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Exactly, athlete's are always going to be looked at in a different way because of what they do. They represent a school and a team and the NCAA. But most athlete's that are on scholarship probably wouldn't want to risk their "free education" just to cheat for this one test. I have no respect for those kids at all especially knowing/ being a port of all the benefits I received as an athlete.
All it took was for 1 school to allow it to happen and the mess isn't going to go away.
I believe it has to do with the fact that (and I dont know if this applies outside of VA), we are forced to watch them play every weekend. Now that wouldn't be such a bad thing, except that they are terrible (not counting last season of course). When I was in high school, I loathed the skins because I was forced to miss many of my games that the rest of the nation got to see just because the skins were the regional team. That and skins fans have no idea how to be humble with a win
Shaka Smart will be the next Duke coach when ever Coach K finally hangs it up. That is my bold guess. But what i am trying to really say is Shaka Smart won't leave VCU unless its a dream job that he cannot refuse.
Both DBU and Philly's comments do this:
NAILED IT!
No way we get Shaka. He's waiting for a big time job to open up. Duke, Kentucky, UNC, etc. He's turned down nice offers from UCLA, UConn, Illinois and many others. Heck I'm sure he turned us down a couple years ago when we came calling (with probably less money than others). Definitely worth calling to check though.
Yeah, wanted to follow up in regards to yesterday. My whole "to a school you have no business being in" referred to this 60% industry-wide that can't read past an 8th grade level. For these players, they truly are at a school thats most likely well above what they could have hoped to enter had they not had the athletic skills they did in high school. From my own personal experience in group projects at Tech, I saw these problems first hand.
With that said, yes, you'd like to think that the tutors would do that. Unfortunately, thats not always the case. I know a few people who were athletic tutors while at Tech, and had to quit because athletes in the rev sports would come in with the expectation that the tutor would do the work for them.
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I was about to post pretty much the same thing. I think all of these would be reasonable candidates, and have shown that they can put together consistent teams, which is what I would personally value most for the future of our basketball program.
Another name I would add if money weren't too much of an issue: Anthony Grant. He's incredibly undervalued at Alabama, yet continues to put together decent teams despite limited support. Just looking at al.com for a few seconds, there is hardly a mention of basketball, yet they have a story about how 'bama football players are having snowball fights. Pretty telling microcosm of the single-sport culture down there. The two obvious questions though: 1.) would we be able to pay him ~$2mil a year, and 2.) would we be more supportive of him and his program here at VT than they are at Alabama?
Don't fret. It's not that there's no demand for the tickets within Hokie Nation. If you think we can't sell 40k + tickets to this game, you seriously underestimate our fan base. This isn't a bowl game just south of Tennessee where Hokie fans have less access and ability to get to the game (particularly last minute, and at a venue we had been multiple times and Tennessee hadn't). This is a big deal, and 2 years away. VT could hold the tickets until prepping for the 2016 season and probably sell all of them, and then some.
Shane's "who farted?" face is coming along quite nicely
You don't hear about Steve Perry the non athlete that is a marketing major cheating on his test or giving out answers for an online quiz. Because who cares, if he wants to cheat go ahead, that's on him but the NCAA hold student athlete's to high standards and when you don't follow them, you will get caught and it will become relevant in the media outlets.
But athletes are a different story. The thing is, when you sign that Letter of Intent to play, you also sign on with the full understanding that now you're in the public eye. You are now the embodiment of the name brand of that school, because you are seen on tv sets across the region or nation on gamedays. People know you for something outside of your studies because you signed on to be a representative. You have to take the good with the bad. If you excel in the classroom, you'll get rewarded with an All-Academic honor from your school or conference. You may even be up for an award. But if you screw up, and get caught cheating, well... you're going to have to deal with that as well.
If this mythical 'Steve' does well in school, he may get a pat on the back from his parents. Nobody else is going to care. If he screws up, once again, nobody will care. Why? Because he's irrelevant in the grand scheme to the school. He did not sign up to be a face of the school. He isn't taking benefits from the school for his services. He was a faceless number before he got there, he's a faceless number while he's there, and he'll be a faceless number after he leaves.
I agree with this, yes its a tough situation. But then again the tutor should laugh at the athlete and say you're crazy if you think i'm going to do your work. And yes UNC deserves every inch of what they're going to get its terrible and unreal. But I read an article and it states you don't know if only athletes were in these classes and the NCAA isn't stating the numbers but I'm sure they have them but what good would it do for them to release to people exactly what amount were not athletes. Because then UNC could say see its not only an athletic problem, granted it was definitely driven with athlete's in mind.
UNC as a whole decided it was ok to let this happen, its not all on the athletes themselves. Because again the NCAA and Collegiate sports is money driven, so why suspend your all star point guard and lose out on 9.5 million dollars, which is what the payout was for this past years Final Four.
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12 years 6 months
# | Northwestern Football Players Take Steps to Be Represented by Union great post.
two things I would like comment on:
You don't hear about Steve Perry the non athlete that is a marketing major cheating on his test or giving out answers for an online quiz. Because who cares, if he wants to cheat go ahead, that's on him
I disagree. A lot of people care. Other students in the same class who are affected on the bell curve. professor's. advisers. parents. the universities code of conduct. Cheating is a big issue no matter who does it. Unfortunately for athletes they are public shamed rather than privately punished.
Being a student athlete is a job, its more than 40 hours a week and then add school on top of it.
absolutely agree. NCAA will have a problem with this. athletes are employees IMO
Combo of Eddie Royal and Steve Smith. Super physical and punishes the tackler.. awesome
Great now we will have VT Hokiestone Dinosaur Unis next year. Thanks...
I agree, it would take closer to $2 mil as a starting point to pull Shaka away from VCU.
But lets be honest for a second: Where is this money realistically coming from? Basketball ticket sales (both single game and season tickets) are down drastically from previous years, and to make matters worse, the lack of donations by both Hokie Club members and former athletes is lacking (or non-existant). Babs needs to address the fiscal approach by his administration before we can really venture a guess as to who we can and cannot afford moving forward. Is it more of the same fiscal control that we saw under Weaver, are we going to cowboy up like a lot of other power schools, or are we going to fall somewhere in between?
This is the cherry to my PIE. hence why I got a little chippy yesterday with the "Not belonging" comment. The NCAA does a great job with making sure athletes have what they need to succeed on and off the field. We are provided with a lot of help, our own academic-athletic advisers who help us schedule our classes around our ridiculous practice and weight training times. We have the ability to go to tutors and seek help.
But so do regular students, they have tutors and academic advisers and mentoring. You don't hear about Steve Perry the non athlete that is a marketing major cheating on his test or giving out answers for an online quiz. Because who cares, if he wants to cheat go ahead, that's on him but the NCAA hold student athlete's to high standards and when you don't follow them, you will get caught and it will become relevant in the media outlets.
Another problem I see is that people don't understand what is incorporated in the student athlete's day. You only hear about the bad things, rarely do you hear about the 8 basketball players that received a 3.0 or higher. Or the 69 football players that have a 3.0 or higher. Being a student athlete is a job, its more than 40 hours a week and then add school on top of it. I'm not saying ohh poor athlete's, no we chose to do that, we knew what it was going to be like.
Its not really the piece of "cake" that many people might think. Wake up at 5am for weights at 530 maybe 6, have breakfast at 715am, in class from 745 or 8 till noon. Grab a quick snack then head to our "NCAA Mandatory" 8 hours a week study hall. Then go to practice at 2 or 3, finish at 5. Go to rehab/trainers room for random injuries or just to chill. Go to your night class which usually are from 6-9. Once that is all done go back to Study Hall for an hour until 10. Then we get to go home and play "NCAA College Football" and get in bed by 11 or 12 and wake up at 5am all over again.
With that being said yes cheating happens and all it takes is 1 or 2 bad apples to make the rest of us athletes look bad. I don't think medical help or a monthly stipend would be a huge deal for the NCAA to grant. They can make rules as to how you get it. Because what happens when Kevin Ware is walking down the street and then bamm he re-breaks that leg. That's going to be a hefty bill as we all heard about, but its not right to say oops you're not associated with our school anymore, so the bill is on you. He broke it while you the school and NCAA made money off of his teams/his play. But now that he isn't playing anymore its all on him. I'm not saying they should pay for the whole thing but at least help a little.
Moral of my rant/post is most of you would be surprised with what 80-90% of athletes would do with that extra stipend. Maybe help our family, or hey maybe even go out and be the "Antone Exum" and help less fortunate people. And again yes there will be some kids that just blow it all away, but for the majority it would help.
And even then he still wouldn't come to Blacksburg
That guy has a chubby for coaching in an urban area. He has a good thing going for him at VCU, and he's already turned down far, far better jobs than what we could offer. He's a pipe dream that we should just forget about.
I can't explain Durkin either, given that.
It feels like its been a while since we've had this kind of talent coming in a recruiting class.
Had a scholarship offer from Alabama and enrolls at VT? That's what I like to hear :)
Why sign Harrison or Ford or McKenzie if you can sign Harrison AND Ford AND McKenzie?
Seriously... We have a HUGE need at WR right now. This should be an easy sell.
"Umm, hey guys... want to play on an offense where you're constantly in single coverage because the defense cannot double anyone without leaving someone else wide open? Wanna catch a lot of TD passes? Then look who we have coming in, and come to us."
Give me...
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12 years 6 months
# | Northwestern Football Players Take Steps to Be Represented by Union yep. agreed
Great comments all of these. I bet AB jumps on this and does an article. The new AD will pay attention. Just shows why TKP is a needed commodity for VT Sports. Keep it up!