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The worlds best architects would not have come up with anything significantly better than what was proposed.

Strongly disagree with this. You think administrators who have zero experience designing something is going to come up with a better design solution than designers with 20 - 30 years in the business? No way man. That's like being on trial for murder and hiring a janitor to represent you.

All bets were off for a reasonable solution once the 'save the woods' campaign was underway.

I don't think this is right either. The problem is everyone is predetermining in their own head that the whole thing is phucked and this is the ONLY soultion. But that's precisely why you need to get designers to design solutions to propose outside thinking to the problem, because you are biased in the way you see things. People coming at it from a creative problem will see it completely different than you. The "save the woods" campaign was the right thing to do. The "well we have no other option so let's compromise and create more problems" solution is the wrong way to do things.

After the steering committee had short listed the viable location there should have been a design process to see which built solution would have been best within said options. At the moment there is not a single real option to even look at and consider. Only locations. Who does that? No developer I know would ever do this and commit serious money for it.

No need to throw a dig at Hall when talking about Miller.

if you make it a competition, the time is on the architect.
If they get the job they work in design time to the contract.-
If they dont get it - they get nothing.

Yeah, my company has also been forced to participate in these somewhat in this global market. We lose money on almost all of them. Design build ends up saving maybe 3 months (the bidding process) over the life of a multiyear project and there is no actual evidence that the owner ends up saving money on them either. The only one that makes out in the end is the contractor.

so basically we would have plays like this. only with a football

http://gosw.about.com/od/sportsandrecreation/ss/cardinalstadium_3.htm

Make the outdoor portion of the facility like this and put a parking lot for the donors underneath it since the practice fields shouldn't be needed for gamedays.

Thanks for that.
It reflected what I thought the problems may be in site considerations.
I wonder if the donor parking problem couldn't be mitigated by placing the parking on the roof.
I suspect cost may be the primary concern there but, who wouldn't like to tailgate 80 ft above campus.
Heck of a view on gameday.

I get what you're saying about the DBs but realize part of the reason they are successful is that Bud's scheme brings pressure and forces the QB to make plays. DBs can't be completely burned but often the opposing QB is unable to complete the throw even when WRs are open, due to the pressure in the backfield.

We need to revisit and update this thread in August.

I'm finally all caught up. I just read something interesting, could the identity of the Yellow King been right under our noses this whole time? POSSIBLE SPOILER

+1 for the ravens!

Braxton Miller is apparently undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder (his throwing shoulder). Nothing major though. Just thought I'd mention it.

Source: Surgery