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that was weird...
I think the giving back is the subsidies, which are just the operating budget allocation that the athletic department receives from the overall university budget in the first place. The difference in the two links show that the VT is in fact not a self-sufficient entity that gives back more than it receives, which was news to me.
that addresses my biggest fear... that this family man (props to him) had an unhappy family and needed a move for their sake. How they could be unhappy in Blacksburg is beyond me, but I guess maybe it's not for everyone. Did I just blaspheme there?
If the family's truly happy, then the next thing to look at here is pay. Gotta take care of the family financially. Maybe distance from extended family is an issue? Maybe he's unhappy with his work environment? But he'd worked with Loeffler before and I have a hard time seeing him not getting along with Beamer and Co. Ambition? Maybe some combination of those. These are the things that come to mind.
I kid you not - yes, yes there are 'hitching posts' for horses and buggy's. They definitely do not get out much, or welcome new, fresh ideas. Very narrow minded.
It's like every day on my commute I travel back in time... only to return to the real life 8-10 hours later.
...it's like AB is in our heads...
He was also a GA at UNM for a year. (Go Lobos!!)
Isn't all year your busy season?
Correct, he was a graduate assistant at Stanford.
Best way to get tickets is to bring a wad of $20's and be ready to spend them. This is a once in a lifetime game; best make it an early Christmas present to yourself.
I must be missing something, why would WF and Pitt trying to poach B1G school have any bearing on MD breaking their contract with the ACC or why would MD have any right to damages because of that?
Can something translate this? I just don't see how this is a legitimate lawsuit.
USC just lost a coach before one week after being ANNOUNCED as coach. So a year is an eternity.
I believe Moorehead's previous position was unpaid or at least minimally paid, so this is his first full go with full pay and recruiting expectations.
I am wondering what measuring stick you used to come up with these salaries? Does any of this take into account that if we want to fill that empty case in the football center, we likely will have to spend early to see the returns. Get better coaches and recruiters, get better results on the field, get back to selling out games, get higher amounts of donations from Alums.
We are better off circling up than down so doing what it takes to retain quality coaches should be the acting AD's primary focus right now.
One thing I would be interested to see is what the school takes in for memorabilia sales, and what percentage of these sales are attributed to the football program? Most folks buy gear to wear for games and pride, pride in what? I would speculate most its pride in the football team.
This is Moorehead's second coaching gig, as he was an assistant coach(wide receivers) at Stanford for three years before coming here.
The numbers vary year-to-year with projects, payments, etc... That article shows a snapshot of one year I believe.
I did notice looking at the assistant coach salary database that even big name schools often had a very large disparity in assistant pay, often having a handful of assistants with fairly low salaries. VT isn't going to be able to spend the money that some of these schools spend, so it becomes vitally important that the coaches on staff are paid appropriately. With that in mind, let's take a look at our staff:
Foster - It's hard to disagree that Bud earns his money and should get a raise, but I think $600k is the number VT should be looking at. Getting up around $800k starts to stretch the budget too thinly and would be detrimental to the quality of the remaining coaching staff.
Wiles - I'd evaluate fair compensation for Wiles at $300k. Clearly fits with the coaches and defensive system and does a solid job coaching the D-Line. Haven't heard his name come up as being more than a D-Line coach and might be tied to Foster, so upward mobility appears to be limited.
Gray - I think he deserves $350k, but $300k keeps him around for a few years. I'm not sure how paying him more than Wiles would go over due to "time served" among the staff, but Gray almost certainly has a higher career ceiling. I have to imagine that not only do larger schools have their eye on Torrian, but he his pro coaching experience could result in him pursuing that route as well. He has done a phenomenal job with the DBs in addition to being a critically important recruiter in FL and GA.
Grimes - I'd value Grimes at around $350k, and would support going up to $400k. Would that even be enough to keep him at VT? Unfortunately I have my doubts with his SEC background. He greatly improved OL play in a single year and has managed to recruit true o-lineman from all over the map, something that the staff failed at miserably in prior years. I absolutely want to keep Grimes, but I can't help but think it's a matter of time before some team offers him more than we can afford to match.
Loeffler - I'd value him around $350-400k (mostly because I'm not sure you can pay Grimes more than Loeffler). I think Lefty will have VT going in the right direction, but how many schools would be willing to open up the checkbook considering his offensive rankings at Auburn and VT? His success with the new QB recruits will go a long way in telling his story. For now, I think it's a win-win situation for both Loeffler and VT.
Stinespring - I honestly hate saying this, but I would value Stinespring at about $220k. Compare Stinespring's current salary of $312k- and that's after he took a paycut last year- to Chip West, frequently cited as UVA's top recruiter who was largely responsible for their success in the 757, who makes $220k and even the great recruiter card loses a little shine. I'm not opposed to having Coach Stinespring on the staff, but as a TE coach and recruiting specialist his skillset suggests he should be one of our lower paid assistant coaches.
Shane Beamer - I'd prefer to keep him at $216k, but $250k is the most I'd want to pay. The RBs haven't had success under Shane, which could be attributed to the lack of an elite tailback, but also, as French has opined many times throughout the year, the puzzling lack of situational awareness and stubborn adherence to a set rotation is frustrating to say the least. Shane has done a solid job recruiting in central VA and has upside, but it's still early in his career and I'm not sold he's proven as a coach yet.
Brown - Remain at his current salary of $216k. I want to give Brown a chance as it is early in his career and he is still somewhat unproven as a coach and recruiter. Hard to tell what impact he has coaching outside linebackers, a position that has struggled to produce quality players and subsequently hasn't even been used on the field steadily in a couple seasons now.
Moorehead - As this is his first coaching gig, $150k isn't an unreasonable salary. However, let me quickly say that I think within a few years Moorehead could easily deserve closer to $250k. He appeared to do an above average job with a WR group that had issues with talent and experience. From my understanding, he is doing a fantastic job on the recruiting trail at getting us recruits from areas that we've traditionally struggled with (DC and MD).
Larry Johnson, Sr. (the coach discussed on this board) is the father of Larry Johnson, Jr., the former PSU running back.
This is why people often say "Beamer built Virginia Tech" or "Paterno built Penn State". They aren't referring to the football programs, but instead the university as a whole.
Also, unless I'm completely delusional, I'm pretty sure that the VT Football Program, by itself, is making a nice profit. It's the non-profit sports, which includes essentially every sport except for football and basketball, that can bring athletic departments into the red.
That is a change then. I remember a report that showed we were both profitable and giving money back to the school.
Wasn't LJ a former PSU RB?
Do you also have horse and buggy parking spots at work? The kids have been wearing UA for quite some time now. They must not get out much at all haha!
but if your prior employer hired you at much less than your market value, your interviewing was eminently predictable
loyalty should be to your family and those you most care about... an employer hiring you significantly beneath market value??? aaaaah... not so much.
Absolutely, I was just thinking that, when factored properly, Bud's "real" salary leaves some room to increase the pay for other folks on the staff without upsetting any hierarchy. Bottom line though is that VT has to pay more money to more people going forward (significantly more).
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# | Regarding LSU Interviewing Grimes and VT Assistant Salaries Profit and Value are distinctly different though. While VT football (or even athletics) may not be profitable on it's own the value it has brought to the university in terms of recognition and esteem has been vast. Case in point, I came from a small 8000 person town in northern Nevada. My connection to VT was my grandfather and before my junior year of HS I had never even heard of VT. I was big into college football back then as well but in those days it was ND, Miami, FSU, BIG10, USC and Colorado. I had no idea what Hokie football or the university was about. But that's changed now, and as my brother, now an educator, told me some seniors are going into engineering and one of them had applied to VT. Why? because he knew it from football. He ended up choosing a school in CA I believe as he couldn't quite bring himself to go so far from home but before me not a kid in 20 years had gone East of the Rockies to school. let alone to a remote school in Southwest VA.
She kinda painted herself into a corner with those comments (before all this) about leaving all salary issues for the new AD so that she doesn't have everyone coming to her asking for raises like happened the last time she was interim AD. Made sense when she said it, but in hindsight... would have been better to keep that comment to herself and deal with people coming to her. She could always tell them no, talk to the new AD. But a blanket statement gets you into trouble when there needs to be an exception. Handling this kind of thing is the job of the AD, afterall... interim or no.