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Do you extend JJ if he has around a .500 record next year and doesn't make the post season? Or are we just having this conversation all over again?

You honestly see this team getting 7 more ACC wins than they did this year? And your whole prediction is based on not having a single injury? We expect that to be the case?

Also, are the current assistants working for free?

Just remember fans, no one said "think of all the money were saving!" During any of the double digit losses this year, I imagine that won't keep us warm next winter, either.

So borderline .500 and you extend JJ after next year?

Thanks for that.
I'll still schedule the brew day for a different day than Monday but, thanks for the update.

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On another thread I said I was not sure about JJ; but was leaning toward giving him another year. After reading this article, I am convinced. The pieces are going to be in place. Let's see what JJ can do with a full deck.

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I just had a thought watching these tournaments. Someone let me know if they think it's feasible or not:

How often do we play two games on consecutive days?

I ask because it would be great to bring a few ACC teams into Blacksburg for a weekend and sell out the Cassell for a collection of games. For example, bring UVA, Wake, and Pitt into Blacksburg and host a doubleheader on Saturday and another one on Sunday.

Saturday: VT vs. Pitt, UVA vs. Wake
Sunday: VT vs. Wake, Pitt vs.UVA

This would accomplish a few things, I think:

1) It would give us a chance to knock out a couple of games in a weekend where we wouldn't have to sacrifice school days for games and travel.
2) It would look like tournament time. Two games in rapid succession in the same location. But it wouldn't matter if you lose, as you'd still have the game the next day.
3) It would turn a basketball game into an all-weekend event, making it nicer to travel for the games for people who aren't in the area. People above have mentioned that they don't really want to travel for a game. Well, what about four?
4) It would sell out the Cassell. I mean, if we can't sell out a home game with our fan base, why not try to sell out using four fan bases?

Some other thoughts:
a) It would increase tourism to Blacksburg. We already know the town can kinda handle 70,000 people because football does it, so the town should be able to handle the extra crowd for the smaller coliseum.
b) We could sell tickets to the two Saturday games or the two Sunday games in a package so you could chill and watch basketball all day. Or you could buy a weekend pass and watch all four.
c) The host team could obviously rotate so each team could host a mini-almost-round-robin once a year or once every two years or however often it would happen, and all ACC teams could get big crowds in their towns.
d) Bring a few women's teams in, too, and increase the number of games you get in a day. Think of all the basketball you could play in a day!
e) Build a big ass screen outside Cassell and project the games onto it so you could have general admission tailgaters hanging out in the parking lot, watching ball all day. A few roach coaches and street vendors and you'd have a veritable farmer's market of basketball. Now that we have a big ass video board in Lane, you could do it there. There's already a bunch of seating! This outdoor thing might be tougher because basketball happens in winter.

It would be like the WHFStival...for ACC basketball!

I specifically answered your question as to what I think the record of this team will be next year under this coach. Can I say without a doubt that it will be 15-17, 16-16, or 17-15 without knowing whether we will play Michigan or Purdue in the BIG10(first vs last) or run into a buzzsaw of Kansas in a holiday tournament? Not comfortably and that would be the same answer if we had Calipari coaching this team or if I was making predictions for how Duke will do next year.

As to your hypothetical B.S. of other questions, they don't wash in the actual environment. If JJ had to go up against the other candidates in my other thread right now head to head I doubt he would be Whit's first choice based on two years of losing compared to a list of highly successful NON-ACC coaches. Whit will still have had to guess how those coaches might do in the ACC.

The fact is JJ doesn't have to compete head to head though, he is in the job, so you have to ask if Whit will replace him with one of those other candidates and what impact does that have on the program short and long term? I have laid out several reasons JJ and this team have underperformed, call them pages of excuses if you will but if I had been the head coach in the same circumstances I would hope my brand new Athletic Director weighed all of the information when making a decision about what I put so much effort into doing. One of the articles in the last couple weeks speaks to how little JJ has been able to sleep trying to find something to balance the scales. That to me is a coach that cares about what he is doing and I legitimately think with the players he will have next year that he CAN be close to a .500 team and the year after that with a third class, have a chance to compete against the legends you refer to.

If we fire him, I think you will likely lose three or four players from the current roster. You can never be sure about recruits but if things go the way they have recently, we would lose Bibbs which would be a major blow. We would be worse off than when Greenberg got fired and have to hope the next hire could put it together fast. I would rather fish with the equipment I have now and see if I can steal a Bass Fishing National Championship in a couple years than have to start over and hope The next guy is the guy.

PS: You didn't answer my questions either in your sweeping generalities of FIRE, FIRE, FIRE

The thing about almost every coach that has the pedigree to do this: THEY WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VIRGINIA TECH JOB. What reason have we given them to want it? What about how our program has gone the last five years would make someone want to give up even a good thing at a mid major to come into our current potentially poisonous environment? The Challenge? You aren't going to bait many people with that.

Where is your answer without throwing a ton of big giant bundles of cash at the problem? Cash the Athletic Department doesn't have right now. And personally, putting the big, giant bundles of cash out there as the primary reason for taking the job doesn't give me confidence that the coach will stay if they have a good year or two. I do believe that if JJ is able to right the ship next year that he does have strong feelings for Virginia Tech and could be a long term coach at Tech. Otherwise he would be sleeping like a baby regardless of his record. He has HOKIE pride, wears it on his face in some of those really tough losses down the stretch. I personally want that kind of coach leading our team.

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You literally didn't answer a single one of my questions. In doing so, I think you answered all of my questions.

We all know he's not the Freaking guy for the job, the difference between you and me is that you have 10 paragraphs of excuses and half hearted rationalization a why we need to wait another year to make it official.

You're educated in this sphere, you wouldn't have researched 10 viable candidates a month ago if you thought this guy was the guy for the job.

What are we waiting for exactly? Let's fish or cut bait here.

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All in favor, say "pie."

I already know the outcome: motion carried!