that's the case.) Recall that when Brewer transferred from TTU, they blocked him from going to other Big XII schools. Assuming that Motley falls to 3rd on the depth chart, and that he wants to transfer, and that Duke wants him, do you think that VT can or would block the move?

The value in doing well in your state is still there. Pipelines are still relevant. Investing in the Commonwealth's HS coaches is still a good strategy. The old Beamer'ism that the in-state kids are the kids you know more about is still accurate. Virginia is still a very good state for recruiting.

Marc is right, geography has changed dramatically in recruiting. But that still doesn't change the fact that if VT does well in Virginia. that would be a good thing. For now and for the long term.

I'm concerned about Fuente's staffs ability to recruit, but they have brought a national/regional mindset and skillset with them. We will do well in not just within 6 hours drive, but within a 6 hour flight. But a focus on the state of Virginia is still our goal. Fuente has been clear on that point.

I want Fuente to be regionally and nationally focused. Focusing efforts mostly in Virginia is a formula that is doomed to fail.

Nailed It!

To expand on your second point, I mentioned in another thread, just cause these kids are top in state in Virginia, didn't necessarily mean they can be top in state elsewhere. There are the exceptions, Vick, Hand, Nnadi off the top of my head. But for the most part, mid level talent from Florida could very well be top talent in Virginia. They just happen to be in Florida with the rest of the diamonds. Same with Georgia or Ohio. Beamer talked about the 6 hour radius. Expanding that radius gets us beyond Jersey, beyond the Carolinas, and to more talent.

What is the difference between VT and Clemson? It's not money (both around $70M in budget). It's not history (Clemson has one NC in the early 1980s, nothing anyone remembers). It's not fans (ours are just as good). They've got 4 hours better geography.

VT isn't going to become Ohio State with $125M in revenue (and ....what...twice the enrollment?) But UNC, UVA and Clemson are all within reason to our athletic budget. None have significant advantages in respect to history, facilities or recruiting. But Clemson has a great (begrudgingly) football coach. UNC has a very good coach in football and a HOF'er in basketball, solid programs across the board in other sports. And UVA is superior to almost anyone in the overall balance of their athletic program....because they have fantastic coaches in basketball, baseball, soccer, tennis, LAX, etc.

The argument could be made that Fuente, Buzz and whoever coaches our wrestling, baseball, swimming, track and soccer teams are exactly the people who will make the difference. Just because you've said it about a dozen times over the last month that VT needs a lot more money doesn't make it the case. More money doesn't hurt, but we need to get more value out of the money we are spending. That starts with our two biggest personnel investments: Buzz Williams and Justin Fuente.

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