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My question is, why don't you think we have been using Dyrell on the deep routes? Up until this point, DK seems to be the only guy we send for the long ball. Is this because Dyrell seems to have lost some of his speed or is it more of the fact that they need two possesion recievers (like Danny and Jarrett last year) to impact the passing game. (the other intended possession reciever being MD)
And are you able to analyze why it seems we aren't getting enough pass rush off the Dline alone? As in what seems to be the issues that the boys are having with getting up the field to force mistakes?
That is an outstanding comment regarding procedural penalties. I actually think the Hokies have gotten away with 4-6 illegal motion penalties in 2 games where the WR motion is going forward early before the snap. The popularity of the rocket and jet sweep motion seems to have lessened the restrictions on getting set if moving forward before the snap for every team, not just Virginia Tech.
Of all the things I found troubling, I think that the inability of the OL to just blow people off the ball would be the most, but by the middle of the first quarter, they looked pretty good. Benedict and Gibson were tremendous. Painter and Becton were solid. Center and left guard are the weak links right now.
I would be stunned if Via perhaps didn't get some snaps at left guard, because while he is solid, I think Benedict has far more upside.
Agree w/ the unnecessary fan base angst observation. Two guys behind me were screaming the whole game because Logan didn't "line up under center" and we didn't "run the ball down their throat" and complained every time we were in the pistol because they "hate the shotgun because we can't run from it". (Yes, they called the pistol the shotgun)
VT was sort of damned if they do, damned if they don't in this game... winning 70-0 proves nothing and improves little, but not doing so gets fans all angsty.
I'll admit the DERPY-ness of the offense had me concerned at times, but reading this analysis eases some of that provided it's all building towards something more tight and efficient in a month's time.
If we are ever in the same bar, the first round is on me.
I'm very encouraged by the lack of procedural penalties against this offense thus far. With all the new starters on O, especially along the line, some false starts would be expected. The coaches have this offense ready to play.
Also,I think there should be a compete media blackout for games like this. All they do is get the fan base angst ridden when we aren't up by 50 in the first half. This was a throwaway game, but we refuse to throw it away.
Not a single bomb to Knowles. I really don't think AP had anyone that can run with him. Why not even try it? just chuck it up there and have him run under it ala' Vick to Davis. Vick used to try about 3 of these a game.
We need to get RVD in the game more. Also, Dadi needs to be one of our third down DEs.
This is just what I think. Obvious weapons we have that we just don't utilize. We need that killer instinct.
Agree w dozer on the whole 'is this it' thing. We as a fan base hold our program to a pedestal that it hasn't quite earned yet. Don't get me wrong, we have the potential to get there and I think we should already be there, but big time losses tend to show up as demerits for football programs. I'm proud of everything we've done but recent years prove to be a lot of fluff wins against the acc and terrible losses (and blowouts) in the big, program defining games. I hope LT3, this defense, and our much improved recruiting efforts turn that around and we at least win a bcs game not against cincy, but against a legitimate, top 10 team. The crystal ball is ideal, but at this point in time I'm just wishing for a win in Charlotte and a win in a bcs bowl that can do justice to this '13 class and help improve our program's national image (and Beamer's top 10 record for that matter). I felt this way coming into the season, this isn't anything new. I'm high on constructive criticism when it comes to my Hokies.
Disagree with Joe on the bye thing. It sucks to have two games in five days but I if that's our fate, then I think we did it right this time with AP - peay basically IS a bye. If our bye is week 2, then we have no bye mid season, when it's probably needed more. We just didn't blow them out of the water like we should have because the running game is suspect and LT3 continues to overthrow receivers, and maybe we were a little tired. I'd rather be tired against peay, than jmu.
"even when the struggles are actually based on personnel chemistry and execution issues." - I think that is a testament to bad coaching. Am I wrong? Attention to detail is a big part of successful coaching. It seems that we've lacked that for a while and that needs to improve in order for our offense to improve, regardless of the different formations we try. However, I did like what I saw in the second half as far as play calling goes. We stretched the field with our speed by utilizing misdirection and reverse plays. I'd like to think we ran so many of those plays in bunches like that because we were using austin peay as guinea pigs before we really incorporate them into our offense. If we effectively incorporate those types of plays, they can be very useful in stretching the field and keeping defenses honest. We have speed, use it!
But to sum it all up. I think it's just austin peay and we shouldn't start to panic or have bad memories because we didn't put up 60 on them. We did blow em out 42-7 at the end of the day and there were good things. This is a preseason game pretty much and we played that way. Not happy about the inconsistency and poor play, but all of our problems are fixable. Let's just hope we fix them by Oct 20 and lets leave austin peay to worry about the ohio valley conference.
I was there in 2003 with the MVs and remember how god awful the Pitt fans were before/during/after the game. I also remember what one of the other guys in my section (huge steelers fan) said about the "pitt fans":
"pitt fans are steelers fans who couldn't get steelers season tickets and are bitter as shit about it."
Made a lot of sense.
greg punzo twitter usually has links to all the games
this is the first year i've had it and i gotta say this might get me more into the nfl. it's literally exciting play after exciting play, they flip the channel for you.
genius
I was there in 2003 as well. I will never fully understand how Kevin Jones could have a bazillion yards and we still lose.
Cold as shit. Gameday in Pittsburgh. Then...the no-call pass interference against Justin Hamilton. Screw Pittsburgh. I wish BANE really did sink that garbage stadium into the bowels of the earth.
That said, I'll be there and tailgating my ass off at 8am.
But it was too hilarious not to take advantage of.
it's good that they're teaching kids to hit with their heads up, but in the heat of battle things happen so fast this is the sort of thing that could happen on most plays.
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# | I have never wished more ill will on a football program as I do UMU (Urban Meyer University) Yesterday I heard that "tattoo gate is the best thing that ever happened to this school." I left at the half to go watch the Hokies.
You would think the Shoe would be louder than Lane with 107K people. Nope.
I feel that the Fuller parents should have a special mention in Techs hall of fame!!!!
I remember that game fondly. I was watching it with a buddy at some dirty bowling alley. I couldn't get passed Pat White leaving the game with a trip to the MNC on the line, then coming back into it.
Thanks Wanstache!
I actually never thought the play calling felt inept in this one I thought it was as well called as any game could be when we were purposefully limiting the times LT carried the ball.
Since O'Cain took over the calls I have very few complaints about the play calling. The calls I have then issue with, my composing had been of such a technical nature that it's more like the exception that proves the rule that play calling has improved dramatically under MOC.
The problem is we had to endure such horrible in game strategy for so many years, seeing our offense struggle brings that angst raging to the forefront, even when the struggles are actually based on personnel chemistry and execution issues.
I'm a little worried we've become a jaded fan base, conditioned by the dark ages of 2006-2008 to believe that our offense will always look like a pack of dogs trying to hump a watermelon, that the problem is fundamental, and that our issues on offense cannot be fixed. Any time a drive stalls our reflex is to throw our hands up in disgust and write off the offense and the staff as incompetent. Not because we're assholes, but because we've been programmed to believe it. Frank let it happen for too long before he addressed it, and the offensive overhaul is still in progress.
But if we need reminding that this offense is indeed in a fundamentally better place than it used to be, dig up film of our 2008 game against Furman for comparison.
and you'd be crying.
YAY 50%!!! If I was UVA I would be rushing the field right now!
Again, let me know if transcribed or missed something.
Big Winner this week: Chazz Michael Michaels 6-0
These week's losers at 1-5 were ... ewechtal HokiESQ, StLHokie, vtnerf & zames150
| name | win | loss | total win | total loss | games total | overall % | ||
| Chazz Michael Michaels | 6 | 0 | 10 | 2 | 12 | 83% | ||
| HokieV | 5 | 1 | 9 | 3 | 12 | 75% | ||
| RiVAHokie | 5 | 1 | 9 | 3 | 12 | 75% | ||
| pbowman69 | 5 | 1 | 8 | 4 | 12 | 67% | ||
| TheVirginian | 5 | 1 | 8 | 4 | 12 | 67% | ||
| MiracleWaters | 5 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| weavez22 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| DC-Hokie88 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 67% | ||
| DiRTyHokie | 4 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 12 | 67% | ||
| french60wasp | 4 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 12 | 67% | ||
| BilldozerVT | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| pabooth | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| shakeitallabout | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| SpiderHokie | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| VTColtTXRangers | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| will | 4 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| HokieJoe3 | 4 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| EPHokie | 4 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| TheTurkeyTavern | 4 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| vtcoop | 4 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| atlHOkie | 3 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| RusynHokie | 3 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 12 | 58% | ||
| bco | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| Bodak | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| HokieBarek | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| JMayRed | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||
| joe | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| kburkeVT | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| rabinove | 3 | 3 | 6 | 6 | 12 | 50% | ||
| suckbrickkid | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||
| ko1220vt | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| mikey4vt | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| polish | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| pRoJeCtPaT16 | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| T-Mobile_Servic | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| VTJawo | 3 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| box | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| dwalt88 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| HightyTighty | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| InEnemyTerritory | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| vthokie1965 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| vthokie49 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| JLM-Hokie | 3 | 3 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| brianm11 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| DavidWilsonsWhip | 2 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| hokiecheme | 2 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| HokieFanCPA | 2 | 4 | 5 | 7 | 12 | 42% | ||
| BlameGlennon | 2 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| french60wasp gf | 2 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 33% | ||
| Helo_Hokie | 2 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 33% | ||
| hokiegrad | 2 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| rocco | 2 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| schaef0418 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| Seattle Hokie | 2 | 4 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| Cambro22 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| sparko | 2 | 4 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| jmichons | 2 | 4 | 2 | 10 | 12 | 17% | ||
| ewechtal | 1 | 5 | 4 | 8 | 12 | 33% | ||
| HokiESQ | 1 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| StLHokie | 1 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| vtnerf | 1 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| zames150 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 9 | 12 | 25% | ||
| brooks_akerVT | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||||
| dappindan | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||||
| legalhokie | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||||
| scottbeardVT | 3 | 3 | 6 | 50% | ||||
| Hokie_Wolf | 2 | 4 | 6 | 33% | ||||
| jackal | 2 | 4 | 6 | 33% | ||||
| hokiesupreme | 1 | 5 | 6 | 17% | ||||
| juxtahokie | 1 | 5 | 6 | 17% | ||||
| rhodesrs | 1 | 5 | 6 | 17% | ||||
I'm not panicking about the lack of pop along the O line. Our five starters had played every snap against GT earlier that same week (a decision a questioned at the time) and there was heavy rotation of the 2s against Austin Peay. Tired starters plus backups seeing their first snaps of the season makes for less than optimal explosion off the ball.
I also got a general sense of "take it easy" from the offense. I think you are dead on that the coaches limited LT's carries and I sort the decision. I remember all too well the shoulder stinger he got against Marshall last year, and how it affected his game against Clemson the next week. You have to protect your assets. And I said going into this game, LT's skill set as a runner is a known commodity. We needed multiple looks at all four tailbacks and we got them.
I noticed Stinespring tinkered with the formations this game. Still mostly shotgun, pistol, and I form, but I noticed some offset I, some two RB shotgun, just little tweaks after seeing all three formations remain in their base set against GT. Either way, I'm still digging this three formation offense a lot more than the Frank 'n Stine offense of not too long ago. Just seems a little more streamlined. And I'm really liking the misdirection and counters we're seeing out of all three formations.
Just for some perspective, though, GT pantsed Presbyterian 59-3 on short rest, and they were the team that had to travel.
Davis has gotten at least 3 or 4 deep balls thrown his way, the timing, the route, the throw, or some combination of the three have been off and and he and LT3 haven't been able to hookup. I wish they'd throw more deep balls to Knowles because he's a threat to stretch the field, and he's proven he can make the big catch.
I don't have a good answer for Dyrell, but since having his leg filleted open a couple of years ago, I haven't seen him demonstrate that top-gear on the field. It doesn't help that he missed so much of last season too. Great kid, that's had two very unfortunate breaks (no pun intended) over his career.